Mets To Continue Walking in a Winker Wonderland

When the Mets signed Juan Soto in December, he was, technically speaking, filling the hole that Jesse Winker left behind. Of course, that’s a bit like buying the Batmobile to replace an expired bus pass. Winker’s greatest strength is drawing walks, and Soto’s career walk rate makes Winker’s career walk rate look like Jeff McNeil’s career walk rate. Still, the point stands. The Mets lost one lefty-batting corner outfielder to free agency and replaced him with another. Yet, on Thursday afternoon, they re-signed Winker anyway. His one-year, $7.5 million contract is fairly straightforward, but the ramifications for New York’s roster could be much more complex.
Poor baserunning, miserable defense, and frequent injuries have limited Winker throughout his career. All the same, his bat was a major asset for the Reds from 2017-21. In just over 1,500 plate appearances with Cincinnati, he slashed .288/.385/.504 with a 132 wRC+. While he thrived at Great American Ball Park, he made his mark outside of that hitter’s haven, too, producing an .845 OPS and 126 wRC+ on the road. He made the All-Star team in his final season with the Reds, batting .305 with 24 home runs in 110 games, good for a career-best 3.2 WAR.
The next two seasons, however, marked a period of steep decline for Winker. Playing for the Mariners and Brewers, he managed just 0.7 WAR in 2022 and -0.8 in 2023. His agent might point out that back, neck, and knee injuries hampered his performance in that time, as did some bad luck on balls in play; his xwOBA was nearly 30 points better than his wOBA, while his BABIP was more than 50 ticks below his average from the previous five years. Even so, it would have been more than fair to worry about his future as a major leaguer after his dismal 2023 campaign. Entering 2024, his ZiPS projection was a mere 0.4 WAR in 415 plate appearances, and he was forced to sign a minor league contract with the Nationals less than two weeks before spring training began.
Back to full health, Winker rebounded in Washington. While he wasn’t a power threat like he’d been in his Reds heyday, he knocked 18 doubles and 11 home runs, giving him a middle-of-the-pack .162 ISO. His BABIP was back up above .300, and his 14.0% walk rate ranked fifth among qualified batters (as of his final day with the Nats). All in all, he put up a 125 wRC+ and 1.2 WAR in 101 games.
This was enough to pique the Mets’ interest ahead of the trade deadline. However, after Washington sent him to New York, Winker wasn’t the productive hitter that the Mets thought they were getting when they acquired him. Well, at least not during the regular season, when Winker was little more than replacement level with his new team. All the more disappointing, he was set up to thrive with the Mets: He had the platoon advantage almost every time he came to the plate. While Washington used him as an everyday player, New York shielded him from southpaws; he faced just four left-handed pitchers over the final two months of the season. Nonetheless, his 97 wRC+ with the Mets was much closer to his career mark against lefties (88) than righties (129).
The problem was rooted in Winker’s approach at the plate. With the Nationals, he ran that aforementioned 14.0% walk rate and struck out just 22.2% of the time. After the trade, he lowered his strikeout rate to 17.1%, which might’ve been a good thing, except that his walk rate also dropped way down, to 7.8%. With the Mets, Winker swung more often and made more contact, especially on pitches in the strike zone. His Z-Swing% (per Statcast) jumped from 60.5% to 70.4%, while his Z-Contact% jumped from 85.5% to 91.2%. This wouldn’t have been a problem if he crushed many of those extra balls he put in play, but, naturally, he did not.
So, why did Winker suddenly change his approach at a time when things were going well? I’d posit the Mets noticed that he was holding back on too many hittable pitches over the first four months of the season and let him know that was the case after the trade. According to Robert Orr’s calculations from his Damage leaderboard, Winker was better than the average hitter at identifying hittable pitches every year from 2020-23. Yet, with the Nationals this past season, his Hittable Pitch Take rate put him in the bottom third of the league. After he started swinging at more strikes with the Mets, he rose back up to the 66th percentile. The problem, however, was that he sacrificed another critical skill in the process. Winker’s selectivity rate — Orr’s metric that shows how often a player avoids swinging at bad pitches — fell from the 73rd percentile as a National to the 35th percentile as a Met. All that is to say, Winker swung at more good pitches, but he also swung at more bad ones, and he didn’t do enough damage against good pitches to compensate for his lack of production against the bad ones. Ultimately, his hard-hit and barrel rates were lower with the Mets than they were with the Nationals, as were his wOBA and xwOBA on contact.
This raises another question: Why would the Mets want Winker back if their efforts to improve his approach went so poorly? Perhaps they think he just needs a little more time to reap the rewards. After all, 129 plate appearances is nothing. Aaron Judge was still hitting below the Mendoza Line with an OPS in the mid-.700s by his 129th plate appearances last season. Thankfully for our purposes, we have an easy way to increase the sample size of Winker’s 2024 season with the Mets: Include the playoffs, as Winker took an additional 32 plate appearances in October. He continued to swing at strikes at a similar rate, but he used those swings to record several big hits, including two triples and a home run. He also drew seven walks, compared to just four strikeouts. If you combine those numbers with Winker’s regular season stats as a Met, you get a 10.6% walk rate, a 16.1% strikeout rate, and a .341 wOBA. Even more promising is his .353 xwOBA, notably higher than his .335 xwOBA with the Nationals. All of a sudden, it makes a lot more sense why the Mets decided to keep this guy around.
It’s far too soon to say if Winker’s new approach will work in a larger sample size. Still, it’s not hard to see why the Mets think he’s worth a longer look. In a best-case scenario, he could be an even more productive hitter than he was overall in 2024. And if this new approach doesn’t befit him going forward, he doesn’t have to be anything more than the hitter he was in Washington to be valuable on a one-year, $7.5 million deal. After all, the Mets will continue to shield him from left-handed pitching, and his track record against righties is strong:
| Season | PA | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|
| 2017 | 111 | 169 |
| 2018 | 263 | 136 |
| 2019 | 334 | 124 |
| 2020 | 142 | 144 |
| 2021 | 367 | 178 |
| 2022 | 407 | 100 |
| 2023 | 184 | 66 |
| 2024 | 404 | 124 |
| Career | 2,212 | 129 |
So, that’s Winker. But this signing is an iceberg – and ironically, it’s the rare kind of iceberg that isn’t so good for a polar bear. At first glance, this is just a 1.0- to 1.5-WAR player signing a short-term deal commensurate with his talents. Yet, there’s a lot more to it than what you see on the surface. When SNY’s Andy Martino first reported the Winker signing, he added that the Mets are now preparing for life after Pete Alonso. Indeed, while no one could argue that Winker is a direct replacement for the All-Star first baseman, there is a connection between this signing and the Mets’ possibly giving up on Alonso if you follow the trail of dominoes far enough.
With Soto, Brandon Nimmo, Jose Siri, and Tyrone Taylor to man the outfield, the Mets are likely to use Winker as their primary DH against right-handed pitching. However, he can still play the corner outfield if he needs to; he spent 95 games on the grass last season, including 27 with New York. So, in the event of an injury to one of the team’s other outfielders, Winker can fill in. That means the Mets are less likely to ask McNeil to play the outfield in 2025. Instead, he can ideally play second base almost every day. As long as McNeil is covering the keystone, the Mets won’t need any of their young infielders at second base, therefore allowing Brett Baty, Luisangel Acuña, and Ronny Mauricio to focus their efforts on third. If just one of them, or some combination of the three, can competently cover the hot corner, Mark Vientos will be able to play first base full-time. Long story short, Winker improves the outfield depth, which indirectly improves the infield depth, which should allow Vientos to formally replace Alonso at first.
Another aspect to the iceberg is how this all affects Starling Marte, whose Gold Glove years are long behind him. In 170 games in the outfield over the past two years, he has accumulated -13 DRS, -14 OAA, and a -12 FRV. Meanwhile, neither ZiPS nor Steamer sees him as much more than a league-average bat. As a righty hitter, he could theoretically platoon with Winker at DH. After all, he posted an impressive 141 wRC+ against left-handed pitching last year. Yet, even with the platoon advantage, Marte might not be a strong enough hitter to warrant the reps. While he has had positive platoon splits the last three years, he had reverse platoon splits every year from 2014-21. In other words, he’s hardly a guaranteed lefty masher. On the contrary, ZiPS projects him for a .698 OPS against lefties and a .713 OPS against righties in 2025. Even if the Mets were willing to give a roster spot to the short side of a DH platoon, Marte probably wouldn’t be that guy.
The final component of the iceberg is what the Mets do next. Steve Cohen’s pockets are already deep, but if the Mets aren’t going to give Alonso a multi-year contract, and if they can get someone to take on any of Marte’s remaining salary, they’ll only have more to spend. With a projected payroll still $49 million below last year’s final tally and a luxury tax payroll still $17 million below the top penalty threshold, the Mets remain major players to watch as the offseason rolls on.
Leo has written for FanGraphs, MLB Trade Rumors, Baseball Prospectus, and Lindy’s Sports. You can follow him on Bluesky @leomorgenstern.bsky.social.
Even though Joc Pederson was my preferred DH I’m fine with this signing—he’s a very good on base guy and I’m hoping he can slug around .450 and really never play the OF. I’m not a Marte fan but he’s good vs lefties hopefully Mendoza doesn’t play him too much. As far as Alonso well it still feel like he doesn’t have much of a market but the Blue Jays being desperate enough to put him at first and Vlad at third with Bo at SS would be some kind of infield.
Joc Pederson has gone from overrated to underrated now that he’s just a platoon DH. Winker is not anywhere near that level, but he helps lengthen the lineup a bit and it doesn’t look like he is blocking anyone since they didn’t have any real DH plan against right handed pitching before. And he is cheap enough that if Alonso comes back asking to take their last offer it is not a big deal for a team with these resources.
For all the talk about the Mets being ready to move on from Alonso, it should be noted that nobody, and I mean nobody else seems even remotely interested in meeting Boras’ contract desires for Alonso.
The days of teams paying 30+ year old 1B for 6+ year deals is over. If it ages poorly for HoFers (Pujols, Cabrera), it sure isn’t going to age well for guys in the next levels below.
3 years, 80 million seems more than reasonable, and is supposedly just above what the Mets are offering. Short of learning Japanese, there is no other market for Alonso.
The Bellinger deal, more or less. I think those deals are much better than a standard pillow deal, since you get to time your free agency to line up with a good walk year.
I think the fact that he got that offer is proof he made the right call by rejecting the QO, but the QO might be hurting him a bit too. He should probably just get the most number of opt outs he can so he can try again on his terms without the QO.
The other downside of going to another team on a shorter term deal is that he would likely have to DH. The Blue Jays and Mariners would make him DH, and neither is a super fit for them either (the Blue Jays need a left handed bat, the Mariners need a second and third baseman). Same with a lot of other teams.
i cant imagine anyone is hesitant losing a 4th round pick to sign alonso.
It’s not a 4th round pick and is usually a second round pick. For revenue payers it is their second highest pick, for revenue recipients it is the third highest pick, which for most of them is a second rounder since they get comp round picks.
Teams over the CBT also lose international money.
This team is going to be in on Tanner Scott and potentially Kirby Yates too. A Diaz – Scott – Minter trio at the back of the bullpen would be pretty great.
I would also go for Flaherty if I were them but they seem to think their rotation is fine.
I imagine that the team would be happy to have Alonso back on their terms but that it isn’t a priority now. If he comes back, great. If not, they have a plan.
The dodgers just signed Sazaki, no rotation is just fine!
Offering Alonso $23 million per year to play first base is a totally fair offer for a player with his stats, age, and history. I don’t know why he won’t take it. He must be furious at Boras for holding out for a huge deal and souring his relationship with the Mets. I know Pete WANTS to return, and the Mets want him back also. $23 million isn’t an insulting offer by any stretch of the imagination. I would imagine it’s Boras that’s urging him to wait out the Mets until they get desperate right before spring training. It’s unfortunate, but that’s his strategy. I think Pete should fire Boras, take the money, and return.
It’s also clear that the Mets have their eye on Vlad Jr. Whether or not they trade for him this year, Cohen knows he can just outbid everyone next offseason without giving up any prospects, and the idea of having Vlad Jr. and Soto in the heart of the order for the next 14 years is drool-inducing. It’s no wonder they are including a 1-year opt-out for Pete, and trying to bridge this year with Winker. Vlad’s the real prize, and Cohen/Stearns must have a pretty good idea that they can get him. I wonder what backroom conversations they’ve had with people to that effect.
I am curious how this would work. I don’t really know much regarding how agents work in baseball, and laws, etc. For example would Alonso even be allowed to fire Boras and hire no one (or someone) and then go back and take the deal he was offered under Boras? Because if so you would think that at least a few players would have done that, especially if it was the last contract they intended on having, right? Now obviously I don’t think most players would do that, but at least *someone* would have, right?
My guess is there is probably some sort of laws or something? Or else I’m pretty sure at least one guy would have been like I want the exact same contract verbatim I was offered prior. I’m sure there are some terms somewhere that say like “this contract cannot be reused etc” right?
Your agent works for you and only takes a cut of the profits you make through the agent’s negotiation. I would imagine you could fire your agent at any time with no penalty since you’re technically not paying them until you get a deal.
Ok so you think an agent can negotiate a deal for you, then seconds before signing it you fire him? I’m not saying that to be condescending, I’m just curious if that is actually possible.
I’m sure there is contract language that forbids that. But that’s also pretty bad practice. What agent would ever want to work for you if you did that to your agents?
Right, I was speculating if it was possible. I agree, only way a guy would do that would be if it was last contract I’d venture
I’d imagine that there would be something that would stop this. It could be that in the player-agent agreement the agent is entitled to their cut on any contract that they had negotiated, even if they no longer represent the player. Or the contract offer is between the club and the agent, so the agent “owns” the IP of the contract. I have no knowledge of contract law, but agents are common enough in enough industries that if this was possible someone would’ve tried to stiff their agent by now. Or maybe this does actually happen quite frequently.
Sort of what I figured as well. I would imagine it would have happened at least once if there wasn’t some law against it. Someone brought it up, so I was just curious.
Yeah, a typical provision is that the agent is entitled to a cut of any deal negotiated by them, even if it’s signed after the agent is fired. Unless the player hired a different agent before signing, in which case that agent probably negotiated more, so they’re entitled to the cut instead.
Why would he be “furious” at Boras since it was Alonso who made the decision? Boras works for Alonso. If Pete really wanted to stay with the Mets, he simply would have accepted the original offer. He believed he could get more. He STILL had an opening to return to the Mets in the last week, but reportedly rejected the deal the Mets offered. That means his main goal, understandably, is to maximize dollars. Returning to the Mets might be a preference, but it’s not the main goal.
That’s quite possible. I’m quite sure that Boras is counseling him as well and that it’s not solely Pete’s decision. Agents say all the time, “I can get you more money. Here’s your best path forward.” Because that’s their job – to make the most money for their clients. They also get a percentage of a higher amount.
It’s definitely partly Pete, no question. But Pete is looking for big money, and Boras is promising it but not delivering. In the end, he may end up with a deal similar to the one the Mets initially offered him, but he’ll have had to go through all this acrimony first. That’s why I’d be mad at Boras if I were Pete, for overestimating his market and putting him through the ringer.
I get that argument if it was a relatively unknown agent. But it is Scott Boras! He is more famous than, what, at least 95% of baseball players?
He, quite famously, had clients last off-season who turned down better deals than they eventually accepted, because he was pushing for the best deal. You know exactly what you’re getting with Boras.
Yeah, agreed. I just know that Pete wants to return, and the Mets want him to return, and Pete is also trying to make money. Boras is the X-factor in the way that is promising that a market will materialize that will offer Pete what he’s looking for, and that’s turned out to be an empty promise. So what Pete is left with is a return to the Mets for still tens of millions of dollars per year. That seems like a pretty good deal, and I wonder why he’s not accepted it yet if he really wants to remain a Met. The only reason I can think of is Boras. Hence why I think Pete must be upset that Boras didn’t deliver on his promise. No one else is going to meet that asking price. So he can either take tens of millions to come back to the Mets (his stated preference) or tens of millions to go somewhere else. At this point, holding out for more money seems like a losing strategy.
Winker was our best hitter for a few months last season. I entered this offseason wanting him to sign with us again. I wish him the best!
But we are starting the season with Josh Bell on. Who is not better, but ok and cheap.
While the “Winker signing signals non-interest in re-signing Alonso” narrative seems popular these days, it is kinda weak. I mean, the Mets still need another corner bat to go with Vientos, and Winker is pretty irrelevant to that. I really doubt that a team awash in money and ambition as the Mets are really want to run Brett Baty or Acuna’s little brother at 3b and hope it works and that they generate contention-level production. There is almost certainly anther move coming.
Now, if the Mets signed Alex Bregman or traded for Alex Bohm or Tristan Casas, THAT would mean that they have moved on from Alonso.
It’s legitimate to go with Acuna/Baty/Mauricio at 3B initially, then if it doesn’t work, trade for a 3B in June/July, or maybe a 1B and move Vientos back to 3B then. Winker makes that a bit easier. Working this approach now does not preclude them signing Alonso, or I’d imagine Bregman for that matter, if the price is right or the contract short enough.