Let’s See About a Matt Carpenter Trade
Just last week, Kiley McDaniel finished up this year’s Trade Value series. The Trade Value series represents an attempt to rank all the best assets in baseball while accounting for player skill, age, and contract status all simultaneously. One player who didn’t appear in the series was Cardinals infielder Matt Carpenter, not even in the Honorable Mention section.
At that time, Carpenter was having a fine season, having recorded a 142 wRC+ and 3.2 WAR in 378 plate appearances. However, at 32 years old and with two-and-a-half seasons of control remaining on salaries of $14.5 million in 2019 and $18.5 million ($2 million buyout) in 2020, McDaniel reasonably left Carpenter off the list.
In his first eight games after the All-Star Break, however, Carpenter added 1.1 WAR to his season total, hitting .400/.500/1.100 with a 307 wRC+ during that stretch. His WAR was 21st in baseball at the end of the first half, but now it ranks seventh in the sport and first in the National League. His .275/.384/.579 batting line is good for a 155 wRC+, which is second in the NL and eighth in baseball, just ahead of Jesus Aguilar and Manny Machado. His season totals are even more amazing when you consider that on May 15, Carpenter was hitting .140/.286/.272 with a 59 wRC+. Jay Jaffe already detailed Carpenter’s turnaround at the end of June when he was just doing really well.
Since May 16, Carpenter has been the best hitter in baseball.
| Name | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Matt Carpenter | 274 | .340 | .434 | .728 | 206 |
| Mike Trout | 268 | .314 | .468 | .613 | 190 |
| Max Muncy | 245 | .284 | .424 | .649 | 185 |
| Mookie Betts | 211 | .352 | .445 | .609 | 183 |
| Alex Bregman | 269 | .297 | .390 | .625 | 178 |
| Shin-Soo Choo | 259 | .317 | .457 | .561 | 178 |
| Paul Goldschmidt | 266 | .322 | .414 | .626 | 175 |
| Jose Ramirez | 263 | .298 | .414 | .624 | 175 |
| J.D. Martinez | 240 | .308 | .383 | .654 | 174 |
| Joc Pederson | 173 | .288 | .349 | .654 | 166 |
The numbers at Baseball Savant agree with the assessment above: Carpenter ranks first in xwOBA during that time and fifth this season. Over the course of the rest of the season, Carpenter projects to be one of the best 20 hitters and best 20 players in baseball, with a 135 wRC+ and 1.7 WAR.
So what is a player like that worth? I asked Dan Szymborski if he wouldn’t mind running some ZiPS projections for 2019 and 2020 to see how Carpenter might age at 33 and 34 years old. This is what he came up with:
| Season | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | .260 | .373 | .481 | 132 | 4.3 |
| 2020 | .257 | .365 | .456 | 127 | 3.6 |
Those projections assume Carpenter remains at third base. Although his throwing motion generally looks pained, he’s been average there during his career by DRS and just slightly below average by UZR. Moving him to first base drops the 2019 projection by a win and 2020 by slightly less than that. A team trading for Carpenter now is a contender valuing every win the rest of the way very highly — as much as $15 million apiece, you cold argue. That would make Carpenter’s value this season around $20 million after considering his remaining $4.5 million in salary. The surplus is about the same for next season and about 60% of that in 2020 when accounting for present-day value. Carpenter does have some slightly added value this year and next for tax-paying teams, as his cap figure for 2019 is just under $9 million and around $3 million the rest of the season because of the smaller average annual value from the original six-year, $52 million contract he signed back before the 2014 season.
The figures above put Carpenter somewhere in the neighborhood of a $50 million value, but we could be conservative and lessen that amount considerably. As for precedent when it comes to deals like this, most deadline deals involve players about to be free agents. I combed through Cliff Corcoran’s piece on deadline deals and found a few examples of players dealt when they were not pending free agents. Here are those deals.
| Name | Season | Midseason WAR | Age | Years to FA | Players (BA Preseason Rank) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Andrew Miller | 2016 | 1.9 | 31 | 2.5 | Clint Frazier (44), Justus Sheffield (81), Ben Heller(NR), J.P. Feyereisen (NR) |
| Jonathan Lucroy | 2016 | 3.0 | 30 | 1.5 | Lewis Brinson (16), Luis Ortiz (64), Ryan Cordell (TEX 11) |
| David Price* | 2014 | 3.8 | 28 | 1.5 | Drew Smyly (MLB), Willy Adames (DET 30), Nick Franklin (MLB) |
| Hunter Pence | 2012 | 2.0 | 29 | 1.5 | Nate Schierholtz (MLB), Tommy Joseph (SFG 2), Seth Rosin (NR) |
| Hunter Pence | 2011 | 1.7 | 28 | 2.5 | Jarred Cosart (70), Jonathan Singleton (39), Domingo Santana (PHI 9) |
| Matt Carpenter | 2018 | 4.3 | 32 | 2.5 | N/A |
*Willy Adames was very young at the time of the Price trade and would rank 84th overall by the start of the following season.
It’s hard to find direct analogues. It’s also worth noting that several of the deals here involved MLB players, further complicating the math. Generally, though, we are seeing something close to two top-100 prospects in some shape or form. The Jonathan Lucroy deal might be the most comparable one: he, like Carpenter, was at least 30 years old and in the middle of a very good season. Synthesizing the return is difficult, though, as it seems unlikely the Cardinals would want two top-100 minor leaguers who aren’t all that close to the majors. The team might be looking to shake things up, but maybe not by trading their best player for piece who can’t contribute until 2020. A hypothetical deal with the Yankees — who could probably use a bat with Aaron Judge sidelined — including Albert Abreu and Estevan Florial might lack appeal for both teams.
If there is a deal to be had, one that would make both sides squeamish, it might be a one-for-one exchange for Miguel Andujar, who did make Honorable Mention in Trade Value. The Yankees would get about a one-win upgrade the rest of the season, and at least the same next year. It also might free them up to pursue a certain free agent who has a long history at third base while moving Carpenter to first base. (It also seems possible, as Buster Olney notes, that Carpenter’s teammate Jose Martinez might fit in New York, with Brett Gardner’s departure next season via free agency opening up the corner-outfield spots for Giancarlo Stanton and Judge.)
Interestingly, the Red Sox also have a young third baseman in Rafael Devers. The 21-year-old has struggled this season but still has a ton of potential, ranking 45th on McDaniel’s Trade Value rankings. If those deals don’t work — and it’s quite possible the Yankees and Red Sox are unwilling to give up on their young players — it’s hard to find a match for Carpenter anywhere else. The Cardinals are likely trying to compete in 2019. Unless the offer is compelling, he’s not likely to be moved.
That said, the Cardinals are in a tough spot. They’re currently at .500 with a sufficient number of good MLB-ready players controlled beyond this season to make rebuild unappetizing but also a lack of high-end players. Carpenter is a high-end player right now, but he won’t be for very long. In what appears to be a lost season, the club couldn’t be blamed for trying to cash in at his peak. The team could also shake things up in other ways. Ken Rosenthal suggested the Cardinals might trade a young pitcher for a similarly valued infielder. Perhaps Jack Flaherty might fit with what the Yankees or Red Sox.
The Yankees have added depth both to their bullpen and rotation without surrendering any of their top prospects. The Red Sox traded for Nathan Eovaldi, but they don’t have a ton of talent in the farm to trade to make improvements. As the two clubs battle to avoid the Wild Card, there are few impact players available. They would be smart to check in with the Cardinals and see what kind of offer it would take to pry Carpenter loose from St. Louis. Maybe it would take Andujar or Devers, but capitalizing on their opportunities this year and next might be worth it for both organizations.
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Given the Cardinals devil magic abilities to synthesize MLB average players seemingly out of thin air, I don’t think anything short of an Orioles-esque face plant of a season is going to push them to sell a controlled and productive player unless they get bowled over with an offer.
Problem is, mass production of average players out of thin air, coupled with two or three star-but-not-superstar players, isn’t enough to compete in the NL Central, and probably won’t be for a few years. The farm system hasn’t produced a Pujols-type megastar since, well, Pujols. Impossibly high bar, of course, but the system has not done well about producing guys in the next tier down for some time.
Possibly related factoid: the Cardinals are one of two teams (Boston is the other) that has never, in the history of the modern draft, had a #1 or #2 overall draft choice, not one. (Each has had a #3 — one.) By contrast, San Diego has had one of the top two no fewer than 8 times, and Seattle (among others) seven — for all the good it has done them.
Um, hardly anyone has produced a Pujols-type megastar since Pujols. Only the Angels and possibly a few others can make that claim.
In any case, the Cardinals are absolutely loaded in starting pitching talent and can back that up with a decent offensive core when everyone is healthy and playing to their usual standards, even if Fowler is a lost cause.
There’s a franchise icon in Molina behind the plate who’s still a pretty good player despite his age. Carpenter is one of the best all-around hitters in the NL. Ozuna is under contract for another year and likely to do better than he has this year. Pham and Jose Martinez are older but still excellent hitters and under team control for a long time (or maybe Martinez is traded to an AL team for a similarly valuable position player who can play decent defense). DeJong is a future All-Star somewhere on the infield. Bader is an excellent young rookie. Wong’s always been inconsistent with the bat, but his defense is superb, and so on…so the Cardinals are merely going to retool like they always do, not rebuild.
Seattle in particular has a devil magic ability to find the thorn among roses when picking high in the draft — obvious #1s like ARod and Jr aside — and the acme (nadir?) of that was probably the 2005 draft.
Wow Red Sox got 3 Major Leaguers from the first round. The year after they won the WS. That’s amazing
“The Cardinals” don’t have some org ability just by being the Cardinals. Lunhow could. Jury is still out of the current admin.
Luhnow’s been gone for seven years now.
I would be very sad to see him go.
Carpenter for Frazier/Sheffield/Bird
lol
Would T.McKenzie+N.Jones+ W.Castro be enough from the Indians?
A Carpenter-Lindor-JRam-EE/Alonso infield would be fun watching this October and next year.
Talentwise it seems a match but if the Cardinals are reloading for 19 that won’t fly. The cards have holes but they’re not looking like a full teardown team.
We’re really talking blue sky here.
I’ve also wondered whether the Rockies would be an intriguing partner. On the Rockies side, Carpenter would help them for the two remaining post-seasons they have with Arenado, and Carpenter would only get a boost from playing at Coors. The Cardinals would be targeting Brendan Rogers, the premier position player prospect they’d be needing. They could add Bud Norris if sweetening was needed. Rodgers likely won’t play heavily into the remaining Arenado window with Arenado, Story, and LeMahieuh in the infield.
LeMahieu is a FA at the end of this season.
I do like the idea of the Rockies going after Carpenter, though.
So the Rockies are obviously resigning him.
1) it can move Desmond off of first and into the lowly OF they have
2) when LeMahieu leaves, they can move Carpenter to 2nd and promote McMahon
Rodgers might be ready next season, as well. He sure looks like the 2B of the future. Am liking what I have seen so far out of Hampson, as well.
As much as I dislike the thought, I am starting to think McMahon might become trade bait.
How does Cleveland ‘s Yandy Diaz, Chang, plus one look? Instant help at two positions?
(meh)
3B is a hard match these days.
Not many contenders have MLB ready talent to trade for a corner IF.
Seems light.
Diaz will be 27 soon and he’s sporting a higher OBP than SLG at AAA. Not many teams want that in a corner infielder.
Chang is having an okay year at AAA but not showing the power from the year before that put him on people’s radars. He’s probably still at least a year away, and as you note above, the Cardinals might want to compete in 2019.
Mostly agree.
Diaz isn’t a one for one replacement.
If he were, Cleveland would just plug him in. But he doesn’t have anything left to prove in AAA and he is above average at 3b with mad obp skills (.414 now, .454 last year) and decent eye. He could be leadoff for StL which is a spot they’ve used Carpenter in. They might even teach him to loft.
The problem is finding other talent to make up the difference.
StL isn’t terribly short of pitching and Cleveland isn’t drowning in it. Mejia is already gone.
Chang might need some seasoning but he ‘s at AAA and he’s not going to play SS for Cleveland. He profiles as the kind of player StL works their blackmagic on.
Where I draw the blank is the third chip. Most that come to mind are too far, too much, or too little.
Blue sky.
Plutko? Allen? Yeah, not much there.
I do think the Indians need to decide what they’re going to do with Diaz. Seems like he’s not going to become the player they want him to, so probably best to flip him for a player they’ll actually use.
Aguilar.
Never gave him a fair shot and Milwaukee is reaping the benefits.
Diaz may be old but it’s because he signed late.
He’s ready for a full trial, somewhere.
They may be handling him backwards, expecting him to learn to loft before proving he can hit MLB pitching. Maybe they should left him prove he can hit first, then tweak the swing. I’d put him in RF at least 5 innings per game. Worry about the iso later.
I’m sure all franchises have those players they gave up on way too soon. Of course, for every player like that, there are probably 10-20 who continued to fail.
Yeah, I don’t understand why they gave up on him in the OF so quickly. They obviously don’t care for his defense at 3rd, and it seems like OF would be easier for him to learn.
Aguilar with cleveland:
2014 – 38AB, 19G
2015 – 20AB, 7G
2016 – 9AB, 6G
I understand ABs are scarce on contenders but still…
Aaanywaayyy…
Cardinals are definitely selling.
It looks like an Indians fan fantasizing about an unrealistically bad offer.
I can see the Cardinals trading Carlos Martinez rather than Carpenter given the respective markets for CIF and SP. A’s could build something around Franklin Barreto for example.
It would take a heck of a lot more to get Carlos Martinez from the Cardinals than just one prospect. Barreto is good, but you’d want to build around Puk and Barreto, not just one or the other.
OK sure. That works. Hiura from the Brewers might be possible. The main point is that Martinez is lot more valuable in trade than Carpenter and Cardinal pitching depth is a bigger strength than CIF.
I’m not trading Puk for Martinez
Carpenter and Norris for Devers? It’s a shame Wacha isn’t healthy to add value to a potential deal.
Why do we have the Cards selling..?
https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds-graphs
There’s a difference between selling and rebuilding. The Cardinals need Carpenter to anchor their 2019 offense (and Martinez the 2019 pitching staff).
Because they are open for business.
First up was Seattle.
If I were the Cardinals and had any designs on contending in the next 3 years, I would not be trading Matt Carpenter. First, he’s probably their best hitter and position player. Second, the last thing the Cards need is to leave Kolten Wong (he of the 82 wRC+) and Dexter Fowler (a switch hitter) as the only lefties in the lineup.
Defense matters, and Wong is an elite defensive 2B…and he’s better than an 82 wRC+ hitter…as shown by his 107 last year….with Matheny gone, someone might do what Matheny did years ago. Just put him at 2B every day so he can just play instead of looking over his shoulder after every 0-fer.
The assumption seems to be that Carpenter will play third, but isn’t he horrible at third?
Discussed in the article, after the first two tables. Metrics suggest he’s better than he looks. The metrics might be wrong, of course.
Plus the bat.
Plays better at 3B.
He’s not that good, but he’s playable there as long as you have a good defensive middle infield.
PThe Astros could use a firstbasemen. Carpenter would upgrade Seattle. It’s lame to only talk about the Red Sox and Yankees. Very lame
seattle doesn’t have the assets to make an offer the cardinals would pick up the phone for.
Why do people think that just because the Cardinals are having a mediocre season that they’re going to suddenly start trading away their best players under control beyond this season and start rebuilding?!
So no, Matt Carpenter and Carlos Martinez aren’t going anywhere, not unless the return consists of players who are projected to exceed their projected MLB production in 2019 and beyond.
The only possible exceptions are Gyorko (who’s having a down year, has just one more guaranteed year on his contract, and is blocking some young talent like Munoz) and Jose Martinez (who would fit better as an AL DH and would allow Carpenter to play 1B full time).
I don’t see then getting a good return for Matt carpenter.
He is still good but he is 32, not cheap and had injury scares. Teams won’t pay a premium for that. Now the cards could get two 45s for him but honestly how much does that help the team?
The cards have always been able to generate 45s (slightly below average players) one after another, their problem is not having enough 3-5 win guys like the top nl teams.
Now there is a risk marp falls apart but the cards are probably better off hoping for another 4+ win season.
Now you do need depth but also you need a core of 5-7 3+ war players. Getting two potential Randall grichuks won’t help them against the dodgers and cubs superstars.
Trading marp only makes sense if they do a total tear down