Let’s Watch Lucas Giolito Look Very Good
I’ll get to Lucas Giolito in a moment. But first, James Paxton. Paxton has always had pretty good stuff, but for a while, he didn’t know quite where it was going. Here are two screenshots from before Paxton broke out.
Paxton would reach back, and, with his glove arm, he’d reach up. Like, way up. And that sort of set the tone, because Paxton’s throwing arm would then come over the top. There are good over-the-top pitchers — there are great over-the-top pitchers — but Paxton didn’t become one. Not quite. Early in 2016, Paxton changed his angles. Almost instantly, he gained some gas, and he gained some control. Paxton turned into an ace-level starter, when he’s been healthy enough to start, at least. Two more screenshots, now.
Paxton’s glove arm has calmed down. And while he’s still not a side-armer or anything, Paxton has lowered his arm slot. His release point is down several inches, from where it had been. The way Paxton describes it, this is his natural slot, and it certainly looks more comfortable to the eye. Paxton has settled on better mechanics, and it’s among the reasons why he’s gotten so good.
To Giolito, now. There’s something I was just never able to shake.
Giolito was about as good a pitching prospect as there is. But when he debuted with the Nationals, he was ineffective. Here are two screenshots from 2016, in the same style as the Paxton pairs above.
Giolito, of course, is right-handed, while Paxton is left-handed. And Giolito’s glove arm wasn’t quite so exaggerated. But Giolito had similar traits, right down to the over-the-top delivery. As the Nationals thought about trading Giolito, and then as the Nationals did trade Giolito, I couldn’t stop thinking about Giolito as Paxton. I wondered whether he might benefit from similar adjustments. It was only a thought, and nothing scientific, but it stuck in my head nevertheless.
The other day, in a spring-training start, Giolito struck out a whole bunch of Cubs. Two more screenshots.
It’s evident in the first picture that Giolito has lowered his glove arm. And it certainly looks, in the second picture, that Giolito has also lowered his arm slot. It’s spring training, and spring training doesn’t provide regular-season data, so you could say I don’t have proof. That’s true! But I do, at least, have more pictures. Here are two shots of Giolito from his last outing in 2017.
And here are two more shots from the recent spring game.
Last season, with the White Sox, Giolito raised his slot a little bit. From the looks of things, he’s gone back down and then some, such that he’s a little more around the shoulder than on top of it. Again, he’s not coming straight from the side, but assuming Giolito isn’t injured, this wouldn’t be a coincidence. This would be an intentional adjustment, with the idea of keeping Giolito’s body more in sync.
One consequence of lowering your arm slot is that you get more side-to-side movement, and you do less up and down. A 12-to-6 curveball might go 1-to-7, or 2-to-8. Another consequence for certain pitchers can be better location, and while it’s not like we can sit here and say for sure that Giolito will boost his strike rate by several points, he’s coming off a very impressive highlight reel. I mean, I get it — by definition, highlight reels include only highlights. But, look at this damn changeup.
Look at this damn breaking ball.
Look at this other damn breaking ball.
Giolito finished with eight strikeouts in four innings. No, it wasn’t a flawless start. There was a home run. It’s 2018. There’s usually a home run. But last year, Giolito struck out just 19% of his opponents. He’s always been expected to do better than that, and he certainly should do better than that, with the stuff he was most recently throwing. At least in this one spring game, Giolito had four pitches working, and it caught my eye. Less important to me is how the pitches moved. More important is that they went where they were supposed to. Giolito looked comfortable with his delivery.
And there was another thing. The White Sox broadcast talked to Don Cooper during the middle of the game, after Giolito had thrown his final pitch. According to Cooper, Giolito had been throwing his fastball around 94-95 miles per hour. As I’ll note one more time, it’s spring training, which means we don’t get confirmation here from Statcast. We sort of have to take Cooper at his word. But, what if Giolito is throwing 94-95? Last season, he threw just 5% of his fastballs at least 94. He hung around the 92-93 range, down a tick or so from where he was with the Nationals. Giolito’s fastball was once considered perhaps the best in the minors, and some of that zip could be returning. Here is a little support, from Daryl Van Schouwen a few weeks back.
On a more intriguing note, [Giolito] touched 95 mph, also getting swings and misses with his big curve. Last season, he worked effectively with a 92-93 mph four-seam fastball by moving it up and down to change hitters’ eye levels, and now he hopes to up the ante by bringing back the mid-90s heat that helped make him a No. 16 draft pick and top-tier prospect of the Washington Nationals.
“I’m hoping that’ll be more the norm, throw some 95s in there, a little bit of a higher velocity,’’ Giolito said. “I feel like I’m using my body a little bit better than I was last year.”
Maybe Giolito’s velocity was down on purpose. More likely, he’s benefiting from adjustments to his preparation and mechanics. At the end of February, Giolito talked about how he wanted to get into the mid-90s again. The other day, over four innings in the spring, he was apparently able to do just that. A naturally-achieved velocity boost should be a good thing for any pitcher, and here we might think of Paxton once more. Different delivery, more velocity, potentially better command. Paxton’s breakout took place almost overnight. We’ll have to see if Giolito’s command keeps up, but if nothing else right now, he’s doing enough to intrigue.
Without more information, we can’t say that Lucas Giolito is about to be an ace. We can say that he seems to be throwing harder. We can say that he seems to be throwing differently, in a way that might improve his location. Giolito doesn’t need to add a pitch. The pitches are all there. He needs to make the pitches do what he wants. If Giolito’s in the process of clearing that hurdle, then there’s not much else that can get in his way.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.








Looks like Chris Sale’s arm slot
thats a good thing, right
A common misconception about a threequarter armslot is that a curveball can’t be 12-6 anymore. It still might be 12-6, but since the pitch isn’t coming in straight, it might look like it’s breaking away. Relative to its own path it might stil be 12-6. English isn’t native tongue, so I’m not sure if wat is said above is clear to everyone. I think the difference in break is a matter of grip and pronation. More pronation = more spin and slower pitch (hence the big break), but straighter down. Less pronation (fingers on side of the ball) is more Kluberlike curveball/slider and more speed than a true curveball.
Your English is in the 90th percentile of commenters.
It’s in the 90th percentile of commenters in everyday writing, and 99th percentile among internet comments.
As is his knowledge of pitch mechanics (99th percentile).
Thanks for the kind words. Reading this site helps a lot.
Your English is fine but I might not be following — do you mean 12 orients to the arm slot rather than up from the ground? So a pure sidearm 12-6 curve would have deflection force horizontal?
White Sox fan having palpitations over here!
I was waiting for an article about him throwin 95. This made my day
Teams should know better than to trade pitchers who have lost a little shine off the diamond to the wizard known as Don Cooper. He will polish said diamond and then make you look foolish for trading it in the first place.
Now I’m not saying that’s definitely happening here, but someone with Giolito’s physical tools that is having issues syncing it all up has to be a dream for a guy like Cooper.
Hard to imagine Cooper ever leaving the White Sox, but given his track record of success and the Sox pitchers propensity for avoiding the DL (attributable to Cooper? Who knows?) what do you think fair market value would be for him?
(I bet it wouldn’t be that hard to construct a reasonable argument for a very large number)
While I’m sure Coop helps as well, Herm Schneider’s shoulder program receives a lot of the credit for pitcher health from guys who come to or leave the organization. I know Sale still does the same program even though he’s left the organization.
If you’re unable to polish the diamond, it’s just a rock in your hands. Why not sell it to someone who’s willing to pay for it?
Sometimes the rock isn’t ready to be polished.
Whatever. In any event, who you trade it to doesn’t matter, ever. You can’t get someone like Eaton without giving up something significant.
They traded a 5 WAR player to get him, so they must have thought he had quite a bit of shine 🙂
That changeup was damn filthy
He threw a few other changeups in that start that moved just as much as that one. Even when he missed high, the changeup still had tons of fade.
Though I liked the trade of Adam Eaton for Giolito, Lopez and Dunning at the time and now, it appeared that relatively speaking, Dunning has showed the most improvement. Nice to see the possible improvement of Giolito too. Jeff, thanks for pointing out the changes to his delivery.
Thank you for the article and I hope it is true. When the Sox made the trade I would have preferred Robles instead of the 3 prospects they got but if Giolito can even become a good no.2 starter then it will still work out well.
3 > 1 in terms of prospects, especially two top rated ones vs 1. Volume is key in the prospect game.
Perhaps, but I prefer hitting prospects to pitching. The Cubs and Astros rebuilt and won by getting a ton of hitting prospects and then buying established pitching.
The Nationals weren’t giving up Robles, and the White Sox do have a history of developing starting pitching.
The cubs have also gotten away with developing no pitching prospects by trading young hitters for pitching. They struck gold with the Torres and Jimenez trades.
Ah yes, the magic of Don Cooper maybe?
I watched that game,….and am glad to see I wasn’t the only one thinking we were seeing the arrival of the advertised version of Giolito “Top Pitching Prospect”
There was talk that the Nationals made changes to Giolito’s delivery during his time in their organization. I have not seen any footage of what he looked like before he was drafted but that would certainly be something to compare his subsequent deliveries to. The drop in stuff was quite dramatic, according to all I was able to find out, during his time in the Nationals organization. A comparison of his early, middle and present motions is required.
I know we’ve heard there was a pick-up in his velocity, but how did his fastball move?
Great article, great breakdown, love reading these types of articles. On a side note, looks like Heyward is in midseason form there.
AL LABR had him at $5. With this new information, where would he place in he auction?
Yep those are Giolitos high school mechanics, when he would touch 100 mph.
BUY BUY
Is it just me, or does he look extremely similar to Verlander in the recent GIFs?