Let’s Watch Some Shortstop Prospects Play Defense

Lauren Roberts/Salisbury Daily Times / USA TODAY NETWORK

With Instructional League underway in Arizona (casts look of disappointment toward Florida) and Fall League rosters likely about two weeks out, the time has come to line the coffers with data and re-worked scouting reports in preparation for another round of farm system audits. Especially at the up-the-middle positions, defense is both very important and also a bit of a black box for readers, as there aren’t many publicly available minor league defensive stats and so much of evaluating defense is visual. I’ve recently been working on a video deep dive on the position players currently graded as 50 FV prospects or better, specifically to evaluate their defense in detail. Here I’ve taken a pass at the shortstops, providing video supplements for the prospects who I’ve evaluated in the 55 FV tier and above. I’ve made changes to their defense and arm tool grades over on The Board as a result of this exercise, and highlight the instances where this has caused a change to the player’s overall FV grade in the analysis below.

I’ve cut the videos in such a way that you can see each shortstop making similar plays one right after another. The videos feature plays to their left where I want to see them flip their hips and throw, plays that show the extreme end of their range, backhand plays in the hole to their right, plays coming in on the grass, and double play attempts. The fewest balls in play I watched for an individual player was 36 (Colson Montgomery and Dyan Jorge) and the most was closer to 70 (Jackson Holliday, Carson Williams and Marcelo Mayer).

Jackson Holliday, Baltimore Orioles
Holliday isn’t currently a big league-quality shortstop defender, but he’s talented enough to project as a suitable one within the next couple of years. He’s most comfortable throwing on the move from right to left, and he often goes out of his way to do so even when it isn’t called for. His ability to make accurate throws from odd platforms is impressive, as are Holliday’s poise and internal clock. But his hands are not always sound, and Holliday lets a lot of choppers take an unnecessarily high hop, with the direction of that hop sometimes surprising him. He needs to do a better job of staying low and attacking this type of groundball closer to the ground, especially when he’s moving toward the hole to his right. He also tends to take an extra step or two to gather himself before throwing, which the speed of major league play might not allow for. Again, I think Holliday will eventually be fine, but right now his bat is pretty comfortably ahead of his defense.

Jackson Merrill, San Diego Padres
The key detail here is that Merrill has begun to play positions besides shortstop over the last few weeks. He’s played a game or two each at first and second base, and a couple in left field after having only played shortstop for his entire career. While his performance at short can provide a reasonable facsimile for what Merrill should be able to do at second base, it’s not yet possible to evaluate him as an outfielder (he has only had one remotely catchable fly ball hit to him so far) and it’s still too early to have a coherent opinion about his defense at first base (though his footwork there so far has been predictably rough).

In a vacuum, Merrill will likely be a shortstop fit despite below-average hands because of his feel and instincts for the position, as well as his max-effort arm strength. His feeds to second base when starting double plays and his exchange around the bag when he’s the pivot man need to be faster. Xander Bogaerts and Ha-Seong Kim are both better defenders than Merrill, which is probably why you’re starting to see him move around the diamond. If the Padres think he can outhit Jake Cronenworth, he may just usurp him in a similar role.

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Marcelo Mayer, Boston Red Sox
Mayer has been out since August 2 with soreness in his non-throwing shoulder. Portland manager Chad Epperson told The Athletic two weeks ago that Mayer was seven to 10 days from a return, but that has proven to be optimistic. The tape he put down prior to the injury is encouraging, though. I had Mayer evaluated as less likely to stick at shortstop than many of the others analyzed here, but while he still has some issues, his actions should enable him to do so. His hands are fantastically quick and skillful, and this is most evident on double play attempts when he’s either starting things or acting as the pivot man. Mayer is also a much more natural low-to-the-ground athlete than either Holliday or Merrill, and he looks much more comfortable backhanding balls in the hole, though he doesn’t always have the arm to finish that play and his range is a shade below average.

Brooks Lee, Minnesota Twins
Lee makes a lot of spectacular plays because of his savant-like feel and acrobatic flair, much more than via raw physical ability. He is, however, the best bender of the shortstops analyzed so far, getting deep into his legs on that key, telling backhand play that the others struggle with. Lee is so good at making this play in part because of his ability to bend (look at the angle of his hamstring relative to the ground compared to the others) and in part because his transfer occurs while he exits this position. During the last month he has been uncharacteristically mistake-prone on some gimme grounders, but I don’t expect that will be a long-term issue. Given his thicker build and injury history, it wouldn’t surprise me if Lee’s ability to play shortstop peters out during his initial years of team control, earlier than the younger guys also analyzed in this article. But among the all-around impact players near the top of this list, Lee and Jordan Lawlar are clearly the most major league-ready defenders at this time.

Jordan Lawlar, Arizona Diamondbacks
Lawlar’s range is only fair, but now that his throwing stroke has been smoothed out, he’s otherwise a complete and excellent shortstop defender with plus-plus actions. He sometimes goes into a pop-up slide rather than bend like most other shortstops would to field certain grounders to either side of him, but his ability to exit that slide in position to make a strong, accurate throw is incredible and highly entertaining. Lots of shortstops tend to charge slow rollers in on the grass and scoop the ball on the run, but Lawlar has never looked comfortable making this play and he seems to have made an adjustment, as it’s hard to find him doing it on tape. Instead, he tends to wait on the baseball, and rely on the quickness of his actions and his arm strength. It’s working so far. He and incumbent Diamondbacks shortstop Geraldo Perdomo are both very good defenders, but Perdomo has lots of experience at other positions, making him a more natural fit to move around in a superutility capacity when Arizona thinks Lawlar is ready. I’ve elevated Lawlar’s defensive evaluation. That, combined with the way his strikeout rates have stabilized, caused me to move him into the 60 FV tier ahead of some inferior middle infield defenders.

Carson Williams, Tampa Bay Rays
Williams is the most sensational and talented defender here, consistently making big league-caliber plays while sprinkling in an absurd number of web gems for a guy who is barely 20 and has only been focusing on being a position player for a couple of years. Aside from the occasional short-hop throw to first base (which is more about Williams’ feel for release than it is a lack of arm strength), Carson is a complete defender who checks every scouting box emphatically. He moves the baseball around the infield with pace and precision while making most aspects of defense look absurdly easy. He has premium athletic ability, a plus-plus exchange, and the arm to be an upper-echelon defender at the position. Again, Williams turned 20 at the end of June. I’m still worried about his hit tool, but the impact of his shortstop defense is going to enable him to play a key role. He could produce similar to the way Willy Adames has, and I’ve juiced his FV into the 55 FV tier as a result of this exercise.

Other Shortstops Analyzed
White Sox prospect Colson Montgomery is a pretty firm and clear “no” at shortstop, though I suppose you could argue he looks the way he does because he spent most of 2023 on the shelf with oblique and back issues, which may still be impacting his mobility. Most of what Montgomery is doing on defense happens too slowly, and runners end up safe on otherwise routine plays. His hands and range are both comfortably below average, and 21-year-olds this size rarely stick at short. He’s obviously a great prospect because of his bat, but the notion that Montgomery is the second coming of Corey Seager in all respects is false.

Guardians rookie Brayan Rocchio now looks fine at short after experiencing the yips in Venezuela over the winter. His high-stress throws on do-or-die attempts in on the grass often require a little bit of help from the first baseman, which, with Kole Calhoun being asked to learn the position on the fly at the big league level, made for some ugly baseball when Rocchio was up in August. His lightning-quick exchange and ability to make spinning throws on balls hit back up the middle are the highlights of an otherwise average collection of skills at the position. He should stabilize the shortstop position next year once Cleveland is soundly convinced Gabriel Arias can’t hit.

You no doubt know about Masyn Winn’s all-world arm strength. That 80-grade tool makes up for what can sometimes be a slow approach to groundballs, which would otherwise cause the baseball to arrive late. Winn’s frequent need to rush his throws has often caused first basemen to have to come off the bag, but this shouldn’t be a long-term issue. His range and athleticism are both plus, while his hands and actions are closer to average. He probably isn’t a future Gold Glover, but Winn is pretty comfortably the best shortstop defender in the Cardinals org and I consider it more likely that Tommy Edman and Brendan Donovan rotate around mostly non-shortstop positions next year now that Masyn is in place.

The Blue Jays Addison Barger returned from elbow inflammation in June and began to see more and more time in right field in mid-July. Since the beginning of August, he’s been playing mostly right field while getting a start somewhere on the infield about once a week. He was evaluated as a 40-grade shortstop defender during the offseason and that still holds, as Barger’s feet and hands are lacking but his arm is a fit basically anywhere on the infield. He’s capable of playing shortstop but isn’t very good, and with Bo Bichette entrenched as the team’s everyday option, it’s much more likely that Barger plays a left-handed role that complements Santiago Espinal and an aging George Springer for the next several years. Barger might already be better than Cavan Biggio is in that role right now and could merit down-the-stretch consideration, but the Jays promoting Mason McCoy and Ernie Clement rather than Barger (or Orelvis Martinez) in light of recent injuries to Bichette and Matt Chapman kind of signals what Toronto thinks of those guys on defense. Because he’s essentially slipping down the defensive spectrum, I’ve slid Barger into the 45 FV tier as more of an integral role player rather than a true everyday guy.

I’ve dialed down the grades on Orioles infield prospect Joey Ortiz’s defense and arm by a full standard deviation. His diminutive size makes him especially agile, but he lacks any other exceptional defensive attributes. I haven’t altered Ortiz’s FV grade, however, because he is still making a ton of contact and hitting the ball hard, with a 46% hard-hit rate at Norfolk. Here is how some of Ortiz’s more granular offensive attributes stack up against the average of the top 30 big league second baseman from 2022 (i.e. about how he’d have to perform to be a 50-grade player at second). It feels okay to 50 him even though second base is now in the picture more than before.

Joey Ortiz Offense vs. Major League Second Basemen
Player Z-Contact% Chase% Hard Hit%
Joey Ortiz 89% 33% 46%
AVG of Top 30 MLB 2B 88% 32% 35%

At best, high-ceiling Rockies prospect Dyan Jorge is currently a work-in-progress at shortstop, where he remains prone to misplays. His hands are comfortably below average and his throwing stroke is a bit non-traditional. I had him speculatively projected to center field as an amateur and am back on that train after a brief departure based on my extended spring training looks. Marlins prospect, and fellow Cuban, Yiddi Cappe is in a similar spot. Cappe has seen more time at shortstop since Kahlil Watson was traded away but is still mostly playing second base, where his arm is a cleaner fit. He’s slow to corral balls at shortstop and ends up writing slow-developing checks that his arm can’t cash. Both of these guys deserve a little more time to air out developmentally because they both waited an extra year to sign, but they’re both still much more about long-term athletic projection than present defensive skill.





Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

The Padres doing what they do best: Moving shortstops down the defensive spectrum.

whaiiiMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They have to trade him right? Playing Merrill at 1B seems insane and LF is blocked for a couple of years.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  whaiii

The other day on the “will the Mets trade Alonso” article, I said the Padres were the most likely team to make this move because they’re most likely to team to make any move. But even then, and even if you think that the reports on Merrill’s hit tool have been exaggerated (like I do), it’s hard to imagine them trading Merrill for Alonso. They’re much more likely to offer Dillon Head, Jairo Iriarte, and Samuel Zavala than their blue chip prospects (and it could take all three, or more).

Of course the real Padres move would be for them to trade for Willy Adames and shift him to first base instead. Because, why not.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  whaiii

I mean…CF is pretty ripe for the taking.

I know folks like to pretend otherwise, but Grisham isn’t good and never has been good.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  whaiii

He’s a 4th OF on a contender.

whaiiiMember since 2024
2 years ago

I agree CF is open. But if the Padres thought he could handle it, he’d already be getting reps out there in the minors. It’s telling that they jumped him straight to 1B.

rlothmanMember since 2021
2 years ago

It’s illuminating to get a glimpse of how you and other evaluators look at prospect defense, especially at a crucial and difficult position like SS! Defensive projections for prospects always seem like such a black box from the outside looking in.

I’d love to see a similar analysis for CF prospects, but going beyond the guys you have with 50 FV grades currently. I’ve been very curious as to why Victor Scott II hasn’t jumped up your rankings the way he has started to in some other outlets, given his 83 SBs and the fact that the bat is playing at AA so far at age 21 (although driven by a high BABIP, I know). I hear subjective reports that his OF defense is the best in the Cards’ org, and ZiPS now pegs him at a projected .660 OPS in the bigs. Paired with the speed and defense, that would seem like at least a 50 FV prospect to me, but the defense is the big question, and I’d love to know how you see him.

rlothmanMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  rlothman

Correction: Steamer projects him at .660, not ZiPS.

D-WizMember since 2019
2 years ago

Awesome, thanks for writing this up! You’re 100% right that, as a consumer of baseball media, prospect defense is the blackest of black boxes. I just look at the grades given by various evaluators and basically just shrug and say “neat”. This helps actually give context to what those numbers mean and is just generally a fascinating look at prospect defensive development.

OtterMember since 2016
2 years ago

I see that subtweet on Colson Montgomery!

tootblan
2 years ago

This is great, thank you for this! Williams is SMOOTH at shortstop, if he can hit at all (seems up in the air) he’s an All Star. Holliday is about what I expected given the reports on him, don’t think he has the tools to be a stellar SS but seems poised out there, although he looks really uncomfortable on the backhand. Mayer was the most disappointing to me, maybe I’m wrong but I remember people thought he was a no doubt SS when he was drafted, it looks like he will top out as average at best and may need to move off short.

votto eroticaMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  tootblan

Holliday has rocketed through the minors to Double-A and doesn’t turn 20 until December. Unless there’s a physical limitation or some other obvious deficit I’m not dwelling on his defense much. The ability to throw from multiple angles is one of the hardest things to teach. He does take extra steps before throwing but that’s easy to clean up. I expect he’ll be just fine.

I never thought Mayer was an obvious SS as a prep, but it’s subjective.

tootblan
2 years ago
Reply to  votto erotica

Totally agree on Holliday, I think he has what it takes to be a solid SS and even if he ends up as a 40 Field SS the bat still makes him a star. I might just be wrong about Mayer tbh, I thought the industry consensus was that he was a definite SS but could be misremembering.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  votto erotica

And let’s be real – the most worrying thing about Mayer is his performance against pitchers who can throw breaking balls for strikes.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

It’s going to be wild if he ends up as a plus defender and below average hitter. The complete opposite of what a lot of people expected.

Personally I still think he could hit but he is going to need a ton of development time. I wouldn’t expect to see him until at least 2025. Lots of work on the hit tool is needed.

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago

“He should stabilize the shortstop position next year once Cleveland is soundly convinced Gabriel Arias can’t hit.”

I have my doubts about Arias but ZiPS has nearly identical projections for Arias and Rocchio. So I wouldn’t assume that Rocchio will be better.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago

Also, Arias doesn’t have the greatest hit tool in the world but he’s always been better with consistent playing time. Rocchio, meanwhile, still has a lot to prove as far as the bat is concerned and is too samey to a lot of the problems the Guardians already have (tons of grounders, not enough hard contact, too passive). At least Arias has the potential to diversify the offense a bit.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Rocchio’s K and SwStrk rates skyrocketed in the show. He looked completely overmatched.

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Like I said, I have my concerns about Arias. His K rate is WAY too high. But his numbers as a 21 year old in AAA are similar to what Rocchio has done as a 22 year old in AAA. And he’s supposedly better defensively. I like Rocchio, I hops he works out, but as you noted, he looked overwhelmed when he was called up. And there’s zero guarantee he’ll be better than Arias.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I would be genuinely concerned about anyone who posted a whopping -5 OAA in 152 innings, struck out seven times as much as they walked in their cup of coffee in the majors seems to only have doubles power in AAA, and who is projected for an 86 wRC+ by ZiPS. I get not wanting to overcorrect on guys this young who have tools, but he’s going to be 23 next year.

I don’t feel as strongly about him being overrated as I do about, say, Tyler Soderstrom, but he is kind of like Noelvi Marte for me. The continued faith that eventually everything will work itself out has to evaporate at some point, right?

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think he’s “overrated”, I just don’t think he’s actually ready for MLB. Arias has issues, but he’s also younger and more experienced. If Rocchio can prove himself more and not be a one-note guy, he could be an everyday player. But he’s nowhere near that yet.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

EDIT: Since Fangraphs is having issues…

Arias isn’t younger, but the difference in age is small and he’s more experienced.

motleycrue84Member since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Marte has really struggled in the majors in 40 ABs, but as a 21 yr old he had wrc+ of 115 in AA and 104 in AAA. Idk if he can tread water at 3b, but lets see if he can make some adjustments at the plate-Encarnacion-Strand has started to heat up a little after looking totally hopeless

votto eroticaMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  motleycrue84

Agreed on Marte. He’s susceptible to good breaking balls — which hardly makes him special — but I’ve seen the makings of an approach and he’s put some great swings on the ball.

He’s settling in at 3B and has made some plays. He has enough arm for the position and is getting used to what range he needs to cover next to EDLC.

Hard to tell what he’ll ultimately be, but the tools are still intriguing.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

So, if I were to summarize the situation here after reading this article:

Can Hit: Jackson Holliday, Colson Montgomery
Can Field: Carson Williams
Can do both: Jordan Lawlar
Still kind of sort of dreaming on both: Marcelo Mayer, Brooks Lee, Jackson Merrill

Personally I’d go a little easy on Jackson Holliday here, since (1) his fielding being behind is hitting isn’t a big shock since he’s he’s currently outhitting every single prospect with an FV50 grade or higher and who is currently under 21 years old and (2) he’s at least 5 months younger than every other prospect profiled in this article.

linn
2 years ago

Nothing about Edwin Arroyo? or is it because he is more of FV 50 and not FV55?

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  linn

Eric moved him way down in his last small update, 45 now.

drummie
2 years ago

Anything on Mauricios SS defense?

Travis IceMember since 2026
2 years ago

Great stuff Eric

Demiurge
2 years ago

Dear lord, Jackson Holliday is an ugly kid. Fugly, even.

Junior Felix, Jr.
2 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

Stupid comment

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

No, but he does look like he’s 15. The best 15 year old baseball player on the planet.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Ooh, stupid commment time! Here’s mine:

Craig Counsell looks like what would happen if you took a 12-year-old and tried to kinda-sorta make him look older.

DJ Lemahieu somehow looks younger than Everson Periera.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s funny because his dad was always gruff looking to me. Appeared older than his age.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

According to some scouts, Jackson Holliday’s younger brother looks a lot like him. Like, if you didn’t know which one was which you might mix them up. I looked up Ethan Holliday though and I’m not entirely sure I agree with that, I think Jackson looks older…but not by that much. Ethan also apparently has a lot of similarities to Jackson as a prospect. Talented kids.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There’s a photo of them standing together – Ethan’s a bit taller.

That’s the only difference I spotted.

Demiurge
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

That all-time ugly face and awkward child-man build that he possesses has me rooting for him, but at the same time… sheesh.

casey jMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

I am not offended, but I disagree. Jackson is very delicate and somewhat feminine-looking. He’s not rugged-looking but he is kinda pretty actually.
I love his elegance as a player too. He’s an interesting type of top prospect, very polished and very skillful in a professional type of way. No reason to think this will limit his upside either. He seems to me like an actual, high-floor/high-ceiling guy.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

You guys just sit around talking the same old “good body” nonsense like we’re selling jeans. Like we’re looking for Fabio.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

They can’t all be *Corey* (Lisa Simpson meme engaged)

mike sixelMember since 2016
2 years ago

There’s almost no chance Lee plays SS in MN, unless CC’s foot is really bad…..and Julien has 2B, and Lewis 3B……I have no idea what MN will do, other than defer to veterans….

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  mike sixel

Julien’s best long term position is probably DH…

mike sixelMember since 2016
2 years ago

I agree, but this team has Buxton and Julien and Jeffers (who still isn’t catching 60% of the time) for DH…..

markakis21
2 years ago

Even as an Orioles homer, I feel like Ortiz is WAYYYY too highly ranked. He’s a 40+ or a 45 if you really buy the glove.

kevo8Member since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  markakis21

Couldn’t disagree with this more – he has crushed AAA pitching while profiling as a surefire SS on defense (even this report which is a bit down on him doesn’t do much to dissuade me of that view). He had a rough first spell in the big leagues while getting very sporadic playing time, but I would love to see what he can do with a more consistent run of at bats.

To steal sadtrombone’s favorite term, it just takes so little projection on the bat and glove for Ortiz to at least land in the Erick Aybar zone.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  kevo8

That BB/K as a 24 year old repeating AAA is a bit worrying, in fairness.

votto eroticaMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  markakis21

I’m not sure how you get to 40+ with his bat and a solid SS/good 2B profile. Even 45 seems light as he’s now spent two seasons hitting very well in the high minors.

He’s a great off-season trade candidate who’s an mlb-ready MIF bat.

ED44Member since 2017
2 years ago

Was hoping for something on Edwin Arroyo (Cin), at least partly due to the glut of other SS candidates now on the MLB roster, mostly EDC and McClain. EDC looks legit there, but I wonder if longer term the team would get more value with him in CF, especially if Arroyo can make it up and produce at SS in the next few years.

dodgerbleu
2 years ago
Reply to  ED44

Yeah and Arroyo has been on fire for a couple months now. He had a 62 wRC+ 5.6% BB, 25.5% K through May 31.

Since June 1 he’s been at a 132 wRC+, 10.4% BB, 19.6% BB. FWIW, he also had 5 SB/2 CS before May 31 and is 22-4 since. He turned 20 a week ago. He seems ready for a taste of AA, kind of feels like the Reds being so stacked is a big reason why they seem to be slow playing him a bit after accelerating so many others. %

votto eroticaMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  ED44

While I understand the concept, moving Elly to CF is a waste imo. There’s a case that he’s better suited to 3B, but moving him off the dirt would be a mistake.

casey jMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  votto erotica

Id disagree, even though he has the tools to be solid at SS or 3B, he has everything you’d want physically in a CF… ultra quick, long limbs, ALL the speed, ALL the arm. He’d be likely to be no waste at all as a CF, maybe a standout.

linn
2 years ago
Reply to  casey j

Which players have made a “good transition” to a different position? Not many I can think of. Moving a generational talent doesn’t happen that much. Names I can think of off the top of my head, AROD, Yount,  Biggio, Chipper Jones,

O'VottoMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  linn

ask Nick Senzel how that worked out for him.

jfree
2 years ago

The more I see defense compilation videos, the more I realize that handedness really is purely situational not absolute. There are times (eg SS at pivot, 2B throwing to second/third, etc) when it is clearly advantageous for a lefty throw. Obviously 2nd, 3rd, SS are mostly RH advantaged. But 100% over the course of 120 years is clearly only a result of unchallenged assertion that becomes self-fulfilling.

Obviously it will remain illegal for a lefty thrower to play 2B/SS/3B at the MLB level for at least a decade longer than it remains illegal for them to play those in Little League. But for those who’ve coached/umped Little League, have you ever seen/tried that experiment yourself?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  jfree

MLB should give the home team the option of having both teams run the bases clockwise if they choose.

jfree
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Now THAT’S home field advantage – Bill Veeck style.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  jfree

I saw plenty of lefties playing SS when I umped little league a decade plus ago. Typically the best athlete with the best throwing arm was playing short regardless of handedness. At that level there really is no difference because it isn’t like anyone is smoothly fielding and throwing.

Most lefties with the arm strength and athleticism to play short are going to wind up on the mound long term. Eventually someone will probably break through, but there is a RH advantage on most plays, even if it is slight, that will incentivize lefties to play somewhere else on the diamond.

jfree
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

In a league where you can get home runs just by telling the kids ‘don’t stop. keep running’, defense doesn’t matter much. But experience matters at the next levels. And I agree that LH will tend to drift to P/1B/OF and there will never be a career LH at 2b,ss,3b. I was thinking more in-game shifts of defensive position

OtterMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  jfree

I think other than third, you could probably play a lefty in the majors if they’re athletic enough. Like if Elly was a lefty… well he’d be a pitcher.

baltfanMember since 2025
2 years ago

Watching the guys on video, it appears to me that Gunnar Henderson is a superior shortstop in the field to all of them. What is your opinion regarding that opinion?

kevo8Member since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  baltfan

Thumbing up not because I have a strong opinion about Gunnar vs the field, but rather I’m very curious about how he fits in. By most reports, he was considered about a 45 or 50 defensive shortstop and considered worse than Holliday or Ortiz, but these reports and his defensive stats (plus the eye test) make me reconsider that. Curious how he compares against all the top SS prospects, but especially as it relates to the BAL SS of the future.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  kevo8

The Statcast numbers say that he’s exactly a 50 defender.

kevo8Member since 2020
2 years ago

Very fair point, but he’s also put up 8 DRS and 4.3 UZR in about 1/3 of a season’s worth of shortstop innings. If you made me pick one advanced defensive stat, I’d take OAA, but I generally think it’s best to take a weighted average. Even if you assign 50% weight to OAA, 1/3 UZR, and just 1/6 DRS, he still comes out as a +8 runs/150 defender.

Small sample caveats apply HEAVILY here and I’m skeptical that’s his long term true talent level, but that’s a 55 or 60 defender.

baltfanMember since 2025
2 years ago

Witt was a bottom 1% defender by OAA last year. This year he is at or near the top. Gunnar has moved around a lot. He was brilliant last night but got dinged by OAA for a play that he was never going to get Carroll at first on.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  baltfan

I could definitely see Gunnar improving with time…but it’s worth noting that Witt is a tools freak for whom the game was too fast last year, while Gunnar was pegged as a guy with great reaction time but questionable range.

winnebagel
2 years ago

No mention whatsoever of Marco Luciano? Really ?

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
2 years ago

What was the reasoning for removing throwing from the player page?

LeschiLarryMember since 2025
2 years ago

Was at the Futures Game and Holliday looked “lethargic” in the field. Totally agree with your overview of his defense.

frankMember since 2025
2 years ago

Amador (SS, COL)?

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago

Somebody please tell the batter at 0:42 of the Lawlar video not to slide into first base.