Juan Soto Is the Fastest to Majors Since A-Rod
Since 1990 (in which year, Rich Garces represented the season’s only teenage debutante), only 14 hitters have debuted in the big leagues shy of age 20. With his appearance pinch-hit appearance on Sunday for the Nationals, Juan Soto just did it less minor-league time than nearly all of them. Soto’s 2017 season was buried under injuries (a fractured ankle, a broken hamate bone that required surgery, a hamstring issue), which limited him to just 32 games. When he stepped into the batter’s box this weekend, he did so having played just 122 minor-league games before his debut, the fewest for a teenage hitter since Alex Rodriguez debuted as an 18-year-old in 1994 after just 114 games.
| Year | Player | Position | Team | Debut Age (Y.D) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1991 | Ivan Rodriguez | C | TEX | 19.205 |
| 1994 | Alex Rodriguez | SS | SEA | 18.346 |
| 1995 | Karim Garcia | OF | LAD | 19.308 |
| 1996 | Andruw Jones | CF | ATL | 19.114 |
| 1996 | Edgar Renteria | SS | FLA | 19.277 |
| 1998 | Adrian Beltre | 3B | LAD | 19.078 |
| 1998 | Aramis Ramirez | 3B | PIT | 19.335 |
| 2001 | Wilson Betemit | SS | ATL | 19.320 |
| 2003 | Jose Reyes | SS | NYM | 19.364 |
| 2004 | Melvin Upton Jr. | SS | TB | 19.347 |
| 2007 | Justin Upton | RF | ARI | 19.342 |
| 2011 | Mike Trout | CF | LAA | 19.335 |
| 2012 | Jurickson Profar | SS | TEX | 19.195 |
| 2012 | Bryce Harper | RF | WAS | 19.195 |
| 2018 | Juan Soto | RF | WAS | 19.207 |
Edgar Renteria was pushed to the Midwest League as a 16-year-old and, by the time he was in the majors, had three times as many games under his belt than Soto. Justin Upton was drafted out of high school in 2005 and held out until January. (I guess there’s one good thing about the new CBA.) Then he tore through the minors and debuted in August of 2007 after seeing action in about 200 games. Trout signed quickly after he was drafted and played in the AZL that summer, then split his first full pro season at Low- and High-A, after which he was already at 175 games, and he needed 75 more and a Peter Bourjos injury the following year to debut.
Bryce Harper comes close if you don’t count his 34 Fall League games combined in 2010 (when he was 17) and 2011, as he got there in 130 regular-season minor-league games.
Soto’s ascent and its evaluation through this specific lens is partly a product of circumstance — both in Washington’s injuries this season and Soto’s last year — but impressive nonetheless, and he is remarkably talented. I saw Soto last week, in what would be his last Carolina League series, on the front end of what was mostly an amateur scouting trip. Here’s how I have the tools evaluated after that viewing:
| Age | 19 | Height | 6’1 | Weight | 190 | Bat/Throw | L/L |
|---|
| Hit | Raw Power | Game Power | Run | Fielding | Throw |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 40/55 | 60/65 | 40/60 | 55/50 | 40/50 | 50/50 |
The max-effort nature of some of Soto’s swings, which are the most violent and freakishly rotational I’ve seen since Oscar Taveras when Soto really cuts loose, cause him to take some embarrassing hacks over offspeed stuff beneath the zone. His pitch recognition is good enough to offset this, and Soto has had little trouble laying off these types of pitches this year. But now big leaguers are going to be setting up and throwing those dying changeups and ankle-biting curveballs. The physical tools to succeed at the big-league level are already here, but if Soto fails initially I’d guess it’s because he takes time adjusting to MLB-quality chase pitches. He’s running better than last year, having distanced himself even further from surgery, but still hasn’t totally grown into his body. He looks uncoordinated at times in the outfield and on the bases.
With our overall top-100 list (which will soon just be a list of every 50 FV or better prospect in baseball) poised for an update after the minor-league season’s first quarter — mostly to reflect injuries and graduations — Soto has climbed more than any other prospect in baseball. We had a 50 FV on him entering the year, with a combination of injuries and relative inexperience pulling down on what would have been a higher grade based on the talent alone.
Now that it’s fair to assume Soto would be succeeding at Double-A, at age 19, with these tools, we need to reassess his standing pretty dramatically. Our early discussions have him somewhere in the No. 7 to 18 overall range, a span bookended by Bo Bichette (who has similar offensive ability and a better defensive home) and Luis Robert (who also has similar ability and a better defensive home, but who is 20, injured, and set to go to High-A after tuning up in extended spring training).
To close, consider what Soto would be doing if he were a collegiate player. Arizona State freshman 1B Spencer Torkelson, who’s a little younger than Soto but has 20 pounds on him, is hitting .321/.441/.758 with 24 home runs, shattering Barry Bonds’ freshman home-run record at ASU. Here’s how Torkelson (who has a more circular hand path than he did in high school, helping him lift the ball) grades out compared to Soto based on my looks at Tork here in Tempe.
Bear in mind that Torkelson’s present hit tool grade is basically code for “Advanced College Bat” while Soto’s is what I think it will actually be in the big leagues right now since, you know, he’s there.
| Player | pHit | fHit | pRaw | fRaw | pGame | fGame | pRun | fRun | pField | fField | pArm | fArm |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Juan Soto | 40 | 55 | 60 | 65 | 40 | 60 | 55 | 50 | 40 | 50 | 50 | 50 |
| Spencer Torkelson | 35 | 50 | 55 | 60 | 30 | 55 | 40 | 40 | 40 | 50 | 45 | 45 |
I’d argue this comparison is more apples to apples than trying to line up Soto against someone like Alex Reyes on a prospect list. Grouping, then preffing out, prospects based on age and then folding them into one another to create a master list might be the best way to do this from scratch. The differences in Soto’s tool grades and expected defensive value compared to Torkelson’s are relevant but not extreme. Where Soto separates himself from the best college freshman hitter and most other 19-year-olds on the planet, is how quickly he’s gotten to the bigs. He’s a prodigy with plus-plus bat speed. Torkelson will be drafted as a right-right first baseman in two years. If he hits like Peter Alonso has for two years after that, we’ll probably have a 50 FV on him at that point. He’s four years away from being on a running top-100 list off of which Soto might graduate in the next several weeks.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
I just cannot imagine being 19 (or 18 like A-Rod) and being on a MLB roster. That’s crazy.
Especially if you look at the list of other teenagers who make. It’s pretty clear that the expectation is that you’ll be a star, which is a ton of pressure. That said, in most cases, it looks like you’re almost certainly going to be a star.
His Steamer projections are crazy, too: those would be all-star numbers for a 19 year old.
This kid landed in the game like an asteroid.
Thanks, nice work; I’d forgotten Melvin Upton Jr. started as a SS…
One quick question – for whom is it a good thing that high school draftees can no longer hold out under the new CBA? Presumably not for the draftee…
Baseball fans. No longer will teams with high picks be forced to either overpay for amateur talent or lose a pick
Steamer projects wRC+ of 115 for Soto.
Steamer projects wRC+ of 113 for Vlad Jr..
Wow. I’m a lil’ shocked that there’s no separation between the two. I would’ve thought the projections would lean on Vlad.
Stay healthy Soto!
Steamer updated overnight and the new RoS projections for Soto are .295/.354/.493… WOW!
Hi Eric, what is the sum of the parts of the new scouting report for soto? 45 pv / 60 fv?
Yes, I’d very much like to know the answer to this inquiry! However for the FV at least, on the last list #7 had a FV of 60, and #18 also had a FV of 60. So if he’s slotting in between 7 and 18, I suspect it’s a 60 FV..
Yep
The comp I like to look at is Ozuna – the guy made his debut after only 10 games at AA, was about three years older, and I think didn’t have the hit tool nor nearly the control of the strike zone that Soto does, yet he still ran a 92 wRC+ in his first season.
My takeaway from that is that if a somewhat similarly rushed prospect w/ a hit tool and strike zone control that weren’t as good as Soto’s is can run a batting line within sneezing distance of league average, there’s a good deal of hope for what Soto can do.
I know these are just “projections” but the hit tool grades seem kind of low for a player his age with his kind of plate discipline, pitch recognition, and ability to barrel balls regularly. To say that a 19 year old who has been able to walk more than he has struck out in pro ball thus far will have a hit tool just a tick above leage average just seems off to me. Am i wrong?
I agree with you, but Eric said in the piece that he does take insane hacks that will cause him to totally miss. He seems to think that will limit him against major league breaking balls.
I think he’s going to absolutely look silly at times against MLB pitching, but he has made adjustments in the past. I would guess his long-term outlook (as opposed to what he is doing this season) is very, very bright.
Missing in dramatic fashion shouldn’t concern anyone yet because HE RARELY MISSES. When your career minor league batting average is .360 and you have have 60 extra base hits compared to 66 strikeouts you’re dominating the strike zone.
I’m curious about the timing of these swings. Looking at the data he was most likely bored and trying too hard to hit his 2nd home run of the game.
If he did it at AAA or even AA with a larger sample, then you’d be right. Provided he has barely any time above A+, he hasn’t seen the pitch quality nor distributions that he’ll see in the majors.
Basically, with the lack of time against ‘quality’ competition, it is assumed he will lose discipline and struggle a bit with contact relative to his A+ performance in the majors, like most minor-to-majors players do.
Completely agree, but plate contact skills and discipline tend to carry over quite a bit to each level. Estevan Florial is striking out more than 30% in high A ball, and if he got vaulted to the majors right now that number would certainly increase, but with a foundation like soto’s I just think he has a lot better chance to succeed at higher levels compared to guys who don’t make consistent contact even at the lower levels. Everyone says Soto is possibly the second best offensive prospect behind Vlad Jr, yet they give vlad an 80 hit tool… just sayin.
I agree – if a guy has serious issues w/ contact or plate discipline, they tend to show up at some point. Sure, pitching gets better as a hitter progresses through the system, but I don’t believe we can definitively say that it’s necessary to have a sizable population of AA/AAA at-bats in order to get a sense of a guy’s K/BB abilities.
Eloy Jimenez has a present 30 grade hit tool on Fangraphs and he hits like .320 with decent on base % every season.
And he does it with a pretty normal BABIP and very low strikeouts for a power hitter. That one always confuses me.
I agree. My gut reaction is that, if a guy had legitimately concerning contact/pitch recognition/plate discipline issues, it would have manifested itself statistically at some level.
Ronald Acuna – who got a 50/55 grade on his bat – had the following strikeout rates: (A)/174 PA/ 16.4% K, (A+)/126/31.7, (AA)/243/23%, (AAA #1)/243/19.8, (AAA #2)/78/28. Knowing nothing else, I’d probably estimate this hitter to run about a ~23-26% MLB K-rate. Also, I’d probably have reached this same conclusion if the AAA data had been excluded from the population.
Back to Soto, he struck out less than Acuna at A/A+/AA, while walking more than Acuna, which would objectively lead me to believe that Soto’s Bat should be a 55/60 (assuming the deltas in bat speed, etc aren’t too crazy). Maybe the argument against that approach could be that, with further exposure at AA/AAA, Soto would have been exposed. But my counterargument is that, at least in Acuna’s case, we learned nothing from that additional data. I realize that this is not an exact science, and that things don’t always scale this way in the land of scouting, but it is (maybe) at least an interesting thought experiment.
Juan Soto is the real deal. Unless he suffers a serious injury or a major crisis of confidence because he can’t handle Brad Hand’s slider, he’s going to make it.
About a year ago, someone mentioned that they thought Soto was a better prospect than Robles. I thought that was crazy then, but I’m starting to think otherwise as Soto continues to destroy pitchers several years older than him.
For reference, he’s about a half year older than Vlad Jr and about half a year behind him in terms of level, but he has performed similarly. On the other hand, he’s almost two years younger than Eloy Jimenez and is performing similarly to him (although Jimenez has 80 raw power). All of those guys have limited defensive projection. It’s totally fair to make an argument that the scouting reports on Eloy and Vlad Jr. are so much better than on Soto that Soto is clearly an inferior prospect, but we can actually have that conversation.
Juan Soto is The Truth. He absolutely rakes.
He’s been recently clocked at 4 seconds flat from first to home which is 70 grade speed. It hasn’t translated to stolen bases but Soto can really run.
Does Fangraphs base their hit tool grades on performances AA on up? Seeing Vlad Jr, Soto, and Eloy Jimenez at present 30s and 40s seems very low… I’m pretty sure they can all hit for league average or better at the MLB level right now.
Soto is the fastest to the majors since Bryce Harper, not A-Rod. You even have a table, in the article, that says so.
Table is age, A-Rod reference is about games played in the minors.
Though I do agree that it isn’t entirely reader friendly to cite a stat and then put a table sorting by a totally different stat directly below. It’d probably flow better if the chart were two paragraphs down.
Am I the only one who thought that pitch wasn’t even close to being beneath the strike zone..? The bottom dropped out of it, and the catcher still caught it equal to or slightly above Soto’s back knee…
The last teenager to hit a HR in MLB was Bryce Harper, first against the Padres.
Juan Soto just hit one in the first AB of his first start (PH yesterday) against … the Padres!
400+ ft oppo. I think he might be good!
That was a nice piece of hitting. Good for him.
That was way too easy of a swing for a 422 ft opposite field shot…
With the “tighter ball phenomenon” shouldn’t we be evaluating top power prospects differently than we have in past years? Olsen, Hoskins, Bellinger, Judge etc all had their power play up once they got to MLB.
Bring them up!
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Lets hope he hits like AROD without a needle! Can you imagine what this outfield will look like in 2 years if they resign Harper! I can dream… dream… on that!
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He is great but the earths best 19 yo is probably vlad jr who has been hitting better than soto (with better K-bb and not just babip) but is not called up.
I kind of feel like if we can make a straight-faced comparison to arguably*the best prospect in baseball, Soto’s fans (like myself) have already won.
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*I think most people think Vlad Jr. is #2 behind Acuna, and Ohtani isn’t a “prospect” in the traditional sense
Let’s have the comparisons and arguments because its fun, really really fun.
But let’s also agree that no one boasts that they’ve “already won” until, say, 2023?
I don’t know if it is that open & shut honestly. Juan Soto’s minor league numbers across three leagues are outrageous on their own & his presumed defensive advantage (over Vladimir Guerrero II at 3b, to be clear) shouldn’t be overlooked either.
This year there has been a phenomenal crop of rookies from Acuña, Albies, Torres, Ohtani and now possibly Soto. It is going to be fun to watch these young kids and how much they develop. It’s definitely been a good start.
Agreed. Can we get Dayn to update this article at season’s end? https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/is-mike-trout-the-greatest-rookie-ever/