Martin Prado on the Move?
[I would make a self-deprecating comment about alliterative titles here, but the truth is I could not think of anything clever, so you got this generic-ness.]
The trickle of “on the block” rumors is turning into a stream, and one of the more recent ones down the, um, pipe (is that fine or a mixed metaphor?) is that the Atlanta Braves are “gauging interest” in multi-positional hitter Martin Prado and pitcher Jair Jurrjens, at least in part to free up salary. The Braves have a good collection of young pitchers, which is why they were able to execute a (partial) salary-dump by sending Derek Lowe to Cleveland. Jurrjens looks like the next out the door given his injury issues, dubious peripherals, and arbitration status. However, the more intriguing player might be infielder-turned-outfielder Martin Prado.
According to our own Matt Swartz’s projected arbitration salaries, Prado, who is entering his second off-season of arbitration eligibility, would likely make something around $4.4 million in 2012. Barring disaster, in his third (and last) season of arbitration eligibility, we could conservatively estimate him to make $6-$7 million. Given those projected salaries, how much surplus value would he offer to a team?
Prado has had an interesting career so far. A few years ago, with Yunel Escobar and Kelly Johnson entrenched as the Braves’ double play combination, Prado looked like a good utility guy. Prado hit well in a couple hundred plate appearance in 2008 (123 wRC+, 1.3 WAR), and logged over 500 plate appearances with a 117 wRC+ (3.2 WAR) while filling in at various positions in 2009. With Johnson non-tendered after 2009, Prado took over at second base full-time to start 2010 (sliding over to third when Chipper Jones — you aren’t going to believe this — got hurt) and hit well yet again, finishing at 118 wRC+ and 4.4 WAR.
Prado looked like an important part of the Braves’ offense going into 2011, and the acquisition of Dan Uggla (ahem) allowed him to move to left field to theoretically help with the Braves’ continuing outfield problems. That did not work out so well. While Prado seems to have fielded his new position well, his bat suddenly fell apart, as he posted a 85 wRC+ (.260/.302/.385). Prado had never walked much, and his strikeout rate was also his lowest in a while. However, his power dipped and his BABIP took a serious hit. Much of Prado’s value in previous years had been due to his BABIP, although it was never an extremely high. Taking his past seasons into account and applying appropriate amounts of regression and age adjustment, Oliver’s last in-season update had him as a .327 wOBA hitter, or about six runs above average per 700 plate appearances.
Much of Prado’s value on the trade market will depend on what position teams envision him playing. He has moved around a fair bit. His good left-field performance this season was in a small sample size, so we should not conclude that he is a defensive virtuoso out there. He does not have much more than one season’s worth of fielding experience at second or third over his career. It is probably fair to say that he is around average at third and below average at second. To avoid the illusion of precision in projecting defense as well as accounting for his ability to play multiple positions, it might be best to simply call his position “neutral,” that is no positional adjustment either way.
Prado has never played more than 140 games in a season, and has spent time on the disabled list each of the last two seasons, so an 80 percent playing time projection seems fair. Prado will be 28 at the beginning of next season, so while he is a young man in the real world, in the baseball world it is probably time to start accounting for a slight decline in skills and general attrition. To summarize: plus six hitter, no positional adjustment either way, plus 20 runs for NL replacement level, all times 80 percent playing time and adjusted for aging and attrition puts him at about 1.5-2 Wins Above Replacement for 2012.
Even at a conservative five million dollars per marginal win, there is projected surplus value there with Prado (at least for 2012). Other teams will definitely be interested, especially given the thin free agent market at second base for teams willing to play him there. His positional flexibility also makes him attractive. On the other hand, there is not much upside for a player with a non-elite glove (to put it generously) whose primary offensive skill is hitting well on balls in play. That is not to say that his $3-$5 million in surplus value disappears, or that it a trade would be a straight salary dump for the Braves like the Lowe trade. It simply means that Prado is not the sort of player that teams are likely (you never know…) to give up much for.
A good comparison in this regard might be current Angels third baseman Alberto Callaspo. While Callaspo had a nice “bounce back” in 2011, in 2010, when he was with the Royals, he bore at least a passing resemblance to Prado as a baseball player. Like Prado, Callaspo’s primary offensive skill is making contact and getting hits on balls in play (Callaspo generally has shown less power and taken more walks). Like Prado, Callaspo is not especially speedy. While both players have bats that “traditionally” profile for up-the-middle players, neither is good at second base, and perform better at third. With Mike Moustakas on the way, Callaspo did not have a place to play full-time in the Royals organization, which was not going to pay him his likely arbitration salary to sit on the bench. Atlanta seems to feel somewhat the same way about Prado. Prado has the longer “track record,” but Callaspo was only going into his first year of arbitration going into 2011, while Prado will be heading into his second. Both the length of time and expense make bring down Prado’s value-over-projected salary relative to Callaspo’s. While Callaspo ended up having a nice 2011 season, at the time he was traded his value was down (much like Prado’s is now), and he brought back a young pitching prospect with a little bit of potential in Will Smith and a classic #8 starter in Sean O’Sullivan.
One can argue about which player would be more attractive — Callaspo in 2010 or Prado now, but I think the comparison is somewhat helpful. One trade for a roughly similar player year ago does not “set the market” for the future, but it does give us some indication of how Prado’s perceived surplus value might play out in the trade market. Prado is a useful player, and the Braves can probably find a team who needs an infield stopgap or a right-handed super-utility player who will be willing to pay his arbitration salary. However, the main benefit Atlanta can likely expect in return is salary relief and an iffy prospect or two. That is nothing to sniff at for a team with a promising pitching staff, some young talent, and in need of payroll room preparing for another season in which they should contend for the playoffs.
Matt Klaassen reads and writes obituaries in the Greater Toronto Area. If you can't get enough of him, follow him on Twitter.
It’s a shame he has such a hard time staying off the DL. The dude can rake when he’s healthy.
Can we get an official FanGraphs trade machine to calculate the values of a trade for Martin Prado (or anyone else)? Like the one for basketball on ESPN
I’m not saying I would fake trade Tony Pena Jr. for Cliff Lee. Ok yes I am
Oh maybe Bruce Chen for Zack Greinke with Ron Roenicke yells “Come on CHEN” in the background?
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/6/5/1647154/hollywood-royalty-invades-royals
The Tigers should be all over Prado. There are so few free agent options for 2B and 3B, and the Tigers are in dire need of both. More specifically, the Tigers need two bats for the top of the lineup and they need them at those two infield positions. Prado would be one- Callaspo or Maicer Izturis might be the other, if the Angels are in a selling mood.
I said the same thing elsewhere… good fit for Tigers. I have no idea who they have that would interest the Braves but maybe Raburn plus prospect….? or some other prospect package…
I would love this, but what do the Tigs have to offer? Their farm system is essentially Turner and a bunch of mannequins.
I have always been under the impression that Prado was an elite defender at 3B and above average to good at 2B. I think you are selling his glove short, at least in the infield, but agree that the Braves should move him due to his offensive profile. He doesn’t provide speed or power and the presence of Uggla and Chipper render his optimal positional value useless. I’d like to see him + JJ fetch a solid corner bat, but we’ll see.
Prado is slightly above average at 3B and below average at 2B. He is no where near an “elite” glove.
Hart + Low Lever Pitcher
for
JJ + Prado
Braves get their solid RH corner OF. Under contract for 2 more years (at a steal compared to Werth/Bay)
Brewers get a 3B who can field and a starter under control to give them the opportunity to trade Marcum/Wolf for a upgrade a SS.
Title alliteration challenge accepted.
“Braves ain’t too Prado to Beg for Trade.”
I also have a PG-13 version but will save that for another day.
I don’t think that means what you think it means. Still funny, though.
haha, same reaction except I have a universal dislike of punny titles. Not puns, just titles with puns.
Ah, like “Prado’s providence portends peril” or something. Yeah, that’s a tough one.
Jair Jurrjens should be easy – he’s a one-man alliteration – but I’m thrown off by the fact he sounds like he belongs in the Star Wars cantina.
Trading Prado is silly for Atlanta. He doesn’t have the bat for LF but his usefulness lies in his ability to play all over. The Braves need an in house option at 3B who can be adequate given Chipper’s limitations. Add that in with Prado’s ability to play LF, 2B, or RF again due to injuries or Heyward not being able to hit lefties again and Prado is well worth his salary to Atlanta. If the team trades Jurrjens, signs a left fielder (Willingham?) who can hit, and re-signs Gonzalez as Pastonicky being awful insruance, the team is in very good shape.
Except signing Willingham ties up about 20% of the team’s payroll for the next 3 years in aging right handed sluggers who can’t play defense. Angel Pagan is the much better option.
Willing ham is going to sign a three year, $54 million deal?
Ha. Real Neal. That was exactly what I was thinking.
Willingham is going to get something in the region of 3 years/$25 million. Uggla would be the other aging right handed slugger who can’t play defense.
I hope the Mariners make an attempt to acquire Prado. I don’t think they’ll make a play on Aramis so Prado might be the best option.
The Braves for contemplate moving Uggla to left and Prado to second.
*should not for
The metaphor that you’re stretching for is “down the pike”.
Yes! Thanks, but I think for now I’ll leave it as it as a testament to my literary “brilliance.”
Im hoping for a Prado to the Jays for Travis Snider. Jays get their second baseman and take Prado off the market ala Alex Gon so as to entice teams like the Tigers to go after Kelly Johnson and give us a draft pick! (no I haven’t checked where Detroit will pick) but pie in the sky.
If only Snider wasn’t another left handed bat for the Braves.
I don’t think the Braves will want Snider
Mariners could peel off some minor league pitching to pick up Prado, and use Prado in a platoon to see if Liddi/Seager figure things out and settle in.
Call me crazy, but I don’t think the Braves are looking for minor-league pitching…….
would the haul for Prado set the market for good batting-average bad-defense sorta-young utility types…and if so what could the Mets get for Dan Murphy
yeah, if Mets hang onto Wright, they would have to move Murphy. They cannot keep both. I don’t see Murphy returning to 2B or any other position beside 3B.
A lot less, given that Murphy can’t field any position well.
that’s not what uzr says…
Would love for the Cubs to make Prado the starting 3B.
This just in, Braves enjoy “Buying High, Selling Low: Establishing an operational business plan!”
Seriously, they bought Derek Lowe at the peak of his value, refused to trade him way back in May when he was a desirable option, then dumped his contract as the year ended and his value bottomed out. They sold Yunel Escobar right at his value bottomed out, buying Alex Gonzalez at the highest value he’d ever carried. They’re now trading Jurrjens and Prado-Jurrjens was hurt to start and end the season, and Prado had his worst year at the plate since his promotion. Heck, they also traded for Michael Bourn when he was having a career year.
Is it possible the organization doesn’t look far beyond stats from the previous season?
In other words, they do the exact same thing as the Rays from a player development standpoint (insane amounts of quality pitching and the occasional great bat), but the exact opposite with their Major League talent.
I don’t think anyone thought Derek Lowe was going to be significantly worse by the end of the year than he was in May. If he was traded in May you could’ve made the case then that he was traded at lowest value. Heck, you could argue that his value increased by the end of the season because it means he would have less years left on his contract; therefore, less risky.
At the beginning of May, he’d just finished a strong month of April, had come off a couple of decent postseason starts, and an excellent month of September. There were rumors swirling around about teams approaching the Braves for Derek Lowe, what they were asking for. Frank Wren then came out and said, “Derek Lowe is off the table.”
They could have offloaded significantly more of his 2012 salary than they did if they had not waited, and it would have come with the added bonus that he wouldn’t have been on the team after the All-Star Break, when he was bad. I was so excited back then, even though he was pitching well at that point, that he might get traded and the Braves could clear his salary.
A lot of the arguments against Wren are made in retrospect and I think it’s kinda dumb. Yea, in retrospect they should have traded him before he was a terrible pitcher. Or if he repeats his 2010 September, and Wren trades him in May, Wren looks like an idiot. Were there any articles saying “Wren needs to trade Lowe asap, he’s going to be really REALLY bad the rest of the years and the Braves are going to have a historic collapse in large part because of it”.
I would hate to be a team expecting Prado to play 150 games or more at second. He could probably stay healthy at third or left, but I think his days as a full-time second baseman are over.
Not sure what that means, he isn’t old and is probably recovered from the injuries by now. He would be perfectly fine playing 2B. In my opinion that is his best natural position.
Prado would be an excellent player for anyteam and I would love it if the Reds could get him. Detroit would solve the problem of Inge demise.
So long as teams don’t give up a lot, Prado and JJ could be a fit in a whole lot of places. I just hope nobody’s dumb enough to give up even a future borderline tier one starting position player for either one.
If the Braves are smart I think they can get a decent haul for Prado. Right now, he’s the best 2b on the market.
I don’t understand the idea that the Braves would trade Prado for “salary relief and an iffy prospect or two”…
If they needed the salary relief, their worst-case scenario is just non-tendering Prado. I think it’s safe to say the Braves wouldn’t consider that a sane thing to do in terms of giving up that value for nothing.
Any iffy prospect or two is going to change their stance on that? I doubt it. I’m not a huge fan of Wren, but I think he can do much better than what is being suggested here