Michael Pineda Is At It Again

If you’ve spent any time thinking about Michael Pineda, you’ve probably spent some time trying to figure out what’s wrong with Michael Pineda. He strikes out a ton of guys, walks very few, and posts FIPs better than league average. He also gives up a lot of home runs, has trouble with runners on base, and can’t seem to keep his ERA anywhere near league average.

Pineda’s season debut yesterday against Tampa Bay appeared only to offer more of the same. Despite recording a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 6:0 against 18 batters, Pineda ultimately allowed four runs in just 3.2 innings (box). While one game isn’t going to tell us much, yesterday’s performance didn’t do anything to suggest that this year’s version of Pineda is going to differ much from last year’s.

We didn’t always write articles trying to figure out what was wrong with Michael Pineda. Back in 2014, when Pineda was just returning from a series of injuries that kept him out for most of three seasons, Jeff Sullivan praised Pineda for his aggressiveness and improved command despite a somewhat lengthy layoff. The following spring, Eno Sarris examined what appeared to be a nasty changeup that could serve him well. Jeff Sullivan followed up a month later to discuss the possibility that Pineda was benefiting from increased velocity while also managing to locate his fastball and change in the right spots. That piece was written right after Pineda struck out 16 Baltimore Orioles without yielding a walk. For the rest of the season, Pineda put up an okay 3.92 FIP and a bad 5.02 ERA, which he essentially duplicated last in 2016.

So last season, Eno took a look at Pineda, writing two pieces in one day. The first highlighted Pineda’s command, which maybe was inferior to what Pineda had exhibited previously. The second noted Pineda’s problems with runners on base, which could have been a product of pitching from the stretch. Sarris also hypothesized that Pineda might be too afraid of conceding walks with runners on. Finally, this past offseason, Nick Stellini stepped up, noting that Pineda had tended to throw a lot of fastballs in the middle of the zone (which got hit really hard) and many of his sliders out of the zone (which were balls). On their own, both Eno’s and Nick’s ideas have merits. Let’s combine their hypotheses and see what happens.

Let’s begin by looking at fastball command. The graph below shows Michael Pineda’s fastball location from 2016 — against righthanders, in both cases — with bases empty and runners on base. (Images courtesy Baseball Savant.)

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So what do we learn here? With the bases empty (on the left), Pineda throws a ton of fastballs right down the middle. With men on (right), he still throws it down the middle a decent amount, but also heads to the corner some. This lends some credence to Nick’s theory that Pineda is merely throwing too many dang fastballs in the middle of the plate — as well as Eno’s on-base/stretch theory, as Pineda appears to behave differently (whether on purpose or not) with runners on. In both cases, he gets smashed equivalently conceding a slugging percentage in the high .500s.

Now let’s check on the slider.

With the bases empty (left), Pineda throws a bunch of sliders down and out of the zone. With runners on, though, he gets a lot more of the plate. As for results, with the bases empty, players slugged just .283 against the pitch. With runners on, that number jumped nearly 100 points to .378. And while we’re dealing with only 100 or so plate appearances in each instance, the heat maps tend to support the difference.

Whether a product of approach or simply an inability to command pitches, Pineda definitely does something different with runners on base. Last season, pitchers lost about two percentage points in strikeout rate with runners on base compared to bases empty. Pineda, however, produced roughly the same figure. Pitchers added 1.5 points when it came to walk rate, but Pineda dropped his rate by a percentage point. For home runs, pitchers see a big drop with runners on base, from 1.26 HR/9 to 1.05. There’s some logic in that: if walks are going up and homers are going down, it suggests pitchers are being more careful. Pineda’s walks go down, though, and his homers increase from 1.13 per nine to 1.76.

Some of Pineda’s home-run rate is due to pitching in Yankee stadium, but when he gets on the road, his results are almost as bad; he sees a big spike in doubles to make up a bunch of the runs he loses by allowing fewer homers. It’s not purely an exit-velocity issue either. He didn’t see great results in exit velocity against last year, but he wasn’t all the way at the bottom either. It certainly seems like the two major culprits are an excess of fat fastballs and an alteration to his approach with runners on base.

We won’t get into the approach with runners on base from yesterday’s game because we only have nine right-handed batters faced — although he did give up five singles in those plate appearances appearances — but we can take a look at location, generally, of both the fastball and the slider. Here are Pineda’s fastballs and their results, per Baseball Savant.

I count 16 pitches here that are clearly in the strike zone. Of those, six turned into hits, with three called strikes, three fouls, two whiffs, and two outs in play. That isn’t what you want to see. The upper portion of the zone saw more called and swinging strikes, but it also saw the home run. As for the slider, it looked pretty good.

That’s a lot of swinging strikes, fouls, and outs here — and most of them are in the bottom of the zone. Pineda threw only three changeups (two for balls), but all three were pretty well located. In the end, Pineda got six strikeouts without allowing a walk, but he also gave up a homer and five runs. His one-game FIP is 3.17 and his one-game ERA is 9.82. Those numbers represent extremes for Pineda, but they are essentially an exaggerated version of what we’ve seen the last couple years: a lot of strikeouts, few walks, a lot of homers, and a lot of runs.

I don’t know that we’re any closer to figuring out Michael Pineda, but it certainly seems as if he’d be better served by locating his fastball towards the top of the strike zone more consistently. He could also take some steps with runners on base, either by attempting to be more careful with the heart of the zone or by working in a way that more closely resembled his windup (and perhaps abandoning some control of the running game in the process). Those things might help, but we don’t know for sure if they’re even possible. He’s a free agent at the end of the season, so maybe he will just get traded to Pittsburgh at some point and let Ray Searage figure it out. Until then, he’ll remain a mystery.





Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.

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southie
9 years ago

Shave those sideburns Mattingly. Also tell that nincompoop on the mound to straighten his hat. Maybe that will help his control issues.

southie
9 years ago
Reply to  southie

Butt hurt Yankees nation still alive and well I see.

southie
9 years ago
Reply to  southie

MHSA

Make Hats Straight Again

The Ghost of Stephen Drews BatMember since 2026
9 years ago

Disclaimer: I have not read one work of the article and I already know what it is about.

Oh Pineda, please stop doing what you do.

The Ghost of Stephen Drews BatMember since 2026
9 years ago

“so maybe he will just get traded to Pittsburgh at some point and let Ray Searage figure it out.”

[triggered]

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

Serious question: Why are teams not lining up to pay Searage several million dollars a year? Just because it seems weird to pay a pitching coach that much? The value he has provided to the Pirates has been tremendous.

OTMHeartBBCMember since 2025
9 years ago

Breaking news, fastball with no life gets killed

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago

“attempting to be more careful with the heart of the zone”? What specifically do you want beyond “try harder”?

He does make a point of not chucking them down the middle with runners on, you showed that. His heatmaps actually ?look pretty reasonable at targeting the edge of the zone, and he doesn’t even walk people more. He might benefit from some high fastballs, sure, but I don’t see what’s you’re identifying as *wrong* with his approach. Except that he gives up dongs.

mr.slave28
9 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

I mean, he only threw 3 change ups. He needs to throw the fastball a lot less, so he could start with more change ups possibly. Or see if he can find a cutter or two seam. Kluber is a guy with a bad fastball who was able to remake himself by throwing the curveball/cutter combo. Maybe Pineda can find something similar. The point is that he hasn’t tried ANYTHING different, and he needs to make an adjustment.

brood550
9 years ago

I saw the headline and I immediately thought this would be an article on his usage of pine tar and the subsequent ejections.

Good article 🙂

Pwn Shop
9 years ago
Reply to  brood550

I thought the same thing, oh boy did he put pine tar on his eyelid this time?!

Don't talk to me in the Uber pool, I dont know you
9 years ago

Not that related to the article but Michael Pineda related, for the preseason projection, why give a pitcher FIP based WAR. If the projections expect a pitcher to have a different ERA than FIP then in terms of projecting how valuable that player will be for there team, the FIP doesn’t matter. I understand in season Fangraphs believes FIP is a truer indicator of talent, but the pitchers projected ERA-FIP differential wouldn’t change if he was traded teams in the offseason, meaning the projections think his FIP performance will not equate exactly to the amount of Value he creates for his team, no matter what team he is on. This is especially true for Michael Pineda, the Yankee projection is skewed because it is based on FIP war, and everyone who has payed attention to baseball the last few years knows Michael Pineda is not going to provide the Value his FIP based war projection says he will. Whether or not this means solely FIP based war without some sort of ERA blend is an innacurate statistic for pitchers as a whole is something I will leave for another day.

John Autin
9 years ago

Maybe Pineda can learn something from his teammate, Masahiro Tanaka. Since 2015, they’ve faced almost the same number of batters, with almost the same BB and HR rates. Pineda has the edge in strikeouts, which gives him a better FIP, but Tanaka’s actual ERA is far better:

2015-17:
Pitcher … SO% …. BB% …. HR% …. ERA …. FIP
Pineda … 25.6% … 5.1% … 3.4% … 4.66 … 3.57
Tanaka … 21.4% … 4.5% … 3.4% … 3.41 … 3.78

Tanaka’s results are better both with bases empty and with men aboard, but much more so in the latter split, and their respective differences in those situations are interesting:

Compared to bases empty, Tanaka with men on has seen a small drop in SO% (from 22.0% to 20.3%), a large hike in BB% (3.5%-6.6%, none of them intentional), and a small drop in HR% (3.7%-2.9%).

On the other hand, Pineda with men on has seen a static SO%, a small drop in BB% (5.4%-4.7%), and a large rise in HR% (2.8%-4.3%).

I don’t know if Tanaka’s edge is more about strategy, stuff, or mental fortitude that lets him execute better. But his uncanny excellence with RISP has been on display ever since his 2014 debut, and if there’s knowledge involved, it could help Pineda. (Or, not.)

Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I’d be curious to see Tanaka’s heat maps.

ericdykstra
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I think it all comes down to command. Tanaka has fantastic command, so when runners are on base he’s more likely to pitch around the edges of the zone to induce weak contact, and when there are no runners on he’s more likely to challenge the batter in the zone.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
9 years ago

He needs more pine tar

ericdykstra
9 years ago

Watching a Pineda start is like a lesson in the difference between “control” and “command.” Sure Pineda can repeat his delivery and throw strikes consistently, but he doesn’t seem to be able to have any command over where the ball goes in the strike zone. That leads to a lot of hard contact, year after year.

Green Mountain Boy
9 years ago

Why does this remind me of Ball Four – where Joe Schultz comes out to the mound to give a struggling Jim Bouton this advice: “Don’t give him anything good to hit, but don’t walk him”.

fjtorres
9 years ago

Could it be more a matter of pitch selection? Maybe he needs to go to the Cards so Yadier Molina can tell him what to throw and where to put it.

esolney33
9 years ago

zimmerman wrote a good piece about this in the offseason, identifying pineda’s inability to locate his secondary pitches (mainly the slider) as a culprit. batters sit on the FB early in the count.

Doorknob11
9 years ago

I wonder if it’s that he’s lacked throwing to a good framing catcher, I know some pitchers just throw and let the cards fall as they may. But Pineda seems like the kind of guy that will try to make up for that by throwing the ball more in the zone. Just an idea.

bjoakMember since 2020
9 years ago

Lot of people seem confused by the word “careful” in here which should probably be a lesson for the site. It just means someone is nibbling around the edges, risking walks. Excellent analysis, first time I’ve seen his issues explained well. I hope the Yankees are reading.