José Ramírez Is About to Crush History

Through Monday morning, José Ramírez has nearly accomplished something very unusual, which to-date has only been done once in baseball history. With just 0.1 WAR in separation, or roughly one run, Ramírez has almost caught Mike Trout. While one might ideally like Derek Fisher – or at least someone named Fry, Cook, or Giantbearpaw – to best a Trout, it’s Ramírez, the still-young Cleveland third baseman, overshadowed as a prospect by Francisco Lindor, who is leading the charge.

Trout, of course, hasn’t just been squeaking out WAR leads, as the average result during his five full, healthy seasons has been a 1.1 WAR lead over the second-place position player, terrorizing the error bars as thoroughly as major-league pitching. Only Bryce Harper has matched Trout so far, a player linked with the Angels center fielder while a prospect but one who has generally fallen short.

Even in Trout’s injury-trimmed 2017, during which he only played 114 games, he still finished fourth among hitters with a 6.9 WAR. That was good enough to be the fifth-best season for a player who appeared in fewer than 120 games since 1901, behind George Brett, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, and Mike Schmidt, all players you may have heard of.

Ramírez didn’t explode onto the baseball scene as Trout did; in fact, he has been a bit of a surprise. The ZiPS projection season liked him as a prospect, but it didn’t fall CPU-over-RAM in love with him, seeing him more as a cordial fan. Trout is still the favorite, but ZiPS gives him a 35% chance of being surpassed by Ramírez in the year-end WAR count, something that’s awfully hard to do.

After his 2013 stint in Double-A, Ramírez got his first official ZiPS projection for the 2014 season. The computer pegged him at .267/.308/.346 at second base, good for 1.5 WAR in 116 games. While a league-average projection for a 21-year-old is impressive, I can’t make any claim to ZiPS predicting players achieving superstar status.

ZiPS Rest-of-Career Projections, pre-2014
Rank Player Rest-of-Career WAR
71 Billy Hamilton 23.7
72 Jonathan Lucroy 23.7
73 Jacoby Ellsbury 23.5
74 Anthony Rendon 23.3
75 Max Stassi 23.0
76 José Ramírez 22.9
77 Wilmer Flores 22.7
78 Wil Myers 22.4
79 Rougned Odor 22.2
80 Ian Desmond 22.2
81 Matt Carpenter 21.9

In 2015, Ramírez’s projection was similar at .263/.304/.360, good for a 90 OPS+ and 2.2 WAR over 138 projected games. This was largely thanks to a .302/.360/.441 Triple-A season in 2014 followed by a .262/.300/.346 line in his first real stint with the Indians. That was enough to get him almost into the top 20 in ZiPS (he would’ve been a top-five prospect in my 2015 list if he hadn’t already lost his Rookie of the Year qualifications).

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ZiPS Rest-of-Career Projections, pre-2015
Rank Player WAR
17 Jason Heyward 37.1
18 Anthony Rizzo 36.8
19 Addison Russell 36.6
20 Gregory Polanco 36.3
21 J.P. Crawford 35.7
22 José Ramírez 34.9
23 Joey Gallo 34.5
24 Dilson Herrera 33.8
25 Byron Buxton 33.7
26 Xander Bogaerts 33.5
27 Salvador Perez 33.4

In 2015, Ramírez began the season as the starting shortstop for Cleveland, and while I don’t have any inside knowledge of Cleveland’s reasoning, I would imagine they wanted to see what they had in Ramírez at short before Lindor hit the majors and cleared out the rest of the suitors, as Odysseus did in legend upon his return to Ithaca.

And what he showed wasn’t that much, at least initially. His defense wasn’t great, at -6 in UZR and -2 in DRS over fewer than 400 innings in 2015. When demoted in June, he was only hitting an Alcidian .180/.247/.240. By the time he returned to the majors in August, Ramírez had lost the shortstop job to the aforementioned Lindor for good, and hit .259/.337/.438, mostly filling in for Jason Kipnis and Giovanny Urshela, both nursing shoulder injuries.

ZiPS still believed in Ramírez going into 2016, but didn’t see quite as much upside, with his 2015 dropping him to 43rd in rest-of-career ZiPS WAR with a .262/.316/.383 line and a 1.9 WAR projection.

By now, you know how the rest of this story went. Ramírez burst into stardom in 2016, hitting .312/.363/.462, good for a 121 wRC+ and 4.8 WAR. Then he got even better in 2017. And this year, he’s ridden the saber-limousine all the way to Crazyville. As of Monday morning, Ramírez stands at .300/.409/.631 with 33 home runs, 26 stolen bases, a 175 wRC+ and 7.5 WAR, all already career highs (except for batting average) and by substantial margins. You can even make a case that he’s actually been a little unlucky, doing all of this with a .277 BABIP, down 23 points from his career average of .300. From his hit profile, ZiPS thinks Ramírez “ought to” have a .315 BABIP this year, or .302 by Andrew Perpetua’s model.

My colleague Jay Jaffe wrote about the greatest seasons by a third baseman a few months ago, so I won’t go too into detail, but I will touch on a few important points.

For position players as a group, the 10-WAR seasons in history can be distributed into a few buckets:

• Hall of Famers, plus one that ought to be on performance alone (Barry Bonds)
• Players who are not yet eligible (Alex Rodriguez, Trout)
Norm Cash
Fred Dunlap

Out of those 52 seasons, 50 were players in the first two categories, all with nearly indisputable Hall of Fame talent. Cash isn’t quite as obvious, but he’s at least a borderline category and better than quite a few other Cooperstown-immortalized sluggers. That just leaves Dunlap and his curious 1884 for the St. Louis Maroons, as he hit .412/.448/.621 as a 25-year-old and never hit .275 again. I am unable to find any accusations of performance-enhancing tincture or tonic, so I’ll assume that this was another case of 1800s-baseball-gonna-1800s-baseball, given the variability of play quality at the time.

The mean projection for Ramírez by ZIPS for the rest of the season puts him at 9.7 WAR, tantalizingly close to the 10-WAR barrier, which has been broken by exactly zero third basemen in MLB history. Only Darrell Evans, Adrian Beltre, Rodriguez, and Ron Santo made it to within a half-win of ten. What this means is that as of right now, ZiPS is projecting José Ramírez to have a 53% chance at the greatest season by a third baseman in history and a 20% chance of being the first to hit ten WAR.

Ramírez’s season is not being driven by some freakishly high defensive WAR number, something you occasionally see given how volatile defensive measurements tend to be. The former shortstop’s defense only amounts to 8.7% of his total WAR, 51st among the 85 seven-WAR seasons by third basemen. A few players have seen this share go to over a third, headed by Brooks Robinson’s 1968, in which fielding makes up 58% of his WAR, (Graig Nettles and Robin Ventura both had seasons over 33%).

Naturally, all this uncontrolled awesomeness has altered Ramírez’s career-trajectory, tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis and all that jazz. In this year’s FanGraphs trade value series, Kiley McDaniel ranked Ramírez as the player with the greatest trade value in baseball, up from 15th in last year’s edition.

Unsurprisingly, the occasionally anthropomorphic projection system on my desk has also adjusted its gaze. Ramírez’s 2016 campaign got him back up to 25th in future WAR and over 2000 hits for his career. His 2017 rocketed him up to 8th, third-best of players 25 or older for the 2018 season, behind only Trout and Mookie Betts (and their 2500 hits).

As you probably have guessed, 2018 shoots Ramírez even higher in the long-term projections. His top-five near-age offensive comps are all Hall of Famers or should be (Santo, Ernie Banks, Scott Rolen, Chipper Jones, and Brett). Over the next five years, ZiPS projects 32.5 WAR, more than six wins a year, and 52 total WAR remaining, third among position players only behind Trout and Lindor. He already passed the 2500 hit mark in the projections; now he’s up at 350 homers as well. And with some simple math, all of a sudden, his projected final rank among third basemen puts him in Hall of Fame territory.

Third Baseman by Career WAR
Rank Player WAR
1 Alex Rodriguez 113.5
2 Mike Schmidt 106.5
3 Eddie Mathews 96.1
4 Wade Boggs 88.3
5 Chipper Jones 84.8
6 George Brett 84.6
7 Adrian Beltre 83.7
8 Brooks Robinson 80.2
9 José Ramírez 72.6*
10 Ron Santo 70.9
* = projected

You can shift these rankings around a little depending on how you categorize players like Rodriguez and Miguel Cabrera, but there’s only limited play possible with these numbers, and however you shuffle the deck, Ramírez is one of the very few players projected to finish with a career of historical, plaqued significance. Projection systems just aren’t designed for exuberance.

José Ramírez is heading on a course that could see him end up as one of the greatest Indians players in history and one of the greatest third basemen, period. And thanks to some shrewd wheeling-and-dealing by the team’s front office to sign him to a five-year, $26 million contract after his initial breakout in 2016, he’s going to be doing it in Cleveland through the 2023 season. Ramírez is now in his third consecutive year of doing things we didn’t know were possible for him; if he manages to pull this off for a fourth, he may just break baseball.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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Pwn Shop
8 years ago

Missed a golden opportunity for Barraclough reference.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Pwn Shop

Seriously. How does one come up with “Giantbearpaw” as a joke but not think of Kyle Barraclough? Oh woe…

Pwn Shop
8 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

All’s fair in love and WAR.

CC AFCMember since 2016
8 years ago

I always thought it would be Bobby Stick-of-Dynamite to finally catch Trout…

Baron Samedi
8 years ago

how far have jason heyward and joey gallo fallen since 2015?

ShauncoreMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

And Billy Hamilton/Wilmer Flores pre-2013.

Maybe you could make the case that Hamilton, who is at ~10 WAR so far in his career, could put up another 12 over the next decade if he plays until 37 (Rajai Davis is still kicking around), but Flores (5.3 so far) would need to be worth ~17 WAR from let’s say age 27-37. He of not great defense, baserunning, and a good not great hitter.

carterMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

Gallo put up 3 war last season, and will put up over 2 this year. The shine is certainly off, but doubt anyone would be surprised when he inevitably has a monster 5-6 war season.

Der_K
8 years ago

Dunlap’s big year was in the Union Association, which was probably a major league in name only.

That said, he’s an interesting guy: good bat, good glove, highest paid player in the game for several years running, lousy teammate whose funeral was ill-attended and … whose funeral came just over a decade after he retired. Cause of death: “tubercular distended rectum”, which sounds unpleasant. He’d reportedly blown his fortune on bad stocks and worse horses.
Oh, he reportedly debuted as an umpire! – one game in the season before his NL debut.

Kenny OckerMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Der_K

,

Rallymonkey5Member since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  Der_K

Yeah, Union association was a minor league. Bill James makes the case conclusively in his Historical Abstract.

radivel
8 years ago

Ah yes, the eternal Max Stassi. Wait, who?

Dmjn53
8 years ago
Reply to  radivel

Still a rookie!

3cardmontyMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Having a nice year too

Trotter76Member since 2018
8 years ago

First of all, great article, I like the way your write Dan. I find it interesting that after Wil Myers ROY 2013 season, he was projected for fewer rest-of-career WAR than not just Ramirez, but the likes of Wilmer Flores and Max Stassi. I remember people being VERY excited about Myers so I thought he’d project out a little higher than that.

TimEsquitMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  Trotter76

Best guess is that Myers was not as young and his war limited by being a 1b

burts_beadsMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  TimEsquit

He was 22 during his 2013 season and didn’t play any 1B.

Kevin Grimes
8 years ago
Reply to  burts_beads

Maybe the computer knew about how his giant wrists couldn’t survive the outfield!?

backward galaxy
8 years ago

Dude can flat out rake.

de CarabasMember since 2025
8 years ago

While I know nothing of his lawn care skills, he is also pretty good at hitting baseballs!

GoNYGoNYGoGo
8 years ago

The 1884 St. Louis Maroons played in the Union Association which was not really a major league. The next year when absorbed into the National League and the quality of play was better, Fred Dunlap’s batting average went back to .270. 🙂

snoop god
8 years ago

Coolest part about this? Betts is actually hitting better than him, but he missed ~18 games.

paragassp19
8 years ago
Reply to  snoop god

Why is this being down voted? He’s correct and isn’t being rude to Jose Ramirez. What Mookie, Trout, and JRam have been doing this year is incredible and they all deserve recognition.

Paul621Member since 2020
8 years ago

I really enjoyed this, thank you. On a side note, where can one find rest of career projections?

runningfrog
8 years ago

And with all due respect to Thor, Ramirez has the best nickname among active stars. “The Angry Hamster” ftw.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  runningfrog

Agreed. Doesn’t get enough play unfortunately.

Art Fay
8 years ago

Baseball needs a premiere third baseman in each league: Arenado and Ramirez is great. Can’t imagine Bryant ever being in another MVP discussion.

LHPSU
8 years ago
Reply to  Art Fay

Right, because how you play in one season determines the rest of your career.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
8 years ago

I suppose this means Al Rosen won’t be the greatest Indians 3B much longer (Thome 1B?). I wonder how Lindor will fare vs Boudreau and Sewell.

emh1969
8 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Hard to pass Boudreau.

1) Incredible peak: seasons of 10.9, 8.3, 7.5, 7.3 and 6.5 WAR (in a shorter schedule).
2) Played almost his entire career with Cleveland, something that is unlikely to happen with Lindor.
3) Bonus points for being the player-manager the last time Cleveland won the World Series.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

I’m hoping Lindor plays most of his career with Cleveland, as does Ramirez, as does Harper with Washington.

mharrMember since 2017
8 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Hoping Lindor will stay with the Tribe, but not optimistic as Lindor already turned down $110M+ contract last year. He becomes arbitration-eligible next year, and able to be free agent after 2021 season. (That seems to be approaching faster and faster!)

emh1969
8 years ago

Why the Indians chose Ramirez over Lindor to begin the 2015 season is hardly a great mystery.

Lindor was their top prospect and he wasn’t seen as ready. He had just reached AAA at the end of 2014 and hadn’t done that well (88 wRC+ in 38 games).

ryancc
8 years ago

Maybe I missed something but where is it described what history Ramirez is about to crush? This article says he may end up a hall of famer. That is neither “about” or “crushing history” anything. Even if the title is about the opening argument of passing Trout, the rest of the article has nothing to do with that. Also, I’m willing to bet Trout still has the higher WAR at season’s end unless his wrist doesn’t get better and he goes on the DL.

BryzMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  ryancc

Ramirez has a chance at breaking 10 WAR this season, a feat that has never been done by a 3B in major league history.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Bryz

This was a crushing rejoinder

carterMember since 2020
8 years ago

Having watched Jram I can truly say I would be shocked if he doesn’t end up in the hof (discussion). He could put up 4 war the next couple years and still end up with a HOF peak. Watching him play, he will not ever struggle to put up 4 war.