Mariners Plumbing the Depths
The Mariners offense last year was more of the deep-sea variety than the ancient, although this fated passage from the Coleridge poem may yet apply:
“God save thee, ancient Mariner!
From the fiends, that plague thee thus!—
Fiends indeed, or a particular fiend named offensive ineptitude. The team scored 507 runs last year, worst in the American League by a whopping 99 runs. The depths that this offense plumbed were Mariana-Trench-like in both the short- and long-term.
Consider this: The Mariners were last in the league, by wRC+, at the following positions: catcher, first base, left field, and designated hitter. And it’s not like the rest of the team was racing cigarette boats, as they were third-to-last at shortstop, second-to-last at third, and fourth-to-last in center. Guess which position was the only one that was above average last year? That’s how you finish almost a century short of your nearest DH-using competitor.
Speaking of centuries, a tweet by USS Mariner proprietor and full-time FanGraphs employee Dave Cameron pointed to the left-field futility in Seattle going back to the team’s inception. “@d_a_cameron: The newest ridiculously awesome tool @FanGraphs, used to illustrate just how bad the M’s left fielders have sucked: http://bit.ly/eDgssF.” Obviously this lack of offense isn’t some recent problem. Going back by wRC+, you have to extend the window to 2001 in order to get their cumulative offense up to league-average.
You also have to go back to 2004 to find a team that had a worse offense relative to the league than the Mariners’ 80 wRC+ in 2010. The Diamondbacks scored 615 runs that year, which, because they were accrued in a more forgiving run environment, only amounted to a 77 wRC+. They joined the Mariners as the only other sub-81 wRC+ in the decade. After that, it’s back to 1992 and the 79 wRC+ Angels (led only by Rene Gonzalez and Chad Curtis as above-average players) to find another offense as anemic. It’s safe to say that was one of the worst three offenses of the last twenty years. But now we’re piling on, and giving our boss a reason to hate us. Not good.
Let’s move to the future. The up-and-down hope for the future is captured well in another Cameron tweet: “Nothing says “this might not be our year” like a FanFest line-up of Ackley, Franklin, Seager, and Pineda.” Dustin Ackley, Nick Franklin and Kyle Seager could help turn the infield into, at the very least, a league-average one, and hopefully before Ichiro Suzuki has to retire and the team loses their only above-average offensive player. Though opinions are divided on the three players, and they are mostly recent revelations (none of the three showed up on Marc Hulet’s top 10 last year), there is reason for optimism. They could yet field an average offensive infield!
The wRC+ statistic is park-adjusted, so this isn’t something we can blame on the home park. There has been some emphasis on defense attributed to members of the new front office, but obviously a team cannot eschew offense completely and succeed. Some of the players on the team should be able to bounce-back – Chone Figgins has a career 105 wRC+, and though Franklin Gutierrez has a career 96 wRC+, he’s had as many years in which he was above-average as years below – but it will be on young players like Justin Smoak and Ackley to change this decade-long trend. Maybe that is the lesson that the ancient mariner longed to teach:
Since then, at an uncertain hour,
That agony returns;
And till my ghastly tale is told,
This heart within me burns.
With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.
Mariners team wOBA for 2010 – .286
Number of games where the M’s scored 3 runs or fewer – 103.
Ichiro, with 214 hits and 42 SB still only scored 74 runs.
If I hadn’t seen it with my eyes, I wouldn’t have believed it.
Those numbers would have been fine in 1910.
Hear, hear. Watching the 2010 Mariners offense was the very definition of agony. It was unreal.
Ok, from the world of football, but it does apply to the Mariners.
John Mckay, of Tampa Bay Buccaneers, early years….
In response to a question about his team’s execution – “I’m all in favour of it.”
this was a biased piece of garbage
I’m open to constructive criticism, but I fail to see the bias in this, considering I used league- and park-adjusted statistics to investigate how bad the Mariners offense was in the context of the last twenty years. Do you have a particular beef?
Pretty sure it was sarcasm from Jeff — a frequent presence on the USS Mariner site.
ah phew. shoulda figured. haha
Sarcasm.
– Enos you will never get those 30 seconds back that it took you to write out a well organized retort to my mindless nonsense.
I’ll lump it in with the time I spent re-reading the Ancient Mariner then haha.
I assumed Jeff’s note to mean “the Mariners offense in 2010 was a biased piece of garbage”.
Compared to the time it takes to read Ancient Mariner, 30 seconds is pretty darned negligible.
As I said below, that’s not actually me.
I don’t expect much from the moderation at Fangraphs these days, but it would at least be nice if people weren’t allowed to misrepresent themselves as being someone they’re not.
I second that.
Well you could stop being so cheap and by a subscription
I believe the actual run data is 513 runs, 100 less than Baltimore and 98 less than Houston — not that it changes the real point. They were awful. Also, it appears the answer to your rhetorical question in paragraph 2 about who was above average is missing. Obviously it was ICHIRO!!! We can only hope for improvement, but with each winter signee announcement we see hope of improvement.Maybe before Johermyn Chavez replaces Ichiro in RF we’ll see respectability.
This is strange. I see 513 on Yahoo, but we have 507. I will investigate.
As for Ichiro!, he shall remain nameless haha.
Number of times the 3rd Base coach asked “Should I even go out there?” – 1,184
a ghastly tale indeed.
Thankfully, the 2011 Mariners season is almost here!
“Though opinions are divided on the three players, and they are mostly recent revelations (none of the three showed up on Marc Hulet’s top 10 last year), there is reason for optimism.”
Ackley didn’t show up on the list because of the rules for how the list works. He was an 09′ draft pick. Otherwise he would have been number one on the list as Hulet’s article says.
This section is confusing to me.
good point. I didn’t really want to get into all the prospects, the point was more about the relative suckitude of the ’10 offense.
About that section, though, Seager and Franklin still established their value recently, and there’s some question about Franklin being able to stay at the position (I think he can), and Seager’s eventual value as well. Still, it’s a pretty good group and they could yet improve the offense.
Seager was an ’09 pick as well.
All three were in the ’09 draft… Ackley and Franklin in the 1st rd, Seager in the 3rd.
And with Poythress in the 2nd rd, well, it was a pretty damn good draft for us!
I hold some hope for the farm, but Sickels has rated the farm system 21st, based on his top 11’s. Perhaps my hopes are misplaced.
It seems like your penultimate paragraph is underselling Ackley and Franklin. Aren’t both projected to be strong bats relative to their positions?
Actually, that’s not me.
I don’t post in comment threads here as a rule these days.
Might be the same guy who trolled Geoff Baker’s blog as me a while back.
Wait a second if you don’t post here who just posted ???
Someone who understands the meaning of the phrase “as a rule,” that’s who. Your rejoinder is ignorant of English grammar and thus meaningless.
Well said Captain Pedant!
Time to hit Ichiro 3rd in the order
It was brutal last year. I had to start listening to them on the radio before the allstar break!!
Thank god someone is paying attention
“Going back by wRC+, you have to extend the window to 2001 in order to get their cumulative offense up to league-average.”
I think I get what you were trying to say here, but that’s a really weird way to say it. Sure, if you look at cumulative stats, then you have to go back ten years in order to get a total wRC+ of 100 or higher, but that doesn’t by itself show that the offensive woes haven’t been recent. By individual years, the Mariners had wRC+s of:
2001: 119
2002: 112
2003: 107
2004: 96
2005: 92
2006: 98
2007: 104
2008: 92
2009: 93
2010: 80
So yeah, the Mariners have had lousy offenses for a while, but you don’t need to go back to 2001 to find a good team.
good point. The way I said it, you see that their offense was so bad for so long that it took three excellent years at beginning of decade to undo all their suckitude.
1) Perhaps I missed it, but what was the Mariners wRC+ in 2010? I’m sure I could look it up myself, but I can’t find it in the article, and it seems like it should be in it for easy comparison to the ’04 Diamondbacks and ’92 Angels. You mentioned that it was bad, and you mentioned that they were among “sub 81” teams, but you don’t actually say what they were, unless I’m just not seeing it.
2) Completely random and mostly off-topic, after following that link to the WAR chart for Mariners left fielders, I was reminded of a player that to that point I’d forgotten about — Bruce Bochte. I had no idea he ever played for the Mariners. Due to my age I remember him as an old guy playing for Oakland (along with Dave Kingman), but it was interesting to see a blast from the past come up so unexpectedly.
I see Nadingo posted it. Never mind. Still, I think it should be included in the article. I hate to be “editor poster guy”, but it was just something that stood out to me.
No, you were correct and I put it in the post where it should have been. I doff my cap to you sir.