Luis Arraez Really Could Hit .400

As one would expect, records and milestones often reflect the eras in which they’re achieved. Pitching records tend to be set in low-offense eras, while offensive milestones rack up more quickly at times when runs are plentiful. As the game ebbs and flows, certain benchmarks that are achievable in one era become far more difficult, or even impossible, in another. One of these achievements, which has long fascinated fans, is hitting .400. Even as batting average became a less relevant number in the post-Deadball era (and even less so as front offices gravitated toward other metrics 75 years later), baseball observers have still rooted for someone to hit .400. I’m one of them; not everything that’s fun has to be an amazing analytical tool, and vice-versa. Hits are, for lack of a better word, cool, and the ability to rack up value primarily via batting average has become far rarer than it used to be. And if hits are cool, Luis Arraez is in super-rad territory, as the Marlins second baseman is currently sitting at .398 as we approach the season’s halfway mark.
Whether you think the most recent .400 hitter was Ted Williams, who put up a .406 average in 1941, or Josh Gibson, who put up an impressive .466 for the Homestead Grays in 69 games a couple of years later, there are very few baseball fans remaining who have a living memory of a .400 hitter. After the Splendid Splinter hit .388 in 1957, it was another 20 years until anyone came that close (Rod Carew in 1977). There were always scattered attempts, such as George Brett‘s effort to sneak up to .400 when he hit a stunning .421 in the second half of the 1980 season (he ran out of calendar, finishing at .390). The offensive outburst of the 1990s wasn’t just in home runs, but in batting average as well, and there was another mini-run of .400 attempts. From 1993 through 2000, there were a surprising number of first-half hitters above .380: Tony Gwynn (twice), Larry Walker, Nomar Garciaparra, John Olerud, Darin Erstad, Todd Helton, Frank Thomas, and Paul O’Neill. Nobody’s been at .380 in the first half more recently, and since 2010, only Justin Turner’s gone into the All-Star break with a batting average north of .370.
As I noted above, records tend to be set in eras that are friendly to those achievements. The league hit .270 in 2000. This year, that figure is .248; the league hasn’t hit .260 since 2009. The lack of .400 hitters isn’t just a change in approach, either. While players are less focused on batting average these days, from 1901 to today, no qualifying player in a season of at least 100 games has beaten .390 in a season in which the league hit .260 or under:
| Name | Season | BA | League BA |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ty Cobb | 1913 | .390 | .259 |
| Ted Williams | 1957 | .388 | .258 |
| Tris Speaker | 1916 | .386 | .248 |
| Nap Lajoie | 1910 | .384 | .249 |
| Ty Cobb | 1917 | .383 | .249 |
| Ty Cobb | 1910 | .383 | .249 |
| Ty Cobb | 1918 | .382 | .254 |
| Ty Cobb | 1909 | .377 | .244 |
| Cy Seymour | 1905 | .377 | .248 |
| Nap Lajoie | 1904 | .376 | .247 |
| Joe Jackson | 1913 | .373 | .259 |
| Ty Cobb | 1916 | .371 | .248 |
| Benny Kauff | 1914 | .370 | .254 |
| Ty Cobb | 1915 | .369 | .250 |
| Wade Boggs | 1985 | .368 | .257 |
| Wade Boggs | 1988 | .366 | .254 |
| Rico Carty | 1970 | .366 | .254 |
| Stan Musial | 1946 | .365 | .257 |
| Mickey Mantle | 1957 | .365 | .258 |
| Rod Carew | 1974 | .364 | .257 |
Simply put, no player who isn’t an inner circle Hall of Famer has hit even .370 in a low-batting average environment since the Deadball Era, so Arraez’s .398 in the first half has earned some raised eyebrows. Indeed, my colleague Michael Baumann examined Arraez’s strong start just a few weeks ago, back when he was only hitting .392. There are still a few weeks go to complete the first half of the season, but if Arraez can hold onto his current average, he would have the third-best first half batting average since Teddy:
| Player | Year | G | BA | Final BA |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Stan Musial | 1948 | 76 | .403 | .376 |
| Rod Carew | 1983 | 58 | .402 | .339 |
| Luis Arraez | 2023 | 69 | .398 | ?? |
| Larry Walker | 1997 | 84 | .398 | .366 |
| Tommy Holmes | 1945 | 78 | .396 | .352 |
| John Olerud | 1993 | 87 | .395 | .363 |
| Rod Carew | 1977 | 88 | .394 | .388 |
| Tony Gwynn | 1997 | 82 | .394 | .372 |
| Andres Galarraga | 1993 | 69 | .391 | .370 |
| Nomar Garciaparra | 2000 | 68 | .389 | .372 |
| Ted Williams | 1948 | 71 | .388 | .369 |
| Darin Erstad | 2000 | 87 | .384 | .355 |
| Tony Gwynn | 1994 | 82 | .383 | .394 |
| Todd Helton | 2000 | 83 | .383 | .372 |
| Frank Thomas | 1994 | 86 | .383 | .353 |
| Rod Carew | 1974 | 93 | .382 | .364 |
| Paul O’Neill | 1994 | 78 | .382 | .359 |
| Larry Walker | 1999 | 73 | .382 | .379 |
| Derrek Lee | 2005 | 84 | .378 | .335 |
| Kenny Lofton | 1994 | 83 | .378 | .349 |
| Joe Mauer | 2006 | 76 | .378 | .347 |
| Justin Turner | 2017 | 65 | .377 | .322 |
| Chipper Jones | 2008 | 83 | .376 | .365 |
| Sandy Alomar | 1997 | 64 | .375 | .324 |
| Wade Boggs | 1987 | 87 | .375 | .363 |
We aren’t taking it easy on Arraez by only considering his performance through June 21, either; he’s only seven games short of Musial and is nearly a dozen past Carew.
So, will he do it? Probably not. But the scenario in which he does finish the season with a four as the first digit isn’t impossible or even implausible, just unlikely. Let’s run this through the ZiPS projections.
Like the in-season model, the full ZiPS model sees Arraez as a .334 hitter over the rest of the season. Since he’s projected to have less than half of his final 2023 at-bats (using ZiPS playing time), he would need to hit .403 over his 290 at-bats to finish the season at .400. I’m also not rounding up here; .3999999999 is not .400. Hitting .400 would mean 117 hits in those 290 at-bats, so to figure out his chances of getting those 117 hits, we could start with his .334 batting average and get a 0.79% chance of Arraez finishing at or above the .400 mark.
We could do it this way, but we’d be wrong.
ZiPS thinks Arraez is a .334 hitter but the system is aware that it’s not actually sure of that. He might be a .290 hitter or a .320 hitter or a .370 hitter. ZiPS doesn’t really know, and sees his underlying probability of a hit being a whole distribution around .334, not precisely .334. That uncertainty is what gives him a better chance than 0.79%, at least by the ZiPS’ estimation of his abilities. Because if Arraez is occasionally a .360 hitter, that’s a bigger boost to his chances than occasionally being a .300 hitter damages them.
Through Wednesday’s games, ZiPS thinks that Arraez will, on average, finish the season with a .364 batting average. That’s impressive in itself, the best batting average since Joe Mauer’s .365 in 2009 (I’m not counting DJ LeMahieu’s .364 mark in 50 games in 2020). But you’re really here for that sweet .400 fan service, and ZiPS thinks Arraez will deliver on that 2.9% of the time, or about once in 35 tries (sadly, he only gets one attempt this year). That’s unlikely but easily within the realm of possibility. Marcus Semien has hit a home run in 2.9% of his plate appearances this year; it’s not a likely result any given time at the plate, but I guarantee your mind isn’t completely blown when he knocks one over the fences. Arraez also has a 1.1% projected chance of catching Williams at .406. Nap Lajoie’s .426 from 1901 is sadly in that realm of implausibility, but I’m not greedy enough to be disappointed about that one.
Arraez isn’t likely to finish at .400, but he has a real chance. Hitting .400 is rarely easy, and these days, it would be a monumental achievement. If it were easy, then it wouldn’t matter. Plus, Arreaz has already achieved one feat that few would have ever expected: he’s made watching the Marlins bat must-see TV!
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Hitting .400 would be very cool!
Only one of the hitters in that list improved their batting average after June 21: Tony Gwynn in 1994, when the season infamously was cut short and the second “half” was only 46 games. Even Brett’s .390 occurred in a strike-shortened season whose second “half” began July 10 after a month off and featured only 72 games.
So I wonder if, in addition to the difficulty of sustaining a .375 average in a vacuum, there’s an additional fatigue component that makes Arraez’s chances lower than the 2.9% ZiPS spits out here.
I guess my question is: Does ZiPS account for these patterns when it considers rest-of-year projections? Or is this pattern (1 of 25 hitters batting .375 through 6/21 improving their average in the second half) what we would expect just given the difficulty of hitting for that average in the first place?
Brett hit .390 in 1980, not 1981. There was no strike in 1980. Brett missed time in 1980 because of injuries.
Indeed. It is worth mentioning that Brett’s .390 season was achieved in only 117 games, and that he barely snuck over the PA threshold (he finished with 515). But not due to a strike.
Looking over his career line just now, I’m surprised to see how much time he missed with injuries. I don’t recall him being thought of as a particularly injury-prone player, but he missed significant chunks throughout his career.
Hemorrhoids.
Hemorrhoids.
The fact that most of these hitters saw their averages decline in the second half is mostly just regression to the mean. If you hit .375+ in the first half, that surely means that you were good *and* lucky. Odds are, you’re not going to keep getting so lucky in the second half.
This is almost certainly correct. There are actually a fair number of players who have hit .375 or higher in the second half, but they don’t get the attention for it because they hit at a lower level in the first half. In other words, we’re selecting on players with unsustainable starts, they get a lot of attention, and then they fall back. If you wanted to, you could easily do the reverse after the year is over. But we don’t pay attention to it because their yearly average is lower thanks to their less-than exciting first half.
For example:
2016–Joey Votto hit .408 in the second half, but only .252 in the first half.
2012–Buster Posey hit .385 in the second half, but only .289 in the first half.
2011–Miguel Cabrera his .385 in the second half, but only .311 in the first half.
2004–Ichiro Suzuki hit .429 in the second half, but only .321 in the first half.
Some others who also hit well over .375 in the second half include Manny Ramirez in 2008, Victor Martinez in 2005, Johnny Damon in 2000, and George Brett in 1990. The reason we never heard about any of those seasons is because by the time they went on their hot streak, their first half had already foreclosed their ability to get to .400. So we just don’t pay attention to them in the same way.
.429 over half a season is absolutely insane, wow.
Fun fact: That was the year Ichiro Suzuki set the single season hits record. 262 hits, five more than the runner up (George Sisler, in 1920). Dude can literally set the hits record in a single season and he “only” batted .372. Should give you an idea of how unlikely a .400 batting average is.
Well, that’s partly because Ichiro batted leadoff and therefore obtained more PAs than usual in which to get those hits. In fact, he led all of MLB in PAs that year. (He also didn’t walk very often and also led all of MLB in ABs that year.)
Most of the guys shooting for .400 bat 2nd or 3rd in the order most of the time.
Ichiro was literally the best case scenario for setting the single-season record in hits:
-durability
-batted leadoff
-a somewhat aggressive approach (not a ton of walks)
-legendary contact skills
-speed to beat out grounders
Exactly. Batting even .370 is incredibly rare, to think someone is going to go thirty points above that is wishful thinking
In general wouldn’t we expect second half BAs to be higher, because warm weather is better for offense? I also suspect fatigue (or outright injury) affects pitchers more than hitters.
OK, let me test this… let’s go 2010-2019 because 2020 is 2020 and 2022 is plausibly affected by the lockout
year first half BA second half BA
2010 .259 .255
2011 .253 .258
2012 .254 .255
2013 .254 .253
2014 .252 .250
2015 .253 .256
2016 .257 .254
2017 .255 .255
2018 .247 .249
2019 .252 .253
Without doing any fancy statistical analysis, I feel pretty safe in saying there is no effect whatsoever and the tendency of high batting averages to fall is entirely regression to the mean.
This looks true even as you take it further – Helton nudged his BA up to .400 as late as August 21 in the 2000 season (up from .383 in the first half) before falling down to .372 for his final line. There are essentially zero examples of great seasons being achieved by being the same amount of great consistently for six months.
Williams in ’41 is about as consistent as you’ll get. He hit .405 in the 1st half, .406 in the 2nd.
You can break it down into 35-game quarters and his worst, from June 1 to the All-Star game, was still above .380.
The generalized in-season model is based off the interactions between projections and in-season models for every day of every season, so while that kind of thing should be captured in the model, it doesn’t explicitly look at *X/Y hitters hitting Z through W” or anything.
Though in most cases, Arraez’s BA will also drop, at least in ZiPS view.
my fear is people stop giving him anything to hit. but also we should look at his indexed average, because he has a better shot at the highest single season indexed average ever
He might be the perfect guy to keep getting pitches and not getting pitched around. His incredible batting line is due to his .447 OBP, and if you walk him, then his OBP for that plate appearance is 1.000. Meanwhile, his ISO is a mere .087; he only has an extra base hit in 6% of his PAs. Would you take the extra 55 percentage points of him getting out in exchange for the risk of a 6% chance of getting an extra base hit? I know I would.
(This is even before we get to the fact that his BA outperforms his xBA by 60 points, so you have to imagine he would be due to some regression to the mean.)
that’s a fair point
This. It makes far more sense to pitch to him than to walk him. So he will hopefully continue to see pitches regardless.
This idea makes sense if there’s somebody in scoring position and first base is open though depending on the game state.
And to boot he is not on an offensive juggernaut. He doesn’t steal to mention. He is the perfect guy to not worry too much about getting his hit.
Agreed, though intuition suggests pitchers do tend to pitch around hot-hitting singles hitters, for no reason I can fathom.
I might also be entirely wrong about this.
I don’t see that as a huge risk. He basically has zero power, so the worst he’s gonna do to you is hit a single. Even if he’s running a .414 babip, better to take a chance on that than the 100% chance he reaches base if he walks.
i get that, but pitchers don’t want to be on the other end of his highlight reel on the way to hitting .400. i’m just thinking about the psychological aspect of it. i don’t think players think logically/statistically in these extreme situations
I can see not wanting to give up Aaron Judge’s 62nd or even one in the 50’s. HR’s make highlight reels. But a single given up to Arraez in mid September? I don’t see that having the same impact.
Also, I’m not sure what you’re referring to with the indexed average, but if it’s anything like his AVG+ (batting average normalized for era, and I think also by park) the highest number since 1901 is Nap Lajoie’s 154 in 1910. Since 1951, which is I think when “actually modern” baseball started with integration, it’s Rod Carew with 146. (for reference, Ted Williams in 1941 was at 147)
As of right now, if you drop the PAs low enough to see him, Luis Arraez has an AVG+ of 159, which is only second behind Josh Gibson’s 164 in the Negro Leagues.
indexed average is avg+
I’m not sure how you stop giving him anything to hit! Arraez is hitting.286 with a .353 BABIP in the chase/waste Statcast zones! .292/.400 in 2022, .250/.357 in 2021. The league hits about .100 in those!
seems like he has a hole in his swing up and away
Even if they do stop pitching to him, how does that hurt his chances? A walk is neutral with regards to batting average. It may even help him, since he’ll have fewer ABs in which he needs to keep up the pace.
I think he’s saying that pitchers don’t intentionally walk him, but start giving him a bunch of pitches off the plate that are usually more difficult to make contact with. Some hitters, especially ones that don’t walk a lot, might end up getting frustrated and then chasing pitches outside the zone.
So, how many standard deviations was Ted Williams above the league batting average in 1941? And have any hitters since then beaten the league batting average by more standard deviations than that?
Also, has anyone since Ted Williams hit .400 over any full season-length stretch of games split over two seasons? IIRC, I think Wade Boggs hit .400 over a 162 game stretch split between the latter part of 1986 and the early part of 1987?
Sorry, wrong spot.
Both Wade Boggs and Tony Gwynn had stretches slightly over 162 games over two seasons were they hit .400 in the 1980’s.
If he hits .400 he should be MVP. Unanimously.
He surely would be in that case, right? Even in the analytics era, unique achievements definitely sway some votes. Think of Miggy’s Triple Crown season winning him the MVP over Trout, even though it was quite clear that Trout was the more valuable player overall by WAR. If Arraez hits .400 (or even makes a good run at it), he’ll definitely put up enough WAR that the MVP voters will all be comfortable picking him over anyone else who puts up a bit more WAR without any unique historic achievements.
No way. He’s so far behind acuna, carroll, freeman, Murphy, Betts, etc and that gap is only going to grow as they all play more. If he was within like half a win or even a win of those guys, maybe it’d be plausible, but he’s gonna finish at least 2 wins behind someone (probably multiple someones).
Get ready to feel old: Cabrera’s triple crown year was 11 years ago. I don’t think a unique accomplishment is going to do it anymore.
Have you looked at the NLE standings?
Miami is actually contending for the division despute being outscored. Something good is going on there.
And Arraez is a part of it.
So yes, if he/they keep it up, he has to be part of the conversation.
The real question is: can he?
And given his profile we are in uncharted territory.
He is playing deadball era baseball a hundred years after the fact.
I am aware the marlins don’t suck this year. Neither do the Braves, dodgers, and sneks
Oh, I just want to see them pitch though, not bat!
Sure. Much like Cleveland their calling card is the arms.
But on that team that makes Arraez a highlight, no? Going 5 for 5 over and over is not exactly common.
Niw, like early season Pitt, it is too early to get too hyped up over the Marlins and Arraez but *if* (big if) Miami keeps it up he should be somewhere in the discussion as a Black Swan.
“Miami is actually contending for the division despute being outscored. Something good is going on there.”
That’s actually a bad sign, not a good one
He’s pretty far back by fWAR, but bWAR has him in 6th place at 3.3 to Acuna’s 4.0 and ahead of Freeman, Murphy, and Betts.
If Arraez can hold at .400, that’s basically his best-case season scenario vs. everyone else’s random luck… It should be enough to keep him top-5 in bWAR or top-10 in fWAR.
(That’s a big if, of course)
If you’re assuming more voters use fg’s WAR rather than BB-Ref’s WAR, there’s a decent chance you’re incorrect. Voters, like people, are some combination of lazy, tired, and overworked, and BB-Ref’s WAR is easier to speed-find. Arraez trails the #1 there, Acuna, by just 0.6 WAR.
Acuña if healthy will likely put up the first 30/60 season in baseball history. Could easily be 30/70. He could also break the record for RBI from leadoff hitter. He’s also a billion times more famous. And at this rate he’ll blow him away in WAR, and unlike the Trout/Miggy situation, they won’t have similar offensive numbers.
I mean, Mark McGwire broke the damn home run record and the MVP went to the runner up. Tony Gwynn’s .394 was only good for 7th in the voting, and that was in the 90s.
I just don’t see history as on his side.
That said, if the Marlins put on a second half run and manage to pass the Braves while Arraez hits .400 then I could see it. Team success still matters for some voters (as it should IMO because “Most Valuable” isn’t context neutral).
Well, the Marlins division odds are now 2.0% so it’s more likely that he hits .400 than that they win the division, though I’d guess there’s a bit of overlap in those odds (the scenarios where they win include more than their fair share of scenarios where he hits .400).
Look to the arms.
Stuff happens.
Wouldn’t *expect* the fish to leave Atl in the dust but it’s not impossible. Not anymore.
Even Ted Williams himself only finished as the runner-up when he hit .406!
Yeah, but Williams lost out to a guy who had a 56 game hitting streak. And the last .400 hitter before Williams (George Sisler in 1922) was well within living memory of many fans. Hitting .400 so long after it was last done, and doing so when the league BA is under .250, would be a way bigger deal than Williams hitting .400.
Having said that, I actually agree with the broader point you and the other commenters on this subthread are making. I was too hasty in saying that Arraez would surely be MVP if he hits .400. I guess what I’d say is that, if Arraez hits .400 and is within, like, a couple of WAR of the WAR leader, I think he might well be the MVP. It would depend on exactly how close he was to the WAR lead, whether the Marlins make the playoffs, and on whether the WAR leader also could point to some historically rare/unique accomplishment. Because it does seem like several guys with historically rare/unique accomplishments who failed to win MVP despite leading in WAR or being fairly close, lost out to another guy with a historically rare/unique accomplishment who also led his team to the playoffs. Williams hit .406 and lost out to a guy with a 56 game hitting streak whose team won the WS. McGwire broke Maris’ record and lost out to a guy who also broke Maris’ record and led his team to the playoffs. Ohtani played two ways last year and lost out to a guy who hit 62 HR and led his team to the playoffs.
Hornsby hit over .400 between Sisler and Williams.
Twice in ’25 and ’24.
And Heilmann in ’23 and Terry in ’30.
Also Cobb and Hornsby both in the same year as Sisler.
It’s his only above average skill. Although it’s quite valuable.
I think putting fannies in the seats might also be in his skillset.
In the unlikely even that he does, I think his chances are pretty good. But I’m pretty sure if Ronald Acuna or Corbin Carroll lock down a 30-30 season while leading their team to the division title, I think they’re getting it.
And even if the season ended today, I don’t think Arraez should win it in the normative sense. Arraez’s problem is a weird one–he is just bad at anything that requires explosive moves forward. It’s weird because he’s not especially slow. But he only has three stolen base attempts, and he got caught twice; he is horrific moving in on ground balls (he has something like a -7 OAA on those balls already–no second baseman even comes close to that); he is especially likely to ground out into double plays; and his likelihood of taking extra bases is very far below average (about on the same level as Ty France and Andrew Vaughn). That stuff eventually adds up, even if offensively he contributes about the same amount as Acuna and Carroll.
He’s the most fun possible version of an empty average guy, but in the end he’s an empty average guy. Does nothing else well. Not an MVP by any stretch.
Totally agree, but i’m more respectful of it than you sound. I’m definitely watching for his stats. I’m excited for the possibility, but almost as a novelty. If somebody had 191 RBIs would we say they were MVP just flat out? Or 131 SB? Or 68 doubles? Or 20 wins? Just on those data points, probably not.
To be clear, I think what he’s doing is very cool. If you’re going to have a single standout skill, this is probably the most exciting one to pick. Just can’t agree that if he maintains this performance and ends up hitting .400, he should be MVP.
Exactly.
Does every player have to be a Trout clone?
Lets enjoy the oddballs while they shine.
If he *going* to win MVP?
Unlikely.
But lets not dismiss him too quickly.
Baseball surprises.
A more apt comparison would be a performance by another “flawed” (single-skill player), like Schwarber batting .198 and hitting 70 HRs. Would Schwarber get MVP? Would his season be more valuable than Arraez’s? Or Estury Ruiz slashes .260/.310/.390 but steals 180 bases, etc
The empty average guy has wRC+ 158 leading NL hitters.
The problem with Arraez’s MVP candidacy is not his bat, but his baserunning and defense.
IF (and this is not a small IF) Arraez was league average defensive 2B with average baserunning, he would have 3.1 fwar, very much in running for MVP on merit alone without the noteworthiness of .400 AVG.
It really depends on who votes. We don’t know who votes for what until mid-September.
Tell that to Ted Williams. Despite hitting .406, he was robbed of the 1941 AL MVP Award due to some Yankee putting up a 56-game hitting streak.
Also, the odds are somewhat increased by the possibility, like Brett in 1980, that he may miss some time. It’s easier to hit .400 over 502 PA than over 700….
I am pretty certain this is already baked into the zips odds. (Dan please correct me if I’m wrong)
Two things I took away from this article:
1 – Let’s go Arraez. I’m not a huge fan of his game, but it would be unbelievable to see 400 in this era and I’m all in!
2 – Frank Thomas is the biggest offensive freak the game has ever seen. There have been better bats (although I’d argue peak Frank may be the best right-handed hitter ever) such as Bonds, but the combination of power, average and eye make Frank so unique. No one else on that list had the power of Frank, and those that had good power were in Coors for these years. I know he’s a first ballot hall-of-famer, but sometimes I think Frank is still overlooked.
And those Nugenics commercials are gold, Jerry, gold!
“And fellas? She’ll like it too!” Grin, grin, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more…
Nah, Thomas is still behind the likes of Hornsby, Mays, Aaron, and Pujols at the very least on the list of best right-handed hitters in the game at their peaks. Thomas may have had more raw power than any of them, but the others were overall better hitters.
None of the players you listed had better peaks than Frank Thomas. I’m also not sure how they were “better” overall hitters.
Frank’s OPS+ his first 8 years:
177, 180, 174, 177, 212, 179, 178, and 181. He did that in the STEROID era too as a well-considered clean star. Pujols only had 4 years in his career with similar OPS+. Mays and Aaron were longevity superstar.
Hornsby has the best case of your group, but he played in a game that had no depth and no non-whites.
Alright, I’ll give you Mays and Aaron weren’t quite that good, but Thomas only beats out Pujols 178 to 175 when averaging the wRC+ of their best 7 full seasons, and that’s only due to Thomas putting up an incredible 205 wRC+ in the strike shortened ’94 season that probably would’ve regressed downward had they played 162 games. (Also keep in mind that Thomas’s rookie year when he only played 60 MLB games doesn’t count as a full season,)
As for Hornsby, his average peak wRC+ is 193! I don’t know what you mean by “no depth,” but wRC+ adjusts for the era.
wRC+ adjusts for not having black, Asian and Hispanic players? Can you explain how? I understand what you’re saying, but the baseline league-average production was MUCH lesser for Hornsby than Thomas because the league lacked depth and talent.
His numbers with men on base: 441/493/541. 135 ABS. 2 K’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 K’S!!!!!
Man is a god in real life and on stratomatic
But they keep batting him leadoff. I don’t understand why he’s not batting 3rd or 4th. Singles score RISP!
The Marlins have other guys in scoring position? I thought it was mostly Arraez.
All jokes aside…Jesus Sanchez, Bryan De La Cruz, and Jorge Soler
Nap Lajoie’s .426 in 1901 doesn’t really count, since it was before the American League adopted the foul strike rule. I don’t count the Negro Leagues either, so I consider the modern record as belonging to Rogers Hornsby and his .424 batting average in 1924.
See this is where I have to object to the idea that we can really count things before integration in the same way as we do afterwards. A good chunk of the best professional baseball players were excluded from MLB and we decide to “count” one segregated league but not the other? One was better than the other but it really isn’t comparable in any obvious way to the modern integrated game that started in the 1950s.
MLB before integration still had much better overall pitching that, yes, still made it obviously comparable as to how difficult it was to hit .400 as it was after integration. The Negro Leagues and the lack of the foul strike rule were practically different games when it came to batting average.
However, if you want to compile a list of “modern” baseball records as beginning in 1950 or so, be my guest. Even then, many of the best baseball players from foreign countries didn’t join MLB in large numbers until long after that.
Its kind of a sliding scale, right? One segregated league had 90% of the players that would be an integrated league and the other league had 10%.
It’s probably more like 20% and 80% but if you took out 20% of the players in MLB at random the league would look way different because every time you removed a Ronald Acuna Jr or Mookie Betts you’d have to replace them with Eli White or Jonny DeLuca.
But you’d also be removing a lot of Eli Whites.
The harder thing with counting records like single-season average in the Negro Leagues is the (documented) length of season. Gibson’s .466 was in only 249 ABs over 69 games.
It’s supposed to be hard. If it wasn’t hard, everyone would do it. The hard is what makes it great.
They should give Arraez a few extra days off the rest of the way to give him rest and reduce his PAs, especially against LHPs. If you’re able to do it against teams with good defenses, you nudge the odds up even more.
Since Ted Williams hit .406 in 1941 only four players have ever reached 400 PA’s into a season still hitting .400.
Todd Helton, 518 PA, 2000
George Brett, 461 PA, 1980
john Olerud, 450 PA, 1993
Larry Walker, 409 PA, 1997
It’s almost like something was different in the game in the 1993-2000 era…
They added a stadium in CO?
Look at the batting average in the AL in that period compared to outside the timeframe.
While I can’t wrap my head around any kind of argument that Olerud might be a juicer… Interestingly to your point, The 1993-2000 guys were probably facing a good number of pitchers who were using, which might make their accomplishments all the more impressive.
1993-2000 was the most inflated offensive period in MLB’s history. I’m guessing it wasn’t because pitchers were juicing.
Arraez is fun because he’s a go-to example of “Realistic? No, but fun while it lasts.”
Luis Arraez was back up to a .400 batting average across his first 67 games of the season.
Here are some more players who hit .400 over a 67-game stretch just this century:
I want to see him get the PA to ‘qualify’ or whatever its called for leaderboards, get over .400, then sit the rest of the season. I just want to see the four