MLB’s Current Sign-Stealing Saga Carries Echos of the Game’s PED Problems

A new avenue to pursue a competitive advantage, a gray area as to whether it’s considered cheating, a paper ban that goes unenforced, bad behavior spreading around the league through player movement, executives shocked — shocked! — that such behavior is happening on their teams, a commissioner sounding out of touch as he publicly downplays the severity of the problem, once-celebrated achievements now tainted… if the outlines of baseball’s current sign-stealing scandal sound familiar, it’s because they’ve followed a pattern similar to that of the performance-enhancing drug problem that enveloped the game in the 1990s and early 2000s. Of course, there are key differences between the two, but both found Major League Baseball well behind the curve and struggling both to catch up and regain credibility on the issue.

That thought came to mind on Tuesday, as the sign-stealing saga took a new turn when The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich reported that in 2018, the Red Sox used their video replay room in an attempt to decipher opponents’ sign sequences, a practice that proliferated after instant replay reviews were introduced in 2014, one that was broadly prohibited but generally unenforced until 2018. Three members of the 2018 Red Sox told The Athletic that multiple teammates used the team’s video room, which was just a few steps from the home dugout, to break down opponents’ signs. Unlike the bang-on-a-trash-can system Rosenthal and Drellich reported the Astros having used in 2017, the Red Sox did not directly communicate to batters what pitch was coming, instead relaying that information through the dugout to the baserunner and then to the hitter.

While the efficacy of either system is still murky, both the Astros and Red Sox flouted the rules, and both went on to win the World Series in the year they did so, coincidentally beating the Dodgers. While rumors have circulated regarding other teams’ usage of replay rooms and other means to steal signs electronically, thus far the substantiated allegations have been limited to those two clubs, who share a common denominator: Alex Cora, who as bench coach of the Astros in 2017 is said to have played a key role in their sign-stealing system, and who left following that season to manage the Red Sox, a job he still holds.

Neither sign-stealing nor PED usage sprung up overnight, and in fact both practices date back to the 19th century. In The Hidden Language of Baseball, Paul Dickson traced the origins of sign-stealing as far back as 1876, the inaugural season of the National League, when the Hartford Dark Blues built a shack atop a telegraph pole overlooking the stadium, and from there were able to tip off their players to signs. In 1900, the Phillies employed an electric buzzer system that would shock their third base coach to convey signs relayed from backup catcher Morgan Murphy, who served as a spotter beyond the center field walls. As for PEDs, Pud Galvin, the first pitcher to win 300 games, openly used “Brown-Séquard Elixir” via subcutaneous injection. The concoction, which was created by Dr. Charles Edouard Brown-Séquard and supposed to impede aging and boost strength and virility, contained an extract from monkey testicles. Galvin’s use of the substance was celebrated in the Washington Post in 1889 (“If there still be doubting Thomases who concede no virtue of the elixir, they are respectfully referred to Galvin’s record in yesterday’s Boston-Pittsburgh game”)!

Beyond the ancient and slightly more modern history of both practices — Babe Ruth injecting extract from sheep testicles in 1925, the year of his infamous bellyache; the 1951 Giants aiding their come-from-behind pennant effort by relaying stolen signs using their own buzzer system — it’s worth remembering baseball’s sluggish efforts to recognize and address the proliferation of PEDs within the game, and its commonalities with the sign-stealing problem.

As first detailed by pitcher Jim Brosnan in The Long Season, then later amplified by Jim Bouton in Ball Four, amphetamines became widely available in clubhouses starting in the late 1950s in the form of “greenies” used to fight fatigue and gain physical and mental edges. Numerous Hall of Famers have been connected to them, even after they began being regulated by Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. Anabolic steroid usage seeped into baseball in the 1960s and ’70s. In 2005, former Braves reliever Tom House estimated that in those days, six or seven players per team were experimenting with steroids and human growth hormone and said, “We were doing steroids they wouldn’t give to horse… We didn’t get beat, we got out-milligrammed. And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them.”

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The sale of steroids for non-medical purposes was outlawed under the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988, and two years later, anabolic steroids were added to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (less serious than amphetamines, due to a lower risk of physical or psychological dependence). A year later, commissioner Fay Vincent sent a memo to teams and the players union explicitly prohibiting “the possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel… This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs … including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription.” While it outlined treatment and penalties, the prohibition did not include random testing, which had to be bargained with the Major League Baseball Players Association.

In 1995, multiple executives and players such as Tony Gwynn and Frank Thomas told the Los Angeles Times‘ Bob Nightengale that steroid usage was becoming more prevalent. Acting commissioner Bud Selig, who had replaced the ousted Vincent in 1992, told Nightengale, “If baseball has a problem, I must say candidly that we were not aware of it. It certainly hasn’t been talked about much. But should we concern ourselves as an industry? I don’t know. Maybe it’s time to bring it up again.”

Selig reissued Vincent’s memo in 1997, but the problem wasn’t truly addressed, even after a bottle of the testosterone precursor androstenedione was found in the locker of Mark McGwire the following summer as he raced Sammy Sosa in pursuit of the single-season home run record. In the wake of Ken Caminiti‘s 2002 confession of having used PEDs during his MVP-wining 1996 season, in which he told Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci that “at least half the guys are using steroids,” Selig called the drugs’ proliferation “a problem we can and must deal with now,” but it wasn’t until 2004 — after the BALCO scandal implicated Barry Bonds and several other players — that random testing and suspensions were introduced, triggered by a league-wide survey test. When exactly zero players were disciplined that year, Selig was among those called to testify before Congress on March 17, 2005. So was Jose Canseco, whose just-published book Juiced detailed his own PED usage as well as his claims to have introduced and injected A’s teammate McGwire and Rangers teammates Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmeiro, and Ivan Rodriguez.

All of this amounted to a huge black eye for the sport, but before Congress, Selig expressed satisfaction that a new program of year-round testing was in place. “All this business about you should have known or you could have known, I take very seriously, but the programs have kicked in, and we’re going to have to do whatever we have to do to eradicate steroids from our sport,” Selig said. The penalties for failing a test were strengthened later that year in cooperation with the players’ association, with the minimum suspension for a first offense increased from 10 days to 50 games.

The December 2007 Mitchell Report implicated 89 then-current and former players as having used PEDs, a number that almost certainly represented just the tip of the iceberg, as it was compiled with the cooperation of a few individuals such as personal trainer Brian McNamee and clubhouse employee Kirk Radomski, who detailed their networks within the game. The report also detailed the claims of general managers Sandy Alderson (A’s), Brian Sabean (Giants), and Kevin Towers (Padres) that they were not aware of the PED usage on their respective teams or by their stars, though Mitchell also included accounts of other executives voicing suspicions about their own players and potential acquisitions.

The outlines of this oft-told story echo in the emergence of electronic sign-stealing and commissioner Rob Manfred’s reaction to the story’s unfolding. As detailed by The Athletic, while televisions have been permitted inside of baseball clubhouses and locker rooms for decades, allowing the occasional effort to decode a signal, the 2014 introduction of video replay rooms, where teams could quickly review plays and decide whether to challenge umpires’ rulings on the field, gave teams access to multiple tools and camera angles in closer proximity to dugouts. Inevitably, at a time when teams were using various technologies in search of the most minute advantages elsewhere, the video systems were deployed for such means. Multiple sources told The Athletic that the Yankees began using the video replay room for sign-stealing purposes during games in 2015, and the Red Sox did likewise a year later.

At that point, the league had a broad rule prohibiting the usage of electronic equipment in sign stealing (“No equipment may be used for the purpose of stealing signs or conveying information designed to give a Club an advantage”). But despite the prohibition, there was no mechanism for enforcement, and at least some players didn’t feel as though using such means was a violation. “I’m just telling you from a broad perspective, living it, it didn’t feel that wrong,” one ex-Yankee told The Athletic. “If I could figure out the signs from the telecast, I was not going to hold on to that information. I was going to share that with whomever.”

The practice seemed to fall into that same gray area as pitchers using sticky substances to improve their grip on the ball — acceptable when done tacitly — and it spread from team to team. As one AL executive told The Athletic, “Oftentimes it takes a player to show up and be like ‘You f—— morons, you’re not doing this?”

In September 2017, the Yankees and Red Sox engaged in a tussle centered around electronic sign stealing that prompted Manfred to act. The Yankees gave the commissioner’s office footage of a Red Sox athletic trainer looking at an Apple Watch in the dugout and relaying messages to players, a violation of the aforementioned rule. The Red Sox, then managed by John Farrell, admitted to wrongdoing but claimed that team management was not aware of what was happening. In a counter-complaint, the team claimed that the Yankees used a YES Network camera improperly.

While MLB did not find evidence to substantiate that claim, the league did find that the Yankees had used their dugout phone improperly in a past season. Manfred fined both teams and said in a statement, “All 30 clubs have been notified that future violations of this type will be subject to more serious sanctions, including the possible loss of draft picks.”

In March 2018, MLB chief baseball officer Joe Torre reiterated the league’s more stringent stance in a memo to all club presidents, GMs, and assistant GM, stating in bold text, “To be clear, the use of any equipment in the clubhouse or in a Club’s replay or video rooms to decode an opposing Club’s signs during the game violates this Regulation.” However, the league did not begin to monitor team replay rooms with on-site personnel until the 2018 postseason, instead relying upon the honor system to curb such prohibited behavior. As The Athletic’s report details, those monitoring efforts, which continued through the 2019 season, varied in effectiveness throughout the league due to the inconsistent quality of personnel, and were not immune to being subverted. “We had (the monitors) in our back pocket,” one Red Sox source told The Athletic. “If we wanted to whisper something or they walked out, then we could do something if we needed to.”

The Red Sox did not comment on Tuesday’s report but issued a statement saying, “We were recently made aware of allegations suggesting the inappropriate use of our video replay room. We take these allegations seriously and will fully cooperate with MLB as they investigate the matter.” It’s a rather boilerplate statement implying that Sox officials were unaware of what was going on in their clubhouse and dugout. That’s worth questioning, to say the least, given the team’s involvement in the Apple Watch matter and their own 2018 complaint about a man named Kyle McLaughlin. While wearing a credential issued by the Astros, McLaughlin was caught taking photographs near the Red Sox dugout during the ALCS, and he had previously been spotted doing the same for the Indians’ dugout during the Division Series. Those in glass houses, etc.

As for the Astros, they were using a more advanced setup during the 2017 season, one in which a monitor placed in the tunnel between the home dugout and clubhouse in Minute Maid Park showed a feed from a television camera in center field. Team employees and players would watch a feed focused on opposing catchers’ signs and signal the expected pitch to batters by banging on a metal trash can. Soon afterwards, video of a specific example described in The Athletic’s article surfaced, showing White Sox pitcher Danny Farquhar recognizing the sound, stepping off the mound, conferring with his catcher and changing the signs. Rosenthal and Drellich later reported that Cora and Astros DH Carlos Beltrán played key roles in devising the system. Beltrán, who was in his final major league season, claimed that the Astros did nothing wrong, while Cora declined comment. Now, it’s not hard to connect the dots: Beltrán played for the Yankees from 2014-16 before being traded to the Rangers late in the latter year, and as noted, Cora now manages the Red Sox.

At the owners’ meetings a week after The Athletic’s initial report, Manfred told reporters, “I have no reason to believe it extends beyond the Astros at this point in time.” Those words sounded naïve then, and they’re almost laughable now. “It’s an issue that permeates through the whole league,” one major league manager told Rosenthal and Drellich. “The league has done a very poor job of policing or discouraging it.”

Both PED usage and electronic sign-stealing have served as easy means for individuals trying to seize competitive advantages. Their actions weren’t entirely covert, but they flew below the radar at the time, particularly with regards to specifics and on-the-record reporting. The league introduced rules to combat the problems, albeit with minimal or flawed means of enforcement, and the abuses proliferated, particularly when individuals moved from team to team. Commissioners publicly downplayed the problem before reports surfaced to show that it was much bigger than previously believed, spurring them to take action.

Of course, key differences between the two issues exist. The PED saga unfolded across decades, in an age before the heightened scrutiny produced by round-the-clock news and social media, whereas the electronic sign-stealing matter has taken place amid a much more compressed timeline — and even with so many eyeballs watching, the specifics escaped notice until recently, save for the occasional isolated incident such as the aforementioned ones involving the Red Sox, Yankees, and Astros.

In using and distributing PEDs, players violated actual laws and may have physically harmed themselves, while in stealing signs via electronic means, players and teams were simply breaking rules, though both could well be viewed as unethical by many players, including those who called for drug testing and those, like the A’s Mike Fiers, who blew the whistle on sign-stealing. Team officials may have looked the other way at individual PED users within their own clubhouses, but they didn’t actively encourage such use or coordinate it; by the reports we’ve seen thus far, team personnel were very involved and perhaps even integral to sign-stealing efforts, in part because they believed that their opponents were trying to steal signs, too. Combatting PED usage and disciplining players required cooperation with the players’ union, as drug testing is a matter subject to collective bargaining, and carries with it a guarantee of confidentiality. While the rules that created the instant replay system are part of the CBA as well, Manfred has a freer hand when it comes to discipline than Selig did.

On that note, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported on Tuesday that MLB’s investigation into the Astros’ sign-stealing is in its final stages. “The targets for discipline will be employees of the team, including the front office and on-field coaching personnel, but will not include the players involved in the scheme,” wrote Passan, citing discussions with three players interviewed by the league. The thinking behind this, as the New York Post’s Ken Davidoff and Dan Martin explained, is that players weren’t expected to have read Manfred’s September 2017 memo. Thus it’s general manager Jeff Luhnow, manager AJ Hinch, and other employees who are likely to be in the line of fire, but presumably not Beltrán, who was named manager of the Mets in November. Cora could be in line for a punishment as well, though given the latest revelation, Manfred may wish to defer that decision pending another investigation; via Verducci, the commissioner pledged “to investigate the Red Sox allegations with the same thoroughness and vigor that we did Houston.” None of those parties, not even Beltrán, have the protection of the Players Association, because they’re not union members. Both Passan and the Post report that the league plans to issue a transparent statement upon announcing such punishment, “outlining how the team cheated, how the league went about gathering information and how Manfred arrived at the penalties,” as Passan wrote.

The expectation is that Manfred will hand down penalties severe enough to deter other teams from similar schemes, with the possible loss of multiple high draft picks also part of the punishment. For as strong as the punishment may be, the account of the Red Sox’s efforts makes clear that MLB needs to beef up its monitoring efforts with more and better-trained personnel or else completely rethink the way the replay system operates. Shutting down the video rooms and using a fifth umpire to each crew to determine review-worthy calls would be one option.

The lesson that Manfred can learn from the hard road Selig traveled when it came to PEDs — and should have learned already, particularly as he was a key Selig lieutenant — is that the commissioner’s office needs to be more proactive. It isn’t enough to hand down penalties to bad actors. Understanding that players and teams are always looking for advantages, whether the rules permit them or not, and figuring out where to draw the lines and how to enforce such lines is the key to preventing history from repeating itself.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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Cave Dameron
6 years ago

Thank you Jay, cheating is not very cool!

ScottyBMember since 2017
6 years ago

What an excellent article! Thank you for all the important context.

Brad Lipton
6 years ago

Good and informative article.

At this point, I wonder if this will be a slap-on-the-wrist punishment (i.e. 5 games for Hinch, etc.) or will this be something more drastic (i.e a year suspension for Hinch and the GM)?

ThrasiusMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Brad Lipton

What about Cora?

ejchrist
6 years ago

One key distinction between the allegations against the Astros and the Red Sox—the allegations against the Astros pre-date the September 2017 memo from the Commissioner and the Red Sox allegations are from after the memo. The memo states that “future violations of this type will be subject to more serious sanctions.” Because of this, I would expect the sanctions against the Red Sox to be more severe than those against the Astros.

JustinPBGMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Jay Jaffe

Yes, the Astros is egregious because of the severity, and the Red Sox because of the timing, so they might both be hit hard (one first then the other).

hombremomento
6 years ago

On the topic of steroids, Cano’s case was bs. Cough drops took his cough away but gave him a hiccup

DDD
6 years ago

Great context – thanks Jay! It made me think of a couple of anecdotel stories for anyone that cares to read them.

“If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’; if you get caught, you ain’t tryin’ hard enough.” I first heard this phrase in 1989 as a student in the US Army Ranger School. This primarily pertained to students having family and friends send them care packages with food smuggled in them (external sources of food were strictly forbidden). The RIs (Ranger Instructors) made it clear to all students upon their arrival that they were fully aware of all the tricks and anyone getting caught would immediately be kicked out. Nonetheless, two students in my class (that I was aware of) got caught and were immediately kicked out. One received a care package with two bottles of Wella Balsam shampoo that actually contained honey instead of shampoo. Another received some tins of shoe polish that actually contained peanut butter instead of shoe polish.

On the flip side, when I was a kid my dad used to to tell me that golf was a gentleman’s sport where honor and integrity were paramount. Anyone even suspected of cheating or not voluntarily admitting to a mistake (e.g. accidentally touching the ball with your wedge in a sand trap) should be shunned from the game.

William
6 years ago

Great read and great article. Well done!

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
6 years ago

Re steroids and an unenforceable “paper ban,” this from the 2007 Mitchell Report:

“Many have asserted that steroids and other performance enhancing substances were not banned in Major League Baseball before the 2002 Basic Agreement. This is not accurate. Beginning in 1971 and continuing today, Major League Baseball’s drug policy has prohibited the use of any prescription medication without a valid prescription. ”

“It is also inaccurate to assert, as some have, that baseball’s drug policy was not binding on players before it was added to the collective bargaining agreement. Many players were suspended for drug offenses before 2002, even though none of those suspensions related to the use of steroids or other performance enhancing substances. Some suspensions were reduced in grievance arbitrations brought by the Players Association, but no arbitrator ever has questioned the authority of the Commissioner to discipline players for ‘just cause’ based on their possession, use, or distribution of prohibited drugs.”

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
6 years ago
Reply to  Jay Jaffe

Thanks for responding, Mr. Jaffe.
I’m not sure how your response contradicts the cited comments from the Mitchell Report, if that was your intent.

The illegal drug ban started in April, 1971 with Commissioner Kuhn’s Drug Policy Memo, and was by definition binding, as illustrated by the numerous anti-drug disciplinary actions imposed and upheld in part or in their entirety during the 1980’s. So we know unequivocally that MLB players were indeed “bound by” that MLB Drug Policy — not just bound by US Law.

Then in 1991 Commissioner Fay Vincent’s own Drug Policy Memo made absolutely explicit the prohibition of illegal PEDs across MLB. In Vincent’s words:

“This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs … including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription.”

Sports Illustrated’s David Epstein penned an excellent (and quite concise) overview of MLB’s steroid policy about ten years back. Link: https://www.si.com/vault/2009/02/16/105779053/the-rules-the-law-the-reality

LenFuegoMember since 2025
6 years ago

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson:

Mr. Jaffe’s prime work for some years has been and continues to be analysis of and publishing of material regarding player qualification for entry to the Baseball Hall of Fame. The economic value of that work, and therefore Mr. Jaffe’s livelihood and income level, depends on generating and maintaining audience interest in reading about that topic. Given the inherent biases, it would be very surprising if Mr. Jaffe was not a vociferous steroids use apologist — after all, if a player is deemed unworthy of Hall entry because of steroid use, there is little or no need (or market) for analysis of their playing career — and indeed that plays itself out in his work. His analysis other than that is quite excellent however.

mikejuntMember
6 years ago

Because you two are talking about different things. You’re talking about policy statements; stuff written on paper. Yes, MLB had said people shouldn’t use any illegal drugs, which includes steroids.

Jay is talking about enforcement and practical policy. I do not know if you have any supervisory experience in the workplace in your life, but one of the basic principles of rules is that they are worthless if you don’t enforce them consistently. If it is your policy that your employees cannot have their cell phones on their person, but you let everyone do it anyway, you will have a hard time holding one person to account for that misdeed. HR departments do not back those kinds of discipline: the blame goes to the leader who allowed the environment.

If you want a rule to have value, you have to enforce it consistently and evenly.

MLB made rules on paper, and then actively looked the other way even in extreme instances when they could have justified enforcement. They did so because they had no interest in opening the can of worms. Once the can was opened by the media and congress, they changed their song, and tried to hang the players who had operated in their lawless environment.

But it is the leadership that are to blame for that environment. They were not unaware of steroids; they were occasionally making unenforced policy statements about them. They chose to look the other way because of the enormous benefits they were getting (such as McGwire/Sosa) and only turned on the players who were using when they stopped perceiving their use as a benefit to the league.

That is why it is so egregious that people want to keep folks like Bonds out of the Hall of Fame, but they have already chosen to enshrine the very leader responsible for creating the environment: Bud Selig. Selig is more culpable for the PED area than any individual player. If he can be enshrined despite that, then they should be enshrined as well.

Now, what do you do when you make a lawless environment? You re-state the rule, and your intention to enforce it going forward. You give folks notice that you will now be enforcing this, and you start your enforcement from that statement.

MLB did exactly that around electronic rules violations in 2017. They were then forced to go further and install personnel in the 2018 playoffs because the abuses persisted anyway. That is the proper way to clean up that kind of abuse, and the people who acted out of turn after being notified that this issue was being taken seriously and monitored, or those who did so after being personnally warned (like the Red Sox) have extra exposure.

In the Astros case, there is a precedent to set: The Astros did a bunch of stuff that is illegal that no other team has been accused of (most significantly: installing a private camera feed and not giving access to that video to the rest of the league, in a league where video sharing is obligatory). So the Astros are a precedent question: No one has broken some of those rules ever, and MLB has the opportunity to show everyone else how they’re going to enforce those rules going forward. That is why they’re taking so long, and why the punishment is likely to be severe – if they set a precedent for severity, they can be severe every time going forward.

The Red Sox may have done only what a bunch of other teams were doing, but they already had a close encounter and warning on the issue, so their penalties may exceed what a ‘first time offender’ doing only what was widespread would incur.

Hope this makes sense.

JoserMember since 2021
6 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Excellent contribution, mikejunt. I’d just add that this kind of distinction in rule-breaking — having undiscovered bad actors on a team, vs. allowing an environment to devolve into “anything goes” — is the distinction we see in NCAA sanctions, which distinguish between the former (“failure-to-monitor violations”) and the latter (“lack-of-institutional-control violations”). For all my (many) problems with the NCAA, they have been doing this for a while with even stricter rules (albeit often with Selig-esque levels of inconsistency and somnolent reactivity), and it always helps to look to other examples. The NCAA framework may be based in part on schools’ in loco parentis role with regards to their “student athletes” but conceptually the distinction still makes a lot of sense.

mikejuntMember
6 years ago
Reply to  Joser

That’s a good framework and also a good framework to understand why the Astros are likely to pay: some of their additional infractions, like the video camera and the computer next to the dugout, could not possibly exist without the knowledge of executives. Negligence/lack of control vs complicity. It will be very hard for them to claim that it was just some people doing something they shouldn’t without telling anyone – Luhnow and friends could not possibly have not known about a computer in a hallway that mysteriously vanished after each game.

Similarly, the video camera is an entirely separate issue – in this case, it was used for illegal activity, but it’s illegal even if it were used for legal activity, because it’s not shared. They will set a precedent that ensures no team is tempted to set up a proprietary camera to capture any other information they don’t want to share with the other teams, whether that be for PD purposes, scouting purposes, etc.

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
6 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Thanks for taking the time to pen such a thorough post, Mike. I have a few thoughts, on your thoughts.

“MLB made rules on paper, and then actively looked the other way even in extreme instances when they could have justified enforcement. They did so because they had no interest in opening the can of worms.”

MLB in the person of Bowie Kuhn and other commissioners did set (and also enforce) the first MLB Drug Policy, as set forth in 1971. But as for looking the other way, you are not describing MLB here. You are describing one person, Bud Selig. Selig was to the steroid era as crooked Chicago cops were to Al Capone’s booze empire in Chicago. Selig was an enabler, even an accomplice. But, not unlike Capone, the illegal PED users were the lawbreakers and thus the central problem, not Selig.

I’m sure you’ll agree that just because a LOT of Chicago cops, judges, and pols looked the other way for years, that did not legitimize Capone’s actions in any way.

“They chose to look the other way because of the enormous benefits they were getting (such as McGwire/Sosa) and only turned on the players who were using when they stopped perceiving their use as a benefit to the league.”

I could not agree more. If by “they” you mean Selig.

“That is why it is so egregious that people want to keep folks like Bonds out of the Hall of Fame, but they have already chosen to enshrine the very leader responsible for creating the environment: Bud Selig. Selig is more culpable for the PED area than any individual player.”

Along with Donald Fehr, Selig was more culpable than anyone for perpetuating the PED era, that’s for sure. But he wasn’t the injector and ingestor, the numbers thief, the rules abuser. Adults are of course responsible for their own behavior, regardless of temptation. Despite this environment you cite, many, many players did NOT cheat with illegal PEDs. But I would argue that someone indirectly cheats them, Mike, every time they advocate for the enshrinement of Bonds and his illegal PED brethren in the Hall Of Fame.

“If he (Selig) can be enshrined despite that, then they should be enshrined as well.”

Sportswriter Susan Slusser has gone on record as saying that Selig’s enshrinement was a tacit endorsement of the users of illegal PEDs; unless I’m mistaken she even said that it made her change her vote in favor of the known illegal PED users. (I might say to Ms. Slusser that two wrongs don’t make a right. But let’s skip that for now.)

But here’s the thing. There were other people on that ballot with Selig. Mark McGwire was on the same ballot as Selig that year. Same ballot, and the same voters. Mark McGwire, with 583 homers and over 60 career WAR. Twelve-time All-Star, Mark McGwire. McGwire, with 170 points on the Bill James HOF Monitor, where 100 points equals likely enshrinement. Nice guy by all accounts, too. Simply put, easily a Hall Of Fame career.

And McGwire received virtually no support at all. I’d call that a more than tacit refutation of the illegal PED users. I’d call it resounding.

The Duke
6 years ago

I’ve never seen a bit of evidence that Selig knew what was going on. For older people, injecting oneself in a bathroom stall with god-knows-what was probably not a life experience they understood in much the same way my parents didn’t understand marijuana

There’s a key difference between PEDs and sign-stealing. PEDs is a hidden activity done by players who knew they couldn’t be found out because it was illegal. Sign stealing is a team organized event led by management and coaches.

There are complaints every day to the MLB about illicit sign-stealing. Do you think teams were making similar complaints about PED usage to Selig? Doubtful

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
6 years ago

I think it is a little overly simplistic to say it was not MLB but Bud Selig to blame. It was MLB. Bud acted more or less as the owner’s agent while he served as commissioner. Yes he is the one who could have acted so I’m more than comfortable holding him accountable, but I strongly suspect the owner’s were not passive bystanders. Nor were the players. Nor even the press and the fans of baseball. It was more like a cancer. It started mostly small and unremarkable, eventually it was clear something wasn’t right but we didn’t want to deal with it, then it got too ugly and painful to ignore. Fortunately the patient is stable but there might be other health problems and maybe this time the patient won’t play ignorance.

The Duke
6 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Well-reasoned and I agree. I’m not one to get into the “vacate the title” nonsense but I think mlb will need to keel-haul a few prominent names and deliver a damaging enough monetary/draft choice fine that no one will be tempted to donor again. The Braves Latin America example setting will likely be the template

Llewdor
6 years ago

I don’t see how Alex Cora doesn’t take the fall for both of these.

fjtorres
6 years ago
Reply to  Llewdor

As long as he’s not alone…
Sign stealing isn’t a one man operation.
They need to ding everybody who knew and participated, actively or passively.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

100%, including the scouts and analysts. whoever cheated, gone. pretty simple. will stop it from ever happening again.

Spa City
6 years ago
Reply to  Llewdor

If nothing else comes out of this mess, I have to assume Cora will at least lose his job.

fjtorres
6 years ago
Reply to  Spa City

Hinch, too?

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

for sure,all of them will. hinch and lunhow.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  Llewdor

fn bs if you think hinch and astros players will get away with it.

Tea_Wreck
6 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

It even says in the article it’s likely the players will get away with it.

mikejuntMember
6 years ago

This is quite good, and it aligns with something I was trying to explain to someone yesterday:

A big problem with these video room shenanigans is that the sign-stealing aspect was forbidden, but there were other, legal advantages that teams could be looking for while looking at the exact same things: most notably, pitch tipping information.

If you’re going to try and use video to figure out pitch tipping, it requires almost no effort to further try and steal signs at the same time – in fact, the sign stealing info speeds up your pitch tipping analysis, and they are synergetic.

I would not be surprised to learn at the end of all this that what happened to Yu Darvish in the 2017 World Series was that the Astros incidentally detected his pitch tipping while analyzing the signs, and were able to use that information to crush him regardless of venue (eg including game 7). Persuing the legal and illegal advantages involves doing the same tasks in the same place looking at the same videos – even the same -parts of the same videos-. It’s no wonder probably every team took inappropriate steps in the video room at some point.

The Astros went quite a bit further – separate stations, signalling, installation of additional cameras – that will compound their situation quite a bit more than the ‘what everyone was doing’ stuff.

fjtorres
6 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

The verbotten aspect of the “video sheanigans” is the “during the game” part.
Pitch-tipping is actually best identified by advanced scouts, not while tge guy is on the mound. That’s actually late.

mikejuntMember
6 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Sure, but once identified, you have to watch for the tipping, and the players in the dugout and on the mound have a limited field of view to do so. Access to the other cameras pointed at the pitcher can make it easier to see small tells, for example, or to monitor the pitcher to see if he is making any changes or potentially noticing his own tell.

Not every pitch tipping tell is as obvious as a foot of glove position above or below the belt like some of the videos we’ve seen.

Further, another method of pitch tipping is grip, and the cameras provide angles that may allow you to see pitch grip or glove movements that aren’t visible to the batter at all.

The live video can assist in utilizing the already discovered tells, and if you’re watching the pitcher and pitch that closely, starting to monitor the signs (which happen during the downtime in your observation!) is, frankly, quite logical.

david k
6 years ago

Red Sox caught cheating, Patriots caught cheating…..hmmm……

In other related news, the Boston Celtics were caught modifying the rims so that they can expand and contract the diameter by up to 2″ depending in what direction the team was shooting, and the Boston Bruins were caught modifying the Zamboni settings to make the ice softer in their opponents’ attack zone to slow down the rush.

Ok, I had my fun for the day.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago

anyone who cheated, players, gms, scouts etc. should be banned from the game. I don’t care what team. Everyone knew it was cheating and wrong and they still did it anyways. Ban them all. Garuntee you it would never happen again if they did that. MLB won’t though, they are too pc being hq in NY,NY and don’t want to hurt anyones feelings.

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
6 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

Chris Correa was banned for life. And more significantly, Atlanta General Manager John Coppolella was banned for life just two years ago. So there’s plenty of precedent for banishment from the sport.

The Patriots got gently wrist-slapped for their initial Spygate transgressions years ago. And we’ve seen the result. They just keep on cheating, over & over & over, and winning numerous half-fraudulent titles in the process. Manfred has the authority and the precedent to cut the heads off the snakes here — whether it’s GMs or managers or anyone else along the hierarchy chain.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago

agree. it all started with the astros….and their minions have taken it everywhere including cora when left and went to the red sox. Others are now having to do it if they want to beat them and win world series. Its disgusting, what these people have done. made a mockery of the game.

Neils-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
6 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

Just to clarify, Guru. I disagree vehemently about punishing the players in these cases. Hence my “cut the head off the snake” analogy. Go to the top.

Then chop.

CRPerry13
6 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

“It all started with the Astros”

OK, apparently you have inside information proving that statement that hasn’t been shared with the rest of us. Please share!

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  CRPerry13

well considering cora took it from the stros to red sox, then we at least know for a fact the astros were before the red sox. as far as i know thats the only two teams being investigated. so yeah..the astros started it and everyone invloved should be banned. made a mockery of the gam.e

Jimmie Foxxalorian
6 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

@The Guru, based on what you suggest, all teams would be banned. Although it appears most teams attempt this type of cheating, a substantial deterrent must be made, and fair or not, the Red Sox (and Cora) will likely bear the brunt of whatever that punishment is. It is a complicated issue to diagnose when every team is likely attempting to use technology for some type of advantage.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago

they are now that astros started it and cora then left the stros and took it to boston. all players and gm and managers including cheating players should be banned and shamed from playing ever again. ban them at least 320-480 game suspension for players. they stole a world series and mvp awards. fn sickening.

Luy
6 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

The stretching people will do in order to make something about their personal political bugaboo (“too pc”) is always entertaining.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
6 years ago

“The targets for discipline … will not include the players involved in the scheme”

Translation: We’re hoping that this will all just go away.

Frankly, this is outrageous. They knew they were cheating and should be held accountable.

fjtorres
6 years ago

Suspensions for players would not be out of line.
They may not have seen the memo in person but it was discussed in the sports media during the Boston-NY finger-pointing.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

they knew it was illegal and did it anyway. ban them 320 games min.

tung_twista
6 years ago

From the MLB’s perspective, the priority is not necessarily meeting out “justice”, but rather preventing similar situations from happening.
Punishing players just opens up a whole new can of worms (did this guy who got 20 PAs in 2017 know and if so, how much should he get punished?) that is going to be super messy and make everybody unhappy.
And it also has the strategic incentive of dissuading players from lying and covering up in similar instances.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

If the priority is preventing it from happening, there needs to be consequences for players.

Otherwise the incentive is clear: Do it anyway, but try not to get caught. But even if you do, so what? You were helped on the field while doing it, and not harmed on the field for getting caught. And if the team gets fined a few million? Big deal. That’s peanuts for these organizations. (Or put another way, if they’re willing to drop a few million for a bench guy with very marginal use, money on fines for this sort of behavior would seem to be much better spent.)

Morris Buttermaker
6 years ago

The fix is easy. No replay rooms for the purpose of challenging. The challenge system was set up to correct obviously incorrect calls (think Armando Galeraga) not break down a bang bang play for 5 minutes. The manager should have to decide whether or not to challenge based on what he observes and input from the player involved.

WoundedSprinterMember since 2018
6 years ago

Close, but I think not close enough. Evidence (preferably speedy) to challenge is a good thing for baseball in general.

Cheating … is not. So, here’s my proposal, and I think you’ll like it. If you, as a team, are caught stealing signs through illicit technology such as replay rooms, garbage cans, or even a heartfelt prayer to His Noodliness — you lose the option of the replay room for the following season. No ifs, no buts.

If this happens to my Red Sox, I’m fine with it.

And if Alex gets a meaningless fine or a meaningless ban (assuming guilt), then I’m fine with that, too.

But it wouldn’t be enough to force team owners to address the problem. I humbly submit that something like my proposition would force team owners to address the problem.

DougMember since 2019
6 years ago

How DARE you suggest that His Noodliness would deign to interfere in a baseball game!

carterMember since 2020
6 years ago

That makes a lot of sense.

baubo
6 years ago

Taking away technology to teams to me is the stupid way to prevent cheating. But it is in line with how baseball likes to operate. Just make technology not exist on the field and hope no one secretly use them. In contrast to NBA or NFL where teams are all allowed to use any technology they want to help them win and shockingly, teams can use them without going into the realm of cheating.

The answer is quite simple. If catcher and pitcher dont have to use archaic hand signals in front of thousands of spectators in game and millions of spectators on TV, then no one would he able to cheat. But that would mean incorporating technology on field and god knows that would be blasphemous

manormachine
6 years ago

Does this mean that in a few years we will have voters who won’t vote anyone from the ’10s into the Hall because they are all under suspicion of sign stealing and we can’t sort out who benefited from those who abstained?

RonnieDobbs
6 years ago
Reply to  manormachine

I would imagine some will.

Green Mountain Boy
6 years ago

1. Stealing signs is not using steroids or HGH. If you have to use the inflated comparison ploy to make your point, your point isn’t worth making. Not cool! Lazy, but not cool. You’re way better than that, Jay. I know you are.
2. Stealing signs has gone on ever since someone invented signs. I suppose, by your logic, when a team pitches out because they stole the other teams steal sign and prevented a stolen base, that should be illegal too? After all, it is called a *stolen* base. Maybe the commissioner should give out participation trophies to everyone who doesn’t steal signs too.
3. Baseball has become a mega-billion-dollar business. As with any huge business with big money on the line, you look for every little edge you can get, like sabermetrics for example. As someone mentioned, if you aren’t stretching the rules, you’re not trying. Get over it.
4. Not to defend the Red Sox, but didn’t their scheme require a runner to be on second? I’d be curious to know for what percentage of opposing team pitches did they actually have a runner on second. And I wouldn’t think they’d bother in blowouts, so factor that in. And I assume only in home games. Factor that in too. So what’s the true percentage?
5. Also not to defend the Red Sox, so what happened last season if 2018 was due to sign stealing?
6. Finally, if word is out that team X is stealing signs, you’d be irresponsible if you didn’t do everything in your power to make sure team X couldn’t steal yours. It’s not that difficult, trust me. I’ll spell it out. If team X is stealing your signs, that’s on you. Do your job. Fix it and stop whining. And if you don’t know another team is doing it or how to fix it, you probably shouldn’t be managing a major league ballclub.

So how to put an end to it if you know your opponent is doing it? Also simple, and self-policing. Cross up the other batter every now and then. Let the other team clearly see the sign for a curveball, but come in with a heater at the ribs. Or drop a slider on the outside corner when they expect fastball. I prefer the first choice, but either way will work. Trust me, you do that a couple of times and all of a sudden your signs aren’t being stolen any more.

Green Mountain Boy
6 years ago
Reply to  Jay Jaffe

Jay, let me first say that I’ve always respected your writing. In fact, you’re one of the best out there. My opinion (OPINION!) is simply that I don’t think this is your best work. No, I know it isn’t. That’s simply meant as constructive criticism. Take it for what you will, but that’s how I meant it.

Actually, I did fully read the piece. And although it wasn’t the focus of my response, I will grant you the fact that MLB has chronically had their head in the sand, or up their behind, or whatever metaphor you want to use. I don’t disagree. That’ll never change. Unfortunately.

I have two points I was trying to bring out in my initial post: First, the game is evolving, as it always has. Technology is a part of that now, as is launch angle, spin rate, barrels, and on and on and on. If someone is exploiting an edge, it’s up to those who are affected by it and make a living at it to counter. That’s all. No need for commissioner intervention,

Second, I question the actual on-the-field effect. Everything else has been reduced to numbers, so reduce this one. Simply stated, how large (or small) is the effect? Back up your contention with data. What’s is stealing signs’ WAR? Is it one game? Five? Ten? Yes, it does matter. Are we yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater, or are we adding one stick of straw to a bale? IT MATTERS! If the former, how does baseball deal with this issue going forward? If it’s the latter, should baseball waste time on this issue? Yeah, it happened. So what? What’s the actual effect, and is it significant?

I suppose we can agree to disagree on “how signs are stolen”. It seems you’re saying: manual=boys being boys, electronic=unacceptable. To me, that’s a tough hill to defend, that’s all I’m saying. Times change. For example, I prefer high contact hitters to three true outcomes guys, but MLB in 2020 isn’t that way. Eventually it’ll swing back. If it doesn’t, who cares? It’s still the greatest game ever invented. I’ll adapt.

More legislation isn’t the answer to every (perceived) problem.

vbjd1111Member since 2019
6 years ago

“Get over it.” “You’re lazy.” “You’re better than that.” “It’s not that difficult, trust me. I’ll spell it out.”

Sorry, your points get lost in the disrespect you show others.

Green Mountain Boy
6 years ago
Reply to  vbjd1111

You miss the point. My reply was worded the way it was in order to get people to think, not out of any “disrespect”. Don’t be so sensitive. Use. Your. Brain. And yeah, I WAS challenging Jay, because I KNOW he’s better than that. I’ve read his work. For years. And loved it. Did you ever think that if I didn’t have great respect for him, I wouldn’t have even bothered to call him out on what I perceived?

Baseball, like life, is not best served by “problem, reaction, legislation” types of solutions all of the time. After playing, coaching, and watching the game for decades, I’ve learned that it’s the ultimate self-correcting entity. That’s part of why I love it. Let’s allow it time to self-correct electronic sign stealing. And it will. I gave an example of how. I’m sure there are others that don’t involve more rules and-or regulations.

fjtorres
6 years ago

This isn’t about on-field personnel stealing signs via eyeball but about crafting elaborate systems using technology.
Very specific.
The 54 Giants would be liable but a hitter stealing a look at the catcher’s glove mid-AB wouldn’t. Not then, not today. They would be risking a high tight one, though. 🙂
Some things the players police, others they need the league to step up.

Jimmie Foxxalorian
6 years ago

This is a really fascinating article, and thank you for providing some really neat historical details that help greatly with the context of what teams have done in the past in attempting to gain an advantage.

As one of the Fenway Faithful who attended the 2018 World Series and a good chunk of the games that season, this story saddens me. I hate to see an asterisk placed on such an epic year for the Sox, and it will be impossible to know how much the cheating helped them win games. To a certain degree, the Red Sox are simply guilty of being caught, if its true everyone else is doing it. But cheating is bad, and even if everyone’s doing it, that still doesn’t make it right. If its true they cheated, the Sox deserve some type of punishment as an organization, because, 1) its in baseball’s best interest for the good of the sport, and 2) it’s necessary as a deterrent against other teams continuing similar types of cheating.

Stealing signs and the art of how you do that has a long history in this game, but blatant misuse of video feeds to communicate signs directly to hitters is taking the original ass-buzzer method and evolving it via technology to a new level of sophisticated intent at cheating. I hate to say it, but enough is enough. MLB needs to set a strong example in whatever discipline is administered.

Green Mountain Boy
6 years ago

I admire your idealism, and I honestly wish that was the way things are. As a young man I was an idealist too, and I respect that. But sadly, that’s not how the world works. Life has winners and life has losers, and all of us play both roles at one time or another.

Red Sox fans waited 86 years for the 2004 World Series title. Was that Red Sox team “clean”? No flipping way!!! They were ‘roided up just like every other team of the era. Name them? Okay. Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Varitek, Trot Nixon, Pedro Martinez, for starters. Maybe more. Likely more. Does that taint their accomplishment? Not one bit. Why? Same as my point on this sign-stealing issue. They did it to be competitive with all the other teams that were doing it. To level the playing field. The game self-correcting.

Enjoy that championship, enjoy 2007, enjoy 2013, and most of all enjoy 2018. Yeah, in an ideal world cheating is bad, but if everyone’s doing it, do you object to teams “leveling the playing field”? You shouldn’t. Baseball is a game, a GAME. Not politics, and most certainly not reality. All those championships the Yankees won from the 1940s through the early 1960s because they had more money than every other club to sign every decent prospect they could find… were those tainted? It’s easy to argue yes, they were. And you’d have a point. But they also exploited an advantage they had ($$$). They’d be stupid not to. What’s wrong with that?

I reckon that if push came to shove and any of us owned an MLB franchise and had the resources to give us an advantage, however slight, we’d all exploit it. Just like the Astros. Just like the Red Sox. Just like the Yankees way back when. Be honest.

david k
6 years ago

@Green Mountain Boy: you seem to be in favor of “self correcting” and not adding more rules to follow. So do you think it was wrong for MLB to make rules about ster\oids? Why or why not?

Phil LeeMember since 2016
6 years ago

You’d be playing the loser in this argument

RonnieDobbs
6 years ago

I wonder how many teams that didn’t win World Series have engaged in all the same practices. One key difference is that PEDs were used by individuals and these accusations are against teams. It is not fair to indict every player in the organization although I don’t know how that is supposed to get worked out. We don’t know that every team isn’t doing something similarly illegal. Some are surely doing illegal things that fall into a different category. The fact that this junk comes out after the fact makes me uneasy. Honestly I am not sure how this problem is supposed to be remedied with all of the trends in the way technology is being utilized in the game. Do consider for just a fraction of a second that this is a product of the data revolution – more cameras and sensors are going to lead to more of this. There will be fallout in all shapes and sizes. Personally, I think it is more of a modern reality than something that a few evil teams did. The problem here is how quickly data is being analyzed and reported… which is kind of what much of analytics strives for.

Where do you draw the arbitrary lines for cheating? I think using replay to steal signs is cheating, but you could probably call a lot of things cheating if you wanted to… I have no doubt that we will in the future. For example, I don’t think using steroids is cheating. Is eating an excessive amount of fiber cheating? The list of banned chemicals is arbitrary as is the bar that players need to clear to be clean or dirty. I get why people consider steroids cheating, but it is a performance enhancer and has little in common with corking bats, Vagisil on the bill of a cap or sign stealing. Is a pitcher tipping pitches cheating? How clear does it have to be to not be cheating? Is a catcher flashing the signs in clear sight cheating? Is elite pitch recognition cheating? In the case of steroids, they made up standards after the fact so this should not be so easily dismissed. I would bet that not every player was using the information. I am also certain that the significance of this is all overstated – hence the allegations against WS winners as opposed to a team like the Orioles. From the few times I have heard real players talk about tipping pitches, at least half of them don’t want the information because it isn’t certain to be correct.

I would argue that the lesson to be learned from Selig is that MLB should protect its assets, not light them on fire. How can one argue that Selig managed the situation correctly? One of the greatest eras of all time is just gone from history and it was a huge black eye on the game. Selig could have handled things more privately and/or implemented a half-assed testing policy, but instead it turned into a federal investigation on steroids . I am just now thinking about this, but MLB will never make it back to the steroid era in terms of fan popularity – it will lap that era in terms of money but fans will never get anything like that again. I imagine if they didn’t alienate all those fans back then, they probably would very much object to the way MLB is run these days. MLB would be wise to slowly implement change and have some respect for the game that they supposedly represent. Vilifying players and teams should be something that MLB takes every opportunity to prevent. Instant replay was a terrible idea when it was conceived and I really couldn’t be happier to see it creating problems. Blowing up instant replay would be the easiest solution as I think the game is trending towards more of these kind of problems and that is one way this could be solved. Up until the steroid era things had stayed the same for a long time and change was thoughtful and not surprisingly it worked. It should surprise nobody to see half-baked ideas blowing up and that is MLB’s signature move over the past decade. Lets see what comes from robot umpires!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

Perhaps this is said somewhere in the piece and I just missed it, but it seems like it deserves to be mentioned explicitly: The biggest difference is that sign-stealing was organized by the team itself, whereas the steroid use was perhaps tolerated but not explicitly organized by the team. And that seems like a pretty big difference. I don’t know what that means in terms of response, but the difference between “the league” and “the teams” isn’t 100% clear now but I suspect it will be at least a little clearer soon.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

this is much worse , an order of magnitude worse than steroids.

carterMember since 2020
6 years ago

It seems like you intentionally didn’t mention Jomboy?

The Duke
6 years ago
Reply to  carter

Or Ronald Reagan. Or Charles Lindbergh. What’s up with that ?

carterMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  The Duke

Weird first two guys to think of

ArmadilloFury
6 years ago

Could MLB allow catchers and pitchers to use smart watches or a similar device to communicate pitch choice, removing the potential for any sign stealing?

evo34Member since 2023
6 years ago

Why would some one who is secretly changing the game’s equipment be expected to enforce rules fairly?

Get rid of Manfred.

Matt1685
6 years ago

Goat glands were considered a health remedy in the 20s, not a way of bulking up. Testosterone wasn’t even isolated until 1935, according to wikipedia. And the negative health effects of steroids were not known until many years after that, and those negative effects are the only reason they are illegal today. So Babe Ruth was not in any more of a gray area pursuing goat gland therapy than a modern ballplayer is pursuing a gluten free diet. If in 50 years we find out that a lack of gluten gives people a performance advantage but also gives them long-term health problems we cant turn around and say those athletes that are pursuing it now were in any sort of gray area.

Brad Lipton
6 years ago

Maybe I am way off, but couldn’t there be a little voice transmitter in a pitchers glove and he speaks into it (essentially hiding his mouth while he speaks) and that goes into the catchers helmet. The catcher would then nod when an acceptable selection is made. Or something like that. At this point, only the pitcher and catcher would be in communication.

I can also easily see a future where a pitcher’s cap had communication technology and he could speak to the pitching coach (or someone) about pitch calls, etc. (like they do in football).

But I know this is the MLB, so it will take until 2030 (the earliest) to implement something like this…

DougMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  Brad Lipton

Look for the next CBA to have a long term and “protection” from anything MLB might “want” to implement.

Jay Lepley
6 years ago

I really enjoyed this article. I found it well-organized, well-researched, insightful and thought-provoking. Thank you, Jay!

It seems to me that cheating is distinct from unethical behavior. Cheating is the violation of the rules of the game. Unethical behavior is being inconsiderate of others and the violation of a person’s highest vision for himself. Both the rules of the game and one’s moral code are arbitrary standards, one imposed externally, the other internally.

MLB cannot “legislate morality”, but it can, and must, determine the vision for its product through clear communication and enforcement of rules. However, the vision for its product is perpetually subject to reevaluation. It begs the question, what is the game’s purpose–entertainment? Something else? I’m pleased that MLB is trying to restore the integrity of game and hope its response to the teams’ infractions helps do so.

I also laud the obvious passion of the Astros, Red Sox and Yankees organizations. I love that they really care. But I expect they will eventually come to see there is a larger prize than winning a championship; just as I’m confident that our society will eventually value something more than the traditional markers of worldly success.

How much satisfaction is derived from cheating to win? What behaviors and choices are in alignment with our highest vision for ouselves? I think that only those behaviors and choices will ultimately result in the satisfaction we all seek.

billh
6 years ago

This is a really great article Jay. Registered an account just to say that. Thank you.