Joey Votto’s Career Is a Banger of a Story

On Wednesday, Joey Votto officially announced his retirement from a major league career that spanned parts of 17 seasons, all with the Cincinnati Reds. He hit free agency for the first time last winter before signing a minor league contract with the Toronto Blue Jays, his hometown team. During his first spring training game with Toronto, he stepped on a bat and twisted his ankle, and it took him until June to get back into games. He eventually reached Triple-A at the start of this month but struggled there, hitting .143/.275/.214 with 22 strikeouts in 51 plate appearances with Buffalo.
“Toronto + Canada, I wanted to play in front of you,” Votto wrote on Instagram. “Sigh, I tried with all my heart to play for my people. I’m just not good anymore. Thank you for all the support during my attempt.”
“Anymore” is the key word there, because for the bulk of his career, Joey Votto banged. He retires with a .294/.409/.511 slash line, a 145 wRC+, 58.8 WAR, 356 home runs, and 2,135 hits. He made six All-Star teams, won the NL MVP award in 2010, and ranks 40th all-time in career MVP shares at 3.08.
I will be very surprised if Votto isn’t inducted into the Hall of Fame fairly quickly after he debuts on the ballot in four years. (He didn’t play in the majors this season, so for the purposes of eligibility, he retired after 2023.) Assuming he does, he’ll mainly get in on the basis of his tangible career accomplishments, with no controversy to counterbalance. My vote for him, so long as I haven’t prematurely shuffled off to eternity, will be based on his accomplishments as a player, but when it comes to Votto, his legacy is more than just his on-field performance.
As a baseball player, Votto was very much a 21st-century slugger, rather than the classic power hitter archetype. A phenomenally disciplined hitter, Votto swung at just 19% of pitches thrown to him outside the strike zone from 2012 to ’20 (using the Sports Info Solution data), second only to Alex Avila. It’s no coincidence that Votto was one of the most disciplined hitters around; you would be hard-pressed to find someone who doesn’t think of Votto as one of the game’s most thoughtful people. Whether hanging out at chess clubs, learning Spanish just to communicate better with teammates, or using his Players’ Weekend nickname to pay tribute to Canadian soldiers who died in World War I — by way of Canadian poet John McCrae’s famous poem, “In Flanders Fields” — he was always interesting, in the best possible way. Votto was a constant tinkerer of his swing and his approach at the plate, and when his career was on the definite downslope, he took the bold step of becoming more aggressive at the plate, a pretty big change for a player in his late 30s, squeezing out one last great offensive season in 2021 (36 homers, 140 wRC+).
Votto also spoke out about his experiences with grief and anxiety, back in 2009, when it was taboo for an athlete to talk publicly about their mental health. As Julie Kliegman reported in her recent book, Mind Game: An Inside Look at the Mental Health Playbook of Elite Athletes, players today are more open about their struggles with mental illness and more willing to seek the help that they need than they were 10-15 years ago; that’s because of stars like Votto and Zack Greinke, among others from across the sports landscape, who came forward at a time when mental-health conversations in sports were rare. This kind of thing has always resonated with me because my dad was severely psychologically affected by his experiences in Vietnam, and rather than being able to accept assistance — no matter how often and vigorously it was offered to him — he spent 25 years trying to drink away his memories, which he managed to do permanently in 1997. I’ll always have a very soft spot for someone who speaks up so that others can get help.
It’s bittersweet when a beloved player retires. It represents a sudden change in a player’s life, but also in ours. Suddenly, athletes have to accept that they will never again do the thing that they were best at doing for so long, and we realize we’ll never get to watch them do it again, either. As was the case with Buster Posey, Votto’s retirement hit me harder than I expected it would. There’s a real feeling of mortality when people you were writing about as young players are now old (in baseball terms) and out of baseball.
Okay, that’s enough sentimentality for this stathead; back to Votto’s career and Hall of Fame profile. Let’s look at his career numbers and see how they compare to other first basemen. Classifying players by position is never neat, but for the purposes of this piece, any player who appears on Jay Jaffe’s First Base JAWS leaders list will be considered a first baseman. However, I’ve removed any data from before 1901, simply because professional baseball in the 1800s was as much carnival sideshow as competitive sport. You could argue for a later – or even much later – starting point, but this deep into an article about Joey Votto isn’t the best place to have that fight.
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | WAR | H | HR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lou Gehrig | .340 | .447 | .632 | 171 | 115.9 | 2721 | 493 |
| Jimmie Foxx | .325 | .428 | .609 | 156 | 101.4 | 2646 | 534 |
| Albert Pujols | .296 | .374 | .544 | 141 | 89.9 | 3384 | 703 |
| Jeff Bagwell | .297 | .408 | .540 | 149 | 80.2 | 2314 | 449 |
| Eddie Murray | .287 | .359 | .476 | 127 | 72.0 | 3255 | 504 |
| Frank Thomas | .301 | .419 | .555 | 154 | 72.0 | 2468 | 521 |
| Rafael Palmeiro | .288 | .371 | .515 | 130 | 70.0 | 3020 | 569 |
| Jim Thome | .276 | .402 | .550 | 145 | 69.0 | 2328 | 612 |
| Miguel Cabrera | .306 | .382 | .518 | 139 | 68.7 | 3174 | 511 |
| Johnny Mize | .312 | .397 | .562 | 155 | 68.1 | 2011 | 359 |
| Willie McCovey | .270 | .374 | .515 | 145 | 67.4 | 2211 | 521 |
| Mark McGwire | .263 | .394 | .588 | 157 | 66.3 | 1626 | 583 |
| Joe Torre | .297 | .365 | .452 | 129 | 62.3 | 2342 | 252 |
| Freddie Freeman | .301 | .388 | .513 | 142 | 60.7 | 2241 | 338 |
| Hank Greenberg | .313 | .412 | .605 | 153 | 60.6 | 1628 | 331 |
| Keith Hernandez | .296 | .384 | .436 | 131 | 59.4 | 2182 | 162 |
| Tony Perez | .279 | .341 | .463 | 121 | 58.9 | 2732 | 379 |
| Joey Votto | .294 | .409 | .511 | 145 | 58.8 | 2135 | 356 |
| John Olerud | .295 | .398 | .465 | 130 | 57.3 | 2239 | 255 |
| Bill Terry | .341 | .393 | .506 | 136 | 57.2 | 2193 | 154 |
| Fred McGriff | .284 | .377 | .509 | 134 | 56.9 | 2490 | 493 |
| Paul Goldschmidt | .288 | .382 | .510 | 139 | 55.6 | 2018 | 359 |
| Todd Helton | .316 | .414 | .539 | 132 | 54.9 | 2519 | 369 |
| Norm Cash | .271 | .374 | .488 | 139 | 54.6 | 1820 | 377 |
| George Sisler | .340 | .379 | .468 | 122 | 52.1 | 2812 | 102 |
| Will Clark | .303 | .384 | .497 | 136 | 52.0 | 2176 | 284 |
| Orlando Cepeda | .297 | .350 | .499 | 131 | 50.3 | 2351 | 379 |
| Jason Giambi | .277 | .399 | .516 | 140 | 49.8 | 2010 | 440 |
| Ed Konetchy | .281 | .346 | .403 | 119 | 49.3 | 2150 | 74 |
| George Burns | .307 | .354 | .429 | 118 | 45.9 | 2018 | 72 |
By career WAR alone, Votto’s résumé isn’t that overwhelming, and it doesn’t help his case that he has just over 2,000 hits and fewer than 400 homers at an offense-first position, but one has to take peak performance and career length into consideration. I’m a big believer in looking at peak value — how good they are at their best over an extended period, divorced from the bulk counting stats at the start and end of their careers — so long as we’re talking about a peak that’s beyond just a couple of years. I think Aaron Judge is a Hall of Famer right now, and had I been a voter at the time, I would have cast my vote for Johan Santana. I’m also not positive that Félix Hernández shouldn’t be a Hall of Famer. It isn’t a flaw in the data that Jack Morris has more career WAR than Sandy Koufax, but if you’re using WAR to make the case that Morris was just as good as or better than Koufax, the flaw is how you’re using the tool.
The Hall is about greatness, so I tend to prefer measures that include a peak run — such as WAR7 — and/or focus on wins above average rather than replacement. The table above is sorted by our version of WAR, but for the rest of this piece, I’m going to use Baseball Reference’s WAR, which ranks Votto slightly higher (64.5, 11th) than ours does, because that’s what Jay uses for JAWS. I am also using Baseball Reference’s wins above average to keep things consistent. Excluding anything that happened before 1901, Votto ranks seventh at the position in both WAA (37.7) and WAR7 (46.9) and ninth in JAWS (55.7). Except for those who were busted for performance enhancing drug use, all of the Hall of Fame-eligible players who rank in the top 15 by First Base JAWS have been inducted. Simply, Votto belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Votto’s fairly rapid decline kept him from gaudier WAR numbers. After a big drop-off in his power in 2018, his age 34 season, his resurgent 2021 campaign was a real outlier. But as Orson Welles once said, in one of my favorite quotes – and my desired epitaph – if you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop the story. Yes, many of us wanted another chapter, but Joey Votto’s career amounts to a banger of a story.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Amazing career and super interesting guy. Dear fox please fire John Smoltz and hire Joey Votto to replace him.
I fully support this idea. Smoltz likes to hear the sound of his own voice, which is bad considering how frequently he is wrong.
Votto would be amazing, but I would prefer an inanimate carbon rod to John Smoltz on a baseball broadcast
Fortunately, I’m certain Joey Votto could buy one of those to join him in the booth. He made a fair amount of money in his career, certainly enough to buy some coal and a lathe.
Feel like “and” would be a better conjunction than “but,” in this situation!
IN ROD WE TRUST
I would actually watch national broadcasts if Votto was in the booth!
Excellent, Dan — especially when you write about the mental part.
Nice book rec. Once I read it, let’s chat about it in your weekly chat that you didn’t do today, Daniel! I had to work instead, dammit!!
Joey Votto is gone. (From baseball.)
Joey Moppo is here. (To fight crime and clean up messes.)
Absolute legend. Hopefully his next two stops are a permanent role as a national broadcaster, and then Cooperstown.
I always thought of Goldschmidt and Freeman as comps for each other, but Freeman has continued to mash as Goldschmidt seems to be winding down. Now Votto/Goldschmidt seems like a lot better pairing.
Votto: 8,746 PA, 64.5 WAR, 46.9 WAR7, 356 HR, 1,144 RBI, .294/.409/.511, 144 OPS+
Goldy: 8,160 PA, 61.8 WAR, 45.0 WAR7, 359 HR, 1,171 RBI, .288/.382/.510, 139 OPS+
Hopefully HOF voters are willing to look past the low HR/RBI totals and put them both in.
Maybe this is wishful thinking on my part, but considering how the game has moved away from the RBI as a relevant measure of offense, I would think in another 5+ years HOF voters will have to
Wish granted. Instead, they now look at OPSBIs
If Helton goes in it’s going to be super hard to vote against Votto who was considered a big star for a long time and has more WAR. To me Votto is definitely the superior player. Not sure what is going to happen to Goldschmidt now. I think he’s got a similar case to Helton but he doesn’t have the same reputation as Votto because he wasn’t as feared a hitter (and people don’t know how to value his baserunning).
Who says Goldschmidt wasn’t as feared of a hitter as Votto during their primes?! I certainly thought so. From 2013-2017, those two were very easily the next best 1B hitters after Cabrera.
I don’t think that is widely shared. If you took all of their seasons and ordered them by wRC+ the top 10 would go Votto, Goldschmidt, Votto, Votto and Goldschmidt (a tie), Votto, Votto, Goldschmidt, Votto, and Votto. The reason they are so close in WAR (and peak value) is because Goldschmidt was more well rounded, playing excellent defense at first base and running the bases well.
Single season wRC+ Votto vs. Goldschmidt (450+ PA)
170~179: 2 vs. 1
160~169: 1 vs. 1
150~159: 4 vs. 2
140~149: 1 vs. 2
There is a decent bit of gap between their bats.
wRC+ until age 36
Votto 149 vs. Goldschmidt 138
Although Votto somehow having zero silver sluggers might have led to a different impression.
He was robbed in 2016 (Rizzo) and 2017 (Goldschmidt) while losing what should have been a close race in 2010 (Pujols), 2011 (Fielder), and 2015 (Goldschmidt).
And if there was year when a player who did not have enough PAs to qualify deserved to win a silver slugger, it was 2012 when LaRoche won with OPS .853 while Votto had OPS 1.041 in 475PA.
Joey Votto not ever winning a Silver Slugger is just one of those things that happens because it’s easy to overlook the Reds, much like Aaron Harang not getting a single vote for Cy Young in 2006 – not necessarily saying he should’ve won, but it was silly he didn’t get any support with the season he had. These things happen.
We will not stand for this Aaron Harang erasure
I mean, Goldy is Helton with fun Stolen Base factoids and without Coors.
Not to mention the cop on to call a damn cab.
If? Helton is in.
Goldy is marching backwards. And, while he seems to be inoffensive, he is no Votto when it comes to journalistic opinion. I would imagine Votto will do better in Hall voting than Goldy.
Goldy and Helton are a rounding error on JAWS…and Goldy’s counting stats don’t get a Coors discount from everyone else.
He’s safe.
…but Votto’s deservedly ahead of him.
Baseball is better for having had him and the selfish part of me wants him to stick around in broadcasting… but it seems like he wants a quiet, normal life going forward. At least that’s what I got from his interview today. He’s going back to school to finish his Spanish degree and spoke fondly about spending time with family.
He has talked about wanting to coach too. I think he would probably be very good at it, and the Spanish language learning is the sort of thing that would be helpful working with young guys in the minor leagues whose English isn’t so well developed. In any case, he’s a really good candidate for any number of roles going forward. I hope it’s not the last we see of him in baseball.
Appreciate your using WAR7 in your eval. To be less precise with a statistic like that — I think(?) WAR7 refers to a player’s seven most productive years, not their best seven-year stretch, so forgive me if I’m off there — Votto’s eight-year run from 2010 through 2017 was historically noteworthy for both sabermetrics and counting/traditional metrics types. If you exclude his injury-shorted and -hampered 2014 — he put up a typical .292/.453/.483 triple slash in his only fully “healthy” month before a nagging quad injury affected and ultimately ended his season — he hit .324, .309, .337, .305, .314, .326, and .320 in consecutive years … as a dude with league-best plate discipline … **and top-of-the-table power**. In 2010, he was 5th in MLB in average — and 4th in ISO. In 2011, 10th/32nd; in 2012, 1st/21st (he narrowly missed qualifying for the batting title because of injury); in 2013, 16th/43rd as a “down year;” in 2015, 9th/20th; in 2016, 4th/36th; in 2017, 6th/18th. Because the differences between the guy who finished 10th and the one who finished 25th in some ratio or average can be pretty tiny, another way of thinking about Votto’s hit-power combo is to count the number of years in which he batted at least .300 and posted an isolated slugging percentage of at least .200. It’s seven (again, if you’re willing to count 2012, when he had 475 PA and easily cleared both marks with .337/.230). That puts him on the same line as Junior and George Brett; ahead of contemporary greats such as Papi (six seasons) and even Trout (five); and behind a list of just 25 names, each of which is pretty predictable. From this perspective, Votto counts among his peers Pujols and Miggy — which doesn’t detract from the more modern perspective of his being an on-base machine in a time of rising K rates, the ultimate zig to the league’s zag. I listened to Marty Brennaman grouch about Votto’s plate approach for years. But if critics like him looked at the record, it turns out Votto resembles a Hall of Famer in the book of things Marty Brennaman prioritizes and in the book of things Bill James prioritizes.
Joey Votto seems like a thoughtful and highly intelligent person. I would vote for him for president in November. Yes, I know that he is Canadian.
I would Vote for Votto for literally anything: HOF, Union rep, any higher office (he could be a Governor/Senator!)
This might be overkill, but I’m sure we could dig up some old colonial-era claim to Ontario if we wanted to annex it by November so he can run a mail-in campaign.
I’m pretty sure any U.S. claim to Ontario was explicitly lost in the treaty ending the War of 1812.
You cannot put Joey Votto in the HOF if you do not put Keith Hernandez in first. Exceedingly similar careers, and Keith did more with less. Joey Votto an MVP, Mr. Hernandez an MVP, Keith more walks than strikeouts for a career, Votto 300 more strikeouts than walks. Keith a 200 hit season, none for Votto. Keith 11 GGs, only one for Votto, Keith 2 World series, none for Votto, 6 time all star for Votto, 5 for Hernandez, but Hernandez captured a batting title and Votto never did, plus 2 silver sluggers for Hernandez and none for Votto, AND they both played 13 years worth of games, out of a “17” year career.
Votto
Hits, 2135
HR 356
XBH 837
Runs, 1171
RBI, 1144
SO 1365
BB 1640
SB 29
Hernandez
Hits 2182
HR 162
XBH 648
Runs 1124
RBI 1071
SO 1012
BB 1070
SB 98
I will cry if Votto gets in before Keith Hernandez. Its criminal Keith Hernandez is not in the HOF.
Keith Hernandez belongs in the Hall.
JAWS has Votto next to Miggy Cabrera and Keith next to John Olerud.
Those placements are appropriate.
I know the OP was downvoted & some of the use of statistics is out of line for Fangraphs, but, I too think Keith should be in. Best fielding 1B ever. Short on power, but, he also walked a bunch so he was a good hitter. His peak on JAWS is 41.2, which usually gets someone in.
Plus, he should get bonus points for being in a Top 5 Seinfeld episode.
Keith Hernandez being in the hall isn’t a hot take. Trying to compare him to Votto as a hitter is just dumb, though. The difference between them is stark and obvious. Hernandez had better defense and was still a very good hitter, but Votto outstrips him completely in the latter regard. Nobody should honestly think that Hernandez was on Votto’s level as a hitter. Even with the cookie-cutter stats presented above, Votto is clearly superior.
Sure, the statistics he used show exactly why Votto will get in on the writers’ ballot, while Keith didn’t:
Same amount of hits, while Votto had 200 more HR and 600 more BB.
people did not read what I wrote. I also said keith did more with less
Hernandez is a perfectly good candidate. But there’s no reason Votto needs to wait for him. Either would be a better choice than Fred McGriff was. For that matter so would Olerud.
Hell, Bagwell was well on his way to the same fate as Hernandez and Olerud until he started working out with Ken Caminiti.
Sure looked like it.
Yet Votto has tons more HRs, XBH, and Walks and I assume a much higher wRC+ and Offensive WAR to make up for the defensive difference between them.
Although, I do agree that Hernandez also deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
You picked out some stats and pieces that support Hernandez over Votto. Now in the interest of a complete analysis, do the pieces where Votto is superior. Just a sampling:
More than *twice as many* HR
Nearly 200 more XBH
16-point difference in OPS+
14-point difference in wRC+
29-point difference in wOBA
75-point advantage in SLG
One is 99th in career WAR, one is 187th
One is 42nd in career WPA, one is 102nd
I’m not saying Hernandez wasn’t good. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve HOF consideration. I am saying you have to present all facets of an argument, even those that don’t support your position, to be considered a fair and complete analysis.
you did not read what I wrote, none of you did that responded to my thread. I did say Keith Hernandez DID MORE WITH LESS
We know you said that. But the batting stats show that Joey Votto did a heckuva lot more hitting than Keith Hernandez. I honestly don’t know what you mean by “did more with less”. That’s usually said about scrappy players where their production is much better than their perceived talent.
David Eckstein for the HOF. That scrappy fella really did more with less.
In Flanders Fields is the most suitable antidote to military appreciation week. Votto is a
nationalCommonwealth treasure.He is a national treasure too, just not a US treasure xD
A dual citizen, Votto is now officially a bi-national treasure!
Beautifully written.
God, this is a beautifully-written piece. Thanks.
if we zero out negative numbers the B-Ref WAA is 41.5. To me that’s an easy HOF. Tony Perez is 26.4. I’d say that’s a better indicator of their respective career values than their similar career WAR
Man. As a Pirates’ fan living in Dayton from 2011-2015 I “HATED” Joey Votto but what a player and what a guy. Your sentimentality was right on target! This sucks!!
I know it’s a long time ago now, but sorry about your Dad, Dan.
This was an outstanding piece. I will miss Votto most dearly. I am sorry about your father. Thank you for your excellent writing, analysis, and heart.
Wonderful, heartfelt writing with the cogent analysis we’ve come to expect from you, Dan. As a Cubs fan, I dreaded every Votto AB against my team, but he’s clearly a good, interesting person. I wish him nothing but the best in his retirement.
Just came to share my favorite Votto stat about his hitting with RISP since it was a criticism of him.
With a minimum of 1500 career PA with RISP, Votto ranks ALL TIME
12th in SLG
And for he walked too much crowd, when you take away IBB, Ruth, Mantle, and Williams all had higher career BB% with RISP than Votto
Complaining about walks with RISP has never made sense to me. Do Ks feel like the guy tried harder? Pop ups to the pitcher? But i have heard many a fan complain…