Meg Rowley FanGraphs Chat – 5/14/19
2:00 |
: Hello, and welcome to the chat!
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2:00 |
: It is rainy in Seattle today, and I have some sad tunes on. Let’s see if a little chat can’t shift the mood.
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2:00 |
: Struggling with the Julio Urias news. I want to be able to like the players who play for my favorite team.
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2:02 |
: Drat. It’s really a bummer. It is very hard for the continued existence of cases like this to not alter one’s appreciation for the sport in a meaningful way. Or at least, it is difficult for me. This stuff care ware you out.
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2:02 |
: Is all hope lost of Keuchel and Kimbrel playing this season?
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2:02 |
: I don’t think so.
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2:03 |
: Though, one does begin to wonder about how effective they are at the moment, and how long of a ramp up they’ll need.
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2:03 |
: Meg, thanks for the chats! What can MLB do to improve overall league attendance numbers?
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2:03 |
: Make it cheaper. Make it a lot cheaper. Make it much, much cheaper to go.
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2:04 |
: Having teams that are committed to winning helps a lot, but really, I think fans will go see a lousy team if it isn’t prohibitively expensive to do so.
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2:04 |
: The Padres started the season with Tatis and Paddack on the big league team (ignoring control concerns) but Urías has been left to destroy the PCL while Kinsler and Greg Garcia share second base. How does that make sense?
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2:05 |
: Because he was up for a little while and hit pretty poorly? He’ll be back.
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2:05 |
: When watching a game, do you prefer the broadcast to show the strike zone overlay or not? I do prefer it, but then seeing missed calls just makes me more upset.
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2:06 |
: Where you’ll really start to get steamed is when you realize that the overlay is often off a little. I tend to, when I want to check in on these things, look at the Brook’s Baseball feed.
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2:06 |
: what do you think the ramifications of domestic violence should be on a player’s career ? i personally find it irredeemable , but clearly MLB finds suspensions to be sufficient. addison , familia , osuna , now urias … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i’m over it !!
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2:08 |
: It is a perfectly defensible position to not want to see these guys play again. Baseball is entertainment, and if you are not entertained because of the violence they have exhibited toward others, then you don’t have to want to watch them. That said, the league’s policy doesn’t immediate escalate to zero tolerance because experts agree that those policies tend to reduce reporting.
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2:10 |
: At the very least, I think these dudes should be post season ineligible in the season during which the suspension occurs. We’re always going to be left wanting more in the way of detail or explanation because there are aspects of treatment that we can’t know about. But knowing the league has at least eliminated an arbitrage opportunity would be nice.
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2:10 |
: How do you rank Alex Gordon, Dwight Smith Jr, and Greg Polanco ROS? 7×7 R, H, RBI, HR, SB, Avg, OPS
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2:10 |
: This isn’t a fantasy chat. Sorry!
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2:11 |
: Buy or sell: Hyun Jin Ryu is the Dodgers best pitcher (on a per inning basis)
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2:11 |
: Buy, though I like Walker a lot, and of course, remain nervous about Ryu’s durability.
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2:11 |
: i find the twins to be … very fun. do you think this fun is sustainable ?
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2:13 |
: Maybe not quite to this level, but yes. I imagine they will need pitching help, though.
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2:13 |
: Hi, Meg! General baseball question here. Whenever I watch games with friends that aren’t fans, they almost always bring up the fact that this particular game in the middle of May doesn’t matter because it’s such a long season. I disagree with this sentiment and explain that this one matters as much as the game in late September when there is a playoff fight; it just doesn’t feel that way. Am I just blindly defending the sport I love, or is there validity to my argument, and how do you normally respond to this argument?
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2:15 |
: They all count — and if you wanted you could say the ones in May really count because they not only count as wins and losses, but, along with the wins in april and june and july and august, determine if those ones in September are close pennant races, or long assumed post-season participants or tear-down candidates.
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2:15 |
: They don’t actually count differently, but they go into our understanding of what September is, and that tends to matter a lot to people!
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2:16 |
: Now that things have fallen a part as expected, what should the next step of the mariners be? Is the right thing to do really just hang on with the older players until the trade deadline and hope you get a team’s 20-25th prospect? Is it time to cut losses and let the younger players get more play?
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2:17 |
: I find it really, really strange that there seems to be a persistent narrative among Mariners fans that the team is going to get a large prospect return for Jay Bruce or Edwin Encarnacion.
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2:17 |
: like, sure maybe the 20th guy like you said, but some folks seems to think there is a red hot Jay Bruce trade market
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2:18 |
: They have no incentive to rush guys.
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2:18 |
: The org has known what this team is the whole time.
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2:19 |
: How awesome has the DJ LeMahieu been? When the Yankees signed people just said it was too much money for a guy that is a back up. ‘tip o’ the cap’ to yanks and their DEPTH
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2:19 |
: Pretty sure folks did exactly that pre-season?
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2:19 |
: Most likely to win AL MVP, Trout, an Astro, or field?
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2:20 |
: I mean, the field I guess, but Trout actually. I tend to think similarly performing teammates split the vote.
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2:20 |
: I imagine this will be the Keston Hiura power-hour, but since the Brewers are playing the Phillies – have you downgraded your fun-ranking of the Phillies since their fans seem to be constantly booing their own players?
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2:20 |
: I went to college outside of Philly. I know about Philly fans.
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2:20 |
: whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy did julio do this to my already fragile bullpen
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2:20 |
: Truly the least important part of this. Truly.
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2:21 |
: This is your weekly reminder that Meg will not answer your fantasy questions because she cares about you and thinks you should ask your question in one of the chats run by one of FG’s fantasy experts.
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2:21 |
: Yup yup yup
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2:22 |
: when i see a small version of your twitter avatar in my timeline, sometimes i think it’s a duck dynasty person
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2:22 |
: Truly so rude.
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2:22 |
: I try to be generally open-minded and accepting of ideas that differ from my own; but there are a couple of things that I continue to have trouble accepting: first, the practice of orienting the toilet paper roll “under” as opposed to “over” (I just don’t understand the appeal!); and, second, the idea that we should have a three minute replay to determine whether a runner who beat the tag let his hand come off the bag for a microsecond. Effing physics, man. Anyway, can you, in the space of a pithy but insightful paragraph, help me understand these issues?
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2:22 |
: It’s a very goofy part of the implementation of replay
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2:22 |
: I really liked Dave’s suggestion from a few years back where there is a safe zone above the bag.
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2:23 | : I wrote about this wayyyy back in the day at BP |
2:23 |
: what are you listening to tho
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2:23 |
: Phoebe Bridgers
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2:24 |
: What do you think the Yankees will do with all the talented guys playing when their starters begin returning
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2:24 |
: Hold on to many of them for depth. As we’ve seen, that can be super, super useful.
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2:24 |
: Who would win a general knowledge bar trivia night: Ben, Jeff or Sam?
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2:24 |
: I don’t know, but given what all of their secondary interests are away from baseball, I think they’d make a pretty kick ass team.
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2:25 |
: I went to a game at the oakland colosseum yesterday. Can we declare it a hostoric monument? I kind of love how bad it is
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2:25 |
: It is weirdly one of my favorite parks in baseball.
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2:25 |
: The vibe there is great, the food and beer selection is weirdly good, and it has a very strong sense of place.
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2:25 |
: Is it spooky thinking your chats (and other fangraphs chats) could just be one person changing their name for each question?
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2:26 |
: It is spooky thinking any of you want to talk to me about baseball, though I am glad you all do.
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2:26 |
: Is this the year Nelson Cruz’s age finally catches up with him?
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2:26 |
: The wrist thing isn’t great, but no signs so far.
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2:27 |
: Why isn’t the fact that MLB is constantly tinkering with the ball (apparently in secret?) a bigger, more public deal to players, coaches, GMs, etc.?
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2:27 |
: I think it is– pitchers, for instance, seem very grumpy.
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2:27 |
: I think a lot of this stuff plays out privately.
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2:28 |
: We keep hearing about these super bouncy balls they are using in AAA. How much of a difference do they truly make?
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2:29 |
: Go look at the PCL stats
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2:30 |
: Kershaw or Paddack tonight? And will you be watching?
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2:30 |
: Paddack and hell yes
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2:30 |
: Are you excited about Shed Long? He seems like a fun player to have on your team.
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2:30 |
: He is. He is at times quite unfun to watch in the field, but I love the offensive profile.
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2:30 |
: Just to be clear, I was talking about an organization’s 20-25th guy, not an overall top 20. For the mariners that’s Joe Rizzo/Branyan Perez/David McCay.
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2:31 |
: No, I understand. I’m just saying, there seems to be some inflation of trade value amongst some Mariners fans and observers that I find very strange.
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2:32 |
: “It is very hard for the continued existence of cases like this to not alter one’s appreciation for the sport in a meaningful way.” I can see your point, but let’s not exaggerate the impact of cases like Urias. Are there any statistics showing that baseball has a higher incidence of domestic violence convictions, etc., as compared to any other industry? Every group of people–whether a company, a sports league, a civic organization, etc.–has a few bad actors. Condemning every *group* because of the presence of those *individuals* risks condemning all of society.
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2:33 |
: Well society handles these things very poorly, so that isn’t a indictment without some merit. At no point did I say these incidents occur more frequently in baseball than in another avenue of life. They do occur frequently enough that it tarnishes my enjoyment of a form of entertainment, and that feeling is furthered by some of the very obvious institutional issues that determine how they are dealt with.
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2:34 |
: re: the juiced ball — how would you feel about baseballs being filled with actual juice ? what’s yr favorite juice ?
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2:34 |
: Not a big juice person, as juice is often too sweet. I do like grapefruit juice.
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2:34 |
: If you were in charge of running a team, what sort of philosophy would you follow? Offense or pitching first? Toolsy raw talent or high-technique? I imagine it would at least be mostly analytics-leaning
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2:36 |
: Analytics-leaning certainly. If you’re talking about a player development and drafting strategy, farms that lean pitching heavy make me awfully nervous, but the first thing I’d do is go hire a very smart scouting direction and head of baseball ops and let them tell me all the ways I was being a real goofus.
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2:36 |
: Voit, Urshela, German, even kind-of-okay Tauchman… is finding these people luck, GM skill, or player-development skill?
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2:36 |
: Combination of all three, though I am willing to weight that heavily in player dev’s favor in this case.
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2:37 |
: Whats your favorite ball park to visit? Why?
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2:38 |
: Hard to beat your home park, especially one as good as Seattle’s. I really enjoy Petco and Coors, and weirdly Chase field? Have spent some very pleasant games at Chase. It’s like going to a baseball game in a Costco, but like, a really nice Costco?
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2:38 |
: Also, Salt River is low-key one of the best venues in baseball.
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2:38 |
: as far as you’re aware, is MLB making any effort to increase minor league salaries ? always crazy to hear stories of minor leaguers having to get odd jobs during the off-season (home depot , construction , etc.)
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2:40 |
: I have heard from some team folks that more clubs are contemplating raises, though those raises are not of the sort that are likely to shift minor leaguers out of needing offseason jobs.
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2:40 |
: Hi Meg, if you were a Dodger fan what sort of response would you be hoping for from the front office?
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2:41 |
: You want to feel that it is being taken seriously, that it is centered around doing what is right for the victim. I don’t quite know how to describe this but, you want to see that they *get* it. That they know how to talk about this stuff. So basically not any of the stuff the Cubs have done with Russell?
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2:41 |
: The Mariners have no need to rush guys, agreed. And, it hasn’t really seemed that players like Sheffield, Swanson, Dunn, Bishop, or Mallex are banging down the door demanding playing time. However, when Seager returns, you’ve got Healy, Bruce, Vogelbach, Encarnacion, Beckham, and maybe Santana for whom DH should be their first position, and probably there shouldn’t be a second position. Where do they all go if we don’t start trying to move them?
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2:42 |
: Well, I suspect Healy goes to Tacoma, Seager goes back to third, and the rest stick around sort of as they are.
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2:42 |
: They aren’t going to DH Santana or Bruce regularly, I don’t think.
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2:42 |
: They’ve already accepted having a horrible defense, and these wins don’t matter!
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2:43 |
: Man, I’m excited about the prospect graduations this year! Hiura, Senzel, Vladito, Tatis, Vogelbach, Alonso- Paddack (but also Canning, Martin)- it’s a big year for starlets. Who do you think comes out on top for fWAR, what with Vlad handicapping his own predicted domination?
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2:43 |
: Vlad still tops for me and then gimme all those good Paddack changeups, gimme gimme gimme.
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2:43 |
: I don’t know how good a team run by you would be (I’d think at least decent), but I’d be willing to bet it would be one of the most fun! Both to watch and also follow in general.
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2:44 |
: I think it would be a spectacular failure! Hopefully I’d just hire smartly and diversely and go from there.
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2:44 |
: boygenius is a great band. Did you like Phoebe Bridger’s collaboration with Conor Oberst?
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2:44 |
: I do even though I do not care for Conor Oberst as a solo artist.
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2:45 |
: Don’t despair Mariners fans, you absolutely robbed the Mets in the Diaz/Cano/Kelenic deal. Diaz ahs been good but not electric, and Cano looks every bit his age and then some.
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2:45 |
: Truly just a month in with prospects who haven’t debuted yet.
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2:45 |
: I thought it was strange that they gave up Kelenic at the time, and you could prove to be correct but it’s very early.
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2:46 |
: If all things were even, do you see first rounders this June going more college than HS and is it a control of contract issue? Is the Peter Alonso scenario a good barometer?
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2:47 |
: Sounds like a great time to read Kiley and Eric’s latest mock draft!
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2:48 |
: My local AAA team let families on the field after Sunday’s game to play catch with their moms. It was great. Moms are the best. That’s all.
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2:48 |
: That is neat! Many moms are great. Some moms are terrible. Humans are really hard to figure sometimes.
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2:49 |
: I graduate high school in a month and am going to be majoring in journalism. Any advice for an aspiring writer?
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2:49 |
: I do not want to discourage people from majoring in journalism. Journalism is very important, especially now. Paying rent is also good, so maybe double major?
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2:50 |
: feels like MLB needs to institute a policy re: domestic violence. Players should be suspended until they complete counseling, and there should be a minimum 162 game suspension regardless of severity of the incident. Offending player should not return to original team once suspension is lifted. If the team is penalized maybe they will be more thoughtful about counseling and supporting their players.
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2:51 |
: I think, and no offense, but the policy should be shaped by experts in the field, as what you’re describing sounds a lot closer to zero tolerance than is likely advisable.
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2:51 |
: You should tell people at the beginning of the chat that you don’t answer fantasy questions
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2:51 |
: You have a lot more faith in that mattering than I do.
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2:51 |
: What part of Cubs response indicated they didn’t take it seriously?
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2:52 |
: Not sure you can read Maddon’s comments in particular and walk away think, oh, here is guy who gets it.
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2:52 |
: Also they uh tendered a contract to a not very good player in the first place?
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2:53 |
: Regarding the increase to minor league salaries. The Blue Jays are increasing the pay to all their minor leaguers by 50%.
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2:53 |
: They are– they still don’t pay the most in the minors and those wages still don’t get their guys out of the situation they’re in now.
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2:54 |
: Is Paddack more interesting than Willians?
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2:54 |
: Why are you making me pick a favorite from among my baseball children? WHY?
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2:54 |
: I agree 100% on Maddon’s comments. I was more thinking about Theo and the front office addressing the situation. Also, not sure how the fact that Russell isn’t very good has anything to do with their approach to this.
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2:56 |
: Because they could have just said, you know, the balance on this isn’t remotely worth it for us, and we’re an org with a really bad recent history on these questions, and we’re going to prioritize caring about this issue. Instead, they did this.
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2:56 |
: Do you prefer Better Oblivion Community Center or Boygenius from Phoebe Bridgers?
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2:56 |
: boygenius
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2:57 |
: I keep seeing people saying this. How is Russell not very good? He’s a subpar hitter, but he has had a 4 bWAR season and has posted positive WAA every season that he’s played. I’m all for hating the guy for his repulsive actions, but it’s disingenuous to act as though he’s a bad player, and the exact problem we’re facing is that players get a free pass if the team thinks he’s a solid contributor.
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2:57 |
: He’s only been about three WAR by our numbers once, it was a while ago, the bat isn’t good, and I think the defensive value is overstated by the metrics. How good a player isn’t shouldn’t what matters here, but this is an easy test to pass.
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2:58 |
: Is it exhausting to fight with the world’s most sensitive men on the internet every week? I hope this isn’t draining for you. Seriously!
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2:59 |
: I like doing chats. I think it is good to talk about this stuff, and it isn’t an easy question.
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2:59 |
: Is Mike Trout good enough at weather to read the incoming thunderclap from the Thanos snap early enough to potentially save himself from being dusted?
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3:00 |
: this is not consistent with my understanding of how the snap works
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3:00 |
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3:00 |
: Ohhhh boy.
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3:01 | : He’s going to be great fun. Check out the guys’ blurb in the Top 100 |
3:01 |
: Ok all, I have to get rolling
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3:01 |
: Thanks for the questions, and sorry for what I didn’t get to. Hope everyone has a great week.
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3:02 |
: A slight programing note: I will not be chatting next week, as I am Colorado bound to see my cousin graduate from high school.
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Meg is the editor-in-chief of FanGraphs and the co-host of Effectively Wild. Prior to joining FanGraphs, her work appeared at Baseball Prospectus, Lookout Landing, and Just A Bit Outside. You can follow her on Bluesky @megrowler.fangraphs.com.