Making Sense of the MVP Races

There’s quite a lot of bickering in sports, and not many things bring out more vehement disagreement than discussions involving who should get various awards. Even now, nearly 30 years later, when I think about Mo Vaughn beating out Albert Belle for the 1995 AL MVP, or Dante Bichette finishing second in that year’s NL race despite putting up just 1.8 WAR, I have to suppress a compelling desire to flip over a table. This year, thankfully, it’s hard to imagine the MVP voting results will be anywhere near as egregious as the ones we saw in ’95. That’s because the way MVP voters in the BBWAA evaluate players has changed dramatically since then.
Aaron Judge has easily the best traditional case for the AL MVP award if the season ended today. He leads the league in two of the main old-school batting stats: home runs and RBI. Bobby Witt Jr. and his .347 batting average is all that would stand between Judge and the Triple Crown. For what it’s worth, Judge would win the MLB Triple Crown, with twice the emeralds, rather than the AL one.
For most of baseball history, beginning with the first time the BBWAA handed out the award in 1931, numbers like these usually would’ve been good enough to win MVP honors. It also would’ve helped Judge’s case that the Yankees have one of the best records in baseball. If this were 30 years ago, Judge would all but officially have this thing wrapped up, barring an injury or the worst slump of his career.
But it’s the 2020s, not the 1990s, and I doubt anyone would dispute too strenuously the notion that ideas on performance, and their related awards, have shifted in recent years. Now, when talking about either an advanced offense statistic like wRC+ or a modern framework statistic like WAR, Judge certainly is no slouch. He currently leads baseball with 8.3 WAR, and his 218 wRC+ would be the eighth-highest seasonal mark in AL/NL history, behind only seasons by Barry Bonds, Babe Ruth, and Ted Williams. But by WAR, his lead is a small one, roughly two-tenths of a run (!) over Bobby Witt Jr., who has surged since the start of July (.439/.476/.803, 247 wRC+ in 33 games) to supplant Gunnar Henderson as Judge’s main competition for the award. Henderson was right there with Judge for much of the early part of the season, and though he’s fallen off a bit, he’s still fourth in the majors with 6.4 WAR and capable of catching fire again at any time. With a month and a half left, Juan Soto can’t be completely counted out either.
| Name | PA | HR | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG | WAR | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aaron Judge | 528 | 42 | 107 | .329 | .463 | .699 | 8.3 | 218 |
| Bobby Witt Jr. | 524 | 23 | 88 | .347 | .395 | .608 | 8.3 | 172 |
| Juan Soto | 534 | 30 | 82 | .302 | .431 | .586 | 7.0 | 186 |
| Gunnar Henderson | 532 | 29 | 69 | .290 | .376 | .553 | 6.4 | 161 |
| Jarren Duran | 542 | 14 | 58 | .291 | .349 | .502 | 5.2 | 131 |
| José Ramírez | 502 | 31 | 97 | .282 | .333 | .544 | 4.5 | 141 |
| Rafael Devers | 458 | 25 | 71 | .296 | .378 | .585 | 4.2 | 155 |
| Steven Kwan | 409 | 13 | 36 | .326 | .386 | .485 | 4.2 | 149 |
| Yordan Alvarez | 488 | 25 | 64 | .308 | .395 | .562 | 3.8 | 163 |
| Brent Rooker | 431 | 29 | 83 | .291 | .367 | .585 | 3.7 | 167 |
| Cal Raleigh | 449 | 26 | 76 | .217 | .310 | .448 | 3.6 | 114 |
| Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 515 | 23 | 76 | .321 | .394 | .545 | 3.6 | 163 |
| Carlos Correa | 317 | 13 | 47 | .308 | .377 | .520 | 3.6 | 151 |
| Corey Seager | 458 | 26 | 63 | .277 | .356 | .506 | 3.4 | 135 |
| Anthony Volpe | 534 | 11 | 46 | .251 | .299 | .390 | 3.2 | 95 |
| Byron Buxton | 335 | 16 | 49 | .275 | .334 | .528 | 3.2 | 140 |
| Kyle Tucker | 262 | 19 | 40 | .266 | .395 | .584 | 3.1 | 172 |
| Jose Altuve | 512 | 15 | 50 | .304 | .355 | .443 | 3.1 | 127 |
| Colton Cowser | 393 | 18 | 54 | .250 | .328 | .460 | 3.1 | 122 |
| Marcus Semien | 525 | 17 | 58 | .241 | .314 | .400 | 3.0 | 99 |
A similar dynamic persists in the NL. Shohei Ohtani has looked a lot like the obvious MVP choice for much of the season, as he’s done, well, one half of the Shohei Ohtani thing: He is murdering baseballs and pitchers’ dreams. But as with Judge, there’s some serious competition when you look at WAR. Ohtani stands at the top, but by a fraction of a run ahead of Elly De La Cruz. Ketel Marte and Francisco Lindor are both within five runs of Ohtani, and nobody serious has ever claimed you can use WAR to conclusively settle disputes on differences that small. De La Cruz has more WAR than Ohtani since the start of June, and the latter two have more than the Dodgers slugger since the beginning of May. Marcell Ozuna, who has strong traditional stats (.302 BA, 35 HR, 90 RBI) shouldn’t be completely discounted if the Braves show signs of life; those numbers still matter, just not to the extent that they once did. With a fairly wide open race, there are plenty of stars with name power lurking just behind the leaders, such as Bryce Harper and Freddie Freeman.
| Name | PA | HR | RBI | AVG | OBP | SLG | WAR | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shohei Ohtani | 530 | 36 | 85 | .298 | .386 | .621 | 5.8 | 175 |
| Elly De La Cruz | 507 | 21 | 51 | .266 | .350 | .499 | 5.7 | 130 |
| Ketel Marte | 496 | 30 | 81 | .298 | .369 | .561 | 5.4 | 152 |
| Francisco Lindor | 538 | 22 | 67 | .260 | .333 | .457 | 5.3 | 125 |
| Matt Chapman | 507 | 19 | 60 | .247 | .335 | .446 | 4.0 | 122 |
| Marcell Ozuna | 500 | 35 | 90 | .302 | .374 | .591 | 4.0 | 164 |
| Bryce Harper | 455 | 26 | 72 | .279 | .371 | .541 | 3.8 | 148 |
| Jurickson Profar | 490 | 19 | 72 | .297 | .395 | .487 | 3.8 | 153 |
| Willy Adames | 510 | 21 | 80 | .253 | .335 | .453 | 3.7 | 119 |
| Alec Bohm | 497 | 12 | 80 | .297 | .350 | .481 | 3.6 | 129 |
| Patrick Bailey | 350 | 7 | 37 | .238 | .304 | .350 | 3.5 | 88 |
| Freddie Freeman | 485 | 17 | 71 | .286 | .390 | .493 | 3.5 | 146 |
| Mookie Betts | 335 | 11 | 43 | .307 | .406 | .498 | 3.5 | 157 |
| Jackson Merrill | 439 | 17 | 64 | .289 | .321 | .479 | 3.4 | 125 |
| William Contreras | 510 | 14 | 68 | .286 | .359 | .457 | 3.4 | 128 |
| Kyle Schwarber | 498 | 27 | 74 | .257 | .388 | .494 | 3.1 | 145 |
| Christian Yelich | 315 | 11 | 42 | .315 | .406 | .504 | 3.0 | 154 |
| Teoscar Hernández | 498 | 26 | 79 | .272 | .336 | .507 | 3.0 | 136 |
| Brenton Doyle | 467 | 20 | 59 | .265 | .324 | .468 | 2.9 | 103 |
| Christian Walker | 461 | 23 | 71 | .254 | .338 | .476 | 2.8 | 124 |
The answer of who should win the MVP awards is one we probably can’t answer beyond me giving my opinion, which I won’t do given the likelihood that I will be voting for one of the awards. But who will win the MVP awards is something we can make a reasonable stab at predicting. It’s actually been a while since I approached the topic, but I’ve long had a model derived from history to project the major year-end awards given out by the BBWAA. It was due for some updates, because the voters have changed. Some of the traditional things that voters prioritized, like team quality, have been de-emphasized by voters, though not completely. And the biggest change is the existence of WAR. Whatever flavor you prefer, be it Baseball Reference, Baseball Prospectus, or the smooth, creamy swirl that can be scooped by our display window, this general stat has changed a lot about how performance is perceived.
There have been 47 MVP awards presented to position players who finished their seasons with fewer than 6.0 WAR; that’s more than a quarter of all hitter MVP seasons. However, excluding 2020, a hitter has not won an MVP without reaching that threshold since ’06, when both winners fell short: the NL’s Ryan Howard had 5.92 WAR, while AL winner Justin Morneau had 3.77 WAR.
When modeling the data, I use all the votes, not just the winners, and WAR is a pretty lousy variable when predicting voter behavior throughout most of history. That’s not surprising on its face since we’ve had WAR to use for only the last 15 years or so, making it impossible for most awards to have explicitly considered it. But there also appears to be only marginal implicit consideration, in which voters based their votes on the things that go into WAR without using the actual statistic. There’s a great deal of correlation between winning awards and high WARs in history, but that’s only because two of the things that voters have really liked, home runs and batting average, also tend to lead to higher WAR numbers. As an independent variable, WAR doesn’t help explain votes very well. That is, until about the year 2000.
If you only look at votes since 2000, all of a sudden, WAR goes from an irrelevant variable to one of the key components in a voting model. Voters in 2002 may not have been able to actually look at WAR, but even before Moneyball was a thing, baseball writers were paying much more attention to OBP, SLG, and defensive value at least partially because of analysts like Bill James, Pete Palmer, and John Thorn in the 1980s and ’90s. Now, depending on your approach, once you deal with the correlations between variables, WAR comes out as one of or the most crucial MVP variable today. Could you imagine a world, even just 20 years ago, in which owners would propose paying players based on what sabermetrics nerds on the internet concocted?
The model I use, which I spent most of last week updating, takes modern voting behaviors into consideration. I use all three WAR variants listed above because it’s not clear which one most voters use. Here is how ZiPS currently sees the two MVP races this season:
| Player | Probability |
|---|---|
| Aaron Judge | 56.7% |
| Bobby Witt Jr. | 25.5% |
| Juan Soto | 9.8% |
| Gunnar Henderson | 3.1% |
| José Ramírez | 1.3% |
| Jarren Duran | 0.6% |
| Anthony Santander | 0.5% |
| Yordan Alvarez | 0.3% |
| Rafael Devers | 0.3% |
| Brent Rooker | 0.2% |
| Others | 1.7% |
This model thinks Judge is the favorite, but his odds to lose are nearly a coin flip. Witt is the runner-up, followed by Soto, Henderson, and the somehow-still-underrated José Ramírez. If we look at a model that considers all the BBWAA-voting years rather than just the 21st century results, this becomes a much more lopsided race.
| Player | Probability |
|---|---|
| Aaron Judge | 75.7% |
| José Ramírez | 5.4% |
| Bobby Witt Jr. | 4.5% |
| Juan Soto | 3.9% |
| Anthony Santander | 3.3% |
| Gunnar Henderson | 1.2% |
| Josh Naylor | 1.1% |
| Steven Kwan | 0.5% |
| Yordan Alvarez | 0.5% |
| Brent Rooker | 0.3% |
| Others | 3.6% |
Over in the NL, the updated ZiPS model sees a race that’s far more uncertain than the one in the AL.
| Player | Probability |
|---|---|
| Shohei Ohtani | 34.3% |
| Elly De La Cruz | 22.7% |
| Ketel Marte | 11.3% |
| Marcell Ozuna | 6.9% |
| Francisco Lindor | 4.6% |
| Jurickson Profar | 3.2% |
| Bryce Harper | 1.7% |
| Kyle Schwarber | 1.4% |
| Teoscar Hernández | 1.4% |
| Alec Bohm | 1.1% |
| Others | 11.3% |
Ohtani comes out as the favorite, but he has less than a one-in-three chance to win it. Behind him are the other WAR leaders, plus Ozuna.
| Player | Probability |
|---|---|
| Shohei Ohtani | 50.8% |
| Marcell Ozuna | 37.6% |
| Ketel Marte | 5.7% |
| Elly De La Cruz | 1.2% |
| Teoscar Hernández | 1.0% |
| Jurickson Profar | 0.8% |
| Kyle Schwarber | 0.7% |
| Bryce Harper | 0.5% |
| Alec Bohm | 0.4% |
| Christian Yelich | 0.3% |
| Others | 1.0% |
Some of the WAR leaders without strong Triple Crown numbers, like Lindor, drop off considerably based on the entire history of voting, while Ozuna becomes a co-favorite with Ohtani. I haven’t talked about pitchers much in this article; they’re still included in the model, but none make the top 10 in the projected probabilities. Simply put, the willingness to vote pitchers for MVP seems to have declined over time. ZiPS doesn’t think any pitcher has been as dominant this season as the two most recent starters to win the award, Clayton Kershaw in 2014 and Justin Verlander in ’11, and closers these days typically can’t expect to get more than a few stray votes at the bottom of ballots.
It’ll be interesting to see how voting continues to change moving forward. In any case, no matter who you support for the MVP awards, strap in because there’s still plenty of baseball left to be played.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Still a lot of baseball left to play so it will probably sort itself out. But I personally lean Witt for the AL here. He has a chance to have the best offensive season for a shortstop in the last 70 years, and he’s doing it while simultaneously being the best defender in baseball at the hardest position on the diamond. Judge’s season has been incredible and I think he’s a slam dunk hall of famer now, but Witt’s season is being a little bit underrated to me because defense just doesn’t get as much of an appreciation as offense.
Yeah, defensive metrics are hazy (B-R has EDLC as a scratch defender), but not only is there a consensus that Witt is an elite SS, his offensive numbers are extraordinary for the position, and you don’t need to argue for any particular flavor of Def to see this as a potential all-time season.
Witt’s offensive numbers are extraordinary, period.
Are we talking likelihood to win or for whom we’d vote?
I think Judge/Witt is the same principle as Acuna/Betts last year – if it’s close WAR-wise, Judge *will* win, because Rule of Cool from a 200+ wRC+ season.
Though Betts was declared the MVP by a lot of people a few weeks before the end of the season, before Acuña finished strong and the WAR argument (which along with the “position flexibility” argument, which has seemingly never mattered for MVP, was Betts’ best case) went away. Which is to say on August 13 it is way to early to crown an MVP when you have two players having historic seasons, even if I do agree if the season ended today the only question would be whether Judge gets 30 1st place votes.
Is SS really harder than catcher?
Nah
Is this model run using the WAR calculation as it is today, or the version that was available to voters at the time of the vote? If we’re going back to 2006, the WAR voters saw may be somewhat different than our estimates today, at the very least in what defensive numbers are used. I don’t have a good sense of whether this would have affected MVP voting or how often these revisions have happened.
Would the Yanks be in the playoff hunt if Judge was out of their lineup? I believe they would
Would the Royals be in the hunt if they didn’t have Witt? Not even close…. So I believe Witt is the most valuable player to his teams success
I don’t really agree with that kind of argument when it comes to MVP voting, but even with that I would argue that Judge is as important to his team’s success as any player in baseball. Their 3rd best hitter is Austin Wells
Yeah, it’s a nonsense argument, and it’s also what cost Judge his 2017 MVP to Altuve. We don’t need to see that again.
The Yankees would be last in their division and ~15 games below .500 without Judge
Judge is immensely valuable to the Yankees, but I don’t think his presence alone has made a difference between 20 games over .500 and 15 games under; that’s a 17.5-game swing over 120, or 23.6 wins over a full season!
I disagree. Without Judge, the Yankees would be in the same mindset last year without Soto. Everyone would go to the ballpark every day for six months straight and know that the team has no shot at the playoffs and players would phone it in over the grind of 162.
It’s no surprise that adding one of the best hitters to have ever lived has lifted this team from middling .500 to my pick to win the best division in baseball.
“I guess this $500 bill is worthless since I can’t use it to buy a whole house.”
A $500 bill – a/k/a the ol’ John Marshall! (and, later, Billy McKinley)
If only we had a metric to determine which player has the most value in a given season
0% chance the Yankees are anything without Judge.
when foolish baseball put judge number 1 in the 2024 foolish 50 over acuna, people LAUGHED
Not the Foolish 50! Say it ain’t so!
After reading up on 2023’s thickheaded thirty, I cannot WAIT to see next year’s harebrained hundred!
If the season ended today—so robbing him of another 150 PAs or so—he would have the best non-A Rod shortstop season since Cal Ripken Jr. If you prorate his stats out for another 150 PAs he would finish with 10.6 fWAR. That would tie Cal Ripken’s 1991 season and to find a higher one you would have to go back to 1948.
Meanwhile, Judge is having the best hitting season aside from a steroid-riddled Barry Bonds since Ted Williams in 1957. If you prorate his current performance out, he would finish almost a full win ahead of Williams that year since Williams only has 546 PAs. If you require at least 600 PAs and exclude the steroid era and limit it to the American and National Leagues, you have to go back to Babe Ruth in 1923.
These two years are on pace to be two of the best seasons since integration. Aside from Judge’s own crazy 2022, a year or two of Ohtani, and Barry Bonds roiding out, there hasn’t been anything like this lately. These are best-in-decade level performances.
If the awards were given to “the three most valuable players in all of MLB,” it’d be Judge, Witt, and…Soto? Gunnar? Shohei? ELDC? I’d prefer this consideration to a league-specific award.
Probably Judge, Witt, and Soto. Pretty clear separation for me between Judge / Witt (top 2) and Soto (#3), and then between Soto and Gunnar / Ohtani (top 5).
In a normal year Soto would be an obvious choice. With another 150 PAs at this rate he would be somewhere between 8.5 and 9 wins. But unless he (somehow) gets hotter or both Witt and Judge fall off he’s not really a serious candidate for me for MVP.
“But unless he (somehow) gets hotter”
As I type this, he just hit his third homer of the night!
For example: 10.6 fWAR is higher than any single season posted by Mike Schmidt, Johnny Bench, Mike Trout, Albert Pujols, Rickey Henderson, Wade Boggs, Mookie Betts, Robin Yount, or Ken Griffey Jr. These guys all had crazy peak years and these two are 75% of the way through a season where they are on pace to have a better year than any of them.
Oddly, several of those players had their highest single-season WAR in a year in which they missed 20+ games.
Griffey: 9.7 WAR in 140 games in 1996
Betts: 10.2 WAR in 136 games in 2018
Trout: 10.1 WAR in 139 games in 2012
Henderson: 10.2 WAR in 136 games in 1990
And then there’s Mike Schmidt. In the 1981 strike season, he put up 7.8 WAR in only 102 games (he missed 6 games). Prorated for a full season, that comes out to a stunning 11.7 WAR.
Special shoutout to George Brett in 1980 a season in which he only played 117 games. A 9.1 WAR season that prorates to 12.6 (!!!!!!!!!) over 162.
If I had to pick I would go with Judge, mostly because I think the position adjustment for shortstop is generous. For similar reasons I would go with Ohtani (I think the DH penalty might be too harsh). But I think there’s a chance the voters will reward a “fresh” face. And the choice would be justified because it’s so close you could go either way.
I say this as a person who picked Witt for AL MVP and thinks what he is doing is the kind of season that gets cited in Hall of Fame cases.
I think a lot about the uncertainty-ness of defense, especially in a single year and especially in ~120 games that we are at so far.
I don’t think it’s incorrect to say that Witt Jr is an elite fielding shortstop, but I do think we should have some error bars around the defensive runs added/saved and overall value attributed to that in WAR. Even though we’ve got great data today than we did even 3-4 years ago, there are still a lot of different ways to measure defense and I think the measurement is less precise than offensive measurement.
On the other hand, we’ve got a pretty good idea how to measure offense, at least hitting (not sure how to categorize the state of baserunning measurement but it seems fine?). Hitting can also pretty “accurately” adjusted for context (though not quality of opponent outside of some stuff over at BP). Accurately might not be the right word, but hitting has smaller error bars than fielding over a small sample of play like 600 PA.
I think I’d probably want to look at total runs added via a weight of 70% hitting/30 fielding? 65/35? 60/40? Some weight were the fielding impact is lessened.
Part of this is due to that Player A might be a very good fielding shortstop, but the team has Player B who is an elite fielding shortstop, so Player A gets moved to 2B/3B. Whereas for hitting, that isn’t really the case because for the most part, a hitters contribution in the batters box is independent of the rest of the roster.
Judge has been worth ~60% more in total batting runs above average (using batting value metric here), in 72.7 for him vs 47.1 for Witt Jr. Now, Witt Jr is ~15 runs better on defense, but Judge has had to bounce around between CF/RF/DH due to injuries of other players on the roster.
I think if the hitting lines were closer, the error bars on defense get less relevant, but Judge has just so clearly been the best hitter in the league this year, by 30% more in wRC+ than the next guy, that I’m willing to lean more into the hitting side of WAR than overall.
By your Player A/B analogy, isn’t Judge’s defensive value inflated since the Yankees have shoe-horned him into CF due to the lack of better options?
I don’t think a “fresh face” will be a factor. Judge only has one MVP, is 32, and should’ve won in 2017 already. He’s been unambiguously historically great and maybe won’t be for much longer.
Ohtani has 2 mvps but if he wins will be the 2nd player in mlb history after Frank Robinson to win in both leagues as far as I can tell.
I think even if the season ended today Aaron Judge would be a Hall of Famer for me. His peak has been so good, it almost doesn’t matter that he got a late start and his counting stats and career WAR aren’t super high. He’s been so dominant.
I agree. I’ve made this point before but we’ve seen a lot of players be good or a really good for a long time, we’ve seen very few that have done what Judge has done for any amount of time.
All that, and he isn’t even eligible till he plays a game next year. Short of a career ending injury in the very near future, I don’t think he will have any trouble getting elected.
He’s right up there with Jim Rice, as “Feared Hitters” go!
But seriously – Aaron Judge is why JAWS.
Aaron Judge is not that far off of the magical 50-WAR mark in fWAR that denotes a “serious candidate.” Jim Rice is at something like 50.8; Vlad Sr is at 54.5.
Amazing to me that Judge’s 48 WAR or whatever he has is *also* his peak. His “peak” at the end of this year is going to be roughly equivalent to the entire case for actual Hall of Famers.
Add me to the list that is in agreement with you. Koufax only had 6 years of significance and Puckett who, while very good, can’t be compared to Judge are reasonable examples of short tenures who have made the Hall. I will be interested in how Buster Posey is seen. Only 1500 hits but very possibly the most influential player of the 10’s. He is a first ballot selection in my opinion.
I think catchers should–and, with Mauer’s entry, are–getting more recognition for their holistic and long term contributions. That said, I think Posey is an easy slam dunk, as he checks all the Narrative boxes as well as the statistical ones.
Now, when Russell Martin gets his due, then I’ll be happy 🙂
I have complained since forever that the Hall of Fame has really been the Hall of Offense with only a few exceptions. There is a direct relationship between teams having a great catcher and it coinciding with a long period of consistent contention. The latest, and probably the best, example is the Cardinals collapse the year after Yadier Molina retired. So much of what the catcher does is not seen on the scorecard or in the statistics. Even if the stats are available, blocking and controlling the running game for instance, these are too obscure for the average fan. I am absolutely willing to go way, way back to the days of Mickey Cochrane, Gabby Hartnett and Bill Dickey to see that correlation. The names that followed, Berra, Campanella, Bench, Fisk, Mauer, Posada and the aforementioned Posey, all played a major role in their teams success for several years. It isn’t a coincidence that the Orioles sudden turnaround occurred on the exact day that Adley Rutschman made his major league debut. Team success is the reason games are played and no player has a larger role than the catcher.
As long as the pendulum doesn’t swing too far toward defensive recognition – we damn sure don’t need to see Omar Vizquel in there.
I had him as grey area in before the year, he’s a clear pick for the HOF now.
So like Sandy Koufax, but a hitter.
Ralph Kiner would be roughly the comp
Given ongoing changes in pitcher usage, is Kershaw going to be the last pure pitcher (as opposed to two-way player) to win MVP?
Probably, and that’s kind of how it should be anyway. Pitchers have the Cy Young, but hitters don’t have an equivalent award (nobody cares about Silver Sluggers)
I mean, the Hank Aaron Award exists, and it would be nice if it were made a bigger deal, so that we could put pitchers and hitters on relatively equal MVP ground.
It will never stop bothering me that Derek Jeter won the Hank Aaron Award in 2006 while playing an average defensive shortstop, and lost out on the MVP award to Justin Morneau.
Is Chris Sale really not a candidate this year? I don’t know if Dan ran these numbers prior to yesterday, but after Sale’s masterpiece, he has 4.9 WAR and is four Ks behind Cease for the pitching triple crown. Without any traditionally strong candidates (I’d argue Ohtani DHing makes it nearly impossible to call him a traditionally strong candidate), I think Sale has some chance. Hell of a lot better than Christian Yelich or Kyle Schwarber.
Unless medical advances enable Jacob DeGrom to throw 300 innings like Nolan Ryan. He’d have 15 WAR or something. These scientists are pretty bright guys.
On that note, is Eric Gagne going to be the last reliever to win a CYA?
Clase will get some votes this year.
What a silly era for baseball that relievers were winning CYAs
I could definitely see it again. Bautista was getting some run for CY last year. It would take an especially dominant reliever season combined with a paucity of good SP candidates; but with starters throwing fewer and fewer IP, I could see it happening
“Mo Valuable”
Takes me right back.
Hey Dan – I appreciate the article, but I think you ignored the elephant in the room: defensive value/adjustment. It’s the reason Witt catches up to Judge and anyone catches up to Ohtani. So in my mind, the MVP decision ultimately comes down what we believe the error bars are for defensive metrics.
Sadtrombone vocalized his thoughts, so I’ll briefly express mine. I am so thankful that they exist and shed light on how valuable defense can be, but there is still a ton of variance in them. Of particular concern is that the metrics have to say Elly/Witt are absolutely outstanding AND that Judge/Ohtani provide significant NEGATIVE value just to make it a virtual tie.
That feels like we’re putting a lot of faith in defensive metrics just to have this discussion. In that circumstance, I’m going to fall back on the metrics I have greater confidence to make my decision.
True, but it also goes both ways. Those positional adjustments are what separate Derek Jeter and Mark Grace. I think there are a few runs of give one way or the other, but I don’t think it’s a *major* problem.
OAA is more accurate than UZR but tends to give more extreme values at the top and bottom of the distribution. (It is both more accurate and less extreme than DRS). I think it’s worth regressing defensive performance as measured by OAA a little bit back towards neutral for this reason. For this reason I’m a little skeptical of the magnitude of Witt, Lindor, and EDLC’s defensive numbers (alongside Jacob Young, Marcus Semien, etc), even though the ordinal ranking of defensive performance is probably correct.
But again, it’s so close.
Yeah, it’s so close that I’d be inclined to look at RE24 vs wRAA, if we’re quibbling defensive magnitudes.
(Witt’s at +5 runs and Judge is at -2)
Why would we think the extreme numbers are wrong?
I don’t see why error bars matter. A voter should use their best estimate of value. Why does it matter if the number is 10 +/- 1 or 10 +/- 100? The best estimate is still 10.
If the voter reduces the number because it’s less precise they’re not making their best estimate.
That’s not to say that the voter can’t think the position adjustment is wrong or that the player was a better or worse fielder than the numbers say. But that is different from saying “I think the fielding numbers are probably right but I’m less sure so I won’t count them as much.”
I may be confused here but it seems to me that, provided that you believe defensive stats are too noisy to be trusted on the single-season level, your “best estimate” would indeed be one that regresses them to their multi-season mean by some amount.
I’m under the impression that defensive metrics are noisy but still the best estimate of actual performance – not underlying skill.
If Statcast shows OAA of 10 it means that Statcast reckons that the player caused 10 outs above average in that season. It does not mean that the player caused “10 regressed to some multi-season value” outs above average, say 7, in that season.
Therefore Statcast’s best estimate of the player’s defensive contribution in that season is 10 OAA with a giant error bar.
If a voter uses 7 rather than 10 purely to reduce error bar they are measuring something other than the player’s OAA in that season.
It is more likely that the player caused 10 OAA than 7 – if one solely uses Statcast.
Is that not correct?
That is correct, but just to be clear, separating the signal from the “noise” (aka measurement error) is a different problem from the distinction you’re correctly making between “actual performance [and] underlying skill.” It’s right to find a problem with voters using predictive “skill” metrics in retrospective awards — indeed this seems like it’s becoming a bigger and bigger problem as less statistically literate people start digging through players’ Fangraphs pages looking for arguments — but that’s not the same thing as attempting to discount for noisy/inaccurate measurement of retrospective performance.
It was Matt Kemp Day at Dodger Stadium recently, and talk about a guy who was robbed of an MVP in the most underhanded way…
I know this is unpopular, but I would vote Juan Soto over Judge today simply because he has more WPA while also having substantially more defensive WAR.
But really it should be Bobby Witt Jr for having the largest percentage of his team’s win shares through the bat while also being a great baserunner and defensive super star.
Also by this logic (perfectly sound imo), Jurickson Profar aught to get serious consideration in the NL.
Judge has an insane 1.404 OPS in the first 3 innings vs a relatively “ordinary” .892 OPS in innings 7-9. Soto, on the other hand, has a .899 OPS in the first 3 innings vs 1.196 in innings 7-9.
BTW, I’m not drawing any conclusions about what any of that means. Just pointing it out.
I’m betting that it’s just a reflection of their strikeout rates amplified by the variance in pitcher strikeout rate
Judge has the 28th worst clutch score since whenever WPA dates back to.
Does anyone know what season WPA starts? Because I’d like to compare his 83rd place ranking in WPA to his WRC ranking over that same span (or whatever the appropriate context independent comparison stat would be).
1974
The “clutch” stat is the worst stat on this site and it’s not even close. Aside from sharing all of the same problems of WPA, its denominator renders it totally meaningless because it’s in contrast to a player’s overall performance. Every so often Jeff Sullivan (one of the greatest baseball writers ever IMO) would write and argument trying to use “clutch” not even he could make it relevant.
I actually agree with this.
The point of the stat isn’t to say how good a player is, it’s to show the gap between how good he is without accounting for context vs accounting for context.
Without accounting for context, Judge is 49th since 1974 in wRAA (weighted runs above average).
Accounting for context, he’s 83rd in WPA.
That’s a pretty big gap.
Free offseason column idea: The “use WPA for retrospective awards” argument has been coming up in the comments for some time and while I don’t agree with the position, I do think it deserves more discussion. (The most obvious problem with the argument is that WPA is more like RBI than batting average: a team-dependent stat, not a purely individual accomplishment). It shouldn’t be too hard to go back over the last decade of MVPs and see whom WPA would’ve picked and why.
I actually built a tool that does something similar.
I use a stat I call winShares which adds WPA (which is relative to average) to playing time at an average level baseline. (ie someone who plays every game of the season and finishes with WPA of 0 contributed substantially more than someone who played 1 game and finished with WPA of 0). This is literally the share of a team’s wins a player earned, and will always add up to exactly the total number of games the team won.
It’s then fun to compare a player’s share to the team’s total wins.
(Of course the lack of defensive contributions is a substantial shortcoming, but it’s still fun).
The largest percentage of a team’s wins (since 1974) for batter and pitcher both came in 2004: Barry Bonds and Randy Johnson.
The most winShares by a batter in a season was Barry Bonds’s 2004.
The most by any player in one season was Dwight Gooden’s 1984.
(thinking of making a youtube on this… have been wondering if there is interest)
While Judge has been mind-bending absurd and his raw stats actually compare with roided Barry Bonds, I think its worth noting that he will likely finish with barely more than half the WPA that Bonds was acquiring during his peak.
WPA is better thought of as a game level stat and in all circumstances is for entertainment purposes only. Do not confuse it for something that is actually useful (like RE24, which Judge leads Soto in by a lot).
Score Matters.
Sometimes, but it’s only an improvement over context neutral stats (in any scenario). If you calculate it based on the final score. Which is not what WPA does.
Yep.
It’s not ambiguous – RE24 does what WPA truthers think WPA does.
It even says that Ryan Howard is underrated by WAR, because the man was a damn RBI machine!
In a game that ends 1-0, is a single with a ghost runner in the 10th more valuable than a homer in the 1st?
The answer is no, which is why WPA is fucking useless for anything other than fun facts.
Use RE24 like an adult.
I think WPA would account for this somewhat by assigning a higher greater % chance to win before the single based on the runner at 2nd?
I’m on the fence about the utility of WPA but I haven’t thought about it too much.
Closest analog I could find:
Schwarber’s leadoff HR from the weekend was +.100 WPA, Durran’s walk off single with no outs and a man on second in June was +.180 WPA.
WPA’s utility begins and ends with writing a “Biggest swings of the season” listicle.
Okay but the situation you posed was specifically a 1 run game. Obviously WPA doesn’t account for stuff afterwards but the point remains that even you’re acknowledging the significance of context in your hypothetical.
Besides that using one example doesn’t really negate the stat, because over a big enough sample size this stuff smooths over to some degree. Home-runs generally generate more WPA but in certain contexts a single can be as valuable as a HR (ie walkoff hits).
We can make any number of hypotheticals that highlight the limitations of any stats. Suppose you have a team that makes the playoffs with a 90-72 record, with every loss by a score of like 4-15 and every win by like 4-3. Suppose you have 2 players on that team each with 72 grand slams, one only in losses and one only in wins.
One of those players won 72 games for the team the other didn’t impact their record at all but by WAR & WRC+ they were equally valuable.
Point is these extremes are rare and don’t meaningfully impact the performance of any given stat.
Errors caused by the core concept of a stat don’t “even out.”
They compound.
We’ve established that, by the parameters of WPA, a single with no outs and a runner on second in a tie game can be 80% more valuable than a homer with no outs and the bases empty in a tie game, depending on the inning.
Which makes the question of WPA’s validity as a measure of individual performance quite straightforward:
In a 5-4 game, does a run scored in the first count less than a run scored in the 9th?
To my understanding, RE24 only accounts for runners on base and not score.
Performing well in close games when a hit is more meaningful to the outcome of the game is a skill that can be measured with some degree of accuracy, same as performing well with runners on base.
WPA isn’t perfect at this, and its formula includes some possible distortions, but over the long run it’s likely that a player will have opportunities for singles in certain high WPA circumstances or HRs early in close games vs late in them that reduce the magnitude of this distortion.
Regardless of this WPA is the only stat to my awareness that even attempts to measure this area of performance, which id ignored in RE24 and WRC/WAR.
I don’t know how valuable it is and I don’t pay too close of attention to context dependent stats but I don’t think your arguments are sufficient to throw it out.
Dude, chill.
I agree that WPA is useless except for fun.
But that’s what this is all about.
That’s why we play the game.
That’s why we watch.
That’s why we read articles and debate.
The Rangers were not the best team last year or now. But they won a couple arbitrary games and get everlasting glory.
Because full context does matter.
Everything matters.
We don’t live in a simulation.
A dollar in 1924 is not the same as a dollar in 2024.
A win in April is not the same as a win in October.
And a run scored in the 1st is not the same as a run scored in the 10th.
And dammit, I can be an adult and still have fun!
I think this is perfectly legitimate. If WPA can be used to elect relievers to HOF they’re valid in other contexts also.
WPA is hilariously worse at measuring reliever value than RE24.
Not as bad as vanilla WAR, but nowhere near functional.
WAR’s by far the best measure to use for relievers.
Even the best relievers only get $20mil/yr & $100mil, in line w/ 3 WAR SP’s, which roughly tracks w/ the best RP’s being 2-3 WAR guys.
To the extent that relievers get disproportionately high returns at the trade deadline it’s because the playoffs places disproportionate value on top performance on a rate basis vs durability and bulk work (b/c there’s only a couple months left in the regular season).
Actually RE24 might be okay, bur WPA’s awful and has almost no relationship to how any FO’s make decisions. No one’s valuing relievers at all close to how WPA says they should be valued.
RE24 might still overvalue them but I’m not as sure. fWAR probably undervalues modern elite relievers a bit because top RP’s probably disproportionately work out of the stretch with runners on and against the best hitters on opposing teams. It’s possible bWAR slightly overrates them because of allowing inherited runners to score and beginning the inning after outs have already been recorded. I’m not sure if it accounts for that stuff.
They likely don’t undervalue traditional 9th inning closers like Wagner, Rivera, Kimbrel, and others though.
I think voters will heavily take into account a player doing something historic. When Miguel Cabrera won the Triple Crown in 2012 he won MVP over Mike Trout who had significantly more WAR.
Similarly, if Judge wins the Triple Crown or hits more than 60 homers again he probably runs away with the MVP.
Shohei could also run away with the MVP if he joins 40-40 club. De La Cruz doing fancy things too, if he can surge to 30 homeruns with his 80+ SBs, voters might like that too.
Not sure why “doing something historic” means “hitting a round number in a traditional counting stat.”
Because Babe Ruth happened to hit 60 homeruns.
Because 40-40 club is a thing.
So repetition, but with extra foot-stomping?
You’ve just described the political media; why should baseball’s media be any different?
Sure, I guess it’s one thing if this stuff is truly meant just as a descriptive model of irrational voter/baseball-writer behavior, though even then it’s now literally decades out of date. Today’s sportswriters really aren’t going to behave as if “40-40” were some overriding trump card. But anyhow if we’re being remotely serious about what makes baseball players valuable to their teams, or what kind of baseball accomplishments are “historic,” it’s just silly.
Because we have 10 fingers and 10 toes, and it shapes our entire perception of the world.
Except Antonio Alfonseca. He’s in Base 11.
*Jim Abbott enters the chat*
I really don’t see any way Judge won’t win round numbers or not.
Aaron Judge would have 35 hr if he played for KC, and not 42. His OPS would change significantly in a different stadium.
Now go look at Witts if he played for NYY. This is and should be taken into account. If you are going to be using traditional and advanced stats then you should use statcast data as it’s the most advanced.
If only there were stats that adjusted for home ballpark. . . .
There are, but if the voter doesn’t use them and uses HR then this would be a Rube Goldberg way of getting there one outcome at a time.
Witt’s home/away splits…
Go look, I’ll wait!
And this is in no way saying anything about it, but those are some of the craziest differences I have ever seen. Historically has anyone ever done that over the course of a fullseason?
Pretty much every Colorado Rockie, ever.
ok, how about wRC+ wise then?
I love yankee fans!! Guess they don’t understand the difference in how Wrc+ is calculated using park factors vs statcast x HR’s.
Witt would have 30 hr if with Yankees. Voters vote with traditional stats. They def aren’t using wrc+. Carry on
Interestingly, if not surprisingly, there is a huge gap between what these projections say compared to the betting odds.
For AL, Judge is at -1400 and Witt Jr. at +550 while for NL, Ohtani is at -1200 and Marte at +700.
So the implied probability of Judge/Ohtani winning is somewhere in the 80+% range which sounds much more reasonable to me than Elly at 23% or Ozuna at 38%.
If Judge ends the season while maintaining his ridiculous OPS .150/wRC+ 30 lead over the second best bat in the league, it will not matter if he is tied or slightly behind in WAR.
Judge will win unanimously. As he deserves to.
Of course, betting odds are determined by the amount of wagers placed on each entrant, not on the actual probabilities of any outcome occurring.
That’s actually a major myth. If it was true, you could simply make a boatload of money going against the public when they’re “clearly wrong.”
If you really think the field has a ~50% chance to beat Judge, it’s pretty easy to wager on a few of his opponents.
Of course, that won’t work because Vegas actually has the best models in sports.
I’d like some fanfic that tells the story of Raffy Devers, 2024 AL MVP.
The story in my head is significant slumps for Judge and Witt and a 2007 Rockies-esque stretch run for the Sox that snatches the division lead from NY and Bal led by Devers .450/.600/.900 slash line from 8/12 on.
Inspired by ultra cool CF manager Grady Sizemore, Luis Robert wakes up with a vengeance, puts all his talents together and catches fire with the bat while suddenly motivated to prove he is the best CF in the league.
He throws down several web gems, including two 5 star catches nominated for Plays of the Year; one of which is an exhilarating game winner.
He somehow leads the White Sox on a miraculous winning streak to close out the season giving Grady Sizemore the largest manager career winning percentage post integration and allowing the White Sox to barely edge out the Rockies on the very last game of the season for Not Last.
In that last game, Robert goes 4/6 with 2 home runs to raise his season AVG over 300 and SLG over 600.
He doesn’t have enough PA to qualify for season stat awards. But he does finish with a 30-30 season despite playing only 102 games.
He finishes with less than 80 RBIs and is outside the top 10 AL batters in WAR.
He receives exactly 1 MVP vote.
The White Sox get a goddam haul for him in the off-season…
I don’t know about that. There’s more supply in the off-season. He’s topped 3 WAR twice and averaged 3 WAR/season. 3 controllable years. How much more valuable is he likely to be than Brent Rooker?
We’re not talking about “likely” in this part of the thread.
Nah, the White Sox will turn that crisp dollar bill into two Canadian quarters, four pennies, and a washer
The betting market sees the races as basically over, with Judge and Ohtani both > 90% implied. I’m with the model, I still think Witt has a shot.
Betting market always make these types of “well over 50%” bets really bad odds because they attract a lot of action. The oddsmakers really want to disincentivize bets on heavy favorites.
10% is a shot. It’s not zero.
Just going to note that Marte left Saturday’s game with an injured ankle. He tried to give it a go last night and was hobbling so badly down to 1B after hitting one in the air to the OF that the DBacks pulled him from the game. Looking like he might miss some time.
Whatever chance anyone behind Judge or Ohtani have, they are going to need good health.
For me it just doesn’t feel right for a primary DH to win MVP. I know Ohtani is a DH only because of injury, but it’s just too one-dimensional for me to say it’s the best player that season. I’m not entirely sure that’s fair but it is what makes the most sense to me at the moment.
Well as someone who harbors a seething hatred for the DH I would like to agree but it is within the 2024 rules.
The kids will have the last laugh incredulous that dumb 2024 people didn’t let the best hitter take all the PA. It would be like only letting Pat Mahomes throw one out of nine passes.
I get it that some people feel this way but you can’t go back. If we’re going to go back and get rid of the DH, then where do we draw the line? Do we make the mound 10′ tall again? Do we go back to fielders having tiny leather pads instead of gloves? Or do we laugh at that and make them go back to having no gloves at all? Do we get rid of lights and only have day games? Do we go all the way back to when batters could call for their pitch from the pitchers and the mound was 55′ away (or whatever it was) and a walk was 6 balls and a strikeout 4 strikes (or whatever it was)?
The fact is, pitchers have been steadily worse and worse as hitters virtually since the game began. The last time pitcher wRC+ was over 0 was in the very early 80’s and if we’re being honest, it has been abundantly clear that watching some pitcher go up there and be an automatic out had become far more tedious than the strategy issues of when to pinch-hit for them or watching them lay down an obligatory sacrifice.
DH is now, and has been for 50 years, a position on the team. And if it is a position on the team, there is no reason they shouldn’t win the MVP if they are good enough.
I don’t even have a problem with having a DH in general. I think it’s absolutely an improvement over pitchers hitting. But just looking at Dan’s table, is Shohei really 1.8 WAR better than Ozuna when they’re both only hitting. Is Shohei’s baserunning worth almost 2 wins? Because the batting lines themselves are not significantly different.
The beauty of Fangraphs is you can look at the exact breakdown of anyone’s production if you scroll down to the Value section of their player page.
Shohei has been worth 50.9 runs above average on offense while Ozuna has been worth 33.7. A difference of 17.2 runs which coincides pretty closely to the 1.8 WAR gap. Breaking that down, Shohei has a 9.9 run advantage in batting (backed up by a wOBA that is .013 higher and wRC+ 12 points higher), and a 7.4 run advantage in baserunning. So Shohei’s baserunning is worth almost 1 WAR more than Ozuna’s.
So, yes, Shohei is in fact 1.8 WAR better.
Witt has high BABIP and can regress… Judge has slumped once this year and could again. It’s not over by a long shot fellas.
Thanks very much Dan for taking the chat questions and following up my question with this great article! I very much appreciate the split of WAR based projections versus traditional to get a sense of where Judge/Witt stand now versus how they would have 20+ years ago.
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Much as I appreciate models over human guesswork and I know we’re bad an estimating unlikely events, those models seem to overweight the chances of heavy underdogs.
What’s the scenario in which Brett Rooker wins MVP? Imagine he put up 3.7 WAR the rest of the way (matching his total so far). He still pales in comparison to Soto and Judge as slugging DH/OF types and is on a last place team vs a playoff team. He’s 1000000:1. The same logic (though not odds) could be applied to Schwarber, Alvarez, Santander, Hernandez. They can’t possibly finish strong enough to be on par with Ohtani or Judge/Soto. Honestly I think the same for Ozuna, though there’s at least a chance he could have better counting stats and rate stats and Ohtani, though I bet he’d still finish behind him in voting unless Ohtani gets injured.
I’m pretty comfortable that the field outside the top 4 WAR in each league is 100:1. I’d be stunned if Judge or Witt, Jr didn’t win unless both suffer significant injuries.
Intuitively, I would agree. But Dan built the model based on previous MVP finishes, so I would think there’s something in the historical data to back up those underdog probabilities. Dan, are you able to share a little more about the model?
I think the interesting question in the AL is how much better does Witt Jr have to be than Judge to have a 50-50 shot at MVP? I.e., if Judge and Witt both have 10 WAR seasons, Judge wins MVP 100% of the time if the Royals miss the playoffs and 80-90% of the time if the Royals get in. Even at .5 WAR edge to Witt, Judge will win.
Witt’s case is probably Royals make the playoff, Yankees don’t win the division, and Witt is 1 WAR or more ahead of Judge. You can argue team record and playoffs shouldn’t matter but we know they do and IMO they aren’t awful as a tiebreaker.
I guess not everyone will agree with this, but I’ve always felt that when in doubt, give the award to the guy who’s been doing it for several years. In this sense, I would give it to Judge if he and Witt end up being that close.
I admit this is more applicable to situations where the other guy is an established player having a crazy career year, whereas Witt may be embarking on an inner-circle HOF career, but I still think that as a rule, if they are otherwise very close, give it to the guy who does it year in and year out and about whom you absolutely know the season is not flukish. This may end up being Witt’s best season.
Judge had a historical season in 2022, was on a similar pace last season until the game at Chavez Ravine, and is essentially doing it for a 3rd consecutive year. If he and Witt are really close, I say give it to Judge.
Neither model accounts for narrative, which is still a huge part of how many of the voters decide (whether or not they should).
Barring a huge change in their current numbers, it’s going to be Judge and Ohtani by a mile
Yup…yankees bias
Historically, there has been little to no “Yankees bias” in awards voting.
It’s not really Yankee bias. It’s an average ish corner outfielder having a historically great offensive season vs a very good defensive infielder having an excellent offensive season.
Ortiz wasn’t even having as good as offensive season as ARod in 2005 and still nearly stole the MVP.
Cabrera beat Beltre (and Trout) in 2012 entirely because of the triple crown.
Altuve over Judge in 2017 is probably the exception, though Judge didn’t have a truly historic year, and it took Altuve hitting .346
Remember that time that Anthony Volpe made the Top 50 trade value and Jarren Duran didn’t?
This is like 2022 when people were debating Judge vs Ohtani just to make it seem like it should be a discussion.
In the end, Judge got 28/30 first place votes.
Here are the rankings amongst 140 total Qualified players.
Off Ranks
Judge = 1st
Witt Jr = 4th
Def Ranks
Judge = 109th
Witt Jr = 1st
The issue is how big the difference is between 1 and 2, let alone 1 and 4.
Judge had an almost 2 WAR lead over Ohtani in 2022. It’s not the same discussion now because Witt has the same WAR as Judge this year, so far. I think that’s actually the main point of this article?
Not that it matters, but “most valuable” is a pretty complicated idea. I think that historically there was some sense that the player’s contribution to the success of his team mattered, and that is a fairly esoteric idea. Guys like Ramirez and Witt have a case based on the fact that their teams are overachieving and most people think that they are crucial to that happening. Guys like Ohtani are parked in the middle of a lineup of superstars, where their oversized contributions may not be as instrumental in their team’s success.
I think the tendency is to conflate the best player with the most valuable. Not sure that they are always the exact same concept.
How much weight and benefit did you give your model for Judge playing on the Yankees? If Judge played for KC and had 35 hr and Witt played for Yankees with would win hands down. It would be reversed.
In 120 games so far this year, Bobby Witt Jr. has accumulated more than half the WAR his father managed in his entire career.
There’s a 40 point difference in the wRC+ for the two. Judge’s 215 to Witt’s 175. I think that’s a big enough gap that the difference in defense isn’t enough for me to say Witt deserves it. Compare Witt to someone with a 135 wRC+ and then try and justify that person’s defense making up for it
Dante Bichette always gets too much hate in these revisionist history articles. He led the league in HRs, RBI, SLG and hit .340. His WAR was really dragged down on account of him being a butcher in the field but defensive WAR numbers are unreliable at best and nonsense at worst.
WAR is an imprecise measurement and the non-offensive aspects as I understand are relatively more imprecise.
So if two players are fairly equal in overall value but for one of them it’s coming from the areas where we have more precise measurement, they’re creating that value in a way that is highly visible (that the metrics also support), and putting up numbers that are in the conversation for best offensive season, the tie goes to that player in my book.
Here’s a pedantic post of the day.
I might have missed this earlier in my life, but it appears to be a recent trend for people to us RBI to refer to “runs batted in.” RBI is a statistical unit that represents a single “run batted in,” as defined by rule 9.04
Therefore, a hitter with one RBI dropve in one run. If the player drove in multiple runs, this player has multiple RBI’s
That’s all. Great post though!