Mitch Keller Is Suddenly a Hot Commodity

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There’s been a lot of chatter about surplus value around these parts in recent days. As Ben Clemens wrote last week, surplus value informs a large part of a given player’s appeal as a trade target. Count up all the projected WAR remaining on a player’s deal, multiply it by the price of a single win, subtract the remaining cost of the contract, and what’s left over is an estimate of the player’s surplus value. Anything less than zero, and the contract can be considered underwater; if a contract is underwater, a team seeking to offload that player would expect to receive nothing of value in a trade return.

A couple of months back, my assumption was that Mitch Keller’s contract was ever-so-slightly underwater. The right-hander inked a five-year, $77 million extension in February of 2024. His first year on that deal was thoroughly mediocre: He made nearly every start, but posted a so-so 4.25 ERA/4.08 FIP. Over the two years preceding the deal, it was much of the same. His 4.13 ERA between 2022 and 2024 ranked 68th out of 106 pitchers with at least 300 innings pitched; his 3.92 FIP ranked 51st. The strikeout and walk rates were nearly dead-on league average.

Is a roughly 2-WAR starter worth tens of millions of guaranteed dollars? Your mileage may vary. Patrick Corbin went to the Rangers for $1.1 million after posting a 1.8-WAR season last year. Andrew Heaney got two years and $25 million after delivering 2.2 WAR. Nick Pivetta, notably younger than both of those guys but still three years older than Keller, signed with the Padres for four years and $55 million. If Keller had hit the open market after the 2024 season, when he put up 2.2 WAR in 31 starts (178 innings), I’d imagine he would have received a contract similar to what Pivetta earned after his 2.0 WAR and 145 2/3 innings. Perhaps Keller’s deal wasn’t terrible, but it also wasn’t something teams would be dying to get on their books.

But now it’s the peak of trade deadline season, and the 29-year-old Keller is a hot commodity. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported last Tuesday that the Blue Jays are in on Keller. That’s in addition to reported interest from the Cubs, Mets and Yankees. Nearly half of the most serious World Series contenders are in on the Keller sweepstakes, suggesting that contract is now perceived as having surplus value. Perhaps this has something to do with the haggard state of these teams’ rotations, but I’m inclined to believe that isn’t the entire reason.

My sense is that these teams would not be so hot on Keller’s tail if they saw him as a late-season innings eater destined to shift to bullpen work at the start of the postseason. Instead, they consider him to be more than quality depth. Or, in other words, the view him as a Guy.

So, is Mitch Keller a Guy now? On the one hand, he is posting a career-best campaign by both ERA (3.69) and FIP (3.44). On the other, his strikeout rate (18.8%) is the lowest of his career, and his fastball velocity is down over a tick from two seasons ago. This is not an unambiguous breakout.

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If Keller is now a Guy, it’s because he’s unlocked a newfound ability to generate weak contact. And there’s nothing I like more than an investigation into whether someone is coming by their weak-contact generation honestly. He’s allowed just 10 home runs and a .286 BABIP. Is that luck or skill?

The first thing to know about Keller: He can really spin the baseball. He’s a lowish-slot supinator, and so it follows that his sweeper is the flashiest part of his profile. It can top 20 inches of horizontal break when the seams catch the air just right, making it among the most aesthetically pleasing pitches when it’s on:

He leverages his spin-first approach to construct an angular mode of attack. He’s not north-south, but he’s not exactly east-west either. It’s more like northwest-southeast, or southwest-northeast, depending on the handedness of the batter. Keller attacks the corners, forcing hitters to cover the entire plate at a wide range of velocities.

With the sweeper, as well as a more gyro-y slider, in the minds of hitters — plus a curveball and changeup he throws to lefties — Keller’s four-seam fastball plays above its subpar stuff numbers. Even with mediocre shape and average velocity, the heater gets hitters to swing super late. The average “attack direction” of swings against his four-seamer is over 11 degrees to the opposite field, ranking in the 81st percentile. Most of the fastballs that produce swings with this attack direction are fireballs — think Jhoan Duran or Daniel Palencia unleashing triple-digit bullets. Keller gets hitters to react late by forcing them to consider his bevy of spin.

Keller’s four-seamer has returned 1.4 runs per 100 pitches thrown, identical to Jacob deGrom’s heater. It’s been particularly tough on righties: Even though it misses hardly any bats (it has just a 8.8% swinging strike rate), righties are slugging just .218 off the pitch. His fastball induces a lot of groundballs tapped harmlessly to the right side:

Sadly, I was not able to access Stephen Sutton-Brown’s arsenal metrics in time for the publication of this article. But if I did, I’m almost positive that Keller’s scores would compete with those of any starter in the sport. His offerings touch all four quadrants of the pitch plot; meanwhile, he can touch 98 on the fastball and drop a 74-mph curveball into the zone.

As I’ve explored on a variety of occasions, pitchers with diverse arsenals covering large swaths of pitch plots can sustainably stay off barrels by preventing hitters from sitting on any one movement profile or location. But this isn’t the first year that Keller has featured a diverse arsenal. So what’s changed?

Keller struggled mightily early in his career, but after a velo boost in the 2022 season, he’s basically been the same guy: lots of spin talent, many pitches, theoretically-underwhelming-but-ultimately-effective four-seam fastball. If there’s an argument for Keller taking a leap from “decent pitcher” to “playoff starter on a team with championship aspirations,” it rests on some sort of explanation for his recent improvement in batted ball outcomes.

I’m not saying I’m convinced by this explanation, but Keller has made a pretty significant alteration to his arsenal from 2024 to 2025. Last season, he threw his cutter 12% of the time and his slider 9% of the time. Both pitches bled into each other from a shape perspective; neither performed particularly well. (Note the blurring of the yellow and brown dots on the plot below.)

The cutter, meant to be a soft contact option to lefties, instead allowed a .568 slugging on contact. The slider also got whacked around (-3.4 runs per 100 pitches thrown is about as bad as you’ll see on a given pitch type) and generated a below-average whiff rate in the process.

This year, he’s scrapped the cutter entirely. The more gyro-y slider still isn’t amazing; he’s allowing a .371 wOBA on contact with the pitch, and the whiff rate remains unimpressive. But canning the cutter and going heavy on the four-seamer to lefties has been a huge boon: His wOBA against lefties is .321 this year, by far the lowest mark of his career.

Is it that simple? Who knows. The easy answer is that Keller has improved slightly, but that makes for an unsatisfactory conclusion. I’ll come down hard with a medium-hot take and say Keller is mostly the same guy he’s always been. Would I give up serious prospect capital to pick up this contract for the next three-plus seasons? Probably not. If the expectation is something like a league-average guy for the length of that contract, I don’t know if it’s really worth it. Decent starting pitching can be found for relatively cheap; the Tigers just picked up Chris Paddack (and Randy Dobnak, currently in Triple-A) for a 35+ FV prospect. Keller is having a better year than Paddack, but they haven’t been all that different on a rate basis during their seven-year careers, though Keller has amassed 4.5 more career WAR than Paddack on account of his throwing nearly 300 more innings.

Still, how his trade value compares to Paddack’s this summer is of little concern to Keller. Really, why should he care what the Pirates get in return for him? From his perspective, all that matters is that he’s put together an excellent four months of baseball, and his reward will likely be high-leverage work for a competitive ballclub down the stretch and, potentially, in the playoffs.





Michael Rosen is a transportation researcher and the author of pitchplots.substack.com. He can be found on Twitter at @bymichaelrosen.

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MichaelMember since 2016
1 year ago

If a 36 y/o Seth Lugo is worth 2/$46M then Keller is worth some decent prospects. Tigers should pick one of the “untouchables” because they won’t all hit.

tunglashrMember since 2016
1 year ago

It is so frustrating to see this stupid question repeated over and over by people who should know better. Is it luck or skill? It is always skill. Players in MLB do not ‘get lucky’, even when they play above their heads. The correct question: is it sustainable?

Variance and luck are not the same thing, and its incredibly naive to assign MLB performance to luck.

JimmyMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  tunglashr

Variance is what pretty much everyone means by luck, though, and insisting otherwise is pedantry. If I bet on red 8 times in roulette and win every time, people will say I was very lucky. Obviously that just means that it’s amazing that that outcome with a 0.3% chance occurred because other outcomes were far likelier. I can’t fathom what else you’d mean by luck, because clearly no one here believes that luck is some mystical thing.

Last edited 1 year ago by Jimmy
Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  Jimmy

Yeah. Variance and luck are absolutely the same thing. This isn’t even a semantic quibble, it’s a semantic misunderstanding. If you don’t like using the words “luck or skill” as shorthand for “unlikely or repeatable” because you view the former pair as connotationally unacceptable even though their actual meaning is clear… well, you can just translate it in your head and leave the rest of us out of it.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  tunglashr

This is the second time you’ve made this argument, and it assumes that baseball outcomes are deterministic rather than stochastic.

And if you believe that baseball outcomes are deterministic rather than stochastic, then any argument I would have with you about it is going to be way longer than can fit in the FG comments section.

Another Old GuyMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  tunglashr

No, luck or lack of luck should never be confused with skill. Both luck and lack of luck are major components of random variance. I am not sure if Dan Z is reading any of this, but I certainly have to believe that is a major reason he states player performance as viewable percentage probability outcomes. Variance is commonly expressed by error bars in graphs as those in math and science as many possible outcomes are recognized for a random event or collection of events. Yes, skill levels can improve or regress for a player, but it is incredibly naive to think the degree of luck or lack of same does not contribute to variance.

JayGray007Member since 2024
1 year ago

Realistically the additional years of keller control aren’t worth a ton in a trade. But teams have been giving up trade deadline premium returns for #3 sps for years.

Keller will probably bring back one actual good prospect, to pay off the trade deadline premium. The rest of his deal wont be overpaid for.

As a pirate fan, id be happy with something in the ballpark of Password Garcia and a few spare parts from Boston. Then spend kellers salary on another hitter this offseason. So that’s basically FA Hitter + Password for Keller. Which, to me, feels reasonable.

JayGray007Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

Anyway, multiple things can be true. Keller doesnt have to be an ace in order to be a desirable playoff series caliber SP thats worth giving at least one good prospect for

jrothMember since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

Yeah, this is the big thing. Nobody thinks he’s a top 2 SP, but playoff teams that go deep need 4 SPs, and their #3 SPs will get several starts. A #3 SP is, definitionally, a league-average starter.

And if your contending team has 2 good starters but nobody else better than Keller, guess what? You need him, and no, you can’t retroactively sign somebody else for a fraction of the dollars.

PS Looking beyond this fall, it seems a little weird to dismiss Keller’s extra WAR as coming from mere additional innings pitched. Is there an upcoming rule that teams can choose to play 7 inning games, or is it the case that nearly every team in baseball would prefer 180 IP from their #3 over 140?

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  jroth

I’d also add that for several of these contenders (Detroit, Mets, LAD), Keller might be starting Game 2.

JayGray007Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Yep. I fully understand and appreciate Michael’s point that Keller’s contract is neutral-ish at best-ish. This offseason, a fair trade for keller would more or less be “lottery ticket prospect for keller” because of the relatively high salary.

But that “surplus value” math breaks on deadline day.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

Keller’s contract value is neutral-ish at worst.

He’s a #3 making #4 money; he’s only 29…and loads of pitchers take a leap when they leave the Pirates.

jtricheyMember since 2021
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

LAD? No.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  jtrichey

I don’t know, man, if anything in real baseball matches the fate of Mr. Burns’ ringers, it’s got to be the LAD rotation.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  jtrichey

If Glasnow is healthy, it’s him. Which is…less than frequent.

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Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

I’ve never seen a guy so aptly named; he is truly glass, now.

jmb2171Member since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  jroth

And those extra innings have a residual effect on the bullpen.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jroth

“Definitionally” (as in, the definition used across baseball) #3 starters are ~3 WAR players, which is fairly above average.

The rule of thumb is

#1=5 WAR
#2=4 WAR
#3=3 WAR
#4=2 WAR
#5=1 WAR

(I phrase it 4.5+, 3.5-4.5 etc, because I’ve done the math, but that’s getting into minutiae)

Last edited 1 year ago by Cool Lester Smooth
sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I don’t know if that’s the actual rule of thumb, but it is my rule of thumb and I think it’s a good one.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

We’ve had this convo before, haha – I did the math on it a few years ago based on the bands I’d seen for Ace, #2, and #3 (Top 7-10, etc) and the cutoff came to 4.5 for Ace, 3.5 for #2, and 2.5 for #3 over 1, 3, 5, and 7 year spans.

jmb2171Member since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

One thing the additional years of control gives the acquiring team is the potential that they can then move him for a future trade deadline premium. If Keller maintains his current success, he’d be worth about as much a year from now and possibly more because of the longer track record. That’s also why, as a Pirates fan, I don’t think Keller should be traded. Build around Skenes as a #1 and Keller as a #3 to try to win in ’26. If that fails, then look to move him.

dsilvers60Member since 2016
1 year ago

It IS interesting to see Keller getting this kind of attention, and while I think it is deserved to some degree, I think it is also a measure of the lack of names on the board who are relatively accessible to a number of teams (not ONLY the Yankees and Dodgers).

I’m not knocking Keller at all. If his improvements prove to be sustainable, he will be a nice acquisition for whoever picks him up. It’s just that it’s awfully thin evidence to move on at this point.

jsdspudMember since 2018
1 year ago

As a Pirate fan I actually hope that they keep him. His numbers aren’t great but he is very durable. Also, he seems to keep improving. For once I would like to see them trade a couple of pitching prospects for an actual established major league bat that might be involved in arbitration. (not a Horowitz type) This type of deal would have to wait until the offseason.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

Keller’s a #3 for me in a playoff rotation, since he looks like he’s probably worth a little over 3 WAR most of the time.

But I do worry about that HR/FB% rate staying down. His xHR is only slightly over the actual number of home runs given up (by about 1.5) so it’s not necessarily about park effects, but more that in previous years he’s given up 4.5-6.5 percentage points more.

Overall I think he probably makes the most sense for a team that only has one or two playoff starters already. From that perspective the Red Sox, Cubs, Yankees, Giants, and Mets make a lot of sense. Which is ironic because part of his appeal is that he’s not super expensive, but the teams that are in smaller markets already have pitching covered or are out of the playoff race.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Ideally he’s a playoff #4. With the way this playoff field has evolved he’s going to be a 3 for most teams. He arguably would be a 2 for SD depending on where you stand on Cease.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

I usually go with a 5-4-3-2-1, so a 3-win pitcher is a #3 for me, a 4-win pitcher is a #2, etc.

But I can only thing of a couple of teams where he’d be the fourth starter, I think only the Phillies and the Mariners? Maybe the Brewers but only if you buy the Misiorowski hype and think Woodruff is back. And I guess the Dodgers if they’re healthy, but they aren’t and won’t be.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I would have said he’s a 4 in DET before Olson went down and Mize has hit the skids. Now he’s could be their 2.

MIL – as you mentioned that’s TBD. Who knows how well Woodruff and Mis maintain their current performance. Both are going to be redlining innings by the time the playoffs roll around. This current version of Priester has my attention though and I thought he was trash two months ago. They’ve done a great job refining his delivery.

NYM – I’d have him as the 4 there behind a healthy Senga, Peterson, and Manaea.

PHI – As you mentioned that’s an obvious one but they won’t be adding a SP.

LAD – who actually is healthy come the end of the season for them is anyone’s guess. You’d think that four of Yamamoto, Ohtani, Snell, Glasnow, or May would be healthy come postseason time but probably not. He’d slot in over May easily though.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

The Dodgers are looking to trade May. He’s lost his job.

I forgot Manaea was back, although he has been up and down for his career. Peterson is very Keller-ish too.

Mize was always due for a regression. People want to believe he will regularly draw soft contact but if so you would see it in his x-stats.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I actually prefer Peterson over Keller as I think he’s got better command.

Speaking of May, I wonder if another team will try and buy low on Bobby Miller this deadline.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And Ohtani leaves with the trainer today…

Michael WertMember since 2024
1 year ago

As a Pirates fan, I hope no other team executives read this! I’ve always been relatively unimpressed by Keller (though perhaps he was a ‘victim’ of the prior regime’s pitch to contact mantra) so I am desperately hoping for another team to overpay for his services.

jrwolf08
1 year ago

Feel like there is a bit of handwaving on the durability aspect of Keller when comparing him to Paddock.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  jrwolf08

And others. The ability to start 30 times and put up 2.5 WAR every year is rare.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago

Doesn’t that comparison to Paddack in the second to last paragraph matter in regards to Keller’s value? The fact that he’s thrown 300 more innings?

Rate basis may matter, but all of these guys on LA are wonderful on a rate basis, but break after 50 innings. Health is a skill and it matters.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

I just left a big comment on the Paddack trade article about this, but Paddack also has the worst ERA-FIP and LOB% since 2021 by a decent margin. Whether that’s a skill issue or a sign of positive regression, I don’t know.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

Yeah, it’s not just BABIP luck – his K/9 drops from 9.3 with the bases empty to 6.97 with runners on.

Keller’s been worth 9.5 RA9-WAR since the start of 2022; Paddack’s been worth 1.0

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lostatlimboMember since 2017
1 year ago

“…though Keller has amassed 4.5 more career WAR than Paddack on account of his throwing nearly 300 more innings”

I think this is a very underrated factor here. Is Keller ‘sexy’? No, but he is reliable. How much value is there in a player that consistently goes out and gives you 6 good innings for 30 games/year? How many players do that year after year?

Say what you will about QS as a stat, but Keller is 32nd overall on active pitchers under 30. Very few of those ahead of him have team-friendly contracts.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  lostatlimbo

Also, Statcast says that Paddack’s only lost 3 runs to defense over the last 2 seasons…against a 0.7 RA9-WAR.

The issue is that he loses 2 K/9 when men get on base.

The Pirates defense has been neutral over the same period.

So, that’s 1.0 Defense-Neutral WAR in 199 innings vs. 4.6 Defense-Neutral WAR in 305 innings.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  lostatlimbo

Go back and look at where he ranks in WAR over the past several years. He’s in that same range, slightly better.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  darren

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JayGray007Member since 2024
1 year ago

Teams have been “overpaying” for players at the trade deadline since before any of us were born. the rest of keller’s 2025, and basically any player who is going to be traded’s 2025, will bring less “value” to an organization than the “trade value” of what they send out. It’s how the trade deadline has worked for decades and decades.

The remaining years of keller’s contract would only bring back a moderate return in the offseason because that’s when “trade value models” actually matter. Trade value of the rest of this year is broken. Because it’s always broken at the deadline.

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
1 year ago

Keller is a 29 year old on his way to a fifth consecutive season of 30 starts who’s established himself a 3fWAR/200IP pitcher over those five seasons. I get he’s not sexy, but are we sure Keller wouldn’t get more than the 3yrs/$56m he’s on the books for were he a free agent this winter?

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

I find that very sexy!

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

This past off season Nick Martinez and Walker Buehler got 1/20ish.

If he remained healthy the rest of the season Keller would hypothetically get way more than 3/56 as a UFA.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  96mnc

He’d probably get something in the range of 5/$100.

MoMember since 2024
1 year ago

I don’t think the Corbin/Heaney comps are very good for Keller, because you are comparing Keller’s worst recent year (2024) with the best recent years of those other pitchers. Corbin and Heaney had long track records of 0.5 to 1.5 WAR seasons before being marginally better in their platform years, whereas Keller has been over 2 WAR every year since 2021.

Post-2024 Pivetta and post-2024 Keller would be a pretty good comp, but why ignore Keller’s 2025 performance?

Looking at SPs from last year with a track record of 2-3 WAR seasons and a recent uptick in performance: Manaea (3/75) and Kikuchi (3/63). That looks like a $20M-$25M/year pitcher, which is more than Keller will be making on his contract.

Plus you get Keller for your 2025 playoff run in a year that he’s pitching really well.

anthony.surberMember since 2024
1 year ago

I’d speculate that part of the interest from the mentioned clubs is that they see a couple mechanical shifts to get him from viable 3-4 to a 2-3. As a Yankee fan I buy into the Matt Blake Devil Magic and think that he can do something with Keller to unlock some additional value.

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jrothMember since 2026
1 year ago

Hold on, an essential premise of this article its just…wrong?

Is a roughly 2-WAR starter worth tens of millions of guaranteed dollars?

I don’t know, is 10.1 divided by 3.67 2, or is it a much larger number?

Keller’s actual WAR (this is FanGraphs, I think we’re using fWAR, no?) is 2.75/season. That’s a LOT more than 2; 2.75 simply is the production of a #3 SP on a good team (on an average team, the #3 puts up ~2 WAR). Last year, 4 teams in all of MLB had 3 starters better than Keller’s average production since the start of 2022.

So the question is: should playoff contenders want one of the top 5 #3 SPs in all of baseball? I’m not sure I need a ton of tables and spray charts to answer that question.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

The Heaney comment is a bit off–Heaney got 2/25 coming off a 1.1 WAR season where he only pitched 72.2 innings. He did have 2.2 WAR last year, and only got 1/5.25, but as you observed he’s a bunch older than Keller, that was his first 2-WAR season since 2018, and his xERA was a sight worse than his FIP (and thus WAR).

Corbin’s xERA was much worse than his FIP last year and it was the fourth year in a row with an ERA and xERA over 5. Pivetta seems like the only real comp and his AAV is pretty close to Keller’s, but Keller had two more WAR than Pivetta over the three previous years–probably with a slightly higher xERA. And Pivetta’s contract is off to a great start. Seems like Keller’s got some surplus value, by that comp.

JuuuustAnotherBaseballFanMember since 2018
1 year ago

This has Red Sox written all over it. “Look, we got somebody!” (sigh)

As a Sox fan that has lost a lot of homegrown talent to root for recently, I hope Keller stays in Pittsburgh so the fans can keep seeing him go out there and try to win.

Last edited 1 year ago by JuuuustAnotherBaseballFan
JayGray007Member since 2024
1 year ago

As a pirate fan, i personally have a “Keller for Jhostynxon Garcia and spare parts” deal in my head as something reasonable for both sides. I know you don’t sound too excited about keller, but is this fan-to-fan offer unreasonable to you?

JuuuustAnotherBaseballFanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

Yeah, I would do that as a Sox fan. Keller has talent and, though he has been choppy over the years, the price would be worth getting a guy who can throw innings who at least has a chance to be good if not better. There are many other starters the Sox could get that would be gross to consider, but I suppose Keller is better than most of them if he’s available.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

To me he would actually be a strong fit for them.

Really, any starter of that caliber or better would be a fit for them right now, but most of them aren’t available. They’ve got depth but I wouldn’t trust any of the starters in the playoffs except Crochet. Not a single one.

I promise you would feel a whole lot better about Keller in that #2 slot than Giolito or Bello, who are best described as “serviceable #4 starters” at the moment.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Exactly. Many contenders have very strong #1 and a mess after that.

darren
1 year ago

As a Sox fan, I’d be very happy to get him. He’s reliable and very good.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
1 year ago

Go watch a Marcus Stroman start and then tell me Keller’s being overrated.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago

Trading Keller is fine but it’s highly unlikely it moves PIT any closer to winning a WS with Skenes under control unless the returning players are MLB ready bats. This franchise needs to seriously consider dealing Skenes.

JayGray007Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

the argument that it gets them closer to winning with Skenes would be something like “in addition to whatever bats you get for keller, you could also re-spend his salary on players this offseason.”

So it’s not just Keller for prospects. it’s keller for prospects plus 17 million of spending power this winter.

i’m not necessarily arguing *for* this, but just pointing out one variable that it doesnt seem that youve considered.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

Bob Nutting will still be the owner, leaving a good chance that $17m gets pocketed.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JayGray007

True, you can add in FA with the 17m “savings” but big name free agents are generally overpaid and poor value. Are they really going to spend for a Naylor/Bichette/Alonso/Schwarber/Tucker type that may actually live up to the back of their card for at least 2 or 3 years?

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

If you’re going to deal Skenes now, why even have a franchise?

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

If we’re being honest that owner should sell.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

We’d all love that, but he’s given no indication he will or wants to.

They are in a tough spot, although it’s almost entirely due to BC bungling the rebuild. The latter part of the NH tenure, they didn’t develop well. The players they (and BC) did develop (Reynolds, Keller, Hayes) were decent players, but solid contributors, not stars. They then locked those three into contracts, because the team didn’t try to acquire any MLB talent as they went through the rebuild. I wasn’t a fan of the Reynolds extension, but I was for the Keller and Hayes signing (whoops). Consequently, BC’s sell off of Marte, JT, Bell, Musgrove netted…Bednar and Endy Rodriguez who is looking like a backup C.

So what do you do, now that you have the best pitcher in the NL, a solid #3, and a good, but frustrating CF? I don’t know, but I certainly wouldn’t punt the Skenes era already. The Brewers have held onto stars with one (Burnes) or zero (Adames) years left. Why not do the same with Skenes? And it shouldn’t be BC calling the shots for the next steps; he had his chance.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Now Hayes is gone.

What would I do to put a solid team around Skenes in the next four years if you’re holding onto him? Let’s be real, they need improvements at four positions (3B SS LF DH) depending on whether you believe there’s anything more in Gonzales, Davis, and Horowitz. If you don’t believe those guys can improve then that could be up to 7. You better get MLB ready and capable hitters back for Keller, Bednar, and Santana and then spend wisely in FA too.

The Brewers comp isn’t a great one in my mind because they’ve generally had at least 6 capable hitters on the roster including a MVP caliber player in Yelich at times when healthy.

danodeaMember since 2025
1 year ago

I think that in this age of max effort and constant pitcher injuries, the fact that Keller has been basically injury free since he got called up is an important part of his value.

j27roenick
1 year ago

1) Keller pitching an extra 300 innings than Paddack is not happenstance and makes him much more valuable than Paddack. Injuries to the Cubs SP mainstays have forced a handful of opener/Ben Brown/Chris Flexen games that have not ended (or started) well. Availability for a SP is a huge bonus because it (usually) means avoiding these predictable blowups.

2) The Pirates slightly backloaded his extension and the next three seasons aren’t quite as $$$ surplus-y as a quick glance at his CBT contract numbers would have you believe. It takes a bit of the shine off.

AlbyMember since 2025
1 year ago

I think the difference between Paddack and Keller amounts to both dependability and Paddack peaking much earlier. Keller has simply been better for the past 4 years and has a better chance of staying healthy. Keller could be the #3 starter on a playoff team – not ideal, but workable. Paddack probably not.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  Alby

As a Bucs fan, Keller is really easy to root for. His first few years were brutal and he figured it out.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  Alby

Why would you not want Keller as your number 3 on a playoff team. Besides the Phillies, Dodgers, and Mariners, all the other teams would be improving on their current #3 by slotting in Keller. Sounds ideal.

darren
1 year ago

Is a roughly 2-WAR starter worth tens of millions of guaranteed dollars? 

Yes, that’s a valuable pitcher especially if he has barely missed a start his entire career. From 2022 through 2024, Keller averaged 177 IP and 2.5 WAR. This year he’s on pace for ~3.9 WAR.

Here are Keller’s WAR totals and where they rank among starters:

2025: 2.6 WAR – 21st
2024-2025: 4.8 WAR – 31st
2023-2025: 8.0 WAR – 24th
2022-2025: 10.1 WAR – 23rd

10.1 WAR over 3 2/3 seasons doesn’t sound all that exciting but starting pitching just isn’t what it used to be. That track record is a lot closer to Max Fried than it is to Andrew Heaney or Patrick Corbin. And Keller is considerably younger than all of these guys.

There’s no need to look behind the numbers to try to find some secret, hidden value. Keller is a reliably very good pitcher– a borderline #1/#2.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

He’s good value at his contract given his durability but he’s really more of a 3 or 4 than a 1 or 2 on a good team. You don’t want the current iteration of Keller starting game one of a playoff series for you.

For the record I do think there’s a bit if untapped potential left in him through better sequencing or further FB command improvement.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  darren

1/2 is wildly overselling it (there are generally ~10 aces and another 15 #2s), but he’s a damn good pitcher.

darren
1 year ago

Even putting aside the fact that Keller has been much, much, much healthier than Paddack, he’s also been a better pitcher.

2023 – 2025:
Keller 4.09 ERA, 3.81 FIP
Paddack 4.98 ERA, 4.28 FIP

Yes, it’s cheap to pick up guys who are often and injured and are serviceable when they are able to pitch. But this has nothing to do with Mitch Keller.