Julio Urias Is Really, Really Young
Left-hander Julio Urias starts for the Dodgers tonight in Game 4 of the NLCS against the Cubs. Here’s something you probably already know about him: he’s really young. Urias turned 20 on August 12 of this year. For the purposes of websites such as this one (which use July 1 as a cutoff), that places Urias in the midst of his age-19 season. When Urias pitched in relief during Game 5 of the NLDS, he became the fourth-youngest pitcher in major-league history (Bert Blyleven, Ken Brett, Don Gullett) to pitch in the postseason, per Baseball-Reference Play Index — and he’s already pitched more innings than Brett and as many as Blyleven. With his first pitch today, he’ll become the youngest pitcher in postseason history to record a start. By comparison, consider that most of the players on both the Cubs and Dodgers had never even appeared in a professional game at the same age Urias ascends to the spotlight.
Only seven players in history have started a playoff game at an age younger than Urias, and they were all position players. They are, in declining order of age at playoff debut: Justin Upton, Claudell Washington, Bryce Harper, Mickey Mantle, Andruw Jones, Phil Cavarretta, and Freddie Lindstrom.
That’s one way to frame Urias’s accomplishment. Another? By means of this brief timeline concerning the distinction Urias is about to receive:
- On October 9, 1913, Bullet Joe Bush started for the Philadelphia Athletics in the third game of the World Series. he pitched a complete game as the A’s beat the New York Giants 8-2. Bush was 20 years and 316 days old. Bush would hold the record until…
- October 3, 1984, when Bret Saberhagen started for the Kansas City Royals in Game 2 of the ALCS against the Detroit Tigers. The Tigers won 5-3. Saberhagen was 20 years and 175 days old.
- Urias is 20 years and 68 days old today.
Urias’s age is not remarkable solely for how it relates to his postseason appearance and playoff start. His regular-season performance this year, even in limited innings, represents one of the better seasons in history for a player his age. In 77 innings this season, Urias put up a 3.39 ERA and 3.17 FIP, which was good enough to produce a 1.8 WAR. Over the last 40 years, only seven players, position players included, have recorded a better WAR number in a season at 19 years of age or younger:
| Season | Name | Team | WAR |
| 1984 | Dwight Gooden | Mets | 8.3 |
| 1967 | Gary Nolan | Reds | 5.3 |
| 2012 | Bryce Harper | Nationals | 4.6 |
| 1970 | Bert Blyleven | Twins | 3.6 |
| 1996 | Edgar Renteria | Marlins | 3.5 |
| 1989 | Ken Griffey Jr. | Mariners | 2.5 |
| 2005 | Felix Hernandez | Mariners | 2.3 |
| 2016 | Julio Urias | Dodgers | 1.8 |
That list is cut off with Urias, but there are only two other players with a WAR even exceeding 1.0: Manny Machado and Rick Ankiel. Even going back 100 years, the only position players to recorded more than 1.8 WAR were Hall of Famers Mel Ott and Travis Jackson — as well as Buddy Lewis and Tony Conigliaro. Another seven pitchers have exceeded 1.8 WAR, including Bob Feller and Milt Pappas. It’s possible that, when we think of Urias’s age, we sort of shut things down at a certain point and consider young as young, not considering the difference between age 19 and age 20. In reality, however, even that single year separates makes a difference. Consider: over the last 20 seasons, 36 different 20-year-olds have pitched in the majors. Only seven pitchers — Hernandez, Urias, Ankiel, Edwin Jackson, Dylan Bundy, Madison Bumgarner, and Matt Riley (in order of WAR) — have recorded a pitch in their age-19 seasons.
To provide some perspective, let’s take a look at what Urias’s teammates were doing during their own age-19 seasons. The graphs below depict the number of players at each level for the current Dodgers 25-man roster. (A full table of the relevant information appears at the bottom of the post.)

Thirteen of the Dodgers on the NLCS roster hadn’t yet made a professional appearance yet, while Rich Hill was still in high school and Carlos Ruiz had yet to be signed by Philadelphia Phillies out of Panama. Kenta Maeda had yet to make his debut in Japan’s top league, while Yasiel Puig was in his second professional season in Cuba. Only two players had even made it past Low-A, a level still four rungs below the majors. Corey Seager made it to High-A, playing in 27 games there after spending the bulk of the year in Low-A, and Clayton Kershaw made five starts in Double-A after spending the bulk of the season in Low-A.
The graph below shows how far from the majors the current Dodgers were at age 19.

All but Seager and Kershaw were at least three years from the majors when they were Urias’s age. The average age of the Dodgers’ debuts is 24 years old, five years older than Urias. Joc Pederson, a rookie last year, is five years older than Urias. Pederson and Urias are as far apart in age as Urias and an eighth-grader.
Now let’s compare Urias to his opponents in the NLCS, the Chicago Cubs. The Cubs have a reputation as a younger team, so maybe his youth won’t seem so out of place.
First, here are the levels at which the Cubs’ 25 players were played during their age-19 seasons:

We can see that the Cubs players, at least in terms of where they were as prospects, were a little more advanced than the Dodgers were. At 19, five players appeared at High-A or above. That said, the presence of two players at Triple-A is slightly deceiving: Addison Russell played the entire year at High-A before getting three games in at Triple-A and then spent most of the next season in Double-A. Jason Heyward, meanwhile, also only played three games at that level after splitting most of the season between High-A and Double-A. He did start the next season in the majors, though, which is something.
Here’s how far the Cubs players were from the majors at age 19.

Pedro Strop of the Cubs and Kenley Jansen of the Dodgers were still position players at 19 years old, having not yet made the transition to the mound. It took an average of four more years past age 19 for Cubs players to reach the majors.
When we combine the two teams to see where all 50 players were at age 19, the graph looks like this:

In the postseason, the word history gets thrown out a lot. Players and teams are constantly accomplishing feats that are rare and worth mentioning for their context in the game’s great past. That’s part of what makes the postseason great.
Urias has accomplished a number of such feats already and is about to accomplish at least another one. In the past 100 years, only two players have been able to say they were the youngest pitcher in playoff history to make a start. Later today, Julio Urias will become the third and only he will be able to make that claim for the foreseeable future.
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As noted above, here’s the full list of NLCS players below (chart is sortable):
| NLCS Team | Year at Age-19 | Highest Level at Age-19 | Years to Majors at Age-19 | |
| Carl Edwards, Jr. | Cubs | 2011 | High School | 4 |
| Rich Hill | Dodgers | 1999 | High School | 6 |
| Carlos Ruiz | Dodgers | 1998 | Fgn Academy | 8 |
| Kris Bryant | Cubs | 2011 | College | 4 |
| John Lackey | Cubs | 1998 | College | 4 |
| Justin Grimm | Cubs | 2008 | College | 4 |
| Chris Coghlan | Cubs | 2004 | College | 5 |
| Kyle Hendricks | Cubs | 2009 | College | 5 |
| Jake Arrieta | Cubs | 2005 | College | 5 |
| Rob Zastryzny | Cubs | 2011 | College | 5 |
| David Ross | Cubs | 1996 | College | 6 |
| Ben Zobrist | Cubs | 2000 | College | 6 |
| Alex Wood | Dodgers | 2010 | College | 3 |
| Josh Reddick | Dodgers | 2006 | College | 3 |
| Joe Blanton | Dodgers | 2000 | College | 4 |
| Yasmani Grandal | Dodgers | 2008 | College | 4 |
| Justin Turner | Dodgers | 2004 | College | 5 |
| Chase Utley | Dodgers | 1998 | College | 5 |
| Andre Ethier | Dodgers | 2001 | College | 5 |
| Andrew Toles | Dodgers | 2011 | College | 5 |
| Ross Stripling | Dodgers | 2009 | College | 7 |
| Josh Fields | Dodgers | 2005 | College | 8 |
| Grant Dayton | Dodgers | 2007 | College | 9 |
| Jorge Soler | Cubs | 2011 | Cuban Lg | 3 |
| Aroldis Chapman | Cubs | 2007 | Cuban Lg | 3 |
| Yasiel Puig | Dodgers | 2010 | Cuban Lg | 3 |
| Kenta Maeda | Dodgers | 2007 | Fgn Minors | 9 |
| Miguel Montero | Cubs | 2003 | Rookie | 3 |
| Dexter Fowler | Cubs | 2005 | Rookie | 3 |
| Luis Avilan | Dodgers | 2009 | Rookie | 3 |
| Howie Kendrick | Dodgers | 2003 | Rookie | 3 |
| Pedro Baez | Dodgers | 2007 | Rookie | 7 |
| Albert Almora, Jr. | Cubs | 2013 | Low-A | 3 |
| Jon Lester | Cubs | 2003 | Low-A | 3 |
| Travis Wood | Cubs | 2006 | Low-A | 4 |
| WIllson Contreras | Cubs | 2011 | Low-A | 5 |
| Pedro Strop | Cubs | 2004 | Low-A | 5 |
| Hector Rondon | Cubs | 2007 | Low-A | 6 |
| Kenley Jansen | Dodgers | 2007 | Low-A | 3 |
| Adrian Gonzalez | Dodgers | 2001 | Low-A | 3 |
| Enrique Hernandez | Dodgers | 2011 | Low-A | 3 |
| Joc Pederson | Dodgers | 2011 | Low-A | 3 |
| Anthony Rizzo | Cubs | 2009 | High-A | 2 |
| Javy Baez | Cubs | 2012 | High-A | 2 |
| Mike Montgomery | Cubs | 2009 | High-A | 6 |
| Corey Seager | Dodgers | 2013 | High-A | 2 |
| Clayton Kershaw | Dodgers | 2007 | Double-A | 1 |
| Jason Heyward | Cubs | 2009 | Triple-A | 1 |
| Addison Russell | Cubs | 2013 | Triple-A | 2 |
| Julio Urias | Dodgers | 2016 | MLB | 0 |
Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.
A strikingly similar career path to Bumgarner except Urias is one year younger ±3 weeks.
Another way to put Urias in perspective: When Trout was that age, his stat line was .220/.281/.390, with 0.7 WAR.
When I was that age, Trout was wearing diapers.
I remember asking back when Urias was called up how he wasn’t a projected #1; the response was mostly about how projecting a #1 is hard to do as it is so rare, but at this point I would like to ask if anyone has changed their mind and now feels like he should have been projected to be a #1 and not a 2-3? I remember hearing about how his ceiling might not be as high, as if if he would stop improving, but that all seemed like nonsense. As a 19 year old he projects out to have a 4.5 WAR over the course of 200 innings; that’s pretty remarkable. Unless Urias goes backwards in his development, or stops improving – two very unlikely outcomes – I think it’s safe to say we should enjoy what we’re watching each and everyday he pitches because he’s something truly special. I also think the projection scale should be altered if someone as good as Urias doesn’t even warrant a #1 projection.
I hate this number 1 stuff. Everyone said TOR arm, why isn’t that good enough? He projects for that war over 200 innings and yet is at 140 right now meaning 200 next year is unlikely. It’s hardly a distiction worth nitpicking over.
I think it’s worth nitpicking. Many had Gio with a higher ceiling and as being the better prospect; despite the dominance of more mature men by Urias who was a good 2-3 years younger than his opponents.
The best projection for future success is past success; even moreso when you are much younger than your competition. Urias has shown, at each and every level, an ability to adapt and improve. Even in the big leagues he has already made the proper adjustments after a rocky start. He clearly has not only the tools, but the mind to be a dominant starter. Not only that, but he was projected as a 2-3; there was a lot of discussion about the projection. I felt it was very light, and unwarranted; some did not agree. Here is the link:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/soon-is-now-dodgers-julio-urias-to-debut-on-friday/
If no one can be projected to be a number one then scouting is far too passive, or the system is flawed. That was the basis of my entire argument.
Urias size has been used against him, but great pitchers come in all shapes and sizes. The only fear with Urias, in my opinion, is his ability to throw 200+ innings every year but that is the fear with every single starter and there’s no evidence what-so-ever that states that smaller = more injury prone.
Urias is an ace in the making. Projecting him as a 2-3 was a very weak projection, that was not based on actual success or his statistical profile. I felt that way then, and I feel that way now.
Rational.. I remember that discussion. All I have to say is that either way, do labels really matter? Like you said, just enjoy watching him pitch.
Agree with you 100%, I just think it’s good scouting based discussion. I think the scouting scale is far too steep, and I also felt the “Urias” had peaked point was always nonsense.
He wasn’t getting the low strike early – which was a go to for him – and he adjusted. He learns about as quickly as any player I’ve seen; especially given his age. I have also felt that the ability to locate all your pitches in any count has always been more valuable than pure velocity and stuff.
Regardless of the results today, it should be fun to watch the kid tonight.
You’re being aggressively irrational. It’s been 30 years now since Bill James showed that age means far, far less for pitchers than it does for hitters. Maybe that’ll change now that we’re not abusing successful young pitchers as we once did. Maybe.
Some people need the ego boost of making a bold prediction and being proven right publicly. Best to just ignore it.
he has very good stuff but really not that classic starter Frame at 6 feet and generally not a big Frame. some were worried about that.
This just reminds me of the kid in little league that was 6;1″ and 180 lbs at 11y/o. Some kids just mature early.
Yes Urias matured early but the stuff, poise and command/control all have ace potential.
Basically unless a pitcher has a Giolito/Thor profile he’s not getting a #1 projection. Obviously there are a lot of aces who don’t throw 98 and who aren’t 6’6″.
Btw Urias most consistent comparison is Madbum and he’s an ace.
Reminds me more of rick ankiel, at least size and stuff wise. Better command though.
For those who don’t remember rick ankiels beastly arm
https://youtu.be/0EOlUZ_sgAw
Start at 2:32… That throw is phenomenal
Once again, location and intelligence isn’t “maturity.” It’s talent. It’s ability.
The basis of this argument is that Urias has somehow peaked at 19 years old, and it’s unwarranted and has no evidence to back it up. He has continued to improve each and every year of pro-ball.
Urias has definitely room to improve and certainly has not peaked but his Body is not as “projectable” as a giolito or syndergaard.
that doesn’t mean he can’t have a better career then them but to a Scout a 6″5 guy just has more potential.
also shorter guys sometimes lose velocity earlier because due to their shorter Levers they Need to move more explosively and be generally “higher effort” than a tall guy who can accelerate more smoothly.
that is not true all the time of course but often it is.
delete double post
“Joc Pederson, a rookie last year, is five years older than Urias. Pederson and Urias are as far apart in age as Urias and an eighth-grader”
15 years old seems a little old for an eight-grader.
You must have never been down to the south.
The real takeaway here is that Rich Hill was in high school at 20 years old.
just to be clear, it was his age-19 season that he was in high school. He was basically a year behind most his age. A little uncommon, but not crazy. Same was true for Carl Edwards, Jr.
“Thirteen of the Dodgers on the NLCS roster hadn’t yet made a professional appearance yet, while Rich Hill was still in high school…” Sure Craig, let’s just pretend like Rich Hill being in high school at age 20 is a normal thing.
It takes Rich Hill longer than most people to do things but boy does he make it worth it in the end.
Bumgarner is wayyyyy better than Urias will every be. You cannot compare a work horse with 3 rings to a chump with some hype.