Joey Gallo on Strikeouts

It’s only been 35 major-league plate appearances, but Joey Gallo has already made quite the impression. The ball doesn’t fly off the bat any faster than it does off his, and he’s also second in the big leagues in three-true-outcome percentage (K%+BB%+HR%) — he’s a slugger’s slugger.

He’s also second in the big leagues in strikeout rate. “I’ve tried to cut down on them,” Gallo sighed when I asked. “I’ve tried. I promise.”

So we talked about the strikeouts, and what he can do about them, and why they have happened, and why they will continue to happen.

He made an adjustment once before, from 2013 to 2014. His strikeout rate plummeted from 37% to 33% that year. Part of it was just getting used to professional baseball. “2013 was my first full season,” Gallo told me before a game with the Athletics. “There was a lot going on other than just baseball, and it’s tough for a young kid. Kinda matured a little bit, got some experience under my belt and played some more games and things started to come together.”

But there was a specific change too. “I was moving my hands a little bit too much and had a pretty big hitch that was usually a little off time with the pitches and that would make me late on everything. That made it a lot tougher to hit,” Gallo admitted. “Calmed that down, and made things more simple — which is tough when you’re big — but we tried to make things as simple as possible.”

Take a look at video of Gallo in 2013 (first) against his work in the big leagues (below that), and maybe you’ll see it. Is his first move with his hands down instead of back? You’ll also see how big he is.

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The big-league strike zone itself is very different than the minor-league one. “The zone is a lot bigger in the minor leagues,” Gallo said. “You have to be smart up here, sometimes you’ll see a pitch that instinctively you think will be a strike because you’re so used to that being called that way, and it’s called a ball here.” The powerful Ranger was not surprised to hear that players generally swing less as they get used to the league — big-league umps have professional zones.

Still. In the minor leagues, Gallo struck out swinging six times for every time he struck out looking according to Minor League Central. So far in the big leagues, he’s struck out swinging nine times, and looking four times. So it’s not all about the zone behind him, it’s also about the pitches he’s decided not to swing at, and are called strikes.

That might just be the player dealing with how great the stuff is in the big leagues. “Recognizing pitches with more movement and velocity,” Gallo pointed out as a struggle. “Sometimes I’ll see what looks like a fastball on the outside and it breaks down the middle — that was a slider! I haven’t seen that pitch before.” He’s confident that seeing the league more often will help.

One thing that will never change about Gallo — other than his size — is that he will see different pitches than batters with less power. “At the end of the day, when you’re big and you can hit for power, you’re going to get pitched differently, as well,” Gallo said. “I’m not really getting 3-1 candies down the middle or 3-2 fastballs down the middle. They’re not going to risk making a mistake to a guy who can hit for power.”

This is why the percentage of balls you see in the zone goes down the more power you show. Called strikes also go down when mapped against power. And, maybe most importantly to Gallo, the number of fastballs you see goes down the more power you show.

In his first game, Gallo saw nine fastballs out of 21 pitches — already lower than the league average (58%) — but after he debuted so well, things changed. In his second game, he saw one fastball against 12 breaking balls and a changeup. “Yeah, they stopped throwing me fastballs,” Gallo laughed. “I didn’t expect that. They’d say ‘this guy throws a lot of fastballs, he’ll go at you,’ and then I saw five straight soft pitches. Throws 98 mph and I’m not going to see it.” Yeah, that’s what happens when you see Chris Sale for the first time and the book is already out on you.

Things have calmed… a bit. Gallo still sees fewer fastballs than anyone in the big leagues right now. “Now I have to make adjustments to their adjustments, that’s what I’m in the middle of right now,” agreed Gallo.

The difficulty, especially for a guy that will always have some swing and miss in his game, is that you want to be active enough to swing at the right pitches and not just see your looking strikeouts skyrocket as you try to be more selective. “You still want to be aggressive,” agreed Gallo. And that will have to be a personal journey, finding that tension between aggression and selectivity, because there’s little relationship between swing percentage and power. The top 10% of power hitters this year have the same swing percentage (47%) as the league average.

The good thing for Gallo is that when he makes contact, he hits it harder than anyone right now. The bad news is that only one batter makes less contact than Gallo right now. Gallo laughed when he heard the news. “I just need make contact a little more often!”

That’s not as simple as it sounds, of course. And he knows it. “Strikeouts are always going to be there, unfortunately,” Gallo said, even as he turned to get ready for that night’s game.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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Drew
11 years ago

“The zone is a lot bigger in the minor leagues,”

Surprised anyone hits .300 down there, then.

Also, umps ruin everything.

Joe
11 years ago
Reply to  Drew

The minor league parks don’t even have PitchFX yet; we’re even further from electronic balls-n-strikes. It would be nice if MLB experimented with that in AAA to work out the kinks, but unless the league steps up and pays for the equipment, it’s not happening in my lifetime.

Bryan Cole
11 years ago
Reply to  Joe

Actually PITCHf/x is in 40 minor-league ballparks, according to this, but obviously the data are kept secret.

TheUncool
11 years ago
Reply to  Drew

But that’s why every MiLB pitcher doesn’t also make it in the MLB…

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  Drew

Also, umps ruin everything.

Made my week. Thanks.

Rational Fan
11 years ago

Nice to know you don’t have high expectations.

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

When things go wrong that is what I mutter to myself.

It is true in baseball but not in my life…

Jetsy Extrano
11 years ago
Reply to  Drew

Yeah, that was a really interesting detail.

That should show up as a pretty big boost for hitters promoted to the majors, *relative* to a penalty for pitchers promoted from the same level.

I see published translation factors for whole leagues, but don’t see where to find hit/pitch breakdown. Hm.

Well, two teammates, don’t play in identical environment but close —
Jesus Montero hit actual EqA .299, translated to .277: 0.93 factor.
Sam Gaviglio’s “luck-free ERA” is actual 4.30, translated 4.91: 0.88 factor.

A 6% factor between hitter and pitcher translations, that’s not trivial. Is that real? Is it well known?

Jetsy Extrano
11 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

This would imply different translations for different types of hitters and pitchers, too.

A high-stuff pitcher who can survive better in middle of the zone, versus a low-stuff pitcher who has to stay away and relies on the corners being farther away.

A bad-ball hitter who can tolerate swinging at the edges of the larger zone, versus a hitter who can identify and kill a centered pitch.

Stuck in a Slump
11 years ago

This is awesome! Gallo is already one of my favorite player due to the extremes in which he opperates as a hitter. BTW, 70% hard contact?! Sweet Jebus!

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago

Ima guess that his .533 babip and 70% won’t last too long. There isn’t a hitter alive that can make a >40% K rate work.

a eskpert
11 years ago

Add 10% strikeouts to Stanton’s Line with the Same Wobacon and he’s still an above average hitter.

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago
Reply to  a eskpert

Please show your math, not sure I follow you.

Lee TrocinskiMember since 2016
11 years ago

You can look at Gallo’s ZiPS projection for the rest of this year. He’s at a 42.2% K rate, but a 102 wRC+. That’s with a .318 BABIP and about a 30% HR/FB rate, which are quite plausible. It’s not great, but I would call that “working”.

jdbolickMember since 2024
11 years ago

In the last decade there have been only five qualified seasons with a HR/FB% of 30% or higher (three by Ryan Howard, one each by Jack Cust and Travis Hafner) and only twenty-eight qualified seasons of 25% or higher. It’s not an easy thing to achieve, even for someone with 70 raw power.

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago

Sorry don’t buy it, Carter and Sousa are at 35% and are struggling around the Mendoza line. Its just not going to play.

Lee TrocinskiMember since 2016
11 years ago

I didn’t say easy, I said plausible. Looking closer, it’s 16 HR in 133 batted balls. If you give him a 45% FB rate, that’s about 60 FB, or a 26.7% HR/FB rate, which is even more realistic, especially for a raw 80 power guy.

Lee TrocinskiMember since 2016
11 years ago

Carter is right at a 100 wRC+, while Souza is at 113 wRC+, and both has positive WPAs. Carter’s HR/FB rate is only 18%, while Souza is hitting 47% groundballs, so Gallo should be better than both of them. It’s not ideal, but it can work.

Akalhar
11 years ago

Wait? 70 raw power? Gallo has 80 raw.

tz
11 years ago

I guess we can say the Mike Leake has been the Joey Gallo of pitchers’ hitting lol.

pihc
11 years ago

Gallo? Did I say Gallo? I meant Callo. I’m Joey Callo.

Paul
11 years ago
Reply to  pihc

I’m sorry, but this isn’t funny as the 88th time the joke has been used for 88 Joey Gallo articles.

I once posted as Ruben Amaro Jr.
11 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Completely agree.

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago

Eno, I dig what you are doing. You are killing it with these articles. But I really missed a para or two on historical comps. Who else has tried to skin the cat this way and with what success ?

Stuck in a Slump
11 years ago

My comment above alludes to it a bit, but there really hasn’t been anyone that happens to be a good fit for Gallo’s MiLB profile. There are some similar, but Gallo has been more extreme in his BB%, K%, and power than anyone else who has made the transition. There have been whole articles about how we really have no good reference points for what Gallo has done to see what he might do.

My best guess though? Chris Davis over the past 2 years might be a good comp.

Akalhar
11 years ago

I think Gallo is really unique.

There have been quite a few done before he came up to the majors about how different/strange and unique he was. Comps usually don’t work very well, and for a player like Gallo, it is really limited.

John Thacker
11 years ago

Pedro Cerrano from Major League is right now his closest comp.

Stuck in a Slump
11 years ago
Reply to  John Thacker

I wonder how many chickens (or buckets of KFC) Gallo had to sacrifice for his .533 BABIP.

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago

Chris Davis’s career AAA K % is around 23, its not really close. Gallo seems to be his own type of animal as guys that K as much as he does really aren’t considered prospects very often. Early career Rob Deer seems like the best comp and we managed 14 wins with that over 30% rate in a time when K rates were lower league wide.

Ken Griffey, Jr.
11 years ago

Hey, don’t rule out his size changing.

RandomRanger
11 years ago

Gallo is going to change the formula of what a viable K-rate can look like in the MLB. Joey will perpetually feature a high BABIP because of supreme velocity. His fly balls are usually homers. His line drives and grounders are rockets, permitting little response time for fielders, making their effectual range negligible. His homer rate will be top-3 and his walk rate quite good. Even at a K-rate of 35-40% he will make it work where no one could before.

ex-BBTiA
11 years ago
Reply to  RandomRanger

But what about Matt Harrison?