Let’s Play With New Defensive Data

Here’s the thing about catch probability: It’s existed for close to two decades. It’s at the heart of what we refer to as the advanced defensive metrics. Defensive Runs Saved, Ultimate Zone Rating — they couldn’t exist and do anything without catch probabilities in some form. It’s just that, for the longest time, those probabilities were generalized, educated guesses. You might’ve heard that baseball has entered the information era.

Here’s a weekend tweet from Daren Willman:

If you missed the link in there somehow, here it is again: the Statcast Catch Probability Leaderboard. We have most of two years of Statcast information, and now we’re getting to see it applied to player defense. Specifically, in this case, outfielder defense. If you don’t entirely understand what catch probability is, here’s the MLB.com glossary entry. Take a given fly ball or line drive to the outfield. What are the odds a given batted ball is caught? Statcast can tell us, by considering hang time and necessary distance to cover. This is the start of something beautiful.

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When you have one catch probability, that’s pretty cool. When you have a lot of them, you start to understand how good or bad certain players are at making catches. As with anything else, the data adds up over time. And now I should say a few things before going any further. People like Daren Willman and Mike Petriello are going to treat this data most responsibly. They’re there on the inside, and they know what should or shouldn’t be done with the numbers. And, the numbers will probably be tweaked down the line, since for now they don’t consider directionality or proximity to the wall. This is a simple and first attempt. And for what’s about to follow, I’ve performed my analysis using buckets. Not every player’s bucket is the same! Let me explain. Here are the existing buckets, and their actual overall conversion rates since 2015:

  • 5 Star Plays: 8% caught
  • 4 Star Plays: 42% caught
  • 3 Star Plays: 68% caught
  • 2 Star Plays: 84% caught
  • 1 Star Plays: 93% caught

Let’s take…Charlie Blackmon and Gerardo Parra? Sure, why not. Over the last two years, Blackmon has made five 5 Star plays, out of 69 opportunities. Parra has made six 5 Star plays, out of 57 opportunities. Based on the overall average for that bucket, Blackmon “should have” made 5.9 plays, and Parra “should have” made 4.8. But maybe Blackmon’s actual opportunities averaged out to a 10% catch rate, or a 5% catch rate. Maybe the same applies to Parra instead. Not every player’s opportunity buckets are equal, so everything, everything here is just an estimate. Statcast hasn’t yet eliminated defensive error bars.

I just can’t help myself but get into the data. It’s presented in a way similar to the Inside Edge data we already have on the site, but the Statcast information should be better. So, even considering the caveats I’ve mentioned, how about we look at some of the best Statcast defensive outfielders? On the left side of this table, the top 10 players in plays made over expected. On the right side, the same, but per 1,200 innings.

Statcast Outfield Defense, 2015 – 2016
Player +/- Plays Player +/- Plays/1200
Kevin Kiermaier 46 Kevin Kiermaier 26.7
Billy Hamilton 40 Billy Hamilton 25.0
Lorenzo Cain 37 Jake Marisnick 24.0
Jake Marisnick 34 Lorenzo Cain 21.5
Mookie Betts 32 Juan Lagares 19.4
Ender Inciarte 32 Byron Buxton 19.2
Adam Eaton 27 Ender Inciarte 17.5
Kevin Pillar 24 Travis Jankowski 16.4
Jason Heyward 24 Keon Broxton 15.9
Odubel Herrera 23 Peter Bourjos 15.1
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

I’m not sure there’s a surprise in the bunch. Which is probably more of a good sign than a bad one — one wouldn’t think we’ve been completely wrong all this time. For as much as people have openly criticized the advanced defensive numbers, I think the bulk of the disagreement has centered on infield play, especially in the age of infielders moving around all over the place. We’ve long had a pretty good grasp on the outfield, I think. Statcast here mostly supports the information we already had. Kevin Kiermaier? Amazing! Billy Hamilton? Amazing! Keon Broxton? You better believe he’s amazing!

Maybe one way of interpreting this is as further evidence that Kiermaier has been better out there than Kevin Pillar. I know that’s been fiercely debated, but Statcast knows more than most of us do. There’s still room for these numbers to be adjusted, so Blue Jays fans can continue to take some heart. Travis Jankowski has apparently got it. Peter Bourjos has apparently still got it.

Moving on, we go to the other end.

Statcast Outfield Defense, 2015 – 2016
Player +/- Plays Player +/- Plays/1200
Matt Kemp -39 Hanley Ramirez -23.7
Mark Trumbo -27 Mark Trumbo -22.1
Andrew McCutchen -22 Matt Kemp -18.3
Melky Cabrera -21 Robbie Grossman -18.1
Nick Markakis -19 Danny Valencia -13.6
Ryan Braun -17 Preston Tucker -13.4
Yasmany Tomas -16 Tyler Naquin -13.3
Hanley Ramirez -15 Daniel Nava -13.1
Jeff Francoeur -13 Jeff Francoeur -13.0
Jorge Soler -13 Jorge Soler -13.0
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

Again, this largely supports what many already suspected. This is why the offensive bar for Matt Kemp is so high, at least for as long as he’s in the National League. I don’t know the exact run value of an outfield play not made, but my ballpark guess is right around one run. That, in turn, would put Kemp around -39 runs over two seasons. Now, we can’t ignore Mark Trumbo, though. Kemp is at -39 plays in 2,575 outfield innings. Trumbo is at -27 plays in 1,461 outfield innings. Which means Trumbo comes out worse, and better on a rate basis than only Hanley Ramirez, who sure as heck doesn’t play outfield anymore. The Orioles know that Trumbo is a bat-first player. They might not fully appreciate the extent to which that’s been true. Trumbo and Kemp are not so dissimilar.

Trumbo is a league-worst -9 on 1 Star plays. Those are the easy ones, and Trumbo has converted nine fewer of them than you’d expect. Kemp has the worst mark on 5 Star plays and 3 Star plays, and he’s second-worst on 4 Star plays. Kiermaier is the easy leader in 4 Star plays; Hamilton leads everyone in the 5 Star category. Hamilton has made the greatest number of the most sensational catches, but Kiermaier has him beat elsewhere.

We’re always interested in the surprises. So I ran some quick and easy math to try to figure out who those might be. For every regular or semi-regular outfielder over the past two years, I calculated +/- from the Inside Edge data set. I also gathered the range component of DRS, and the range component of UZR (because catch probability has nothing to do with, say, throwing arm). I then ran a regression using these three advanced metrics against the Statcast numbers. From there I could calculate an “expected” Statcast +/-.

Important! UZR and DRS are adjusted for position. The Statcast information is not. So, in the following analysis, center fielders will look a little better, and corner outfielders will look a little worse. But anyway, here’s Statcast +/- against expected +/-:

There’s a good and pretty linear-looking relationship. That’s what you’d like to see, if the data we already had was worth anything. But you’re here for the outliers! Here are the five players with the biggest positive differences between Statcast +/- and expected +/-:

These are players our numbers have probably underrated a little bit. Eaton, for example, might well be a defensive superstar. Meanwhile, here are the five players with the biggest negative differences between Statcast +/- and expected +/-:

These are players our numbers have probably overrated a little bit. This is too simple an analysis to grant too much weight, especially given the issues with playing different positions, but there should be some substance at the extremes, and these last 10 players listed are extreme. It’s something to think about as we all move ahead, eager to learn more from the information system we’ve wanted to have forever.

Some of this, I’m sure, has been irresponsible, but who can think so clearly when given access to a new source of data? One of the major upsides of the Statcast system installation in the first place was that it seemed like it could give us unprecedented defensive clarity. We’re obviously not there yet, but every week brings us closer.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Joshua Miller
9 years ago

So it looks like Adam Jones was right, the Orioles really do need to get more athletic in the corners(not that we didn’t already know that), it’s too bad Trumbo still appears slated to play a decent chunk in right, and Seth Smith probably isn’t much better.

Chimendime
9 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Miller

Trumbo is not playing outfield this season. Rickard and Gentry will get the OF playing time.

Joshua Miller
9 years ago
Reply to  Chimendime

I’ll believe it when I see it, Rickard sucks and Gentry hasnt got more than 200 PAs since 2014. Trumbo is still projected to get the majority of RF PAs here on fangraphs, and he should only get more time in right with the Alvarez signing.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Miller

Although Alvarez will be practicing in the outfield.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 years ago

Which should send all Oriole fans into a catatonic state.

Joshua Miller
9 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

He can’t make the throws to play 3rd, couldn’t stick it at 1st, just imagine him in rf, ooof.

isaacmeep
9 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Miller

I agree Rickard is awful but Gentry has had injury issues from 2014 on. If he’s anywhere near the player he used to be he might actually end up the everyday rfer.

Alvarez will be in AAA as will Mancini, both of which are now outfielders.

Also I wouldn’t completely write off this year’s Rule V guy Tavarez, he’s looked good this spring and could actually get legitimate OF time this year.

Joshua Miller
9 years ago
Reply to  isaacmeep

Even at his best Gentry is more of a AAAA guy.

bohknowsbmore
9 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Miller

9.7 WAR over the period 2011-2014 is far more than AAAA.

Lee TrocinskiMember since 2016
9 years ago

If they break these down by defensive position, it would be interesting to see if positional adjustments are off. OF defense is more than range, but it’s definitely the biggest factor.

Baltar
9 years ago
Reply to  Lee Trocinski

Great comment!

Joe Joe
9 years ago

In the distance needed part, I wonder if Willman is using actual position for each play or average for all fielders at a position. If actual position, it seems like it would take away value from guys that position themselves well (or have great range that allows themselves to position themselves deeper).

ShauncoreMember since 2019
9 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

IIRC almost all of the statcast fielding data uses a normalized starting point. You can view it de-normalized as well on each players page.

Mike PetrielloMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Shauncore

Nah. Every individual play is specific to that play, including fielder’s starting point and ball’s projected and actual landing point.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Petriello

Would it be possible to use the data to break performance down into positioning and post-positioning performance? Say, compare how hard a catch is given how the OF was positioned to how hard it would’ve been if the OF had been positioned at the average starting point to see how many runs the positioning saved/cost?

Thecul
9 years ago

Isn’t WPA more important? Positioning more affected by game situation than a lot of other things right?

bohknowsbmore
9 years ago
Reply to  Thecul

Good point. Based on current score, a fielder may be more likely to play a ball into a single rather than selling out for the catch. That is just one of many potential decisions affected by in-game scenario.

Joe Joe
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Petriello

Thanks!

ShauncoreMember since 2019
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Petriello

Ah my apologies then. I must be thinking solely of the charts.

Sean HuffMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Petriello

Wait a second, you’re Mike Petriello. Man you’re a genius, I love your stuff!

Brian Cartwright
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Petriello

I haven’t looked at the data feed recently. Are you publishing any of the relevant components, such as starting position (especially) & hang time?

RonnieDobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Petriello

So, players are rewarded for poor positioning and penalized for good positioning? When the metric is based on ground covered, that seems like it would be the case.

Chickensoup
9 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

Shouldn’t that normalize over a large sample though? If the fielder shifts to play hitter tendencies as they’ve almost always done in the OF, it still leaves gaps that are harder to cover and thus what used to be a 3star turns into a 4 or 5 if the ball is hit away from the shift. Unless I’m mistaken, that’s one of the hard parts to account for in UZR/DRS and why statcast is amazing

Joe Joe
9 years ago
Reply to  Chickensoup

I suspect a lot of the best defenders play deeper such that 5 stars may turn to 4 while not gaining many shallow 5 star opportunities. Not as big a deal for just plays, but I suspect the deeper plays are worth a lot more.

titio1300
9 years ago

Anyone know how this system handles balls in between two fielders? Say if the CF makes a 5 star catch on a ball that would have been a 3 star catch for the LF but he was called off. I imagine that doesn’t count as an opportunity for the LF?

Baltar
9 years ago

In my dreams of a Statcast type of system over the last decade, the part about fielding has always been the most exciting to me. I’m absolutely thrilled we have come so far so soon.
After fielding I’m most excited about base running which I know will be even more difficult.

CheeseballMember since 2016
9 years ago

To Pillar is human; to Kiermaier is divine.

marc wMember since 2020
9 years ago

2 things:

1 – The distribution between the 5 buckets differs quite a bit. I wonder if that’s all just luck/random, if it’s influenced by positioning (in which case it might be somewhat similar year over year, at least for players who stay on the same team), or if it’s a kind of park effect. Lots of harder plays in COL/BOS, which makes sense.

2 – Where are the rest of the plays? Kiermaier, Hamilton, Eaton have hundreds and hundreds of putouts that don’t seem to be captured here. Hamilton had 276 last year by bbref. Statcast has him making 91 plays. Eaton had 133 out of over 400 putouts tracked. Are the balance guaranteed outs/100% fly balls? Just not tracked somehow?

Dave CameronMember since 2018
9 years ago
Reply to  marc w

The probabilities probably are least reliable for Red Sox LFs right now, because MLB hasn’t yet included the wall in the calculation, which they are working on. Obviously, there are some balls hit at Fenway that look catchable by just hang time/distance but weren’t because they hit the monster.

The catch probability ranges for the “star” buckets are 0-25%, 26-50%, 51-75%, 76-90%, and 91-95%, so if you’re adding up plays from just these five bins, you won’t see any play where the catch probability is 96-100%. And that’s a lot of plays. Go look at any of the defensive charts on Savant and look at the dark shaded blue area in the upper left corner; there are a lot of balls that everyone catches almost every time.

marc wMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Sure, but that would produce the opposite effect – namely, that BOS OFs would look awful (I mean, yes, Hanley really does look awful, but I’m putting that aside). What I mean is that their CF/RFs have a much larger proportion of total chances in the 5 star bucket. I’m guessing it’s just because of the dimensions there. There’s more space for a ball to be in play and also 90′ away from an OF. In most other parks, that’s just a HR and it doesn’t show up in these numbers.

bohknowsbmore
9 years ago
Reply to  marc w

I think there’s a lot of weirdness to sort out across ballparks still, with respect to walls in particular. There was a lingering question for some time about the effect of RF on advanced metrics at Oriole Park at Camden Yards that was never really answered. How players play balls off the high wall in RF adds a lot of trickiness into a simple bucket-based system.

EasyenoughMember since 2016
9 years ago

Hey jdbolick. You had some strong opinions about how poor Eaton’s center field defense is in the comments on this great piece: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/comparing-the-dexter-fowler-and-adam-eaton-decisions/

You wrote (and much more):
“willl, I’m fine with the eye test saying that Eaton was very good defensively in right field, but that same eye test tells us that he was still bad during those 372.2 innings in center field last season.”

“Prior to 2016 we had 2,741.2 innings of Adam Eaton in center field indicating that he was somewhere between slightly to well below average there. In 2016 we had another 372.2 innings in center field added to the sample that continued to indicate that he was below average.”

Given the new statcast data some of which is presented above, has your perception of Eaton’s defense changed?

Six Ten
9 years ago
Reply to  Easyenough

This is a weirdly specific grudge.

EasyenoughMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Six Ten

I find jdbolick’s comments insightful and interesting even when I disagree with them. In this case, which I saw by clicking on the most recent fangraphs article on Eaton, jdbolick made several detailed comments, with lots of evidence, and probably the best available data supporting his position. New data has become available, and I’m interested in whether this has changed his perspective. I don’t criticize jdbolick in my comment, so I’m not sure why you call it a “grudge?” I’m really interested in Eaton (maybe the player I’m most interested in in baseball right now) and the obviously divergent opinions on his value (that prompted the linked article), and I want to know if the new data has moved the needle. Sorry to weird you out.

eastmanMember since 2022
9 years ago

By basing the analysis and the starting point of the defender, it seems to me like this Statcast methodology remove credit for good or bad positioning from the evaluation of a player’s defense. Is that correct? For instance, a poorly positioned outfielder might make a lot of difficult catches as measured by distance and time to the ball that would fall into an easy bucket for a player positioned more effectively. At the same time, that same player’s defense would likely produce fewer total outs.

I started thinking along these lines because it is interesting to me that Adam Jones is one of the players who shows up as better using Statcast than UZR/DRS. He is consistently someone who has looked better when evaluated by the “eye test” than by defensive metrics. This suggests to me that maybe positioning, and not other aspects of his defensive ability are dragging down his defensive stats.

eastmanMember since 2022
9 years ago
Reply to  eastman

Just realized that a very very similar comment was made above. Shows how well I read….

C Dial
9 years ago
Reply to  eastman

In talking with coaches and whatnot, most positioning is done by the coaches, not the player (or the ‘book” on a hitter).

Max Power
9 years ago
Reply to  eastman

I think positioning mostly falls on coaches nowadays, so the analysts are more interested in looking at players’ true talent. Maybe we could also evaluate bench coaches Positioning Above Average skills by seeing how close the players are to where the ball lands?

John Autin
9 years ago

This data is fascinating. But we really need not just catch probability, but expected total-base values for these buckets. An OF who sells out to maximize catches can still be less valuable than one who minimizes damage.

C Dial
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

The average BIP values by position (balls in gaps) has been published over the years, but roughly:
CF 0.842
LF 0.831
RF 0.843

Naturally that is a collective of several decades where a given run environment will be very slightly different. This includes the value of the out.

Six Ten
9 years ago

One thing I did not expect to find here was the possibility that Matt Kemp is actually overrated defensively. That’s amazing.

astropcr
9 years ago

Doesn’t this discount outfielders who play behind more groundball or strikeout pitchers? Or outfielders who play behind infields that regularly play/shift deep into the outfield?

Since the Statcast statistics seem to be based on catch-made/catch-opportunity some outfielders get more opportunities for spectacular player than others. If you play in-front of a fly-ball pitcher or in a park with a big outfield you are going to get more chances for super plays.

I know there is little we can do for this (no way to normalize this data over a standard set of pitchers or parks etc.) but we should keep it in mind when determining the defensive chops of outfielders.

bunslow
9 years ago

“Kevin Kiermaier? Amazing! Billy Hamilton? Amazing! Keon Broxton? You’d better believe this article was written by Jeff Sullivan!”

marc wMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

…had the easiest distribution of fly balls in 2016. Way, way fewer 5-4-3 star chances, and a ton more 1 star. He still made a lot of plays, but I found that kind of funny. Even random chance appears to be a big Keon Broxton fan.

weekapaug09
9 years ago

The idea that Matt Kemp, widely considered one of the worst fielders in baseball, could possibly be overrated is terrifying.

C Dial
9 years ago

FWIW, catch probability would be nearly three decades – 1987 is when this was first getting tracked by STATS. This was done pre-UZR (~2003)

Thom with an HMember since 2017
9 years ago

Did either DRS or UZR range component look significantly more in line with Statcast than the other?