Kyle Schwarber Is Who We Thought He Was

In some circles, Kyle Schwarber has reached mythical proportions. Nor is the rise of his legend entirely unreasonable. Consider some of his exploits to date. He reached the majors just a year after being drafted and proceeded to record 16 homers in less than half a season. He hit a monster home run that helped clinched a playoff series against the rival Cardinals in 2015. Then, after missing the entire 2016 season with knee surgery, he returned for the World Series and reached base in half of his plate appearances, the Cubs winning three of the four games he started. He’s still just 25.

In the nearly two years since that epic series, however, Schwarber has failed to live up to the hype. That said, he’s basically also fulfilled the expectations evaluators had for him as a prospect. Back before the 2015 season, this is what Kiley McDaniel had to say about Schwarber’s future.

When I first saw Schwarber last summer on a loaded college Team USA, I thought the middle linebacker-looking dude wasn’t a good bet to stick at catcher, but he was surprisingly nimble for his size with enough ability to at least consider it. I wrote that he was good enough back there to allow him to play there in the minors and develop him as a potential backup that plays once or twice a week but is a primary at left field or first base. The Cubs took him #4 overall out of Indiana and agree with my defensive suggestion; they’ll develop him as a catcher this year, but most assume his bat will be ready before his glove, meaning he’ll be a part-time catcher at best. There’s legit 30 homer power and surprising feel to hit with a realistic chance for a big league look in late 2016.

At the time, McDaniel gave Schwarber a 60 future-value grade, or roughly the equivalent of a three-win player. Nearly 1,200 plate appearances into Schwarber’s career, he’s put up a 112 wRC+ and 5.8 WAR. He has been, in other words, basically a three-win player thus far in his career. Yes, lot of his value came in that rookie season and, yes, last season might be regarded as a disappointment; however, much of his struggles last year were due to bad luck, and he’s played pretty well this season.

The table below shows Schwarber’s xwOBA (based on launch angle and exit velocity) compared to his actual wOBA figures over the past two seasons.

Kyle Schwarber xwOBA and wOBA By Month
Month xwOBA wOBA
April 2017 .326 .302
May 2017 .359 .249
June 2017 .356 .340
July 2017 .394 .387
August 2017 .324 .361
September 2017 .366 .390
April 2018 .396 .404
May 2018 .357 .342
June 2018 .366 .340
July 2018 .334 .313
August 2018 .375 .283
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

Schwarber had a bad two months’ worth of results at the beginning of last season, but he was making decent contact. By xwOBA, his hitting has been pretty consistent, never descending lower than .324 in any month, with a high of .396 in April this season. A few loud outs or beneficial homers with the wind blowing out can change the results pretty drastically over a small sample size. Take this month, for example. In the Cubs’ series against the Nationals, Schwarber hit a warning-track fly ball for an out that is almost always a home run in normal conditions. The following day, he hit a scorching line drive on which Michael Taylor made a diving catch. If Schwarber had a home run and a double on those two plays instead of two outs, his August numbers would be .317/.364/.512. Instead, by pure results, he looks like he’s slumping.

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All of this is to say that Schwarber is a solidly above-average hitter. The 114 wRC+ this season, the 112 wRC+ for his career, and the 116 wRC+ projection for the rest of the season all say the same thing: Schwarber is good. The only thing really preventing Schwarber from earning a 60 on the scouting scale right now are some struggles against left-handed pitching. For his career, he has a 64 wRC+ against lefties and a 125 wRC+ when he has the platoon advantage. His numbers this season are similar by those measures: 77 wRC+ against lefties, 122 wRC+ against righties. With only 200 career PA against lefties, though, it is still very early in the 25-year-old’s career. It can take time for lefties to become competent against same-handed pitching.

I asked McDaniel about his prospect evaluation of Schwarber. He said he probably expected more from the bat and the occasional appearance at catcher. He said he would probably call Schwarber a present 55, future 60, and said of hitting lefties that it’s “a concern, but usually pure hitters figure it out,” Schwarber’s projections put him right in that 55/60, 2.5-3.0 WAR range that was initially expected of him when he came up. There’s still a bit more potential in there that Schwarber could unlock as he evolves as a hitter, but right now, he’s pretty close to reasonable expectations.

As for his defense, Schwarber has proved athletic enough to be okay in left field. Those who, earlier in the year, optimistically cited Schwarber’s defensive metrics as evidence of improvement would probably take the opportunity to revise their statements at this point. Schwarber’s early-season numbers were propped up by eight outfield assists in the Cubs’ first 76 games. His nine assists on the season are still propping his defensive numbers, but his range is back in the average range (by UZR) to below-average range (by DRS). Statcast’s Outs Above Average metrics has Schwarber at -8, which is precisely the mark he earned a year ago. With his strong arm — which produced good numbers by UZR last year as well — he probably remains average to below in left. He’ll end up with good numbers this season because of all those assists, but it probably isn’t reasonable to expect the same going forward.

Schwarber is still an intriguing player. He can handle a corner-outfield spot, and his bat does well enough to make him a regular player at the position. At 25 years old and with fewer than 2,000 professional plate appearances, there’s still room for growth. We shouldn’t expect Schwarber to become a superstar because that was never a reasonable expectation. He’s a good player now and could be a better one in the future. Expectations have varied wildly, but he’s having a solid pro career, and that’s right in line with what should have been expected.





Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.

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radiohead
8 years ago

Something tells me that Dave Cameron made you publish this article…

Matt
8 years ago
Reply to  radiohead

Although they may want to revise some of those “Schwarber vs Altherr” articles from early last year…

Kevbot034
8 years ago

The low average still surprises me some, but I don’t know why. I guess I just looked at the surface stats for his minor league numbers without any other thought behind it – usually a lesson in failure.

second-pot
8 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

He was scouted with a 60 hit tool. Maybe some of those scouts were incorporating his eye, since we don’t have a separate “tool grade” for that, but he was supposed to be hitting more than he is.

cubsker
8 years ago

Always feels like there’s more in there with the bat with him.

emh1969
8 years ago

Why is he considered a disappointment?

I would guess it has to do with being the #4 overall pick and destroying minor league pitching to the tune of .334/.432/.619.

Plus, he hasn’t really developed as a hitter. His numbers as a 25 year old are basically the same as when he was 22.

BTW, Baseball Reference has him with only 2.6 career WAR. Much of the difference is defense but some of it it hitting.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Yeah, it’s not really confusing where the expectations came from. They came from his bat in the minors and the early majors — after his 2015 half-season-ish where he put up a wRC+ of 131 people saw him as a 130-140 wRC+ guy (i.e. a monster) rather than a 110-115 wRC+ guy (i.e. a nothing-special regular, especially with his glove).

Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago

I think he is an adam dunn type. Good power and walk rate but Ks and more of a 250 hitter. Coupled with his defense that is a 2.5 to 3 win player.

Matt BertelliMember since 2016
8 years ago

Did we let him off the hook?

mookie monster
8 years ago

I think he lost a lot of Chicago folk-hero potential when he slimmed down this year. Big mistake!

BStahlman
8 years ago

My problem w/ Schwarber has to do w/ Madden’s use of him…won’t play him vs. leftys, platoons him in the OF, so yeah, he has skills but they don’t do you much good on the bench where he spends far too much time. I’d much rather see him play regularly and let him learn to hit lefty’s, etc.

Sleepy
8 years ago
Reply to  BStahlman
RonnieDobbs
8 years ago

Schwarber is an above average producer, but I don’t think he is a very good hitter. I am thinking of what we call a hit tool. He exemplifies modern metrics by taking walks and hitting HR, but there is a lot missing in between the one-size-fits-all analysis. I don’t doubt that the pendulum will swing in a different direction someday and I would wager that it won’t paint such a rosy picture of Schwarber or players like him. I think that’s one reason people got so excited is that in an over-simplistic view of baseball outcomes, he looks a bit like a star… the problem with that is that you have to completely look past AVG which is a huge mistake. I have read a bit about attempts to find a consistency metric without much success, just roughly using AVG is about as good as there is. I find it hilarious that AVG is kind of blackballed, but it is the huge missing piece of modern analysis. Its like the community wants to go so far to suppress it that they are now missing the value.

Chaise Kahlenbeck
8 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

do you know what site you’re on? also, did you read the article above about how he provides value?

onceindc
8 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

Would you like to see him incorporate more chewing tobacco and handlebar mustache into his game as well?

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago

That is hilarious that outfield assists can prop up defensive value. I am defensive metric critic #1 and even I didn’t think they would be that crude. Outfield assists are kind of like interceptions in football – you don’t even throw the ball in Deion Sanders’ direction, so he doesn’t get interceptions. The guys who get assists in baseball are largely because everyone challenges them – it actually means they are bad more often than not. How often did people run on Ichiro? Does that make him bad because people don’t attempt it? Even more likely is the situation where an OF doesn’t get the ball quickly or take a great angle and prompts a challenge. Especially when you consider that there may not even be a penalty for not throwing a guy out – it doesn’t generate anything in the box score or play-log – it is just advancing a base, so it is probably not even an input. In any case, the Cubs don’t think LF defense is worth much and I tend to agree. I also wouldn’t mistake LF for a corner OF spot especially in the same paragraph as assists – if you were going to compare throwing arms of LF v RF, do you think it would be the same? Spoiler alert – it wouldn’t. Whenever I learn a bit about a model for a predicted stat or a defensive or base-running metric I try to do my part to make them better. Sorry if it sounds like I am calling out the author – I know this stuff already exists.

Psychic... Powerless...
8 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

How can you possibly be a metric’s #1 critic when you admit to not knowing how it’s calculated?

Hank G.Member since 2016
8 years ago

It’s a lot easier to criticize something when you don’t understand it.

ballskwokMember since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

The metrics (both UZR and DRS as far as I know) factor in both actual assists and how often runners attempt to take an extra base against a fielder.

onceindc
8 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

If Ronnie doesn’t know it then it didn’t happen….the derp is strong with this one..

oozyalbies1
8 years ago

Look at those results! Line drives be damned. He should get back to bunting with 2 strikes.

cubsker
8 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

He tried recently….strike 3.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
8 years ago

What I found really impressive is how he missed almost the whole year in 2016 came in cold to face peak Andrew Miller in the World Series and battled to a 10 pitch AB or something and then reached base. I figured only a special lefty hitter could do that like Bryce Harper or Josh Hamilton when they first came up. He hasn’t gotten any better as a hitter though. Defense yes.

sgp2204
8 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

That was 1 at-bat…

Chill
8 years ago

As a catcher, Schwarber’s bat would be special. As an average defensive corner outfielder, his bat is merely solid. Therein lies the cause of the perceived disappointment.

davemascera
8 years ago

He really isn’t. He was hyped up a lot more than he has produced this season, and a large part of the hype was that he was supposed to begin doing BETTER than this YOUNGER than this (and was thus projected to be doing even better than THAT, NOW). This site has an obsession over Schwarber, there are FAR too many articles about him and he is not particularly interesting.

He has a lot of holes in his swing and that will always make him prone to a bad season or slump.

j27roenick
8 years ago

Cubs fan here who watches every game (or rather, I record every game and FF to the result of every PA … I have two young children and this is the only option I have). I wholeheartedly disagree with the people who think he’s below average on defense. Joe often uses Happ as a defensive replacement for Schwarber with a lead late in games, and I actually feel less comfortable with him in LF than I do with Kyle.

There is this misperception out there that he’s the same guy who embarrassed himself during the 2015 NLCS against the Mets, which just isn’t the case. He was a C all his life and is still learning LF. And he still has his moments of lumberjack-ness that get shown on blooper reels. But his routes have drastically improved as he’s gotten further away from his ACL tear and his arm is a real asset. People were running on him early in the season, I believe, because of his “reputation”, which led to him racking up those OF assists mentioned in the article. There have been 4-5 instances offhand I can think of recently where guys were thinking about going for a double on a ball in the corner or off the wall, and then thought better of it and scampered back to first. So, no, he’s probably not going to finish with 20 OF assists to end the year, but that’s only because the league is finally starting to respect him a bit out there.

The other thing about this is, comparatively speaking, there just aren’t many great defensive LFs in MLB right now. Look around the league. In the past 2 seasons, there are 27 LFs (or part-time LFs) who have gotten at least 800 PAs. Where are the guys who are good? Let’s put them into tiers (DRS, 2017-2018):

Khris Davis Throwing Arm Division
Khris Davis -33.5

Lumberjacks Playing the Outfield How You’d Expect Division
Matt Kemp -21.3
Rhys Hoskins -15.8
Trey Mancini -28.4
Joey Gallo -9.9

Will Be Retiring Soon Division
Curtis Granderson -10
Melky Cabrera -21.6
Denard Span -13.3

Athletic Guys Playing the Outfield Worse than You’d Expect Division
Michael Brantley -15.7
Derek Dietrich -15
Josh Reddick -8.8
Justin Upton -8.1
Andrew Benintendi -6.9
David Peralta -6.4
Corey Dickerson -5.9
Eddie Rosario -5.3

Rockies Gave Up the 11th Pick to Play Me in the Outfield for Some Reason Division
Ian Desmond -15.1

Khris Davis Makes My Arm Look Strong By Comparison Division
Marcell Ozuna -6.9

Athletic Guys Playing the Outfield About How You’d Expect Division
Brett Gardner 6.3
Jon Jay 2.2
Tommy Pham 5.5

Utility Players Who Sometimes Play Left Field Division
Marwin Gonzalez -6.1
Ben Zobrist 4.5

Lumberjacks Playing the Outfield Better than You’d Expect Division
Michael Conforto -1.6
Kyle Schwarber 2.2
Adam Duvall -1.3

My Glove is What Keeps Me in the Lineup Division
Alex Gordon 8.3

There are only 6 LFs with positive DRS numbers during that span, with Schwarber coming in at No. 6. And of the 5 guys ahead of him (Gordon, Gardner, Pham, Zobrist, Jay), Zobrist barely plays LF at all, Pham just moved there because of the trade, and Gordon and Gardner are regarded as GG-caliber LFs. Jon Jay is Jon Jay, if that makes sense.

And this is a guy still learning the position and coming off an ACL tear. Pretty good for a lumberjack. Although I’m sure most Cubs fans like me are still dreaming on more lumberjack-ness at the dish in the coming years.

John Autin
8 years ago
Reply to  j27roenick

Excellent comment. These would make fun division names when MLB realigns.

But just fyi, Conforto is nothing like a lumberjack, not by body type or anything else.

j27roenick
8 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

He is a lumberjack solely looking by RC+. But I had difficulty with placing a few guys, and he was one of them. I should have given him his own category. Likely to Be Traded for Pennies on the Dollar Five Years from Now Division

John Autin
8 years ago

Here’s a fact I haven’t heard discussed, though maybe it is in Cubsland:
— Schwarber has a career .182 BA with runners in scoring position.

During his career, out of 281 players with 250+ PAs with RISP:
— His .182 BA is next-to-last.
— His .667 OPS is #257.
— His OBP is #231, even with a fairly high walk rate.

It’s a smallish sample, 288 PAs. But his deficits in BA and OPS (for RISP vs. overall) are the largest of all those guys. In all non-RISP situations, he’s hit .244 / .854. (And remember that BA tends to go UP with RISP, mainly due to sac flies. Schwarber has just 3 sac flies, and has delivered a runner from 3rd with less than 2 out at half the MLB rate.)

And pretty much all his “clutch” indicators are terrible. His high leverage BA and SO% are both bottom-10, and his OBP is bottom-20. Both his SO and BB rates are much worse in those spots than otherwise.

Not trying to dredge up the general canard of clutch hitting. But I do believe there are guys who “can be pitched to” in clutch spots. His tremendous postseason line may suggest otherwise, but even there, the WPA is less than you’d expect for those totals.

ballskwokMember since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Schwarber belongs at the top of the order in my opinion. Not even necessarily because of this, but because he’s an on base machine against RHP who sees tons of pitches and makes pitchers work. When he bats 6th (as he has done most of this year) he’s less likely to face a RH starter a third time and more likely to see a LHRP. He’s also more likely to get walked and stranded by the bottom of the lineup, especially with the pitcher batting 8th (which has been a problem since the ASB).

A fun fact I looked up last night. Mike Trout leads the majors in IBB the season at 20. Schwarber is second at 15, tied with Machado. Jose Ramirez and Harper are next with 13. That tells you that pitchers don’t want to face Schwarber, but also maybe tells you that he’s just getting walked frequently at the bottom of the order to face weaker hitters.

sgp2204
8 years ago
Reply to  ballskwok

“That tells you that pitchers don’t want to face Schwarber, but also maybe tells you that he’s just getting walked frequently at the bottom of the order to face weaker hitters.”

I think you’d need to look at who was hitting after him in those instances. I’d venture a guess that your second conclusion is the more likely one.

Mahoney
8 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

His splits against “power” pitchers (baseball ref) are similar to his high-leverage totals, so his “unclutchness” there could be driven in part by the higher proportion of power pitchers in late/close relief roles.

His stats with RISP, on the other hand, are a bit harder to explain.

Michaer
8 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Although you are using his entire career, I still choose to blame Chili Davis.

John Autin
8 years ago

The “we” in this headline obviously means objective talent evaluators. But mainstream expectations were well above “3-win player.”

And it seems like the Cubs front office had higher expectations, given how they basically marked him “untradeable” leading up to the 2016 deadline. I don’t know of specific offers they rejected, but it was a very hot topic at that time, and clearly they valued his future more than the steep price they paid for the Chapman rental.

GoatHerderMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I don’t remember if there was a specific offer on the table, but I recall there being rumors of Schwarber for Andrew Miller trade instead of the Chapman deal in 2016.

As a Cub fan, I can’t really 2nd guess any decision leading up to WS win but . . . Schwarber might be one of them. From drafting him over Aaron Nola to not trading him versus trading some of the other talent (eloy/gleybor). But hey, my 20/20 hindsight vision still see a World Series trophy very clearly. All’s well that ends well.

johnforthegiants
8 years ago

Anyone associated with the 2015-6 cubs was generally colossally overrated for this time because of sociological reasons unrelated to their actial ability. Remember ‘this is how dynasties begin’? Schwarber was just one example of this. I was toundly booed hete for pointing this out at the time and i’ll be roundly booed here for pointing this out now.

johnforthegiants
8 years ago

Hee hee hee. Told you

LHPSU
8 years ago

Given how the Giants are doing at present, I refrain from downvoting you out of mercy.

johnforthegiants
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Actually i thought this site was supposed to be about how insightful our comments are, not how well the teams we root for are doing. The whole point of this article was to comment on the result of unrealistic wishful thinking on the part of people whose partisanship for the cubs clouded their objectivity.

LHPSU
8 years ago

Well, I thought talking about the Giants would be less hurtful than talking about how insightful your comments are.

374285942768
8 years ago

remember when this website argued aaron altherr was a better player

sgp2204
8 years ago

“Kyle Schwarber is meeting all reasonable expectations. Why does he sometimes feel like a disappointment anyway?”

That’s a simple answer. You’ve listened to too many Cubs fans talk about him like he’s a Hall of Famer since the day he stepped foot on a major league field. If it wasn’t for the constant, SIGNIFICANT overhyping, more people would probably appreciate him for what he actually is rather than leaving with a disappointed feeling.