Joe Mauer as Joey Votto
2014 was not a normal year for the two Joes. Both Joey Votto and Joe Mauer dealt with fallout from injuries, with Votto not having effective use of his lower half, and Mauer possibly dealing with lingering effects of a concussion sustained in 2013. For both players, the injuries affected overall production when they played, but it was especially acute in the power department for Votto. Joe Mauer, with the exception of one year in which his home run to fly ball ratio was off the charts, never had much power to begin with.
Both Joes still posted wRC+ numbers north of 100 in their playing time in 2014, because that’s what both Joes do, almost without fail. Votto and Mauer are some of the best contact hitters in the game, and that’s what we’re going to focus on today. Yes, they share other traits as well: they’re both 31, left-handed, and they walk a lot, with Votto being a particular master in that category. Maybe they both also have the same type of small dog, or are baritones.
However, by far the most unique shared trait between these two is that they never hit infield fly balls. By “never”, I’m talking about a colloquial form of never — the kind that finds itself in relation to the task of hitting baseballs thrown at high velocities by people who don’t want you to hit them well. Never has a hard time being absolute in that circumstance.
We know that Votto doesn’t hit infield fly balls: it’s been expertly covered a few times here before. He’s popped out in the infield four times in the past four years, exactly once a year. That’s amazing.
Joe Mauer has popped out in the infield twice in the past four years. Is that more amazing than Votto? At this level, the excellence is to a point that it’s hard to judge. But probably, yes, it’s a little more amazing. Between 2011 and 2014, Mauer compiled exactly 2,000 plate appearances, and in just two of them he made out an out to a player standing within the bounds of the infield dirt. Overall, Mauer didn’t have great years in 2011 and 2014 compared to what he usually produces, but that didn’t impact his IFFB%. For posterity, I think we must bear a quick witness to the rare two infield popups who made it into existence.
The first was in 2012, because Joe Mauer went all of 2011 without an infield fly. The fateful day was April 12th, 2012, against an 0-2 Dan Haren cutter with the bases loaded in the third inning:
Mauer took two questionable outside corner strikes to start the at-bat, fouled off another outside fastball, then Haren threw an inside cutter. Mauer did a very un-Mauer thing, taking a weak hack that produced his one and only infield popup of the 2012. On a better day, Joe might’ve fouled that pitch back, but it was the ninth game of the season — perhaps he was still finding his swing. Haren didn’t do as well with a cutter two innings later, and Mauer had his revenge:
The second Mauer infield fly was on May 8th, 2013, when he swung at a 1-2 Ryan Dempster splitter in the sixth inning:
Again, a poor swing, and more evidence that Joe Mauer may perhaps be a human. On a better day, he might get around on this one and line it to right field, as it’s a splitter that hangs up in the happy zone for a left handed hitter. Two innings later, Mauer did a bit better with an inside fastball:
Mauer didn’t have an infield fly ball in 2014, so we can wrap this particular part of the study up. For those keeping score at home, that’s two infield popups, then a home run, double, and four RBI’s in the two plate appearances following the popups. We knew by looking at the raw stats that Joe Mauer doesn’t like hitting infield fly balls, and we now know that he really doesn’t like hitting infield fly balls.
Votto and Mauer are, by far, the players who hit the fewest popups in the majors for the past few years. There are a few players that had a singular year in which they excelled at not popping out – Shin-Soo Choo, for instance, had zero such outs in 2014 – but for players that show a continuous, yearly skill at doing so, they are the only ones.
That got me thinking: is this just a talent these guys have? Is there a magic plate discipline approach that never yields infield fly balls that Votto and Mauer practice? Both of these hitters have great contact skills: we know that in part because they have above-average line drive rates. Beyond great contact, is there something more to it?
First, I’ll set this up by providing a table showing how many infield fly balls Votto and Mauer have hit over the past eight years. You’ll see that Votto really got great at avoiding them completely in 2010, while Mauer dropped his in 2011. Since then, well, they’ve both been pretty good about it:
| Year | Mauer IFFB | Votto IFFB |
|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 1 | 2 |
| 2008 | 6 | 5 |
| 2009 | 2 | 2 |
| 2010 | 4 | 0 |
| 2011 | 0 | 1 |
| 2012 | 1 | 1 |
| 2013 | 1 | 1 |
| 2014 | 0 | 1 |
Then I mapped their plate discipline statistics onto a line graph for those eight years and animated it to see whether there is any noticeable overlap or change corresponding to that table above. Let’s take a look:
Both hitters are off on their own for the first few years, with some tightening starting around 2008 and 2009. Then 2011 comes, and they get noticeably closer, followed by 2o12, when we see eerily similar rates for O-Swing%, Swing%, and Z-Contact%. By 2013 and 2014, Mauer and Votto have extremely similar plate discipline statistics. Is it a coincidence that two hitters who share such a unique skill — that of preventing infield fly balls — would have such strikingly similar plate discipline?
There isn’t an exact set of parameters for plate discipline that cuts out infield fly balls — it might be a part of it, but there’s too much that goes into hitting for that to be the case. Votto and Mauer are some of the finest contact hitters in baseball, and there are a million tiny traits that cause them to be that way. Plate discipline is one of them, and it doesn’t surprise me that they’re very similar in that way. What’s amazing is just how similar they are in some of the measures. In a way, you could even say Votto is Mauer, and Mauer is Votto.
Owen Watson writes for FanGraphs and The Hardball Times. Follow him on Twitter @ohwatson.





They’re also both reviled by a certain segment of morons within their own fan bases because they’re not aggressive enough and always clogging up the bases. Are we sure they’re not the same person?
If there is a rain delay someone will inevitably call in to complain about Votto. Something like, “He USED to hit home runs!” or “But he plays FIRST!” or my personal favorite, “I know he’s got his own approach, but he just LOOKS like he should be a slugger.” Like a parent trying to cure their kid’s autism.
Mauer also is Votto, and vice versa, in how the more “traditional” parts of their teams’ fan bases feel about them.
Mauer is Votto… Votto is Mauer … Mauer is a Red!
Or Votto is a Twin. Or a twin.
These graphs should not be line graphs. Bar graphs would be much more appropriate. Line graphs imply that x-axis values are progressive in time, which makes these graphs much, much harder to decipher.
You may infer that the x-axis of line graphs is time, but there is no implication that this is the case. The graph has an axis that says what it is showing.
His point about line graphs is still correct. The line connecting points implies the values between the actualy values have, well, value.
That’s not really the point though. The lines (visually) imply some sort of relation; it doesn’t need to be time. In the art of data visualization, it is important that the story the graph is trying to tell is relatively straight forward just from looking at it. I don’t think that is true in this case
Unrelated, but there are other issues. First, the order is a little odd. Why is Swing% not next to Contact% like the O- and Z- versions are?
Also, the ‘time’ dimension is just annoying. By using a bar plot, you could easily just do a side-by-side bar plot that accounts for changes in year.
Yes, it’s a flaw, but everybody clearly understood the point the author was trying to make well enough to critique it so… I’m a little confused why people can’t be a little nicer about it? 🙁
Because without criticism the world would be full of bronze medalists.
Mechanically their swing path through the strike zone is fairly similar. Mauer has always been more concerned with creating contact than Votto, while Votto used to care more about driving the ball. I am pretty sure Votto has switched his goals now to getting on base as injuries have taken their toll on his power. In their heydays as great players both had opposite field power to the left field gap.
I also walk and make contact. Though my batted ball profile is perhaps more disposed towards these types of outs.
I know you guys are pushing to do more visuals and just brought on a guy to help with that. But your choice select for charts needs some work. A line graph is completely inappropriate for categorical data such as these. A line is there to show continuity and emphasize change between sequential observations. That’s why we see them used in histograms, where time is on the x-axis. But the salient information here is the comparison between the two points for each variable. The “ink” connecting the dots conveys no real information while distracting from the relevant content.
I appreciate the effort for include more charts and graphs in your articles. But this is the 3rd or 4th time in the last week you’ve published a visual with a very basic design flaw that detracted from its interpretation. Kudos on your push to utilize visualization, but please develop a more rigorous editing process to ensure the visualizations are following at least the basic tenets design.
Lines or bars really don’t make a difference. The biggest problem with these graphs is that they have no baseline. Is their similarity unique or are the characteristics plotted just as similar to everyone else in the league. In other words, without some type of league average to compare to, the graphs really offer no elightment at all.
My name is Votto, and I like to get Blotto.
Oh yeah? My name is Chuck and…
itd be nice to add a baseline lg avg to this line graph
You mentioned Shin-Soo Choo and while he is not comparable in skill to Votto or Mauer he is comparable in plate discipline.
Are you saying that Mauer and Votto are Twins? If that is so do all players on the twins have twins? hmmmmmm mind explodes!
“Oh, ‘the two Joes’? There is just two, is there? (shakes his damn head)”
-Joe Wendle, definitely
Since the nit-pickers are piling on (and while I agree the charts should have been better, I also think people should be nicer about their criticism):
I get what you’re saying here, and it’s clear in the context of the article… However, while I haven’t actually looked at the data, I suspect players standing within the bounds of the infield dirt made quite a few more outs against Mauer than that — the ball just found that same dirt (or the grass) before it found their gloves. (There even may have been a few screaming line drives that got snagged before they reached the outfield).