Mike Trout and the Greatest Decades of All Time
We tend to think of decades in two ways. The first is to classify a set of years with the same number in the tens column i.e. 80s, 90s, etc. This makes for very easy groupings when looking at the best what-have-you of a decade, or an all-decade team, but it can also be fairly restrictive. Just because 1961 and 1969 are both in the 60s, doesn’t really make them the same; we certainly hope that 2029 looks both much different and better than 2020 is shaping up to be. This manner of grouping arbitrarily chooses endpoints. But there is another way to look at a decade, and that’s to see it as any 10-year period. It’s much less restrictive and provides for more comparisons, particularly when it comes to baseball players, who tend to have relatively short primes that overlap different decades.
That was a relatively long-winded way to lead into what I’ve done, which is to look at a rolling 10-year position player leaderboard for every year since 1909. It should come as no surprise that Mike Trout’s 74.3 WAR leads the 10-year period from 2010 to 2019. He also leads the period from 2009 to 2018 and from 2008 to 2017. Since he didn’t play in 2010 and only accumulated 0.7 WAR in 2011, he’s almost guaranteed to lead the periods ending from 2020 to 2022 as well. For reference, the only players since the 10-year period ending in 1909 to be 10-year WAR leaders in six separate seasons are Honus Wagner, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Stan Musial, Willie Mays, Mike Schmidt, and Barry Bonds. Only 24 players have topped the 10-year WAR leaderboard even once in the last 111 seasons. Here are those players:
| Player | Years as 10-YR WAR Leader |
|---|---|
| Barry Bonds | 13 |
| Babe Ruth | 10 |
| Willie Mays | 9 |
| Mike Schmidt | 8 |
| Stan Musial | 8 |
| Ty Cobb | 6 |
| Honus Wagner | 6 |
| Albert Pujols | 5 |
| Joe Morgan | 5 |
| Rickey Henderson | 4 |
| Mickey Mantle | 4 |
| Ted Williams | 4 |
| Mel Ott | 4 |
| Lou Gehrig | 4 |
| Mike Trout | 3 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 3 |
| Hank Aaron | 3 |
| Jimmie Foxx | 3 |
| Tris Speaker | 3 |
| Miguel Cabrera | 2 |
| Wade Boggs | 1 |
| Carl Yastrzemski | 1 |
| Joe DiMaggio | 1 |
| Rogers Hornsby | 1 |
If Trout is even halfway decent over the next few years, he’ll end up in the top-five of that list with the potential to hit double-digits. This is what the top-three for position players has looked like over the last 10 years:
| Yr End | 1st | WAR | 2nd | WAR | 3rd | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | Mike Trout | 73 | Buster Posey | 53 | Joey Votto | 48 |
| 2018 | Mike Trout | 65 | Joey Votto | 52 | Buster Posey | 51 |
| 2017 | Mike Trout | 55 | Joey Votto | 52 | Miguel Cabrera | 51 |
| 2016 | Miguel Cabrera | 56 | Russell Martin | 48 | Mike Trout | 48 |
| 2015 | Miguel Cabrera | 57 | Albert Pujols | 52 | Chase Utley | 51 |
| 2014 | Albert Pujols | 58 | Miguel Cabrera | 58 | Chase Utley | 58 |
| 2013 | Albert Pujols | 63 | Chase Utley | 55 | Miguel Cabrera | 55 |
| 2012 | Albert Pujols | 72 | Alex Rodriguez | 59 | Chase Utley | 52 |
| 2011 | Albert Pujols | 74 | Alex Rodriguez | 66 | Chase Utley | 49 |
| 2010 | Albert Pujols | 77 | Alex Rodriguez | 70 | Barry Bonds | 54 |
If you are wondering where Trout’s 73 WAR ranks historically, it’s 101th, though if Trout were to have standard Trout seasons in 2020 and 2021, he could get into the top 10 and potentially have the best 10-year period in history since Babe Ruth. Here are the very best decades in history:
| Player | Yr Start | Yr End | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|
| Babe Ruth | 1919 | 1928 | 109.6 |
| Babe Ruth | 1920 | 1929 | 108 |
| Babe Ruth | 1921 | 1930 | 105.2 |
| Babe Ruth | 1923 | 1932 | 104.3 |
| Babe Ruth | 1918 | 1927 | 104.2 |
| Babe Ruth | 1922 | 1931 | 102.1 |
| Rogers Hornsby | 1920 | 1929 | 97 |
| Babe Ruth | 1924 | 1933 | 96.1 |
| Babe Ruth | 1917 | 1926 | 92.7 |
| Barry Bonds | 1995 | 2004 | 92.5 |
| Lou Gehrig | 1927 | 1936 | 92.5 |
| Rogers Hornsby | 1919 | 1928 | 92.3 |
| Willie Mays | 1957 | 1966 | 92.2 |
| Willie Mays | 1956 | 1965 | 90.7 |
| Honus Wagner | 1900 | 1909 | 90.4 |
| Honus Wagner | 1903 | 1912 | 90.1 |
Since World War II, only Willie Mays and Barry Bonds have averaged nine wins per season for an entire decade. The only other player in the last 75 years to hit 80 WAR in a 10-year period is Mickey Mantle. That’s a mark Trout would likely have gotten to this year with a full season’s worth of play, with an outside shot at topping Mays and Bonds with another Trout-like season in 2021. Even Trout’s 70 WAR puts him in pretty rare company. Below is the complete list of position players with 70-WAR decades:
| Player | 70-WAR Decades | 80-WAR Decades | 90-WAR Decades | 100-WAR Decades | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Babe Ruth | 13 | 11 | 8 | 6 | 109.6 |
| Rogers Hornsby | 9 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 97 |
| Barry Bonds | 13 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 92.5 |
| Lou Gehrig | 7 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 92.5 |
| Willie Mays | 10 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 92.2 |
| Honus Wagner | 7 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 90.4 |
| Ty Cobb | 8 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 88.2 |
| Mickey Mantle | 6 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 83.6 |
| Mike Schmidt | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 78.7 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 78.3 |
| Jimmie Foxx | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 77.7 |
| Albert Pujols | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 77.3 |
| Stan Musial | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 77.1 |
| Tris Speaker | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 76.4 |
| Hank Aaron | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 76.3 |
| Eddie Collins | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 76.2 |
| Mike Trout | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 73.4 |
| Mel Ott | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 72.5 |
| Nap Lajoie | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 72.2 |
| Eddie Matthews | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 71.4 |
| Rickey Henderson | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 70.2 |
| Ted Williams | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 70.1 |
Mike Trout is already guaranteed two more decades of at least 70 WAR, with an 80-WAR season a reasonable possibility. I should also note that Ted Williams hit his 70 WAR in 10 seasons from 1946-1955, but he also put together 67 WAR from 1939-1948 despite missing three years in that time due to World WAR II. Over the last 50 years only six players have bested Trout’s eight-year stretch over the course of a decade.
| Player | Yr Start | Yr End | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|
| Barry Bonds | 1995 | 2004 | 92.5 |
| Barry Bonds | 1993 | 2002 | 86.9 |
| Barry Bonds | 1994 | 2003 | 86.7 |
| Barry Bonds | 1996 | 2005 | 85.4 |
| Barry Bonds | 1989 | 1998 | 85.1 |
| Barry Bonds | 1992 | 2001 | 83.8 |
| Barry Bonds | 1988 | 1997 | 82 |
| Barry Bonds | 1990 | 1999 | 81.3 |
| Barry Bonds | 1997 | 2006 | 79.5 |
| Barry Bonds | 1991 | 2000 | 79.1 |
| Mike Schmidt | 1974 | 1983 | 78.7 |
| Barry Bonds | 1987 | 1996 | 78.4 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 1996 | 2005 | 78.3 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 1998 | 2007 | 78.2 |
| Albert Pujols | 2001 | 2010 | 77.3 |
| Willie Mays | 1961 | 1970 | 76.8 |
| Mike Schmidt | 1975 | 1984 | 76.4 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 1999 | 2008 | 76.2 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 2000 | 2009 | 75.5 |
| Willie Mays | 1962 | 1971 | 74.3 |
| Albert Pujols | 2002 | 2011 | 74 |
| Mike Schmidt | 1973 | 1982 | 73.9 |
| Hank Aaron | 1961 | 1970 | 73.9 |
| Barry Bonds | 1998 | 2007 | 73.8 |
| Mike Schmidt | 1976 | 1985 | 73.7 |
| Mike Trout* | 2010 | 2019 | 73.4 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 1997 | 2006 | 72.9 |
| Barry Bonds | 1986 | 1995 | 72.6 |
| Hank Aaron | 1962 | 1971 | 72.1 |
| Albert Pujols | 2003 | 2012 | 71.9 |
| Mike Schmidt | 1977 | 1986 | 71.2 |
| Albert Pujols | 2000 | 2009 | 70.6 |
| Rickey Henderson | 1981 | 1990 | 70.2 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 2001 | 2010 | 70 |
With a 5.5 WAR season in 2020, Trout would pass everyone on the list above except for Barry Bonds. There are a lot of ways to talk about just how good Mike Trout is as a baseball player, and this post is evidence that we haven’t run out of ways to show his brilliance on the diamond.
Lastly, for the sake of being a completist, here’s the top-three in WAR for every 10-year period going back to 1909:
| Yr End | 1st | WAR | 2nd | WAR | 3rd | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | Mike Trout | 73 | Buster Posey | 53 | Joey Votto | 48 |
| 2018 | Mike Trout | 65 | Joey Votto | 52 | Buster Posey | 51 |
| 2017 | Mike Trout | 55 | Joey Votto | 52 | Miguel Cabrera | 51 |
| 2016 | Miguel Cabrera | 56 | Russell Martin | 48 | Mike Trout | 48 |
| 2015 | Miguel Cabrera | 57 | Albert Pujols | 52 | Chase Utley | 51 |
| 2014 | Albert Pujols | 58 | Miguel Cabrera | 58 | Chase Utley | 58 |
| 2013 | Albert Pujols | 63 | Chase Utley | 55 | Miguel Cabrera | 55 |
| 2012 | Albert Pujols | 72 | Alex Rodriguez | 59 | Chase Utley | 52 |
| 2011 | Albert Pujols | 74 | Alex Rodriguez | 66 | Chase Utley | 49 |
| 2010 | Albert Pujols | 77 | Alex Rodriguez | 70 | Barry Bonds | 54 |
| 2009 | Alex Rodriguez | 76 | Albert Pujols | 71 | Barry Bonds | 62 |
| 2008 | Alex Rodriguez | 76 | Barry Bonds | 65 | Albert Pujols | 62 |
| 2007 | Alex Rodriguez | 78 | Barry Bonds | 74 | Andruw Jones | 61 |
| 2006 | Barry Bonds | 80 | Alex Rodriguez | 73 | Andruw Jones | 61 |
| 2005 | Barry Bonds | 85 | Alex Rodriguez | 78 | Andruw Jones | 55 |
| 2004 | Barry Bonds | 93 | Alex Rodriguez | 69 | Jeff Bagwell | 58 |
| 2003 | Barry Bonds | 87 | Jeff Bagwell | 62 | Alex Rodriguez | 62 |
| 2002 | Barry Bonds | 87 | Jeff Bagwell | 64 | Mike Piazza | 59 |
| 2001 | Barry Bonds | 84 | Jeff Bagwell | 64 | Ken Griffey Jr. | 61 |
| 2000 | Barry Bonds | 79 | Ken Griffey Jr. | 66 | Jeff Bagwell | 63 |
| 1999 | Barry Bonds | 81 | Ken Griffey Jr. | 66 | Jeff Bagwell | 57 |
| 1998 | Barry Bonds | 85 | Ken Griffey Jr. | 64 | Frank Thomas | 52 |
| 1997 | Barry Bonds | 82 | Ken Griffey Jr. | 57 | Cal Ripken | 49 |
| 1996 | Barry Bonds | 78 | Wade Boggs | 51 | Cal Ripken | 51 |
| 1995 | Barry Bonds | 73 | Wade Boggs | 56 | Rickey Henderson | 55 |
| 1994 | Barry Bonds | 65 | Rickey Henderson | 62 | Wade Boggs | 61 |
| 1993 | Rickey Henderson | 65 | Wade Boggs | 63 | Cal Ripken | 61 |
| 1992 | Rickey Henderson | 67 | Wade Boggs | 67 | Cal Ripken | 65 |
| 1991 | Wade Boggs | 69 | Rickey Henderson | 67 | Cal Ripken | 66 |
| 1990 | Rickey Henderson | 70 | Wade Boggs | 63 | Cal Ripken | 55 |
| 1989 | Rickey Henderson | 68 | Wade Boggs | 60 | Mike Schmidt | 57 |
| 1988 | Mike Schmidt | 65 | Rickey Henderson | 59 | George Brett | 54 |
| 1987 | Mike Schmidt | 68 | Gary Carter | 55 | Rickey Henderson | 53 |
| 1986 | Mike Schmidt | 71 | Gary Carter | 59 | George Brett | 57 |
| 1985 | Mike Schmidt | 74 | George Brett | 60 | Gary Carter | 56 |
| 1984 | Mike Schmidt | 76 | George Brett | 57 | Gary Carter | 53 |
| 1983 | Mike Schmidt | 79 | George Brett | 55 | Joe Morgan | 54 |
| 1982 | Mike Schmidt | 74 | Joe Morgan | 60 | Rod Carew | 52 |
| 1981 | Mike Schmidt | 67 | Joe Morgan | 64 | Johnny Bench | 53 |
| 1980 | Joe Morgan | 67 | Mike Schmidt | 59 | Johnny Bench | 55 |
| 1979 | Joe Morgan | 66 | Johnny Bench | 60 | Graig Nettles | 53 |
| 1978 | Joe Morgan | 67 | Johnny Bench | 60 | Reggie Jackson | 55 |
| 1977 | Joe Morgan | 66 | Johnny Bench | 60 | Pete Rose | 57 |
| 1976 | Joe Morgan | 64 | Pete Rose | 57 | Carl Yastrzemski | 57 |
| 1975 | Carl Yastrzemski | 58 | Joe Morgan | 58 | Pete Rose | 53 |
| 1974 | Hank Aaron | 60 | Carl Yastrzemski | 60 | Pete Rose | 53 |
| 1973 | Hank Aaron | 65 | Ron Santo | 62 | Carl Yastrzemski | 61 |
| 1972 | Hank Aaron | 68 | Ron Santo | 66 | Willie Mays | 66 |
| 1971 | Willie Mays | 74 | Hank Aaron | 72 | Carl Yastrzemski | 64 |
| 1970 | Willie Mays | 77 | Hank Aaron | 74 | Frank Robinson | 61 |
| 1969 | Willie Mays | 80 | Hank Aaron | 76 | Frank Robinson | 63 |
| 1968 | Willie Mays | 85 | Hank Aaron | 76 | Frank Robinson | 61 |
| 1967 | Willie Mays | 88 | Hank Aaron | 76 | Frank Robinson | 61 |
| 1966 | Willie Mays | 92 | Hank Aaron | 76 | Mickey Mantle | 65 |
| 1965 | Willie Mays | 91 | Hank Aaron | 76 | Mickey Mantle | 73 |
| 1964 | Willie Mays | 89 | Mickey Mantle | 80 | Hank Aaron | 75 |
| 1963 | Willie Mays | 89 | Mickey Mantle | 81 | Eddie Mathews | 71 |
| 1962 | Mickey Mantle | 83 | Willie Mays | 79 | Eddie Mathews | 71 |
| 1961 | Mickey Mantle | 84 | Willie Mays | 70 | Eddie Mathews | 68 |
| 1960 | Mickey Mantle | 75 | Willie Mays | 65 | Eddie Mathews | 61 |
| 1959 | Mickey Mantle | 68 | Stan Musial | 59 | Willie Mays | 57 |
| 1958 | Stan Musial | 68 | Mickey Mantle | 61 | Ted Williams | 60 |
| 1957 | Stan Musial | 75 | Ted Williams | 64 | Duke Snider | 56 |
| 1956 | Stan Musial | 73 | Ted Williams | 64 | Jackie Robinson | 57 |
| 1955 | Stan Musial | 77 | Ted Williams | 70 | Jackie Robinson | 53 |
| 1954 | Stan Musial | 71 | Ted Williams | 63 | Jackie Robinson | 51 |
| 1953 | Stan Musial | 73 | Ted Williams | 55 | Jackie Robinson | 48 |
| 1952 | Stan Musial | 76 | Ted Williams | 52 | Lou Boudreau | 48 |
| 1951 | Stan Musial | 74 | Ted Williams | 64 | Lou Boudreau | 53 |
| 1950 | Ted Williams | 68 | Stan Musial | 66 | Lou Boudreau | 56 |
| 1949 | Ted Williams | 70 | Lou Boudreau | 61 | Stan Musial | 59 |
| 1948 | Ted Williams | 67 | Lou Boudreau | 58 | Joe Gordon | 50 |
| 1947 | Ted Williams | 59 | Joe DiMaggio | 48 | Lou Boudreau | 47 |
| 1946 | Joe DiMaggio | 53 | Mel Ott | 49 | Ted Williams | 48 |
| 1945 | Mel Ott | 58 | Joe DiMaggio | 53 | Bob Johnson | 45 |
| 1944 | Mel Ott | 61 | Arky Vaughan | 53 | Joe DiMaggio | 53 |
| 1943 | Mel Ott | 63 | Arky Vaughan | 60 | Jimmie Foxx | 54 |
| 1942 | Mel Ott | 66 | Jimmie Foxx | 64 | Arky Vaughan | 62 |
| 1941 | Jimmie Foxx | 75 | Mel Ott | 67 | Arky Vaughan | 63 |
| 1940 | Jimmie Foxx | 76 | Mel Ott | 68 | Lou Gehrig | 67 |
| 1939 | Jimmie Foxx | 77 | Lou Gehrig | 76 | Mel Ott | 70 |
| 1938 | Lou Gehrig | 84 | Jimmie Foxx | 78 | Mel Ott | 73 |
| 1937 | Lou Gehrig | 89 | Jimmie Foxx | 74 | Mel Ott | 68 |
| 1936 | Lou Gehrig | 93 | Babe Ruth | 74 | Jimmie Foxx | 71 |
| 1935 | Lou Gehrig | 90 | Babe Ruth | 86 | Jimmie Foxx | 64 |
| 1934 | Babe Ruth | 89 | Lou Gehrig | 84 | Al Simmons | 60 |
| 1933 | Babe Ruth | 96 | Lou Gehrig | 74 | Rogers Hornsby | 65 |
| 1932 | Babe Ruth | 104 | Rogers Hornsby | 71 | Lou Gehrig | 67 |
| 1931 | Babe Ruth | 102 | Rogers Hornsby | 82 | Lou Gehrig | 59 |
| 1930 | Babe Ruth | 105 | Rogers Hornsby | 88 | Frankie Frisch | 59 |
| 1929 | Babe Ruth | 108 | Rogers Hornsby | 97 | Frankie Frisch | 57 |
| 1928 | Babe Ruth | 110 | Rogers Hornsby | 92 | Tris Speaker | 55 |
| 1927 | Babe Ruth | 104 | Rogers Hornsby | 88 | Tris Speaker | 60 |
| 1926 | Babe Ruth | 93 | Rogers Hornsby | 88 | Tris Speaker | 65 |
| 1925 | Rogers Hornsby | 88 | Babe Ruth | 82 | Tris Speaker | 68 |
| 1924 | Babe Ruth | 79 | Rogers Hornsby | 77 | Ty Cobb | 68 |
| 1923 | Tris Speaker | 73 | Ty Cobb | 68 | Babe Ruth | 67 |
| 1922 | Tris Speaker | 73 | Ty Cobb | 70 | Eddie Collins | 63 |
| 1921 | Tris Speaker | 76 | Ty Cobb | 73 | Eddie Collins | 67 |
| 1920 | Ty Cobb | 77 | Tris Speaker | 76 | Eddie Collins | 70 |
| 1919 | Ty Cobb | 84 | Tris Speaker | 75 | Eddie Collins | 72 |
| 1918 | Ty Cobb | 88 | Eddie Collins | 76 | Tris Speaker | 76 |
| 1917 | Ty Cobb | 88 | Eddie Collins | 75 | Tris Speaker | 70 |
| 1916 | Ty Cobb | 84 | Eddie Collins | 70 | Honus Wagner | 67 |
| 1915 | Ty Cobb | 79 | Honus Wagner | 74 | Eddie Collins | 63 |
| 1914 | Honus Wagner | 79 | Ty Cobb | 69 | Eddie Collins | 54 |
| 1913 | Honus Wagner | 85 | Ty Cobb | 64 | Nap Lajoie | 62 |
| 1912 | Honus Wagner | 90 | Nap Lajoie | 65 | Ty Cobb | 56 |
| 1911 | Honus Wagner | 89 | Nap Lajoie | 66 | Ty Cobb | 47 |
| 1910 | Honus Wagner | 90 | Nap Lajoie | 72 | Bobby Wallace | 46 |
| 1909 | Honus Wagner | 90 | Nap Lajoie | 67 | Elmer Flick | 46 |
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This article should be retitled “Trout has a long way to go to catch Bonds/Ruth.”
Well, he only needs about 2×7 WAR seasons to get up to 2nd place in the modern era in this metric.
Up to now, health has really been the only factor that’s kept him from truly belonging to the top group. Through his career, he’s averaged 9.9 WAR/162 games, so those 100 or so games missed in the last 3 years have hurt him. But even with that, if he actually could stay healthy and put up 2×9 WAR seasons, he could get into the 90-WAR club, and 2×10 would put him in the top-10 of all-time.
I mean, sure. But he’s only played 8 full seasons. And will played 2020 at 28.
Of course. He isn’t even eligible for the hall of fame till he plays one more game! But he is number one in WAR through age 27 (by 4.6 fWAR over Cobb) and he has more than a 20 WAR lead over both of those guys at the same age.
It should be obvious that if you want to be the best ever at a game that has been around for almost 150 years you have to be VERY good for a VERY long time. The fact that you can even ask the question “can he catch Bonds and Ruth?” and not be laughed out of the room is impressive on it’s own.
The real crazy thing isn’t that Trout is number 1 in WAR through age 27.
He is number 4 in WAR through age 28.
And your handle should be changed to “buzzkill”.
Russell Martin!?!?
YES! This was my takeaway as well. Since we have the time, maybe a deep dive into Russell Martin’s WAR and what the heck we should think about it might be worthwhile?
Just absolutely humongous framing numbers. Look at the leaderboards for Def in that decade and you will see a lot of catchers. Yadi Molina has 20 more Def in that span and 1 point more wRC+ but falls behind Martin by having 40 points worse baserunning.
It is shocking. I was looking at Catcher WAR recently and was stunned by it as well. By fWAR he is absolutely a HOF catcher which just seems weird. I will say, he doesn’t do nearly was well by bWAR, though he still has a strong total there as well.
He’s 9th all time among catchers right now. He has a great chance to pass Bill Dickey to move into 8th, though he likely won’t pass Torre for 7th.
This is what I came here to say too.
Would be interesting to combine with pitchers. Ruth would likely gain 2 more years at the top while others might lose.
If anyone does it with pitchers, just remember that the list is worthless unless it uses bWAR.
I wouldn’t say fWAR is useless here, but bWAR would be preferred.
If you’re more interested in evaluating defense, maybe.
Every time I look at Ruth’s stats I find something new. For instance, his 60 HR season when he had a 0.417 ISO … that season … was only his 5th highest wRC+ and 4th highest WAR. How the f***?
In 2010, Barry Bonds had the 3rd highest 10-year WAR in baseball. He had not played since 2007.
And Bonds only played 14 games in 2005 – so really just 6 seasons. Ichiro is 4th on the 2010 list with 53.3 WAR – so 1 WAR less – in almost 750 games more than Bonds.
Ted Williams had 10.4 WAR in each of 1941 (the year he hit .406), 1942 (won the Triple Crown), then lost 3 years in the Marines during WWII, and returned with 10.6 WAR in 1946. Pretty safe to say that Ted would have had at least 10 WAR for each of those 1943-1945 seasons.
Williams also had 7.1 WAR in 1951 and 7.5 in 1954. In between those 2 years he lost almost all of the 1952 and 1953 seasons flying jets for the Marines in the Korean War. Ted probably would have had at least 7 WAR in those 2 missed seasons. If not for his military service, Ted Williams probably would have had 70 WAR decades beginning in each of the following years (total WAR for the decade):
1939: 92.5
1940: 94.8
1941: 92.2 (with Ted missing 1/2 of 1950 after breaking his elbow in the All-Star game)
1942: 88.9 (above)
1943: 85,9 (above)
1944: 82.9 (above)
1945: 80.4 (above)
1946: 77.3 (above)
1947: 72.8 (above)
1948: 73.0 (above)
That’s 10 decades of at least 73 WAR, 7 of at least 80 WAR and 3 decades of at least 90 WAR. If Ted had not missed 4.8 years due to service in the Marines, Williams clearly would be the 2nd greatest hitter next to Ruth (I exclude Bonds because his stats were jacked up due to PEDs). Yes, he was that good.
I agree that Trout has a good chance to join Mays and Williams just below Ruth at the top of this distinguished group.
This whole article was about WAR. no thanks.
Why are you even on this website?
Peace, obviously.
Reading about Mike Trout is a akin to doing heroin, with Fangraphs being the delivery system. And what is even better – minimal negative side effects.
The standard decade groupings should be from xxx1 to xxx0 in order to match up properly with the standard century groupings (such as the 20th Century being from 1901-2000, since there is no Year 0 on our calendar). If you want to say something happened in the ’90s, fine, but that’s only a real decade in the sense of the generic definition of any group of 10 years. We should be getting Best of the Decade lists at the end of this year for 2011-2020, but unfortunately hardly anyone remembers to properly group them that way
We often use ordinal numbers for centuries, but nobody really uses them for decades. You don’t see people talking about life in the 202nd Decade unless it’s a conversation about how to group years. So, no, it’s not “proper” to group them that way.
Even for centuries, people refer to the 1800’s or 1900’s, and this isn’t wrong, except when, for example, they try to make the 1800’s and 19th Century synonymous.
In fact, it’s correct to refer to the 19th century as 1800-1899, because language is a means of communicating with other people, the vast majority of people do it that way, and in any application where the lack of the year zero would throw things off, people will find a way of being more precise.
I like the chart at the end. It shows a passing of the title of best players in baseball. It goes from Ruth to Gehrig to Foxx/Ott then Williams/DiMaggio then Musial and Mantle. Then it’s Mays/Aaron, Morgan/Yaz/Rose/Bench, Schmidt/Brett, Henderson/Boggs/Ripken, and Bonds. Recently, we have Pujols/Cabrera, and Trout.
That makes Trout the 12th generation since Ruth. My grandfather was 17 just as Ruth was about to give way to Gehrig, and my daughter is 17 now so I guess 4 generations of family covers 12 generations of “best player in baseball.”
If we thought about how many baseball generations one gets to see, my grandfather lived from 1917 to 1987 so he would’ve seen 9 of these generations. Maybe I could say 10 as he could’ve heard about how great Tris Speaker was when he was very little. I know when I was very little I was completely confident that Reggie Jackson was the best as I had been told that by adults. Tris Speaker may have been my grandfather’s Reggie Jackson, a name heard before ever watching a baseball game. Trout is the best player at a time when I’m busy with work and about at mid-life, and that would have been Willie Mays for my grandfather or Barry Bonds for my dad.
Anyway, thanks for the chart. It led to a nice reflection on a quarantine morning.
Also a reminder of how incredible Eddie Collins was statistically. He seems like one of the most underrated Hall of Famers–shame about the bigotry.
Rogers Hornsby is right there with Ruth though.
First thing I do every day is open FanGraphs and look for “Mike Trout”. Was not disappointed.
Here are the top five fWAR leaders for each 10-year period in the World Series era, split out by position players and pitchers. https://bit.ly/WAR-decade
Looking at the gaps between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in that bottom list to see how much the leaders are lapping their closest competitors:
Biggest lead over 2nd place in raw WAR:
1932 Babe Ruth 33
1996 Barry Bonds 27
2003 Barry Bonds 25
1997 Barry Bonds 25
1912 Honus Wagner 25
(2019 Trout is in 15th place at 20 WAR)
Biggest lead over 3rd place in raw WAR:
1928 Babe Ruth 55
1929 Babe Ruth 51
1930 Babe Ruth 46
1909 Honus Wagner 44
1910 Honus Wagner 44
1927 Babe Ruth 44
1931 Babe Ruth 43
1911 Honus Wagner 42
(2019 Trout is 26th at 25 WAR)
By percentage, biggest lead over 2nd place:
1996 Barry Bonds 153%
1932 Babe Ruth 146%
1952 Stan Musial 146%
1997 Barry Bonds 144%
1983 Mike Schmidt 144%
2003 Barry Bonds 140%
1912 Honus Wagner 138%
2019 Mike Trout 138%
By percentage, biggest lead over 3rd place:
1928 Babe Ruth 200%
1909 Honus Wagner 196%
1910 Honus Wagner 196%
1929 Babe Ruth 189%
1911 Honus Wagner 189%
1930 Babe Ruth 178%
1927 Babe Ruth 173%
1931 Babe Ruth 173%
(2019 Trout is 17th)
Lou Boudreau has a helluva run. I did not know that.
Almost everyone on that list is a hall of Famer. It’s a good argument for andruw jones but at the end of the day it depends on how you feel about defensive WAR. IDK, the eye test tells me he was pretty darn good.
Martin fits into that as well. I tend to think defensive WAR for catchers is mostly accurate. You can’t say they are the most important player on the pitch and then have them at really low WAR.
If you look at Martin he has been a great hitting catcher as well. Compared to catchers that is. Career wRC is 104.
I love looking at the second and third place people. Russell Martin in 2nd place for the decade ending in 2016 is fascinating.
Russell Martin: Hall of Famer
my first thought is if only the Angels could pitch the last ten years. My second thought is how much the Reds wasted the career of Joey Votto. The two best hitters of the last decade and I recall zero post season series wins off hand. My third thought was Russell Martin? Which was echo’d in the comments for sure.
Barry bonds had 85 wins from 1989 to 1998? He had an 80 win decade before steroids!!!
This was cool. Can you do it for pitchers?
With how much he’s fallen off in the last several years, it’s always nice to be reminded that Pujols was an absolute machine his first decade in the bigs.
The sad truth is that the mediocrity surrounding Trout for his entire career reflects no shine.