Kris Bryant and Floor Versus Ceiling
Merry Krismas, Chicago; Kris Bryant’s defense magically improved in the exact amount of minor league games it took for the Cubs to delay his free agency by a year. With that remarkable coincidence act of theatre out of the way, the Cubs can now acknowledge that Bryant is not only their best third baseman, but one of their best big league players. And so today begins the Kris Bryant Era in Chicago.
Chris Mitchell has already written up the KATOH system’s expectations for Bryant, and as you’d expect, a model based on Bryant’s minor league performances think he’s going to be quite good. After all, few players have torn up minor league hitting the way Bryant has; including his stint in the AFL, Bryant has hit .331/.430/.671, good for a 195 wRC+. Kris Bryant can hit, and when he hits, the baseball goes a long way.
That profile is why he’s the consensus top prospect in baseball, and why there’s so much hype surrounding his call-up. Bryant isn’t some toolsy athlete in low-A ball that could be great in three years, or a flame-throwing ace who could rack up the strikeouts until his arm explodes; he’s a college-polished slugger who already projects as one of the best third baseman in baseball, even before he plays a big league game. As prospects go, Bryant is a very low-risk talent, as it would take a minor disaster for him to not be at least reasonably productive for the Cubs in 2015 and beyond.
He’s not perfect, of course. His contact rate is a legitimate concern, and as Chris noted this morning, he’s probably looking at a peak that resembles something out of Giancarlo Stanton’s career. Stanton is something like Bryant’s upside, a guy who produces so much value on contact that the strikeouts don’t prevent him from being an elite player. The downside is probably something more along the lines of Chris Davis, who had a peak year at that level but has been up-and-down in the big leagues. Most likely, Bryant becomes something in between those two extremes, maybe more along the lines of Troy Glaus, who is the player I’ve most often heard Bryant compared to.
Troy Glaus was a very good player, especially before injuries robbed him of his defensive value, but Glaus also finished with a career 120 wRC+ and +34 WAR, not anyone’s idea of a Hall of Famer. And yet, something like Glaus’ career is a perfectly reasonable expectation for Bryant, and would actually even be on the positive side of his range of outcomes. However, with all the hype surrounding Bryant’s call-up and his best-prospect-in-baseball status, it’s certainly possible that a career like Glaus’ would be viewed as something of a disappointment. It shouldn’t be.
Bryant is the best prospect in baseball, but prospect status isn’t rated solely by potential peak performance, at least not on any list you should take seriously. Prospect status should be mostly about balancing risk and reward, and Bryant grades out exceptionally highly because of the very low risk of him being an absolute zero. We don’t know exactly what kind of big leaguer he will be, but the odds of Bryant being completely useless are extremely low. This risk/reward profile makes Bryant a better value proposition than a guy like Byron Buxton, who has a higher theoretical ceiling but a much lower chance of actually reaching it.
But that nuance often gets lost in the hype, and so much attention has been focused on Bryant’s performances — especially this spring — that it feels like there’s a perception that he’s going to become the best player in the National League in the not too distant future. While that kind of outcome isn’t impossible, it would take some pretty unlikely improvement, either a huge step forward in his contact rate or the development of Alex Gordon-style defense after he moves to the outfield. It could happen, but that should not be what we expect from Bryant; that kind of development is at the far right tail of his possibility distributions curve.
In reality, even Giancarlo Stanton has never really been the best player in his own league. There has always been a slugger with better contact skills (Ryan Braun, Joey Votto, Matt Kemp), an up-the-middle guy having a huge offensive year (Buster Posey, Andrew McCutchen), or a dominating ace (Clayton Kershaw) to somewhat outshine Stanton. When you’re a high-strikeout guy who doesn’t really add a ton of value in the field or on the bases, it’s just very difficult to actually be the very best player in the game, because there are usually guys who can put together great offensive seasons while also contributing on defense or on the bases.
Bryant probably isn’t going to be giving back his offensive value in the field — he’s not Ryan Howard or Adam Dunn — but unless he really takes to the outfield after what seems like an inevitable future move, he’s likely only going to be a significant contributor at the plate. And the strikeouts will make it hard for him to hit enough to be a super-elite player if his value is almost entirely tied to his bat.
But that’s okay. Giancarlo Stanton-lite is still a terrific player. Troy Glaus had a terrific peak at that level for a while, and if that’s the kind of player Bryant is going to become, then the Cubs should be really quite happy. Bryant doesn’t have to become a perennial MVP candidate in order to justify his best-prospect-in-baseball hype, because the enthusiasm is based more around the fact that we can be pretty sure he’s going to be a good big leaguer rather than the idea that he’s definitely going to be a great one.
Bryant may never become a great player. There are holes in his game, and those holes could limit him to simply being an above average regular for a decade or so. But we shouldn’t let that reality obscure the fact that Bryant really is the game’s best prospect right now, as long as we remember that he’s in that position more because of our confidence that he can be a good player than an expectation that he’s going to become a great one.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
“better value proposition than a guy like Byron Buxton, who has a higher theoretical ceiling but a much lower chance of actually reaching it.”
I’m not sure how true this is. Buxton is an 70-grade CF with 80-grade speed. It wouldn’t be entirely surprising if Buxton could do a 2014 Billy Hamilton impression if called up tomorrow. Buxton has a tremendous floor because he is a defense/speed first player.
A front office exec put Buxton’s floor as Tori Hunter, which I don’t really get, but still.
All I got from this is that there exists a front office exec who is an idiot.
That is not a surprise. I’ve rooted for Jim Bowden teams.
Current Torii Hunter? Yeah, that’s believable. Career Torii Hunter: Well, that’s a hell of a floor. His “floor” is going to get HOF votes.
I *am* sure how true this is. It’s completely true. He only played a partial year last year, and it was in A-ball. His OBP was barely north of .310. Of course there’s a lower chance of reaching his ceiling when you compare him to someone who demolished AAA pitching for a full season.
I didn’t say Buxton would kill the ball, but his defense and baserunning can carry him. Billy Hamilton had a .250/.292/.355 line, but was worth 3.7 WAR. It is plausible to imagine Buxton could manage a line around that. Say Bryant can be the good Mark Reynolds or the the good Pedro Alvarez. You are looking at one part of the picture. Buxton doesn’t have hit to be valuable. Bryant does and will.
Your point isn’t really related to what you quoted though. He’s talking about the chance a player hits their ceiling. Buxton might have a Hamilton-like line and might put up 3-4 WAR, but that doesn’t show that he has a chance to reach his ceiling.
Kris Bryant is a TWO TOOL player at best. How is his floor higher? My goodness. The hype surrounding this guy is atrocious.
A 5 tool player – Buxton – is going to have a higher floor than a 2 tool player. If Bryant doesn’t make contact enough to hit for average (which is entirely possible) then his only + tool will be power. He’s slow footed, with a poor glove and an average arm. I’ve never seen a two tool player have so many people drooling over him.
Who pissed in your cheerios this morning?
Yeah that Frank Thomas, he was a zero on the basepaths and no good in the field. HOW GOOD OF A PLAYER COULD HE POSSIBLY BE?!
And that Edgar Martinez, also pretty slow and a freakin’ DH! Loser-town.
(And Paul Molitor! And…)
Frank Thomas struck out 13% of the time for his career.
Frank Thomas had an 80 in hit and 80 in power. Kris Bryant might have an 80 in power, but his hit tool is around a 50. Comparing the two is absurd. One was a pure hitter who had great plate disciplined and rarely struck out. The other is a big swinger who has struck out nearly 30% of his MiLB life.
Rational Fan – Your argument is that a two-tool player ALWAYS has a lower floor than a five-tool player? That’s incredibly stupid. What if the two-tool player’s two tools are hitting and power, tools that he used to bat .400 with 50 homers while drawing a ton of walks in Triple A? And the five-tool player is in Low A, flashing a mild plus in the five tools to go along with bad plate discipline and also he punched his manager one time? You’d still say that the five-tool guy has a higher floor?
Just discussing Bryant versus Buxton, Bryant has already succeeded at a level higher than Buxton has ever played. Buxton has 37 plate appearances above A ball in his career, in which he’s recorded more strike outs than hits. He’s fast, but he’s not Billy Hamilton fast (no one but Billy Hamilton is). Buxton seems like he’ll be a great defensive center fielder, but he could also end up being a good defensive player instead of great. If he’s a good runner, good fielder, awful hitter he’d be a marginal fourth outfielder type. That’s the explanation of how Buxton could fail to be a contributor at the major league level, and why most people would take Bryant’s floor over Buxton’s. Most people would also take Buxton’s upside, great defense, baserunning, and average to go with good power, over Bryant’s.
For the question of unreasonable hype for Bryant . . . is this the first year you’ve paid attention to baseball? To say that anything unusual has happened in Bryant’s coverage totally ignores the hype surrounding Delmon Young, Jason Heyward, Matt Wieters, Stephen Strasburg, Bryce Harper, etc. Top prospects ALWAYS get more hype than their likely performance would grant them.
Cardinal fan alert.
@FloridaRon,
I doubt it. The Cardinals fans I know of fear Kris Bryant to an irrational degree.
I don’t think anyone’s disagreeing Bryant could be a great player, personally. I think the only arguments in this specific thread are coming from people that are tired of hearing so much about a guy who is not the only exciting prospect in baseball, and who is not at all guaranteed for greatness… which, to be fair, was the point of the article.
The part you quoted is fine, as Bryant has realized more of his potential at this particular moment. Buxton’s floor is higher than Bryant’s floor, as the speed and defense will play regardless while prodigious power only matters when you can actually make contact, but on the range of possible outcomes Bryant looks like a safer bet right now.
All I am saying is that I personally would still take Buxton. And I bet there are several GMs that would too. Bryant will be a very good hitter, but that is where all of this value will come from.
I would too, for the record.
Several? I’d guess more than 50% of the leagues general managers would take Buxton. We didn’t see a ton of HR’s for 5-6 years so now baseball is foaming at the mouth in regards to power. If the guy doesn’t make consistent enough contact, he literally won’t help you do anything else. Most overrated and over hyped prospect I’ve seen in my years following baseball.
Carlos Rodon is probably as advanced as Kris Bryant, but it won’t be breaking news on MLB network and Sportscenter when he’s called up. It wasn’t breaking news when he was sent down. Boras has done a hell of a job getting his client attention, but that’s all it is. He’s not even the #1 prospect according to some publications but he’s getting treated like he’s Babe Ruth.
Oh come now. He’s not even the most overhyped slugging 3B in the last 12 months.
Sure, the noise for the last two weeks has been absurd, but the ratio of hype to likelihood of big league stardom for Joey Gallo has been multiples higher than Bryant’s.
Come one David Robot Status:
Everyone thinks Bryant will be a decent major leaguer. As I threw out: Pedro Alvarez is a decent major leaguer and that seems like a lower outcome.
Joey Gallo’s “floor” seems to be Telvin Nash and reasonable ceiling something along the lines of Mark Reynolds.
Not that it matters, Rational Fan, but Scott Boras is Rodon’s agent, too.
Dave is now ruffling the feathers of the Minnesota Twins fans. Bashing Byron Buxton is definitely the best way to do it?
Was supposed to be an!, not an ?.
I think Bryant’s hit tool is largely underrated, I personally think in his prime he is a .300 avg .400 OBP and 40+ homers. Not this year or next year but maybe in 4 years or so. I think Buxtons hit tool is concerning, hitting .240 in HiA doesn’t really sound to appealing to me. By all means he definitely can turn it around because he screams potential. Buxton is a major league player, I just think he’s more of a BJ Upton until he fixes that hit tool.
I’m not seeing a .300 AVG. Bryant profiles as a high strikeout guy. Only 2 players since 1930 have had a season of >= 25% Ks and >= .300 AVG : Ryan Howard (2006) and Bobby Bonds (1970).
It’s possible but extremely unlikely that Kris Bryant will ever hit .300 in a season. Over the last twenty years it has been achieved 879 times (400 PA minimum), but only 5 of those were accomplished with a K% higher than 24%. Those were 28.1% for B.J. Upton in 2007 (.393 BABIP), 27.1% for Carlos Gonzalez in 2013 (.368 BABIP), 26.3% for J.D. Martinez in 2014 (.389 BABIP), 25.7% for Ryan Howard in 2006 (.356 BABIP), and 24.5% for Mo Vaughn in 1997 (.384 BABIP). Given that Bryant is projected for a K-rate somewhere around 30% and seems unlikely to ever get below 24%, the odds are very strongly against him having even one fluke .300 season.
Underrated universally, by the professional scouts that have been watching him for years, as part of their livelihood?
Quite a hunch.
The scout have been underaring how much his average could tank because of a 30% minor league k rate which could translate to 35-40%. When you makesountthat often average will be close to .200 to .240
Not that I’m defending Bryant as a .300 player, because I’m not, but HR don’t factor into BABIP so a player that strikes out 25% of the time and hits 20 HR will have 20 fewer hits than a player that strikes out 25% of the time and hits 40 HR (assuming same amount of AB and BABIP). This is precisely how Chris Davis batted .286 in 2013.
Yea if babip is zero
Great article, Dave. And as a cubs fan, I appreciate u tempering my expectations. On that note, done with breakfast, ready to walk to the ballpark!
Troy Glaus at the HEIGHT of his career mioght be Kris Bryant. Glaus happened to be an elite 3b until injuries started robbing him of his effectiveness in his early 30s. A healthy Bryant will also likely have a better lineup in Chiocago, and his home games are in a ballpark favorable to RH power hitters. One other BIG difference between Glaus and Bryant, Glaus was a dead pull hitter, Bryant has hit absolute bombs to rightcenter when pitchers make mistakes away from him. Bryants minor-league coach, Marty Pevey, said it well-Bryant doesnt HIT the ball to the opposite filed, he DRIVES it there.
This is a strange way of phrasing. Troy Glaus at the height of his career (so what, his 47 homer, 8.2 WAR season?) might be a guy who hasn’t played a single game yet? Glaus hit 30 homers a year for a 10 year stretch. Bryant literally hasn’t done anything yet.
Sounds objective.
Yah, who needs projections when you have this guy? I am ready to throw my money at http://www.MutantBeastProjections.wtf this very moment.
“it would take a minor disaster for him to not be at least reasonably productive for the Cubs in 2015 and beyond”
“Bryant grades out exceptionally highly because of the very low risk of him being an absolute zero”
“the odds of Bryant being completely useless are extremely low”
We get it, the Cubs have a sure thing. The Cubs. Now if you’ll excuse me I’ll be shielding my groin for the next several years.
Why is your groin in danger if Kris Bryant is good? So confused.
Kid has a 100% K rate in the majors… he sucks!
It would be pretty great if he went 0-4 and they sent him down after the game, if only to hear the old-schoolers in his corner turn around and holler about small sample sizes.
In double the sample size now, still 100%!
Striking out at an above-average rate doesn’t preclude a hitter from having an above-average… batting average. Matt Kemp has struck out about 24% of the time, and is a career. 292 hitter.
Very true, and Bryant shares Kemp’s advantage of very rarely hitting infield flies, but the difference is that Bryant projects to strike out on around 30% of his plate appearances rather than 24%.
Kemp was incredibly fast for the majority of his career up to date. Kris Bryant is not. Hope that helps.
Speed is a relatively small component of BABIP. Contact profile is much more significant.
*hope that helps
Agree 100%, it is a very small component. Would never argue otherwise, but it’s a component worth 4-5 points on a BABIP so it clearly matters.
“But we shouldn’t let that reality obscure the fact that Bryant really is the game’s best prospect right now, as long as we remember that he’s in that position more because of our confidence that he can be a good player than an expectation that he’s going to become a great one.”
Uh, in your opinion. I know plenty who would take Correa, Buxton or Urias ahead of him.
You know plenty of who?
Do you talk to these plenty every day? Are they your neighbors? Friends? Acquaintances?
People that are involved with baseball.
Rattling off a list doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
“Trust me, don’t call me out on these things! It’s not just me, it’s…lotsa baseball guys! SMART ones, too! They KNOW the game. Trust me. TRUST ME.”
I couldn’t really care less.
I simply stated that there are plenty of baseball people who prefer those three prospects over Bryant. I know it’s hard for you to understand that because the two tool prospect has been made into the second coming of Babe Ruth by the sports media, but some people prefer guys who can do more than hit the ball a long way.
I was called a moron by having Urias in my top 5 prospects in baseball midway through this past… I wonder where most scouting sites have him now.
Correia is a ++ hitter, + runner, and a + fielder at the most important defensive position not named catcher.
Buxton has near 80 speed, 60 potential power, a 60+ potential hit tool, and an 80 glove/60 arm. Those are better tools than Bryant by a mile.
I have been on the “too many K’s for my liking” train in regards to Bryant since last year. I don’t think you can hit for average and power while striking out 25% of the time on a consistent basis.
And yet the people who make prospect lists, who talk to plenty of people in baseball, all have him top-2.
“I was called a moron by having Urias in my top 5 prospects in baseball midway through this past… I wonder where most scouting sites have him now.”
Yet another unverifiable claim from Rational Fan.
His projection systems crush ours AND his prospect lists crush ours too! But will he share his information and jeopardize his millions from being the Number One Baseball Knowledge Guy? As if!
BIP, you always seem to have a tough time grasping that there is a difference between what Keith Law, Baseball America and actual scouts/front office people think about a player.
As I have stated, the Dodgers would not trade Urias straight up for Bryant today.
Team by team evaluations of individual players vary mightily so why use prospect lists as a basis of analysis? The difference between #10 and #1 on a standard prospect list isn’t worth anything substantial.
He is a Two Tool Player. No one would refute that. A lot of teams would not give a #1-#2 prospect grade to a two tool player. Baseball, once again, is really really hard. The benefit of a 5 tool player is if one or two tools don’t progress and translate, he can still offer value elsewhere. When you are a one dimensional player, as Bryant is, you need to be really great at that to have the same impact. That is less likely, in my opinion.
BIP, do you want me to go back and find the article and post the link here?
There was a discussion about Correa or Urias. I said I had Urias as my best prospect in baseball; the level of success at his age has historically lead to great MLB careers – there aren’t many of them. Others thought I was nuts because he has never seen a lineup 3 times. Fangraphs came out with their top 200 list and he was 4, and ahead of Correa. I commented there and one of the posters acknowledged our discussion if that’ll make you feel better:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fangraphs-top-200-prospect-list/
I had Buxton 1 and Urias 1a. The risk of injury to any young arm would probably force me to put him right behind Buxton. They were the same at the start of last season. I like Rodon, Correa, and Seager more. I liked Jorge Soler more as well. It’s not as if I have Bryant as the 50th best prospect in baseball. His power is 80 – I thought fangraphs shorted the guy. But I don’t think he projects out to be a very good defensive outfielder – he won’t stay at third and he is an average runner, maybe, as of now and as he continues to bulk up his frame he’ll lose even the average status. I’ve always said that his escalated K-Rate has turned me off in terms of him hitting for average so he’s reliant on hitting 40 home runs a year. His power is there, but to me he’s Richie Sexson (who was a good player) Markey Reynolds or Trumbo with better plate discipline.
Rational Fan you ARE A COMPLETE MORON!!! No matter how many times you keep saying that Bryant is a two tool player that doesn’t make it true. He’s a plus defender at 3B and the only reason why people are projecting him to move to the outfield is the Cubs’ vast array of talent in the infield. Have you watched any of the games this weekend? The kid has made every play and has made a few highlight reel stops already.
He also has excellent instincts and above average speed for a 3B and should be good for double digit SBs for the next 5-7 years.
Kris Bryant has never been and will never be a TWO TOOL player. Your claim that he is just shows how incredibly stupid and biased you are. Now STFU and let the adults speak junior.
The Cubs are moving him from 3rd base and you think he’s a plus defender at the position. Unbelievable.
Does he project to be better than teammate Jorge Soler?
Maybe Buxton is a bad comparison but I guess with Buxton it is about him getting hurt and not playing as much – that contributes to the idea that he isn’t quite a sure thing who might not turn out to be anything [though the talent says otherwise] compared to a guy that has just put up numbers ever since he has entered pro ball [but ‘surprisingly’ might be merely a star instead of a superstar].
I get that the projections love him, and had little left to prove in AAA, but I also wonder if the chorus demanding he break camp with the Cubs would have been as loud if he hadn’t had an incredible spring training.
More and more people are on board with the idea that spring stats are almost completely without meaning, but that was also one of the two main arguments used to justify his deserving of a promotion.
To be sure, there would still be a substantial portion of the fan base that would have been behind him even with a less-than-stellar spring. There is some percentage who normally don’t believe in spring stats, but were swayed by Bryant’s numbers, though.
actually he isn’t slow-footed. he stole 15 bases last year and he has a very strong arm. don’t know where you get your info.
At best he’s a 45 with his legs, and that’s right now! When he’s young.
He’ll be a clunker and base clogger in no time.
As for his arm, it’s far from above average at his position. Whether he’s in right field or at 3rd base, his arm grades out towards the middle of the pack if not in the bottom third.
He’s not slow-footed, he doesn’t have a poor glove, and his arm is above average for his position. You’ve placed your pseudonym pretty firmly on the IR.
He doesn’t have a poor glove? They are moving him away from 3rd base because he doesn’t have the glove for the position. He has never played the outfield before, so evaluating his abilities at that position is not all that rational.
He has a poor glove. He was an AVERAGE college defender at San Diego – that translates to a below average big league defender.
The moral of this story is that the Cubs best prospect is Jorge Soler. He is a better baseball player than Bryant. He has a higher ceiling than Bryant. He has more talent than Bryant, yet we he never gets the pub. I’ll never understand a single talent evaluator that thinks Kris Bryant is a better baseball talent than Jorge Soler.
What’s funny, is similarly to Urias, if Bryant is a bust (in terms of his projected value in comparison to his actual value I will say he is a bust) no one will blink an eye or admit to being wrong in their assessments. They will state the volatility of prospect rankings and that’s that. The Bryant hype has been absurd, and over the top. I know several players who do not take too kindly to rookies who have accomplished nothing receiving this level of praise.
We’re all going to be reminded shortly that MLB advanced scouts and MLB pitchers are really, really, really good.
The Bryant hype has been what it has been in large part because he’s performed. Whether correct or not, it’s natural for fans, who cannot scout, or translate tools into performance, to see a guy like Buxton, whose numbers are not impressive, and wonder if he’s worth the hype. Then we see Bryant have a .700 SLG in AAA and homer every other at bat in spring, and the hype is pretty obvious.
OK. I”ve identified Rational fan. He’s Dusty Baker. His use of “base clogger” is giving this cubs fan horrifying flash backs.
dale,
Kris Bryant is slow footed. Anybody can steal 10 SB in the majors if they try. Yadier Molina stole 12 bases in 2012…and the fleet footed Carlton Fisk stole 17 bases in a season TWICE and stole 10 or more bases in a season FOUR TIMES.
Stolen bases do not necessarily indicate foot speed.
Kris Bryant’s defense grades out at a 4 after making that web gem at 3B today. I don’t think I could hit a 96 mph fastball as good as Kris. This kid will only get better defensively and his speed is underrated. I think he’ll adjust to the off speed stuff and his K rate will hoover right around 20-22 percent.
haha does this trolling usually bother people? If I cared about some guy pretending to post as me on fangraphs I’d probably kill myself, and/or register the name. Glad I could get in your head enough to make you do this though.
Nice try. Must be a boring day in the basement.
Jesus at least get rid of the avatar if you want impersonate me.
Side bar, how long should your butt bleed after sex?
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Bryant is a low risk talent.
I find no reason whatsoever to think that Bryant’s K rate settle in at 20-22%. I think a fairly optimistic view would be around 28-30%. I think a realistic view is somewhere around 33-35%, maybe more given his contact levels in the minors.
If your expectation is only that he’ll be above-average for a few years then he shouldn’t be rated as the top prospect, and fans would be right to be disappointed. I’m sorry that hype is a thing but it is, and merely above-average guys don’t have billboards outside the park before they’ve even played in MLB.
I think this is the problem with expectations now a days. Every player is expected to be the next Trout or Bryce and it isn’t reasonable in the least. If you get a guy who will be a above average power hitting 3rd basemen for years you put that in the win column.
the thing that people dont seem to understand is that he was the number 1 prospect because everyone else in the minors projects to be worse not because hes supposed to befome a hall if famer.
Based off size, skill, handedness, college performance, minor league performance, position, and award history…the perfect Kris Bryant comp is…
…Pat Burrell.
NCAA stats
Kris Bryant (172 games):
196 R, 54 HR, 155 RBI, 34 SB, 138 BB, 137 SO, .353 BA, .702 SLG
Pat Burrell (162 games):
198 R, 61 HR, 187 RBI, 25 SB, 170 BB, 94 SO, .442 BA. .886 SLG
Minor League stats
Kris Bryant (181 games)
147 R, 55 HR, 152 RBI, 18 SB, .327 BA
Pat Burrell (220 games)
155 R, 43 HR, 161 RBI, 6 SB, .304 BA
well no, because they used a much, much different metal bat back then. College baseball was entirely powerless in recent years, until they changed the baseballs this year.
I find myself wondering why you chose different stats to compare in different leagues. Could you possibly be being dishonest and trying to manipulate what you present to make your point?
Why on earth would you quote MiLB rbi, run, HR, and BA #s?
Votto is below league average for contact % so great example.
Only all of the White Sox suck more than Votto.
Get a life.
Ironic.
3 guys, or one guy, posting 3 times impersonating another poster is gold Jerry. Gold! It was clever to pretend that I cared about your imitation. There could be 100 Rational Fans, but my level of knowledge and arrogance simply can’t be matched.
White Sox offense has been atrocious before today, so I’d guess their entire team was right around there in awfulness.
The irony is two dopes that aren’t me saying get a life talking to each other. The real Rational Fans only post in the morning from the office, and late at night after the woman is in bed.
Apparently Bryant is only the 18th player in the last 100 years to reach base 5 times in one of the first two games in the majors.
Today, Kris Bryant adjusted, and it meant three walks. Plus a couple singles – a blooper to center on which he alertly took second base when the throw went to third, and a chopper in the infield that looked like a sure out (when I said Bryant can’t run I now take back my words….this cat can run).
Theo and Jed need to make the call for Addison. 2nd base is wasting away at Wrigley. Bat him in the 2 hole and don’t look back. This team is going to be contending sooner rather than later.
Y’all need to check your selves at the Fangraphs door. Do you understand what fangraphs is? It’s a website that uses metrics along with scouting to evaluate and project players. Every projection tool has a favorable outcome for Bryant, all scouts have a favorable outcome for him. Favorable means a useful major leaguer (in this case a bit more), not the next Trout. Quit scouting the stat line and understand what you are reading. Cameron IS tempering expectations, because the “scouting the stat line” people (both for and against) make Bryant out to be the Babe, or Mark Reynolds. Buxtons probably gonna be good, Yay! In a year multiple fangraphs articles will have the exact same discussion about him as Bryant. You homers need to quit being such homers.
Hate the computer not the player!
That Bryant is overhyped says nothing about how he should be rated. Had he missed a bit more time and not easily led ST in home runs, and had he played for, say Cleveland instead of the Cubs, he’d get much less play. His ascendancy fits will into the woeful-Cubs narrative, which the media and the public eat up. No reason to hold that against him.
Interesting to note how Bryant has already dethroned Jose Abreu as best baseball player in town. Abreu had one of the best rookie seasons ever but really all he was doing last year was pulling his best Kris Bryant imitation- poser.
What does everyone think of Kris Bryant now, I wonder? Ahem.
Seriously, it’s a bummer that new comments don’t push this back to the top. What do people think of Bryant with his up and down, and now up again, season?