Mike Trout and a Relative Pittance

When’s the last time you looked up a player’s pre-arbitration salary figures? Is the answer “never”? The answer is probably “never”. Before a player is arbitration-eligible, he makes almost nothing, sticking in the realm of six figures. We think about salaries when salaries get bigger, because that’s when they start to matter for real. We almost never end up talking about a pre-arbitration contract, so it should tell you something that we’re talking about one now.

Presumably, you’ve heard. Over the weekend, it was announced that Mike Trout had his contract renewed for 2013. After making the minimum in 2012, Trout had his salary bumped all the way up to $510,000 for 2013, just $20,000 above the new league minimum. All Trout was a year ago was the best player in the world, and for all we know the universe, and the fact he didn’t get a bigger raise has drawn a statement from his agent:

“During the process, on behalf of Mike, I asked only that the Angels compensate Mike fairly for his historic 2012 season, given his service time. In my opinion, this contract falls well short of a ‘fair’ contract, and I have voiced this to the Angels throughout the process.

“The $510,000 salary was not the result of a negotiated compromise between Mike and the Angels. Because Mike has less than three years of major league service and has not yet reached arbitration, the Angels have the right under the [collective bargaining agreement] to unilaterally impose a salary upon Mike, and they chose to do that today.

“The renewal of Mike’s contract will put an end of this discussion. As when he learned he would not be the team’s primary center fielder for the upcoming season, Mike will put the disappointment behind him and focus on helping the Angels reach their goal of winning the 2013 World Series.”

There’s important information in there. Notably, the Angels were well within their rights to do this. Pre-arbitration contracts are entirely up to the teams, so the players and the players’ agents have no leverage. I shouldn’t say they have no leverage — they can threaten to make things messy in the future, I suppose — but they don’t have much leverage. The teams, by and large, can do as they please.

Trout, publicly, has shrugged this off and said all the right things, like he always has. Over recent history, Rookies of the Year have, on average, gotten bigger raises than Trout just did, by quite a bit. Yet we’re still talking about six-figure deals, so none of them truly struck it rich. It’s interesting that Trout’s agent notes disappointment over playing the corner outfield; that didn’t slip into the statement by accident, as Trout’s agent wants people to know that his client is making some sacrifices. He wants people to know his client is dedicated to the Angels, even as people question the Angels’ dedication to Mike Trout.

There are a couple issues here. One, people aren’t likely to see this contract renewal as being fair. Some people will reach a conclusion just looking at Trout’s salary and Vernon Wells‘ salary. No pre-arbitration contract is fair, at least when compared to post-arbitration contracts. Even doubling Trout’s salary would’ve left him shy of $1 million. Things are different with these contracts.

The bigger issue is this raises concern over bitterness. Critics don’t understand why the Angels would risk disappointing their greatest player when they could’ve easily chipped in a little more cash without breaking a sweat. It’s not unlike what people say when a team takes a player to arbitration — things can get ugly in there. Why allow things to get ugly when you’re talking about such insignificant differences most of the time? Why wouldn’t the Angels give Trout a few extra hundred thousand dollars, just to make sure things didn’t get to where things have gotten now?

From the outside, I don’t get it. I don’t get why the Angels would settle on $510,000 instead of $610,000 or $710,000 or $810,000. The money means almost nothing to them, and they don’t have to worry about setting a precedent, because Mike Trout was unprecedented. The upside here is somewhat insignificant savings. The downside involves the future of Mike Trout as an Angel. Yet, from the outside, I don’t know what took place on the inside, and it’s not like the Angels wouldn’t have considered the downsides before renewing the contract at these terms. The Angels chose this number for a reason, they gave Trout a minimal raise for a reason, and we don’t know what those reasons might be. Those people aren’t idiots.

But this is now at least partially playing out in public. If nothing else, this isn’t good for PR, as people are going to see the Angels as uncharacteristically pinching pennies. This reflects somewhat poorly on the front office, and I’m reminded of Torii Hunter saying he felt misled by the Angels when they said they didn’t have much money shortly before they signed Josh Hamilton to a mega-contract. It’s possible the Angels’ front office needs to work on its tact.

You Aren't a FanGraphs Member
It looks like you aren't yet a FanGraphs Member (or aren't logged in). We aren't mad, just disappointed.
We get it. You want to read this article. But before we let you get back to it, we'd like to point out a few of the good reasons why you should become a Member.
1. Ad Free viewing! We won't bug you with this ad, or any other.
2. Unlimited articles! Non-Members only get to read 10 free articles a month. Members never get cut off.
3. Dark mode and Classic mode!
4. Custom player page dashboards! Choose the player cards you want, in the order you want them.
5. One-click data exports! Export our projections and leaderboards for your personal projects.
6. Remove the photos on the home page! (Honestly, this doesn't sound so great to us, but some people wanted it, and we like to give our Members what they want.)
7. Even more Steamer projections! We have handedness, percentile, and context neutral projections available for Members only.
8. Get FanGraphs Walk-Off, a customized year end review! Find out exactly how you used FanGraphs this year, and how that compares to other Members. Don't be a victim of FOMO.
9. A weekly mailbag column, exclusively for Members.
10. Help support FanGraphs and our entire staff! Our Members provide us with critical resources to improve the site and deliver new features!
We hope you'll consider a Membership today, for yourself or as a gift! And we realize this has been an awfully long sales pitch, so we've also removed all the other ads in this article. We didn't want to overdo it.

But, okay, let’s talk about the downside. Right now, Mike Trout is going to be underpaid. Trout was always going to be underpaid in 2013, and 2014, and 2015 and so on, but he probably should be making more than he will. Maybe this’ll motivate him. Maybe he doesn’t need any extra motivation, since he’s a pretty motivated player.

Given who Mike Trout is as a player, the general message of the argument is “why wouldn’t the Angels just do whatever they can to keep Mike Trout happy?” It certainly wouldn’t be in the Angels’ best interests to piss Mike Trout off, but it’s worth considering where this falls on the scale:

(1) The Angels don’t provide Mike Trout’s preferred flavor of Vitamin Water in the clubhouse after games. Why wouldn’t the Angels just do whatever they can to keep Mike Trout happy?

(2) The Angels told Mike Trout they can’t stand his style of play and they took down all the posters of him around the stadium and whenever he comes up to the plate the scoreboard has his name misspelled and the front office floats dark rumors about Trout’s personal life away from the ballpark. Why wouldn’t the Angels just do whatever they can to keep Mike Trout happy?

One means almost nothing with regard to the future relationship between Trout and the Angels. At the other end of the scale, things are damaged to the point where there might well not be a future relationship between Trout and the Angels. Is the current matter something significant, or something far less significant?

We don’t know what’s actually going on within Trout’s head, of course. Most players in or around his position are given bigger raises. Many of the other players are Marlins. Prince Fielder wasn’t happy one year when he had his contract renewed by the Brewers. He got a far bigger raise than Trout just did, after an inferior season. Fielder isn’t a Brewer anymore. But then, Fielder’s agent is Scott Boras, and Fielder and the Brewers did agree to one multi-year contract that bought out a couple years of arbitration eligibility.

I think it’s worth considering the case of Jered Weaver. Weaver’s also represented by Boras, and when Weaver was drafted by the Angels, negotiations went poorly for quite some time. Eventually, Weaver signed, and he was outstanding in the majors in 2006. In 2007, his contract was renewed for just barely over the league minimum. That didn’t stop Weaver from eventually signing a long-term contract extension with the Angels for less than he probably deserved. Weaver gave the Angels a clear hometown discount, despite how things had gone years before. Any awkward or difficult negotiations had long been forgotten.

How it was with Weaver might not be how it is with Trout, because Weaver’s a local boy, after all. But the Angels are going to surround Trout with a quality, contending roster, and the Angels clearly aren’t opposed to spending. At some point, the Angels are going to engage Trout’s representation in long-term contract extension talks. Trout will not be exposed to the free-agent market. He doesn’t stand to become a free agent until after the 2017 season.

A perceived slight now is unlikely to affect negotiations down the road. Trout’s agent will be concerned with trying to land a fair deal, and though the agent could conceivably threaten to allow Trout to proceed to free agency, that wouldn’t come without its risk, as Trout could get hurt or under-perform. The Angels would be offering security, and of course those talks would throw around figures that blow Trout’s current salary figures out of the water. A matter of a few hundred thousand dollars now probably isn’t going to meaningfully change talks about tens of millions of dollars, or even hundreds of millions of dollars in time. What Trout and his agent will want is a fair deal. Even if Trout had gotten a bigger raise now, they’d still want that same fair deal. They’ll negotiate with the Angels until or unless such a fair deal is agreed to.

The downside here is that, later on, Trout might be slightly less willing to re-sign with the Angels. But he won’t be a free agent, so if the Angels offer acceptable terms, Trout will take them. Trout wouldn’t settle for lower terms just because the Angels gave him a bigger raise in his second season. As we’ve learned from the Jered Weaver example, this will in no way prevent Trout and the Angels from falling in love with one another. This is most probably just a minor thing that won’t affect Trout’s gameplay or mindset. Trout’s agent is free to express his disapproval, but when the Angels come calling and start talking about eight or nine or ten years, Trout’s agent is Trout’s agent, and his responsibility is to get Trout a fair contract. There won’t be a lot of room for emotion, if by that point anyone is in any way still emotional.

This is a blip. A perplexing blip, to be sure — this all could’ve been avoided entirely with a handful of extra cash — but any negative sentiment is likely to be fleeting, ephemeral. The Angels know what Mike Trout means to them, and the Angels will have plenty of opportunities to show Trout just how highly he’s valued. When it comes time to talk long-term contract, what’s going to matter isn’t Mike Trout’s year-two salary. What’s going to matter is Mike Trout, and the Angels and Trout’s agent both know that Mike Trout is amazing.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

107 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Jonathan
13 years ago

I have little sympathy. He already got his $1MM+ signing bonus and he’ll make untold millions in arbitration and (Eventually) free agency.

It’s not like Trout’s agent would be clamoring to give a bunch of money back in the interest of “fairness” should Trout become a quadruple amputee twenty minutes after signing a $300MM deal five years from now.

I’m not going to cast aspersions on Trout as who knows how much the agent really speaks for him. His agent, though, can go eat a whole bag of something unpleasant.

Matt BertelliMember since 2016
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

I don’t have much sympathy either but at the same time what if he became a “quadruple amputee” after this season. We can’t assume he is going to make hundreds of millions of dollars just yet because their is always the risk of a devastating injury that keeps him away from ever playing baseball again (probably will still have all his limbs still). Those chances are small but at this point he is just a young player with a million dollars in his pocket and the hopes of being set for life. He doesn’t have superstar set for life money yet. It can’t hurt for him to ask more more now.

Also that extra 100K or 200K more is going to mean a lot more to him now then it will after he has made his millions. That is the thinking that because of that when he signs a long term deal he may be willing to take a million less in the final year of a long term deal. However that is certainly not guaranteed.

Finally how would a higher pre arb salary effect his first arb case. If he goes into Arb with a 1.5 million dollar base salary instead of 500,000 would that effect how much he makes in his first arbitration case? I don’t know how that would work.

Tom B
13 years ago
Reply to  Matt Bertelli

I’m sure he was offered an extension that Trout and his agent shot down.

They want money for free with no commitment.

This must be the dumbest agent in baseball if he thought this was going to work in his favor. If I was Trout I would have fired this man already.

Jason B
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

“I’m sure he was offered an extension that Trout and his agent shot down.

They want money for free with no commitment.”

What is any of this based on, besides wild guesses colored with envy?

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Matt Bertelli

“I don’t have much sympathy either but at the same time what if he became a “quadruple amputee” after this season.”

That still leaves him with the roughly $2.25MM he’ll have made between last year and his signing bonus. That’s a whole heck of a lot more than most people will see in their lifetime, much less most quadruple amputees.

SprayingMantis
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Most people aren’t arguably the best in the world at their job, with their job happening to be one in an industry where people will pay to watch them work.

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Genetic lottery. I continue to lack sympathy.

Matthias
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

You probably didn’t have to jump straight to quadruple…

Antonio bananas
13 years ago
Reply to  Matthias

Actually he did, a single amputee, Trout is still an all star, double and he’s still a starter, triple he’s still a bench player. Quadruple amputee and the best Trout would be is a quadruple A player. The story isn’t as impactful unless he’s not in the bigs.

Jonathan
13 years ago

True story, I did have to consider that he would’ve been more productive than any of my team’s corner OF last year with any appendages still attached.

Hurtlockertwo
13 years ago

Maybe the agent should not take his cut since his client is getting screwed so badly??

tbonemacd
13 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlockertwo

That was my thought when I read the agent’s remarks. I think Trout is more likely to dump his agent than the Angels.

Jason B
13 years ago
Reply to  tbonemacd

The agent (whether good, bad, or somewhere in between) doesn’t have any input or affect on a pre-arb contract. None whatsoever. From the article:

“the Angels were well within their rights to do this. Pre-arbitration contracts are entirely up to the teams, so the players and the players’ agents have no leverage.”

Try again.

YanksFanInBeantown
13 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Dude, you completely misunderstood his point.

He was saying that the agent making a big stink of it is because his (the agent’s) cut is smaller than it would be otherwise.

The agent taking it public makes Trout look bad, so Trout might dump the agent because he’s clearly more interested in securing his cut than in helping Trout.

SprayingMantis
13 years ago
Reply to  tbonemacd

Unless the agent is taking the bullet and raising the issue on Trout’s behalf to shade him from the fallout. Which is kind of what agents are for in a way.

Kevin
13 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlockertwo

Moral of the story: Hire Scott Boras. Boras delivers for his clients, no matter how absurd the contract terms. (I’m a Tigers fan, and I’m a Fielder fan, but that contract will be painful in a few years)

Just look at what Boras has gotten done over the years. He wouldn’t let Trout get a raw deal. 🙂

Kyle Lohse
13 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Yep, Scotty always delivers for his clients. ALWAYS!!

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Trout would own the entire Western seaboard, Lex Luthor style, if Boras were his agent.

Monroe
13 years ago

Quite possibly the biggest nothing of a controversy all winter. The agent should shut his yap.

MikeS
13 years ago

I asked only that the Angels compensate Mike fairly for his historic 2012 season

So he wants $50,000,000?

Preston
13 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

If the Angels really wanted to ingratiate themselves with Mike Trout (and they should) they could have at least made sure that his raise was more than any of the other pre-arb players.

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Preston

It’s naive to think that giving him any extra money now is going to do anything to keep Trout from seeking every last dollar he can later.

Either the Angels will offer him the most money and he will stay or someone else will offer him the most money and he will leave. The amount of money the Angels paid him in his second season is not going to change that very basic equation.

Preston
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Absolutely, once he hits FA he will choose the highest bidder (with a few exceptions). But Mike Trout will most certainly be offered a long term deal several times before he gets to FA. Whether or not he’s willing to accept one of those offers, which will be far below what he could command as a FA, will have a lot to do with how he likes the Angels. We know that Scott Boras always wants his clients to hit FA and wait in the off-season to sign. Some guys like Mark Teixeira and Prince Fielder go all in on the Boras plan. Some guys like Jered Weaver, disregard the Boras plan and ink an extension. So if the Angels want Mike Trout to give up the chance of the open market and ink an extension early. Giving him a gracious raise now, might be a step in the right direction.

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Who’s to say that didn’t already happen?

As someone else indicated below, Trout’s got to offer the Angels an incentive. The rules of the game dictate they have to pay him a relative pittance. As such, they paid him a relative pittance. The ball is in the court of Trout’s agent to give the Angels reason to up their money.

Preston
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

The Angels have all the leverage right now. I know that I would particularly remember how I was dealt with in a situation in which my employer had all the leverage when the tables were turned. Albert Pujols and Derek Jeter both had historic rookie years and their teams tripled their salaries despite no incentive to do so. They did it just because they thought it was the right thing to do. That would also resonate loudly with me when the tables were turned.

TKDC
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Was Jeter’s rookie year really “historic”?

Sparkles Peterson
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Absolutely. It would be nearly twelve months before another rookie shortstop matched (And in fact far, far surpassed) Jeter’s rookie season.

stretchfest
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Yea Albert got a nice raise. And look how much loyalty he has to STL.

YanksFanInBeantown
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Yeah Steroids!

I mean…Yeah Nomar!

Ivdown
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Albert took a 7 year 100 mill deal to stay with the Cards through 10 or 11 seasons total (can’t remember right now). Not chump change, but he was worth tons more, even at that point. He didn’t make sure not to sign any extensions and then jump ship after arbitration.

David
13 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

LeBron only asks that the NBA compensate him fairly for his historic 1984 being born…

Nick C
13 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

Exactly. Still, they could have kicked him enough money for a Ferrari or something. A couple hundred grand won’t hurt their case a lot in the future, but it might keep the kid a bit happier.

Ferga
13 years ago

How would a raise not set a precedence? Anyone who has children knows that once you give one something you have to give it to the other, and that is what agents and players will act like in a case like this.

The Angels have a clear system that everyone already knew about, that pays young players solely based off service time. It should be a non-issue, but media needs stories these days.

If you give Trout $1 million. The Trumbo and his agent say, wow he deserves $800,000 then…the Bourjos says, hey I deserve $750,000 and so on. Before you know it, over a few years the Angels add an additional $10,000,000 to payroll and come closer to the luxury tax for no reason what so ever.

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Ferga

“Anyone who has children knows that once you give one something you have to give it to the other, and that is what agents and players will act like in a case like this.”

Complete malarkey. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to call my mom to complain about all the times my little brother got more cereal than I did.

Jason B
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Jonathan is totally correct. If you’re worried about being outwitted by your 7-year-old and 3-year-old, then maybe childbearing isn’t for you.

Tom B
13 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

It’s very clear neither of you deal with children on a regular basis.

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

I think something got miscommunicated here, I was siding with Ferga. I was the middle child with all of us relatively close in age. If one kid gets something, all the kids want the exact same thing or better and that’s something most people never grow out of.

Hell, that’s pretty much the American dream in a nutshell “Life, liberty and at least as much cereal as my little brother got. Don’t think I’m above weighing it the bowl.”

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

And, for the record, I have a kid. One kid, no more. Because I am not prepared to deal with that kind of garbage.

Anon21
13 years ago
Reply to  Ferga

How would a raise not set a precedence?

precedent

Matthew Murphy
13 years ago
Reply to  Ferga

The raise WOULD set a precedent. That precedent, however, would be that if you’re a pre-arb player who finishes top-3 in MVP voting after having a historic year, you get rewarded with a couple hundred thousand dollars more than the team is required to give you.

vivalajeter
13 years ago
Reply to  Matthew Murphy

Why would a team want to set a precedent that increases player salaries?

ssj316
13 years ago
Reply to  Matthew Murphy

That’s not really how it works. Ideally, yes, the raise would set the precedent you just described, but if you look at baseball contracts, the evidence is that that simply is not how players define “precedent.”

For example, when Albert Pujols hit FA, people were making the argument that “If A-Rod got 25-30 mil a year over 10 years, Albert should get at least that much.” It didn’t matter that the A-Rod’s salary is a gross overpay, and he clearly shouldn’t have gotten 25-30 mil a year over 10 years. Once you raise the numbers, it set a whole new precedent, regardless of whether it was deserved.

Or, to use a simpler example, say the Angels gave Trout $1 mil and then he TANKS this year. His salary for 2014 would still START at $1 mil. The reason why you don’t reward pre-FA players with huge raises is because you can’t LOWER them if they don’t perform. That’s why a player in his second year of arbitration gets more money than his first year, even if he spent the entire year sucking it up.

Preston
13 years ago

I know Trout got a fairly big bonus (1.25MM) but if he’s smart he hasn’t spent much of it. Minor League salaries aren’t nothing, but considering the lifestyle and travel I doubt he saved a significant amount. If you were living in a different city than I would agree that the extra money doesn’t matter, you already make enough to live like a king. But LA is expensive and a baseball players lifestyle is expensive. The difference between 510k and 610k could be significant. Especially if he doesn’t want to dig into his bonus money (or if he already spent it). I think this is quite a bit bigger than having his favorite vitamin water. Especially since he’s going to have to sit in a dugout next to Vernon Wells all year who will be pulling in a cool 21MM just to sit there.

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Preston

I’m reasonably sure I could live on $500K a year in LA. Wait another two years until he hits arbitration to buy the 20 bedroom Long Beach mansion.

Preston
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

I’m not saying he can’t live. I’m also saying he can’t live comfortably. He’ll live better than I ever will probably. My point is that 510k in LA isn’t the amount that you couldn’t notice a significant difference in lifestyle with an extra 100k. This of course only applies if he’s living within his means. I’m sure he can get a loan to get whatever he wants.

Preston
13 years ago
Reply to  Preston

“I’m also *NOT* saying he can’t live comfortably”

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Preston

I live in the metro Boston area, one of the highest cost of living areas in the country. I live comfortably on a fraction of what he’s getting, and I have a family to consider.

Would a maybe 20% raise help? Oh yes, it would. But would my boss give it to me? Not if they could get away with not doing it (Which they can, so they don’t).

Hurtlockertwo
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

I’m thinking $41.6k a month gives some very nice comfort. A $10k month mortgage gets you a million+ dollar home and 75% of your money to spend on X-Box and sugery breakfast cereal.

Baltar
13 years ago
Reply to  Preston

This is a picky point, but it is a pet peeve of mine The Angels play in Anaheim and presumably fly out of SNA airport in Newport Beach. Trout might choose to live in LA, but it would be an odd choice.

StlFan
13 years ago

Fascinating how public opinion seems to be breaking on this. The Angels just signed a 20 year, $3 billion TV contract and over 3,000,000 fans come to the park every year paying $10 for a beer and $8 for a hot dog. Why do they do this? The primary reason IS TO WATCH MIKE TROUT. Every dollar that Mike Trout doesn’t get goes to the owner, who is one of the richest people on the planet.

Does the plight of Mike Trout merit sympathy? Probably not, given all the horrors of the world, but I do think Mike Trout, player, is about a 1,000 times better at his job than Arte Moreno, owner, is at his.

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  StlFan

“Every dollar that Mike Trout doesn’t get goes to the owner, who is one of the richest people on the planet.”

Or to guys like Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton. You can’t field a team with just Mike Trout. He’ll get his money once he puts up more than one year of elite performance.

StlFan
13 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Isn’t it more fair to pay people based on value created than a strict time scale that rewards Mike Trout and Melky Mesa the exact same way?

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  StlFan

Probably, but that’s not how the progression works. The only way to operate under something like that is to eliminate guaranteed contracts, something that will never happen.

Preston
13 years ago
Reply to  StlFan

It’s faulty thinking. The owners have successfully perpetuated the myth that player salaries are tied with passing the costs on to the fans. Market forces dictate costs to the fans. Player salaries only impact how much of that dollar goes to players or ownership.

StlFan
13 years ago
Reply to  Preston

I’m not saying elevated salaries cause things to be expensive. I’m saying Mike Trout is the greatest generator of entertainment value in the game of baseball.

Sparkles Peterson
13 years ago

$300k is a lot of money, to anyone. I really wish people would stop assuming that people or organizations that deal in 8 to 10 figure sums lose all perspective and think nothing of the losses of a few hundred thousand dollars. If you make a habit of throwing away $300k for no discernible benefit, you are not going to remain employed long, even if your job involves managing hundreds of millions of dollars.

StlFan
13 years ago

This organization recently spent $525,000,000 on four players who project to provide 10 wins above replacement in 2013.

Sparkles Peterson
13 years ago
Reply to  StlFan

Some of those moves were disastrous, some will be. That’s irrelevant to this discussion. Being wrong on that scale will quickly cost a GM his job. Even if throwing away $300k is a fraction of the folly of trading for Vernon Wells, it’s still significant. If $300k was irrelevant enough to throw at buying some vague notion of goodwill, why do so few teams take a $50k flier (Or a few) on rule 5 talent? Why do teams play hardball over four-figure bonuses after the first few rounds of the draft?

philosofool
13 years ago

Mike Trout isn’t making $5m this year because he didn’t approach the Angels about getting paid $5m this year. Okay, there are some circumstances in which the following conversation wouldn’t take place, but imagine this:
Trout’s Agent: Hi, Mike would like $5m next year.
Angels’ Front Office: Why would we do that?
TA: He says that he’s willing to sign away his first year of arbitration for $1m.
AFO: Seriously?
TA: Think of it as a front-loaded $6m/2-year deal, right?
AFO: We’ll fax a contract.

If Trout isn’t making $5m this year, it’s because he didn’t want his agent to have that conversation. I’m not sorry for him.

Homer S w/mustache
13 years ago

Weaver was from LA though, Trout is from a place nearly equidistant from NY, PHI, BAL and DC the teams with the most money this side of the LAD with money to spend in 2018-19

x
13 years ago

South Jersey is significantly closer to Philly than the rest. That being said, you’re absolutely right- his home area is pretty close to any of the Phils/Mets/Yankees/Nats/Orioles, and not terribly far from Boston. That’s a loooooooot of money close to home.

Jonathan
13 years ago

I would like one relative pittance, please.

gnomez
13 years ago

Albert Pujols is actually the best comp here – after his ROTY campaign in 2001, the Cardinals triple his salary from the league minimum of 200k to 600k.

JayTeam
13 years ago
Reply to  gnomez

One more reason the Cardinals are considered the best run organization in MLB and the Angels are not.

Tom B
13 years ago
Reply to  JayTeam

It really worked out for them in StLouis, all that loyalty they bought with that early contract really showed when he signed with LA.

hoser
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

In 2011, Pujols completed an 8 year 111m contract with the Cardinals that has to be seen as a great deal for the Cardinals. Albert compiled ~64 WAR at <2m/WAR, less than half the going rate for free agents. That contract was signed after Pujols received that rookie bonus. I think it has turned out much better for the Cards than the most recent contract with the Angels will for the Angels.

KG
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

Actually, yes. You forgot his extension, at a WAY BELOW MARKET rate – 7 yrs, $106 million or so IIRC. That’s a lot of loyalty, as he way outproduced that in his time in St. Louis. Such a short-term memory…

cardsfan67
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

It really worked out for them because they got close to 10 yrs of peak below market and now the Halos are over paying for those HOF #s he will not come close to matching with them.

Tom B
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

I don’t remember that being a “team friendly” contract. Was it really below market value in 2004 while still under arbitration? I don’t remember him turning down more money from another team to stay in STL.

YanksFanInBeantown
13 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

@Tom B, it was after A-Rod, Jeter, Griffey and Manny’s mega-contracts, so he definitely signed below market value.

And he didn’t turn down any other teams’ offers because he signed an extension with the Cardinals before reaching FA. It was basically the second Longoria deal.

David
13 years ago

I thought Angels would make a better effort to assuage Trout, since he appears to be generational talent. Trout will definitely seek the highest dollar amount when he hits free agency, but wouldn’t the Angels make every effort to lock him up long term to ensure he doesn’t hit the open market in his prime? If Trout is able to maintain some semblance of his trajectory, wouldn’t he hold this against the team, resisting a hometown discount like Weaver gave them and insisting on full-fledged free agency? There’s a richer team up the freeway who’ll need a CF when Kemp eventually moves to a corner spot.

Travis
13 years ago

Ryan Howard made $900k pre-arbitration in 2007 after his MVP season. So that’s a precedent and they ignored it. It also shows that giving Trout this contract wasn’t something every team would have done. Nothing saying whatever they gave Trout wouldn’t also be a precedent that everyone would ignore if they felt like it in the future.

rbt
13 years ago
Reply to  Travis

Trout didn’t win MVP, so Howard is not a precedent.

DaveP
13 years ago

Is it too early to start dreaming of Trout signing with the phillies?

Preston
13 years ago
Reply to  DaveP

Every fan of every team with the ability to have a payroll north of 100MM is wondering the same thing. I think the answer is dream away.

Nick C
13 years ago
Reply to  DaveP

You spelled Yankees wrong.

YanksFanInBeantown
13 years ago
Reply to  Nick C

Trout was a Phillies fan growing up.

Harper, now. He’s going to be interesting.

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  Nick C

Don’t correct peoples’ spelling if you can’t spell Dodgers either. It’s a huge social faux pas.

bballislife17
13 years ago
Reply to  DaveP

Trout better keep hitting HRs because RAJ isn’t going to pay for speed or defense.

x
13 years ago
Reply to  bballislife17

Do you really think RAJ still has a job at that point?

Ppabich
13 years ago

Who’s to say that the Angels aren’t already in long term discussions with Trout? This could just be a blip in negotiations between the two. Who knows.

scatterbrian
13 years ago

Trumbo had 1.027 years of service, and went from $414,000 in 2011 to $500,000 in 2012 (+$86K), then $540,000 in 2013 (+$40K).

Trout has 1.070 years of service, and goes from $482,500 in 2012 to $510,000 in 2013 (+$27.5K).

Nonsense, I tells ya.

rbt
13 years ago
Reply to  scatterbrian

Trumbo’s raise is distorted by the large increase in the major league minimum between 2011 and 2012. He, like Trout, made $20,000 over minimum in his second year, as is Angels policy.

Matt BertelliMember since 2016
13 years ago
Reply to  rbt

Okay that makes more sense now, thanks.

Matt BertelliMember since 2016
13 years ago
Reply to  scatterbrian

But Trumbo had more homeruns his first year then Trout

Haha but seriously that is rediculous. You would think they would atleast give him a 100k bump or something if Trumbo got an 86k.

Jtorrey13
13 years ago

As a fan and a troll, I would love to see the Cardinals sign Trout to a 10-year deal when he reaches free agency. The Angels can have Pujols for 4 more years as he continues to decline from 39-42 and the Cardinals can have Trout for his 26-35 years of playing. Yes, there will be some declining years for Trout, but there are a lot of good prime years as well.

Of course, that’s assuming Trout is close to Pujols (or Arod) in continued excellence in his 20s.

Jason B
13 years ago
Reply to  Jtorrey13

“As a fan and a troll”

I love that opening statement. Probably 93% of the comments ’round here should start that way. It’s like an introduction at AA, except for baseball dorks like ourselves.

Me
13 years ago

“The renewal of Mike’s contract will put an end of this discussion. As when he learned he would not be the team’s primary center fielder for the upcoming season, Mike will put the disappointment behind him and focus on helping the Angels reach their goal of winning the 2013 World Series.”

It’s obvious that they did this because switching positions in the offseason for star players shows leadership and grittiness and earns MVP votes.

Givejonadollar
13 years ago

Trout had an incredible season, but looking at his minor league numbers beforehand, hasn’t convinced me that it might not be a fluke.

Smarter people would maybe lock him up, but at the same time, it shouldn’t hurt for the Angels to wait and see if Trout can do it again in 2013. We have all seen many sophomore slumps.

Nivra
13 years ago

The Giants did reward Posey.

$575k his first year, and $615k his second season, then super-2 and $8M for this year.

shadysteel
13 years ago

Mike Trout was born and raised in a suburb of Philadelphia. If he is electing to go anywhere when he is a free agent after 2017 it will be in Philadelphia.

YanksFanInBeantown
13 years ago
Reply to  shadysteel

Or, you know, the team that offers him the most money…

Antonio bananas
13 years ago
Reply to  shadysteel

Really? What if the Phillies still haven’t build a farm or a young foundation and the Nats have just won their 3rd straight title and inked Harper to an extension and are offering him more than Philly?

YanksFanInBeantown
13 years ago

Hahahaha

“inked Harper to an extension”

Hahahaha

Dickishness aside, there’s no way Harper doesn’t make it to free agency. That kid wants to beat A-Rod’s contract, and he’s going to.

Jason B
13 years ago

“That kid wants to beat A-Rod’s contract, and he’s going to.”

I will take the under. Not that Harper doesn’t have a chance to be very special, but there’s a whole lot more room on the other side of that bell curve than on the very tip out at the far, far right.

Lots of things could derail that plan – regression, or progressing slower than expected, or catastrophic injury, or nagging injuries (which has a decidedly non-zero chance of happening, particularly with someone who plays all-out, all the time)

YanksFanInBeantown
13 years ago

Still, though. Look at the other players who had similar age 19 seasons. The only ones who didn’t outperform A-Rod through their first 6 seasons are Sherry Magee, who was a speed and gap power player, Cesar Cedeno, who had an awful sophomore slump but was otherwise pretty much Mike Trout with worse defense (by TZ) and no UBR score, and Tony C, who, post-1967, obviously a poor comp to anyone not named Juan Encarnacion.

Just looking at historical precedents, it will be unlikely if Harper doesn’t outproduce A-Rod through his first 6 seasons.

(Obviously this methodology is pretty flawed, but I thought it was interesting to note)

Jonathan
13 years ago
Reply to  shadysteel

Last I heard, Adrian Gonzalez is still a Padres fan. Don’t see him playing for them any time soon, though.

Doctor J
13 years ago
Reply to  shadysteel

That will have absolutely zero impact on his decision. I guess for Phillies fans that is something to hold on to.

Schuxu
13 years ago

Should this whole subject not focus much more on the rules that allow such kind of behaviour?

FatMikeTrout
13 years ago

The angles told me they wouldn’t give me more money unless I promised to give up in n out burgers and golden corral runs with my new best pal Miggy. Like my momma said if you can’t beat em join em

shadysteel
13 years ago

Yea but Jonathan the Padres stink and don’t have the money to retain their own players. The Phils had the most talent in the minors 19 and under last year and their big money TV deal will be coming up in 2016. Just in time to spend away on the prodigal son after the 2017 season. I know it’s wishful thinking but the Angels are not helping themselves at all with this move.

YanksFanInBeantown
13 years ago
Reply to  shadysteel

Most talent=/=best prospects

All of those guys are extraordinarily talented athletes, but they really aren’t good at playing baseball yet. They could be anything from Greg Golson to Anthony Gose to Dominic Brown by the time we know what they are.

dc
13 years ago

he’ll be overpaid one day.

i’m sure vernon wells was underpaid once upon a time. this is the structure of baseball. teams invest money in drafting and development to exploit cheap labour, in exchange, players get overpaid in free agency after 6 years.

its been like this for some time, not sure why its an issue because of trout.

SprayingMantis
13 years ago

Sooooo every player that signed a big free agent contract signed it with his favorite team? Is that actually being even somewhat suggested in these comments?

YanksFanInBeantown
13 years ago
Reply to  SprayingMantis

I think it’s more that the Phillies will have the money to give him a giant free agent contract and that, all else being equal, he would probably prefer to play for his hometown team.

Jonathan
13 years ago

“I think it’s more that the Phillies will have the money to give him a giant free agent contract and that, all else being equal, he would probably prefer to play for his hometown team.”

Didn’t the Orioles end up offering Teixeira the most money in the end?

With the way Ruben Amaro is running the Phillies, they may not be so attractive of a destination when Trout hits free agency.