Let’s Do the Math on Miguel Montero and Jake Arrieta

*Update: Miguel Montero will be designated for assignment, according to Jesse Rogers of ESPN Chicago.

The Cubs had a rough evening in Washington on Tuesday.

Yes, Trea Turner can really run, as verified by the latest Statcast tool — Sprint Speed — available to the masses. (Turner is the right-most purple dot in the chart below.)

But the Cubs lost complete control of the running game last night, allowing a total of seven stolen bases (including four to Turner alone) in a 6-1 loss to Washington.

Cubs catcher Miguel Montero has never shied away from criticizing a battery mate, notably Trevor Bauer in Arizona. He was at it again after last night’s game, directing blame toward starting pitcher Jake Arrieta.

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I am hopeful that Montero is someday asked to give a Ted Talk on leadership and managing relationships in a clubhouse. He is certainly candid if not accountable. Montero’s decision to direct blame elsewhere seems suspect since he has thrown out just one of 31 potential base-stealers this season. According to Statcast pop-time data, Montero is tied for 52nd among 52 qualified catcher with an average pop time of 2.12 seconds*. The league average is two seconds. Austin Hedges leads the majors with a 1.88 time. Fellow Cubs catcher Willson Contreras (1.93 seconds) ranks eighth.

*Among catchers who’ve had at least five steal attempts of second base against them this season.

As for pitchers, Baseball America’s J.J. Cooper wrote a great piece back in 2012 on the importance of fractions of seconds in the run game. Generally speaking, pitchers with times of 1.3 seconds and quicker to home are going to slow the run game, while anything above 1.5 seconds is going to entice teams to run. As such, a battery is generally looking to record a total time of 3.3 seconds or less. That should prevent most baserunners from stealing. Between 3.3 and 3.5 seconds is average. Above 3.5 seconds is likely to be a problem.

While Montero has struggled mightily and while he has declined to his current status as one of the poorest catch-and-throw receivers in the game, did he have a point last night? (Even if he broke from the norm of not criticizing a teammate.)

Did Montero have a chance last night in Washington?

Let’s investigate. Thanks to the wonders of video editing tools I was able to break down to a hundredth of a second the moments at which Arrieta released his pitches last night and when Montero received them.

Steal No. 1

Arrieta’s time to home: 1.55 seconds
Montero’s pop time: 2.03 seconds
Total: 3.58 seconds (Slow)

That’s actually a good pop time for Montero, but still below league average (and the throw bounced into second). But in defense of Montero, Arrieta was — and generally is — slow to the plate and continued to be for the remainder of the night.

Steal No. 2

Arrieta’s time to home: 1.68 seconds
Montero pop time: N/A
Total: N/A

Montero had no shot here, as Arrieta was exceptionally slow to the plate.

Steal No. 3

Arrieta’s time to home: 1.58 seconds
Montero’s pop time: No throw
Total: N/A

Not only was Arrieta slow to the plate, but he missed location here, forcing Montero to reach across his body and catch a ball nearly in the dirt. He had no chance against Turner, who runs and slides gracefully, like a plane touching down on a runway.

Steal No. 4

Arrieta’s time to home: 1.50 seconds
Montreo’s pop time: No throw
Total: N/A

Even against a well located fastball, Turner steals third without a throw.

Steal No. 5

Arrieta’s time to home: 1.72 seconds
Montero’s pop time: 2.15 seconds
Total: 3.87 seconds (Slow)

By now, I assume everyone in the Nationals lineup has a green light, and Anthony Rendon takes off here against the Arrieta-Montero battery. This is an impossibly slow time from Arrieta, and even though Montero might have been helped slightly by an elevated location, the pitch is well out of the zone and he needs 2.15 seconds to glove and throw to second.

Steal No. 6

Arrieta’s time to home: 1.65 seconds
Montero’s pop time: No throw
Total: N/A

With a runner on third, Arrieta doesn’t seem particularly concerned with the running game.

Steal No.7

Arrieta’s time to home: 1.54 seconds
Montero’s pop time: 1.72 seconds
Total: 3.26 second (third base, though)

This is a throw to third, so the pop time cannot be compared to the standards established above, but again, the Cubs were failing to meet the demands of the stopwatch to slow the running game.

*****

The results here aren’t great. Seven stolen-base attempts, four of which didn’t even draw throws, two others that were slow relative to league average, and one that appeared slow for third base. In no case did Arrieta record a time to the plate below 1.5 seconds. Even if Montero had recorded an average pop time in every case, the pair would have produced a time of 3.5 seconds or worse each time. Below average every time, in other words.

Nor is this much of a surprise: Arrieta has always been slow to the plate. When he’s pitching, 17% of base-stealers have been caught, compared to a 28% league-average rate during his career. This season, only 12% of base-stealers have been caught when Arrieta has been on the mound.

It underscores the importance of time to the plate as Jon Lester, and his well-known battles with the yips, controls the run game vastly better in part due to a quick time to the plate. When Montero has been catching anyone, a paltry 3% of base-stealers have been caught. Montero’s arm has declined significantly, as he led the league in caught-stealing percentage (40%) as recently as 2011, though that rate fell has fallen each year since 2012 (42%) to 20% in 2015 and 11% last season.

We can do the math, and it suggests and Montero and Arrieta should not be working together.





A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.

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dtpollittMember since 2016
9 years ago

Annnnnnnnd Theo DFAed him.

Jim HMember since 2016🏆 MVP
9 years ago
Reply to  dtpollitt

What was Theo’s pop time on that DFA?

sabrtooth
9 years ago
Reply to  Jim H

Bless you for this comment. You win.

HughesMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Jim H

I’m not sure, but he’s slower than Travis.

dustin0224
9 years ago
Reply to  Jim H

Like 12 hours. So basically faster than Montero’s.

Member since 2016
9 years ago

I guess the Cubs agree with your final sentence, as Montero has been DFA’d.

dtpollittMember since 2016
9 years ago

Miguel was also the one who bitched about playing time ON THE DAY OF THE PARADE. He probably shoulda kept his complaining in the clubhouse and not to the media. I think your piece is very good–and shows why Lester is much better at managing the running game than Arrieta is. Miggy has a decent point, but Contreras is the catcher 70% of the time with the same staff and has a much better success rate. Miggy is old, and now, a FA.

Psychic... Powerless...
9 years ago
Reply to  dtpollitt

Agree with your point about the parade, but unless I’m mistaken the Cubs can try to trade him before he becomes a free agent.

dtpollittMember since 2016
9 years ago

Good point, I’m sure that’s correct.

Sammy Sooser
9 years ago

Bye Felicia!

dunkr4790
9 years ago

#3 was a delayed steal (you can see Turner shuffle once before the gif cuts to the pitch), so that + bad location made it seem like Montero never saw him running.

Don’t know if there’s any clips online of the replays, but Baez was also a little slow getting to 2nd on that play.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

You’re not wrong, Miguel, you’re just an asshole.

RyanMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Calmer than you are.

Fireballs
9 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

I’m just gonna sit here and finish my career.

The Ghost of Stephen Drews BatMember since 2026
9 years ago

This piece is great and all but two things:

a) On Steal #5, who swung at that pitch?
b) Where’s the Jeff article on that swing alone and why that swing should be in the record books as “One of the Ugliest Ever”

YKnotDisco
9 years ago

A) Wieters
B) Hit-N-Run?

Ryan DCMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

Commentators were saying it was a hit and run

southie
9 years ago
Reply to  Ryan DC

I used that excuse all the time in little league. I was batting .000 on “hit and runs”.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

Jeez, what happened to Montero’s defense? I just jetted over to his page to see how he was doing behind the plate, and his defensive numbers really fell off last year. Is this all due to pop times? Or is he just not quite agile enough to handle catching anymore? I hopped over to Statcorner and it looks like he’s now a league-average framer too, after being very good last year.

JoserMember since 2021
9 years ago

I love this analysis. Sixty-frame-per-second video is a wonderful thing. (Though a minor quibble: thanks to the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem, the temporal resolution for any given event is just a thirtieth of a second — since the actual instance of the event might fall between/across two consecutive frames. So we can really only break the video down to about three hundredths of a second, and that’s the base error bar for these calculations. Not that it has any effect on the conclusion.)

drewcorbMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Joser

I for one was shocked that the author didn’t mention the Nyquist-Shannon theorem.

JoserMember since 2021
9 years ago
Reply to  drewcorb

I know, right? Always try to work it into your articles and cocktail party conversations.

John Autin
9 years ago

One tangent: The 7 SB had little effect on the outcome, creating one extra run, if you reconstruct every inning minus the steals and with everything else going the same.

Another: Frustration and discord on a struggling team is another factor the “dynasty” predictors failed to anticipate. Every team has players with one eye on their next contract, vulnerable to the anxiety of underperformance. Montero was one; Arrieta and Lackey are in the same boat. Theo was right to act so decisively, but further developments bear watching.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

But you can’t say that. Everything else might have not gone the same. Changing the base/out state changes how the defense is set up. It changes what pitches are thrown. It changes the batter’s plan at the plate. Hell, the success or failure of the running game changes base running decisions made later in the game.

John Autin
9 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Of course. But you can’t simply assume that the steals *helped* the Nats’ subsequent results. Maybe the *threat* of a steal would have contributed to a 3-run HR, especially if Arrieta had tried to rush his delivery.

All I’m really saying is, it’s a 6-1 game; the Nats got 17 men on base, the Cubs 4. Washington scored 2 in an inning with no steals, and their other 2-run frame saw 5 men reach safely. Baserunning was a tiny factor.

johnforthegiants
9 years ago

FWIW, in 2016-7 Arrieta has been by far the worst pitcher in the major leagues in terms of rSB, however this is calculated, with a rating of -5 (no other pitcher is worse than -2, although it is perhaps significant that two of the five -2 pitchers are Lackey and Hammel):

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=p&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2017&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=5,a

Sonny LMember since 2017
9 years ago

I don’t think it was his intention when Montero used “I” throughout his statement but it is relevant. The throws above, almost without exception, are slow and off target. Montero is right that HE has no chance to catch any base stealers with Arrieta’s delivery times. That doesn’t mean the collective of MLB catchers couldn’t work with Arrieta and keep this type of thing from happening.

Montero effectively made the case that he is was no longer capable of performing his job at an acceptable level. The Cubs took him at his word and DFA’d him.

gaius marius
9 years ago

i think you really have to question Maddon as well. He has to know he has one of the slowest deliveries in baseball in Arrieta, and a catcher who can’t throw out an average baserunner even on a good day. Why on earth would you pair those two? The platoon advantage offered by Miggy over Contreras cannot be that large.

Deacon DrakeMember since 2017
9 years ago

Montero’s arm is REALLY shot, to the point he has altered his receiving mechanics to get more velocity. His shoulders are square to 2nd base (at best) when he receives the pitch, but he has to pivot his whole body 90 degrees to generate the 1.21 GigaWa… i mean, necessary power to get a throw near 2nd base. Check out how fluid McCann receives the ball, as so that he is already opening up, then doesn’t completely pivot the torso to load the throw. Sure, 80 mph isn’t awesome, but it was quick and on target. Montero can barely get to 80 if he puts his whole body into it like an outfielder going for a play at the plate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KncGBEr5Bd8

After Turner got the first SB, the rest were completely psychological.

jim fetterolf
9 years ago

So we realize that a catcher’s CS percentage tells just a part of the story. Montero is bad, Arrieta is bad. Billy Butler could have stolen a couple of those bases. Perhaps a better metric for catchers is average pop time and for pitchers an average delivery time?

One other factor is whether the pitcher hits the mitt. Waist-high outside is best for a catcher. Inside and down, on an RHB, slows every catcher down. Not sure if the video gives a feel for that.

chuckbMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  jim fetterolf

It seems like you could create something like PT+/PT- for Pop Time + or – and DT+/- for delivery times and then ascribe relative values to the catcher and pitcher based on the run values of the stolen bases. This way catchers would be assigned the value of the stolen bases they give up and pitchers would be assigned the value of the stolen bases they give up. So, for example, a SB last night might be 60% Arrieta’s fault and 40% Montero’s.

I’d love to see more work done on this to see which players/teams give up the most bases and runs or prevent the most.

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago
Reply to  chuckb

You could compute a rough idea of SB/game for a given pitcher+catcher combination, adding their times.

And then for a given pitcher, which catcher is better for net runs, your offense-focused or defense-focused catcher? For Lester, you can give up a little pop time; for a pitcher right on the steep part of the SB vs time curve, a slow catcher costs more.

jim fetterolf
9 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

Lee Judge in KC looked at that. Sal Perez has a great gun but his caught stealing has tanked with the addition of Hammel and Karns and too much usage of Young. They account for a large majority of SBs off Perez and Butera. Last year’s Duffy, Ventura, Vargas, and Volquez had Salvy high on the CS list. Now he’s way down.

jim fetterolf
9 years ago
Reply to  chuckb

1st base coach knows those times has a stop watch on the pitcher. Hitter reaches 1st the coach gives him the times for that game. Runner knows how long it takes to steal 2nd, so just simple math. Then there are situations. A breaking ball count is better for the runner. Game score has something to do with pitcher holding the runner or using a slide step. Pitcher having a hard time locating is another. If he’s flying open the ball goes armside, which can make problems for a catcher. Part of the coach’s job is to juggle the factors. I like the percentage idea if we can weight for pitcher location.

Monsignor Martinez
9 years ago

What’s going on in the GIF for steal #6? He doesn’t throw it, but then it arrives at 2nd.

Momus
9 years ago

Yeah. I didn’t see the game so I was confused by that one as well.

d_iMember since 2016
9 years ago

Would be interested to know if lead distance information was available as well?

jim fetterolf
9 years ago
Reply to  d_i

Could probably be mined from statcast. The amount of lead is also on the pitcher.

E L
9 years ago

The analysis of steal #5 here is incorrect.

It was a busted hit-and-run in which Wieters tried his best to make contact but missed swinging at an unhittable pitch. You can also tell by the way Rendon was looking back in towards home to be ready to avoid a grounder.

Paul22
9 years ago

The truth is inconvenient. Montero had no chance on any of those SB. Arrieta could care less about SB and would probably tell you if asked that they were on him. Montero should know he looks bad speaking such truths. Not a bad bat for the position so somebody should be interested in him if he isnt blackballed.

Reminds me of a game where the Rays and Crawford ran silly on Varitek one game (8 SB, crawford had 6). Brad Penny was on the mound for most of them and was slow to the plate. Red Sox did not believe in the slide step at the time. Francona anticipating what was to come took the heat off Varirek said “The best way to stop [Crawford] is to keep him off base,” . “On one of them, we had [pitcher] Brad Penney at 1.28 [seconds] to the plate and Jason throwing down at 1.9. We can’t go faster than that. He just outran it. “He had a spectacular day.”

Varitek took responsibility knowing his manager had his back

d_iMember since 2016
9 years ago

Reminds me of when Matt LeCroy got replaced at catcher in the middle of an inning after allowing 7 steals in 7 innings…

http://www.natsenquirer.com/2011/01/the-night-matt-lecroy-made-frank-robinson-cry.html

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago

Let’s do the math for Willson Contreras, rounded down to 1.9 sec. Where do these totals stack up versus the “cliff” of 3.3 good, 3.5 bad?

#1 Arrieta 1.55 sec, + 1.9 totals 3.45, worse than average, fairly easy to steal on.
#2 1.68, total 3.58, stealable.
#3 1.58, total 3.48, stealable.
#4 1.50, total 3.40, average wooooo!
#5 1.72, total 3.62, ?.
#6 1.65, total 3.55, stealable.
#7 1.54 but to 3B, let’s skip this one.

So a good-throwing catcher might have gunned down one or two of those, or deterred them.

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

Dang, ? should be poop emoji.

Anyway so Montero is right. But I’ve worked with guys who are right like that.

Cidron
9 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

Math, he was correct. Mouth is what got him the DFA (as well as even more math)

Pwn Shop
9 years ago

You were generous on the last one, the throw wasn’t to third base but to the left fielder.

tramps like us
9 years ago

The piece not addressed in the comments here is that if a better player had said this, we’d be having having a different conversation. Remember Miguel Olivo? Yeah, me neither, but Google does. I remember when he bit off part of a (then) highly regarded prospect/teammate’s ear in Triple-A in 2014. He was DFA the next day, too.

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago
Reply to  tramps like us

Of course I remember Miguel Olivo! He was traded with Jeremy Reed and SS Michael Morse.

RadermecherMember since 2018
9 years ago

Montero is no Bill Freehan,who by the way,is still the most under rated catcher in modern BB history.

tramps like us
9 years ago
Reply to  Radermecher

Bill James had him in the all-time top 10

Theodore Morgan
9 years ago

It’s odd. Per Montero, Arrieta enables basestealing and doesn’t give his catcher much of a shot to throw out baserunners, so opponents can run wild and unfairly make the catcher look bad. Yet, when Contreras has caught Arrieta this year (nine starts), a TOTAL of only five SB have been attempted (and just three of those were successful). So…yeah.

@MaineSkin
9 years ago

That staff is feeling the affects of the bad defense by the CHC, but there’s no way I will believe they also do not miss Montero catching everyday.
He’s been atop the framing leaders for years while managing the best staff by ERA in MLB.
He lost hit job bc a top 5 lineup needed to get another bat. Yes, Contreras has a pop time and arm of a MLB catcher, but he’s losing the battles before his tools can play.
Ok, I’m done.

evo34Member since 2023
9 years ago

DFAing Montero is like sending your kid to his room and then paying him $10M in allowance. It’s amazing what money goes to waste when a sport has all fully guaranteed contracts and no salary cap.

jim fetterolf
9 years ago
Reply to  evo34

Montero didn’t seem happy on the Cubs, so gets released with full salary and signs with someone else. May see more of this if it works.

calebwMember since 2016
9 years ago

Oooh, this one really got the nerds out in the comments. I love FG.

francis_soyer
9 years ago

Montero would rather get DFAed then dragged to the White House.

francis_soyer
9 years ago

Contreras / Lester tossing out Turner and Taylor today did not help MM’s argument.

JohnnyRingoFWC
9 years ago

I see very few defending Montero. Sure, he has declined, like most older people tend to do, but does that mean that the team and pitcher simply ignore his message?

If you are a team, do you not work together to get the most out of each other?

I feel the Cubs (much like the culture, increasingly) were very oversensitive on this issue.

On one hand, you can do as they did. On the other hand, you can simply say that Montero is a passionate guy, and they are going to talk about his comments behind the scenes and see what can be improved.

Personally, I think that is much better leadership then simply throwing a 10 million asset down the drain because you are butthurt.