Matt Harvey Is Getting It Together
After being traded by the Mets to the Reds on May 8, Matt Harvey more or less fell off the national radar. That tends to happen for guys with ERAs approaching 6.00. As the 29-year-old righty continued to pitch unremarkably, there was little reason for the Mets or their fans to lament the trade — or at least to regard his departure as one of the top-23 or so calamities to befall them during the first half of the 2018 season.
Lately, though, Harvey has been pitching better — if not at the same level of his dominant 2012-15 form, then certainly better than the latter-day palooka who was tagged for a 5.93 ERA and 5.01 FIP in 212.1 innings from the start of 2016 to the point of the trade. On Sunday in Cincinnati, on the heels of two increasingly promising starts, he recorded his best outing yet as a Red, taking a perfect game into the fifth inning against the Brewers and finishing with his longest scoreless appearance since August 28, 2015.
Harvey retired the first 12 batters he faced on just 41 pitches before Travis Shaw slapped a 95 mph fastball through the left side of a shifted infield. He gave up just one other hit, a sixth-inning single to Brad Miller amid a downpour that had begun at the top of the frame. After that hit, the umpires called out the tarps, and the 54-minute rain delay finished Harvey’s day. Over his 5.2 innings, he issued zero walks, a feat he hadn’t accomplished in a start of at least five innings since April 6, 2017 against the Braves. He also struck out six, matching a season high set on June 21 against the Cubs (more on which shortly). His 12 swings and misses represented the highest total he’d produced since June 10, 2016 against the Brewers. Via Brooks Baseball, his four-seam fastball averaged 95.6 mph and reached 97.2, while his slider averaged 89.6 and reached 92.0.
It wasn’t quite vintage Harvey, and it’s worth noting that the Brewers’ lineup lacked Lorenzo Cain (currently on the disabled list for a groin strain), Christian Yelich (sitting for his third straight game due to back tightness), and Jesus Aguilar, three of the team’s top four hitters this year by wRC+. (Eric Thames, the fourth of those, started for Agular.) Still, it was Harvey’s third strong outing in a row against a contender. He allowed two runs in six innings in the aforementioned June 21 outing against the Cubs, and then one run in 6.2 innings against the Braves on June 26. Over the course of those three outings and 18.1 innings, he allowed just 13 hits and three runs while striking out 14 and walking just two (and plunking three). His three outings before that were nothing to write home about (14 runs in 16.1 innings, with five homers, six walks, and 12 strikeouts against the Rockies, Padres and Cardinals), but it does seem as though he’s turned the corner after two-plus seasons of struggling amid injuries.
Here’s how the New York and Cincinnati legs of Harvey’s season stack up:
| Team | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mets | 27.0 | 6.7 | 3.0 | 2.0 | 7.00 | 5.63 | -0.1 |
| Reds | 53.7 | 6.7 | 2.0 | 1.2 | 3.86 | 4.21 | 0.7 |
On a per-nine basis, Harvey’s strikeout rate hasn’t really budged (until Sunday, it was actually lower as a Red), but on a per-plate appearance basis, it’s climbed from 16.3% as a Met to 18.4% as a Red — that, while his walk rate fell from 7.3% to 5.5%, so his K-BB% has increased from 8.9% to 12.9%. That’s welcome improvement across the board, particularly when combined with fewer balls leaving the park.
So what’s underlying Harvey’s rebound? Velocity, for one thing. Via Pitch Info, he’s gained anywhere from 0.9 to 2.2 mph on his pitches – not a huge step forward but a step nonetheless:
| Team | Fourseam | Sinker | Change | Slider | Curve |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mets | 93.1 | 92.0 | 86.7 | 88.3 | 81.8 |
| Reds | 94.9 | 93.6 | 88.0 | 89.2 | 83.8 |
While his overall swinging-strike rate is basically unchanged (8.2% as a Met, 8.5% as a Red), and it’s even down a bit for both his fastball and changeup, the whiff rate on his slider has more than doubled, from 8.3% to 20.3% — a higher rate than in any of his full seasons, and well above his career 15.3% mark.
Indeed, Harvey’s slider has been stifling, even as he’s reduced his usage of it from 25.8% earlier this year (a higher rate than he’d ever sustained, well above his 18.0% career mark) to 20.2% post-trade. Entering Sunday, even including his time with the Mets, batters had hit just .167/.184/.264 for a 25 wRC+ against the pitch this year, comparable to its effectiveness in 2015 (.158/.187/.218, 20 wRC+); his wRC+ against the pitch in the two ensuing seasons was 114 (2016) and 88 (2017). As for his current arsenal, batters were above 200 wRC+ against both the curve and changeup entering Sunday, and at 133 against his four-seamer. Particularly with the decline and disappearance of his curveball he’s really only got one above-average weapon these days, but it’s well above average these days.
A couple of additional differences stand out between Harvey’s New York and Cincinnati tenures this year. Since the trade, he’s throwing first-pitch strikes with far more regularity (61.8%, up from 55.3% and just one point below his career average). He’s also getting batters to chase pitches outside the zone with greater frequency (28.7%, up from 21.1%, but still a far cry from the 32-35% range of his heyday).
Three starts is just three starts, but Harvey’s improvement relative to his miserable last days as a Met is defined by more than just that trio of recent outings. His velocity had been climbing and his slider had been generating whiffs even before this run began, and what we’re seeing now is the payoff. Whether it’s his work with a new coaching staff, including interim pitching coach Danny Darwin, or further distance from his 2016 thoracic outlet syndrome surgery and 2017 scapular stress reaction, he’s pitching like a major leaguer again instead of a reclamation project.
If Harvey continues to have results like these throughout the month, he’s certain to attract attention as the trade deadline approaches, particularly in a market where Cole Hamels, J.A. Happ, and Tyson Ross head a short list of viable trade candidates. After all, he’s still a pending free agent who’s unlikely to re-sign with the Reds, and while they’ve surged towards respectability under Jim Riggleman (33-33, after a 3-15 start under Bryan Price), they’re nowhere close to contending for a playoff spot. They may as well net themselves a low-level prospect or two for their success in restoring some value to Harvey. Of course, the nightmare scenario for the Mets — who are 10.5 games worse in the standings than the Reds since the time of the deal — would be to see Harvey in Yankee pinstripes, but that’s getting ahead of ourselves. For the moment, a version of Matt Harvey that’s in working order is enough to behold.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
While the Reds version of Matt Harvey may be in a position to earn a major league contract in the off-season, a contender does not want to trade for a serviceable 5th starter in the middle of the season.
I don’t know- given how little is out there- I mean the 3rd best option besides him right now is Tyson Ross.- I could see someone taking a flyer on him if he has another 3-4 good starts in July pre-deadline. In a normal year, I don’t think Harvey would be in the top 10. But this is a strange year….
Of course, now that Jaffe has written positive about him, his curse will envelop Harvey and he’s going to get lit up in his next start- Saturday @ Cubs.
I do think the only way he doesn’t get traded is if the Reds do their “let’s take forever completing the deal” thing. There’s no logical reason to keep him, and there is always someone looking for a 5th starter.
He’s well below Happ and Ross (and probably Marco Estrada too, and Zack Wheeler if he’s really available). Someone will trade for him but the price isn’t going to be very high.
He gets traded as long as he pitches solidly even. If he puts together 2-3 awful starts, he’s not traded, as no one would want him.
I really wouldn’t say he’s well below Ross by any stretch. Since Harvey came to the Reds, he’s got the exact same ERA as Ross does(both at 3.86) and if you look at the FIP- Harvey is at 4.21 to Ross at 5.00. And that’s with Harvey playing in a much tougher park for a pitcher.
You are all putting a lot of faith in a guy who looked like he’d have to settle for a minor league FA contract this offseason only five weeks ago.
One small note–FIP- is park adjusted, so that is already taken into account.
Depends.
If it’s a contender looking to shore up their 3rd starter for the playoffs … yeah probably not.
If it’s a contender looking to win as many regular season games as they can so as to win their division or secure a WC, well, in that case a 5th starter matters. I, personally, am not a Matt Harvey believer. But some MLB FO somewhere may disagree.
The Yankees will have Severino, Tanaka, Sabathia, and maybe Loaisiga to pitch in the postseason. Right now they need somebody to take Sonny Grey’s slot in the rotation. That could be Chance Adams, or it could be Matt Harvey.
I can’t say I would trust Matt Harvey over Sonny Gray. If we’re only looking at the month of June, Gray has a better FIP and xFIP than Harvey. They need another pitcher simply because they need more depth, but it’s an open question whether he’d be better than Gray.
and then there’s July 1 which helps Harvey out a lot….
last 4 starts
Gray 7.58/4.69/4.01
Harvey 2.31/2.64/4.11
Harvey with 4.1 more innings(and that’s deceiving as he would have gone probably at least 1 more inning if not more were it not for the Rain Delay yesterday).
What’s made Harvey so impressive here I think is that he’s done it with home park of Great American Ball Park. A lot more of a hitters park than Citi Field was.
I think the one place if I’m Harvey that I wouldn’t want to go to though- New York.
Wait, really? You’re penciling the guy who hadn’t pitched above short-season ball until; this year into playoff starts? I mean, I’m encouraged by what we’ve seen so far and all, but let’s pump the brakes a second here.
It could make some sense for the Yankees to acquire Harvey. Assuming all are healthy (neve safe with pitchers) the Yanks would certainly like to roll with Severino, CC, Tanaka as their top three, but that fourth spot could be Sonny Gray, or Domingo German, or Jonny Lasagna, or Justus Sheffield, or somebody like Matt Harvey. The beauty is they’d have three months to make that determination.
Ha ha Loisaga over Grey ?
Please
“If you’re gonna be douchy, at least learn to spell”
– Me
Matt Harvey must be top of mind for less than 5% of baseball fans
Maybe he should have been like that- but given the last 2 weeks- here’s the only guys better than him in fWAR- Chris Sale, Trevor Bauer, Freddy Peralta, Charlie Morton, Patrick Corbin, Mike Clevinger, and Luis Severino. He’s the only one in the top 10 from last 2 weeks that figures to be available. So he definitely merits some watching here in July.
Wilmer Font is infinitely more interesting to me
I think this is part of his resurgence. For whatever reason, being out of the limelight seems like just the thing Harvey needed. I’m rooting for him to get back to something resembling his old self, since that old self was so fun to watch.
Fangraphs; where you come to read about stuff you were already thinking about.
The Mets could use a good 5th starter like Matt Harvey :o)
They also needed a catcher and Mesoraco has been pretty good. And Reds and Mets both playing for the future now
One of them was playing for 2018 when they made this trade.
True. And they are both free agents after this year. Reds just wanted a potential trade chip and got one. Mesoraco may be dealable as well.
Why add Harvey when he refuses to pitch in the bullpen and he’s certainly not going to be a starter come playoff time…
Why ask Harvey when I can get everything I ever needed to know from the NY Post and JMag043 ?
You don’t think a team could use a starter to, idk, REACH the playoffs at all?
I don’t want to push this too far (because I’m not much into high cheese), but if you top out at 97mph with your fastball and you can still throw a slider at 92 mph — you’re back in the game. Welcome back, Matt!
That said, if his curve and change-up have disappeared … maybe just reinvent yourself as a closer? It’s … been known to happen.
Even with the velocity coming back somewhat it’s crazy how he completely lost the strikeouts numbers
Fangraphs is getting rather hot-takey.
I don’t think so- not on this at least. I mean, Matt Harvey is one of the more interesting guys in MLB right now given everything he’s been thru the last 5 years, and was literally left for dead just 2 months ago. Now he’s had 3 straight excellent starts, and could easily be a trading deadline acquisition. It feels extremely timely for an article to be done on him.
Also as noted in the column, these starts were vs Cubs, Braves, and Brewers. Cubs and Braves are only the top 2 scoring offenses in the NL- and the Brewers are while 9th place within 0.02 r/g of being right at average. by wRC+ its 1,3,9 in the NL. So it’s not like he’s been doing it vs the Padres and Marlins.
“Fangraphs is getting rather hot-takey.”
Disagree. The tale of any player making a comeback attempt or a real comeback always makes for a good read.
Even if it’s someone like Matt Harvey.
I agree. We talk about Small Samples all the time, but then I see articles like this and others recently that pimped a pitcher and soon thereafter they regress. It seems to me that what we are seeing with a lot of these guys is that anyone can have a good month. I’d like to see Fangraphs do more revisiting of these types of articles at the end of the season to see if any of this sticks and most likely we will see that some did and many did not and probably can say something like “It’s a long season and there are hot streaks and cold streaks, and they are really hard to predict.
This is insanely Mets
Mesoraco has .6 WAR for the Mets. Harvey .7 for the Reds. Good trade so far.
Not if Mesoraco could have been had for less.
Or vice versa.
I think the deal was fairly evenly rated at the time. Regardless of the impact on their teams, they both have increased their value in free agency for next year. I think they both needed a change of scenery.
That’s possible, but I just get the feeling that the Mets didn’t take his departure well internally.
Trading a guy out of spite is a bad move.
Apparently it isn’t.
I stand corrected.
Carry on
Maybe he’s in better shape, lost some weight? The chili would help with that.
Could be something as simple as better rest from less night life.
Plenty of players have partied their way out of the majors.
Sending him to a town where he knows less people (nobody?) may have forced his focus back on the day job.
I noticed he has been better. I really hope he gets back to being a strong pitcher and hope he gets to shutout each NY team in the future just to show them!
One point about Harvey- he might be higher in the trade market than one would even think. In the last month, Tyson Ross is only the 2nd to worst starting pitcher- with 4.72 ERA and a 6.34 FIP. So you could make a real case that a contender would look at Harvey right now before they would even Ross. Only 2 that you would think are clearly ahead of Harvey are Hamels and Happ. Though even there it’s closer than you think
#42 Happ 3.94 ERA/4.05 FIP 0.5 fWAR
#48 Harvey 3.38 ERA/4.13 FIP 0.4 fWAR
#56 Hamels 5.04 ERA/4.26 FIP 0.3 fWAR
#89 Ross 4.72 ERA/6.34 FIP -0.4 fWAR
I was confused why the Reds wanted him at all, but if they have reclaimed him and can squeeze some prospect out of him to another club, that’s gotta be seen as a huge win.
Because he was better than his record indicated.
31 teams would have stuck with him, but if you know the NY tabloids, you would know that they love nothing more than to cause trouble for the Mets and their players.
Nationals might have an opening after today- Erick Fedde left the game early and the pitch speed numbers look ominous- after hitting 95 in 1st inning his last 4 pitches were 88,88,87, and final one was 80(not a breaking ball).
Better off going with Rays style of Bullpen pitching the whole game than give up any value for a 5th starter. Just trade for a good bullpen guy who is capable of going 2 to 3 innings and use him as a 5th starter instead of trading for potential SP’s that is going to blow up and last 2 to 3 innings in most starts but with bad era/whip.