My 2023 National League Rookie of the Year Ballot

The first of MLB’s major awards to be announced for 2023, the Rookie of the Year awards, were given out Monday evening, with Arizona’s Corbin Carroll and Baltimore’s Gunnar Henderson taking the laurels in the NL and AL races, respectively.
Getting inappropriately annoyed with year-end awards — more specifically in 1995, the year Mo Vaughn beat Albert Belle in the AL and Dante Bichette confusingly finished second in the NL — was one of the things that got me reading Usenet. A high schooler at the time, I had little idea that it was the start of a surprising career path. And even back then, I was frustrated that the writers who voted for these awards didn’t always make convincing arguments about their picks and, occasionally, offered no justifications at all.
I still believe that this kind of transparency is crucial for the legitimacy of any type of award. This is ostensibly an expert panel; if it’s not, there’s no purpose for the award to exist. As such, a secret ballot is not appropriate the way I believe it is for, say, a presidential or parliamentary election. So, as usual, this is my explanation (or apologia depending on your point of view) of why I voted the way I did. I don’t expect 100% of people to agree with my reasoning, which I doubt has happened for any opinion I’ve expressed ever, but that doesn’t mean I don’t owe you, the reader, the details of my vote.
This is my fifth Rookie of the Year vote. Previously, I gave my first-place votes to Spencer Strider, Trevor Rogers, Pete Alonso, and Corey Seager. This year, my ballot, starting at the top, was Carroll, the Mets’ Kodai Senga, and the Reds’ Matt McLain. Let’s start at the top. I’m also including preliminary 2024 ZiPS projections because, hey, why not? (They didn’t have any bearing on my vote, nor did the preseason projections.)
The Easy Part: Corbin Carroll
My last two first-place votes were close for me, and it took a while to decide on them. But this one was the easiest since Seager in 2016 (and I’m not forgetting Alonso versus Michael Soroka). Everyone expected Carroll to steamroll the league, and that’s just what he did. And while he didn’t have a Mike Trout-esque rookie season, who does?
For much of the season, Carroll logically was part of the MVP discussion, though by the time September rolled around, Ronald Acuña Jr. and Mookie Betts had an obvious advantage, with Freddie Freeman and Matt Olson being clearly superior, too. But if I had voted for the NL MVP, Carroll would have still landed somewhere in the back of my ballot. He hit .285/.362/.506, clubbed 25 homers and stole 50 bases, and played all three outfield positions at least respectably. He is the type of player for whom the phrase “speed kills” makes sense, because his skill set is broad enough that he can actually weaponize that speed. For the season, he was seventh in sprint speed, had dominating baserunning numbers beyond stolen bases, and in 90-foot splits, he was bested only by Elly De La Cruz.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .279 | .362 | .485 | 555 | 99 | 155 | 27 | 12 | 21 | 90 | 61 | 141 | 39 | 129 | 10 | 5.4 |
| 2025 | .275 | .359 | .480 | 571 | 104 | 157 | 28 | 10 | 23 | 94 | 64 | 139 | 39 | 127 | 10 | 5.4 |
| 2026 | .272 | .358 | .474 | 570 | 104 | 155 | 28 | 9 | 23 | 95 | 65 | 133 | 37 | 125 | 10 | 5.2 |
| 2027 | .273 | .361 | .479 | 568 | 105 | 155 | 29 | 8 | 24 | 95 | 67 | 129 | 36 | 127 | 9 | 5.4 |
| 2028 | .272 | .363 | .479 | 566 | 105 | 154 | 29 | 8 | 24 | 94 | 69 | 125 | 33 | 128 | 9 | 5.3 |
The Still Pretty Easy Part: Kodai Senga
I’m inclined to like Senga considerably more than his WAR simply because he has a significant history of outperforming his peripherals in Japan as well, so there’s more basis for believing in his ERA than for the typical pitcher in this position. Because of that, I’m closer to bWAR on Senga (4.4) than I am to fWAR. If forced at gunpoint to name the Dan’s Brain WAR for Senga, I’d probably put him at 3.8–4.0 or so. Also, that’s a very weird use of a firearm.
There’s always a writer or two who complains about Japanese players being eligible for the RoY award, but I think the idea that they shouldn’t be is preposterous. Nippon Professional Baseball appears a bit closer to the majors than Triple-A ball in the U.S. is — something like Triple-A 1/2 — but it’s a very different kind of league. While Triple-A hitters may be easier than NPB hitters, you’re also facing a rather different style of play and plate approaches, and now that some of the recent rule changes have hit in the majors, Triple-A ball is roughly a not-as-good MLB.
Despite facing different types of hitters, a spate of different rules, and against the backdrop of New York pressure and a collapsing team behind him, Senga was one of the few players who could really be counted on there. He had some issues with walks early on, and to his credit, he adjusted. But it wasn’t actually his control that was the issue; he actually threw more strikes earlier in the season! Instead, the issue was that after putting up an out-of-zone swing rate above 30% in each of his last two seasons in Japan, he was down in the low-20s early on with the Mets. As time went on, he got a better feel on how to lure MLB batters to their doom; in the second half, his 31.1% out-of-zone swing rate was right where it was in Japan.
| Year | W | L | ERA | FIP | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 11 | 8 | 3.63 | 3.87 | 28 | 28 | 161.0 | 132 | 65 | 18 | 76 | 190 | 122 | 3.4 |
| 2025 | 10 | 7 | 3.72 | 3.94 | 26 | 26 | 150.0 | 126 | 62 | 17 | 69 | 171 | 119 | 3.0 |
| 2026 | 9 | 7 | 3.82 | 4.06 | 24 | 24 | 141.3 | 124 | 60 | 17 | 63 | 156 | 116 | 2.7 |
| 2027 | 8 | 7 | 3.98 | 4.24 | 22 | 22 | 129.0 | 118 | 57 | 17 | 58 | 138 | 111 | 2.3 |
| 2028 | 7 | 8 | 4.21 | 4.46 | 21 | 21 | 124.0 | 118 | 58 | 17 | 56 | 128 | 105 | 1.9 |
The Excruciating Part and the Fifth Wheel: Matt McLain versus Nolan Jones versus James Outman
I don’t see Rookie of the Year as necessarily meaning Most Valuable Rookie, but as Best Rookie. As such, in a kind of small-scale examination of Hall of Fame candidates’ peak versus career numbers, I don’t necessarily think measures against replacement are as important as in the MVP voting, which has directions that more strongly imply an emphasis on quantity.
Outman was probably the most valuable of the three hitters I listed above, but he also got a lot more playing time, winning the job from the start. Both McLain and Jones out-hit him from a quality standpoint, with a 128 wRC+ from McLain, a 135 from Jones, and a 118 from Outman. I might discount this if there were evidence from their minor league time that the major league time was flukier, but both played in Triple-A just about how you’d expect from their actual major league performances. Outman was an excellent player and a big part of why the Dodgers survived the loss of a lot of players, but I would have him fifth in a larger ballot because he wasn’t quite as good as McLain or Jones. Per WAA on Baseball-Reference, both McLain and Jones were well ahead of him.
McLain versus Jones was very difficult for me, and I went back and forth on it the entire Sunday I made my vote (the last day of the season). And it still wasn’t an obvious result, more a 51%–49% judgment; if asked on a different day, I might have said Jones instead of McLain. But at the end of the day, I had to pick one. McLain hit almost as well as Jones did and played the hardest non-catcher defensive position. I don’t like deciding based on small things, but it’s inevitable if the big things can’t settle the score. The slight nudge to McLain comes on the balance of having the more valuable defensive versatility (2B/SS for him versus 3B/OF for Jones) and the fact that he played for a team that was playing higher-leverage games all season, with a deep roster of prospects that could push him off a job at any time. The Rockies, meanwhile, were a basement dweller without a lot in the cupboard.
Jones may have just missed my ballot, but it’s no negative reflection on what was an excellent season. I was quite perturbed that he didn’t start the season in Colorado, with the Rockies apparently deciding that Mike Moustakas was nine years better in age than Jones, but they at least weren’t stubborn after he crushed pitchers in the Pacific Coast League. That wRC+ of 135 was an OPS+ of 138 if you like the simpler approach, and both numbers are park-adjusted, so he was Actual Good, not merely Coors Field Good.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .245 | .332 | .444 | 482 | 73 | 118 | 25 | 4 | 21 | 83 | 55 | 148 | 18 | 107 | 3 | 3.4 |
| 2025 | .250 | .339 | .457 | 501 | 78 | 125 | 27 | 4 | 23 | 88 | 59 | 147 | 18 | 112 | 3 | 3.9 |
| 2026 | .249 | .341 | .458 | 518 | 81 | 129 | 28 | 4 | 24 | 92 | 63 | 148 | 17 | 113 | 3 | 4.1 |
| 2027 | .246 | .339 | .453 | 528 | 83 | 130 | 28 | 3 | 25 | 94 | 65 | 147 | 16 | 111 | 4 | 4.1 |
| 2028 | .244 | .339 | .445 | 528 | 83 | 129 | 28 | 3 | 24 | 93 | 66 | 146 | 14 | 109 | 4 | 4.0 |
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .272 | .366 | .485 | 474 | 77 | 129 | 30 | 4 | 21 | 80 | 66 | 157 | 13 | 118 | 3 | 3.1 |
| 2025 | .271 | .365 | .484 | 479 | 78 | 130 | 30 | 3 | 22 | 82 | 67 | 154 | 13 | 118 | 3 | 3.1 |
| 2026 | .271 | .366 | .483 | 480 | 78 | 130 | 30 | 3 | 22 | 83 | 68 | 151 | 12 | 118 | 2 | 3.0 |
| 2027 | .268 | .363 | .480 | 477 | 77 | 128 | 29 | 3 | 22 | 81 | 67 | 147 | 10 | 116 | 2 | 2.8 |
| 2028 | .266 | .362 | .474 | 466 | 75 | 124 | 28 | 3 | 21 | 78 | 66 | 143 | 9 | 115 | 2 | 2.6 |
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .244 | .337 | .437 | 501 | 85 | 122 | 22 | 3 | 23 | 79 | 62 | 185 | 12 | 108 | 3 | 3.3 |
| 2025 | .243 | .337 | .435 | 503 | 85 | 122 | 22 | 3 | 23 | 80 | 63 | 181 | 11 | 107 | 3 | 3.3 |
| 2026 | .244 | .340 | .445 | 499 | 86 | 122 | 22 | 3 | 24 | 80 | 63 | 177 | 10 | 110 | 2 | 3.5 |
| 2027 | .237 | .333 | .429 | 490 | 82 | 116 | 21 | 2 | 23 | 77 | 62 | 172 | 9 | 104 | 2 | 3.0 |
| 2028 | .234 | .330 | .417 | 475 | 78 | 111 | 20 | 2 | 21 | 72 | 60 | 166 | 8 | 100 | 2 | 2.6 |
Short on Pitching: Bobby Miller, Eury Pérez, and Andrew Abbott
Outside of Senga, no pitcher was close to making my ballot, though these three came closest. The Dodgers should be greatly pleased about having Miller’s services, but his numbers weren’t enough to balance out a rather low innings total. Pérez not being called up until May was a handicap, and while the Marlins being cautious with his workload to the extent of giving him a bit of a mini-vacation in July may be good for his future, it’s hard to give a Rookie of the Year vote to someone who threw less than 100 innings. Abbott’s mid-rotation performance was absolutely needed by the Reds, but again, not quite enough.
| Year | W | L | ERA | FIP | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 10 | 7 | 3.76 | 3.57 | 26 | 26 | 138.7 | 119 | 58 | 13 | 38 | 128 | 114 | 2.4 |
| 2025 | 11 | 7 | 3.75 | 3.55 | 27 | 27 | 144.0 | 122 | 60 | 13 | 38 | 133 | 114 | 2.5 |
| 2026 | 11 | 7 | 3.77 | 3.56 | 28 | 28 | 150.3 | 128 | 63 | 14 | 39 | 138 | 114 | 2.6 |
| 2027 | 12 | 7 | 3.76 | 3.58 | 30 | 30 | 155.7 | 133 | 65 | 15 | 40 | 143 | 114 | 2.7 |
| 2028 | 11 | 8 | 3.87 | 3.65 | 30 | 30 | 156.0 | 134 | 67 | 15 | 40 | 140 | 111 | 2.5 |
| Year | W | L | ERA | FIP | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 8 | 6 | 3.72 | 3.85 | 27 | 27 | 121.0 | 106 | 50 | 16 | 42 | 138 | 120 | 2.5 |
| 2025 | 8 | 7 | 3.67 | 3.77 | 29 | 29 | 130.0 | 113 | 53 | 17 | 42 | 143 | 122 | 2.7 |
| 2026 | 9 | 7 | 3.66 | 3.72 | 30 | 30 | 137.7 | 119 | 56 | 17 | 41 | 147 | 122 | 3.0 |
| 2027 | 9 | 8 | 3.58 | 3.69 | 32 | 32 | 145.7 | 125 | 58 | 18 | 41 | 151 | 124 | 3.2 |
| 2028 | 10 | 7 | 3.58 | 3.67 | 32 | 32 | 148.3 | 128 | 59 | 18 | 39 | 150 | 125 | 3.3 |
| Year | W | L | ERA | FIP | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 8 | 9 | 4.60 | 4.17 | 29 | 29 | 144.7 | 130 | 74 | 22 | 53 | 161 | 95 | 1.7 |
| 2025 | 8 | 9 | 4.48 | 4.08 | 29 | 29 | 144.7 | 129 | 72 | 21 | 50 | 160 | 98 | 1.8 |
| 2026 | 8 | 9 | 4.50 | 4.08 | 29 | 29 | 148.0 | 135 | 74 | 22 | 49 | 161 | 97 | 1.9 |
| 2027 | 8 | 9 | 4.53 | 4.11 | 30 | 30 | 147.0 | 136 | 74 | 22 | 47 | 156 | 97 | 1.8 |
| 2028 | 8 | 9 | 4.60 | 4.16 | 30 | 30 | 146.7 | 139 | 75 | 22 | 47 | 152 | 95 | 1.7 |
The Sixth Man: Patrick Bailey
Of the rest of the field, the closest to making my ballot was Bailey, who was absurdly good defensively in 2023. I could have voted for a player short on playing time; I clearly did with McLain and was close with Jones. But to vote for a hitter at any position who slashed .233/.285/.359 over Outman, McLain, and Jones, I’d need a lot more certainty with defensive numbers than I have. We’ve made great progress in evaluating defense, but it remains extremely volatile, meaning that we simply can’t count on a small sample of defensive data to the same degree as a small sample of offensive data.
I have little doubt that Bailey is an elite defensive catcher, but just how elite is crucial to advancing him over the others with only 97 games played. And it was just a bridge too far for me; if he had been the catcher at the start of the season, there would have likely been a little more flexibility on how to deal with a defense-only candidate.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .228 | .291 | .366 | 382 | 45 | 87 | 18 | 1 | 11 | 45 | 32 | 112 | 2 | 81 | 13 | 2.7 |
| 2025 | .233 | .299 | .382 | 377 | 46 | 88 | 18 | 1 | 12 | 46 | 33 | 108 | 2 | 87 | 13 | 3.0 |
| 2026 | .234 | .300 | .387 | 367 | 45 | 86 | 18 | 1 | 12 | 45 | 32 | 103 | 2 | 89 | 13 | 3.0 |
| 2027 | .234 | .302 | .390 | 354 | 44 | 83 | 17 | 1 | 12 | 44 | 32 | 99 | 2 | 90 | 13 | 3.0 |
| 2028 | .229 | .298 | .379 | 340 | 42 | 78 | 16 | 1 | 11 | 42 | 31 | 94 | 2 | 86 | 12 | 2.6 |
The Best of the Rest: Spencer Steer, Francisco Alvarez, Elly De La Cruz, Ezequiel Tovar
Steer played the entire season but was basically a league-average starter — something that had value, but he was clearly behind several others in quality. Alvarez hit a lot of homers (25) but was rather one-note in his offensive contributions, though he really surprised with his framing numbers. Tovar was brilliant defensively, and it was nice to see him as a Gold Glove finalist, but his offense was well behind his glove.
De La Cruz was arguably the most exciting of the prospects, maybe even more than Carroll, but he still has some serious holes in his game that were exposed with time in the majors. At the very least, he’s going to need to shore up his plate discipline or become better at effectively connecting with junk in the way Tim Anderson was able to do at his peak.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .249 | .331 | .436 | 534 | 76 | 133 | 28 | 3 | 22 | 85 | 56 | 129 | 8 | 104 | 4 | 1.9 |
| 2025 | .250 | .330 | .436 | 525 | 75 | 131 | 28 | 2 | 22 | 84 | 55 | 124 | 8 | 104 | 4 | 1.9 |
| 2026 | .250 | .332 | .434 | 511 | 73 | 128 | 27 | 2 | 21 | 81 | 54 | 119 | 7 | 104 | 4 | 1.9 |
| 2027 | .250 | .332 | .433 | 492 | 70 | 123 | 26 | 2 | 20 | 77 | 52 | 114 | 6 | 104 | 3 | 1.7 |
| 2028 | .250 | .331 | .429 | 464 | 64 | 116 | 25 | 2 | 18 | 72 | 49 | 107 | 5 | 103 | 3 | 1.5 |
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .230 | .321 | .436 | 422 | 61 | 97 | 18 | 0 | 23 | 73 | 51 | 131 | 2 | 107 | 0 | 2.4 |
| 2025 | .236 | .329 | .449 | 441 | 67 | 104 | 19 | 0 | 25 | 79 | 56 | 131 | 2 | 112 | 1 | 2.9 |
| 2026 | .240 | .334 | .459 | 442 | 69 | 106 | 19 | 0 | 26 | 82 | 57 | 126 | 2 | 116 | 1 | 3.2 |
| 2027 | .241 | .338 | .461 | 440 | 69 | 106 | 19 | 0 | 26 | 83 | 59 | 122 | 2 | 118 | 1 | 3.4 |
| 2028 | .244 | .344 | .466 | 438 | 70 | 107 | 19 | 0 | 26 | 84 | 61 | 119 | 2 | 121 | 1 | 3.6 |
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .236 | .298 | .434 | 564 | 91 | 133 | 24 | 8 | 24 | 89 | 48 | 190 | 39 | 94 | -2 | 2.4 |
| 2025 | .239 | .303 | .441 | 585 | 98 | 140 | 26 | 7 | 26 | 97 | 52 | 185 | 40 | 97 | -1 | 2.8 |
| 2026 | .243 | .308 | .450 | 606 | 106 | 147 | 27 | 6 | 29 | 104 | 56 | 181 | 40 | 101 | -1 | 3.3 |
| 2027 | .247 | .314 | .465 | 608 | 110 | 150 | 28 | 6 | 31 | 107 | 59 | 173 | 38 | 106 | 0 | 3.8 |
| 2028 | .248 | .317 | .465 | 606 | 111 | 150 | 29 | 5 | 31 | 108 | 61 | 166 | 35 | 107 | 0 | 3.9 |
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | .258 | .300 | .416 | 551 | 75 | 142 | 31 | 4 | 16 | 75 | 29 | 145 | 11 | 83 | 10 | 2.5 |
| 2025 | .264 | .307 | .433 | 561 | 79 | 148 | 33 | 4 | 18 | 79 | 31 | 141 | 11 | 89 | 11 | 3.1 |
| 2026 | .268 | .313 | .443 | 567 | 82 | 152 | 34 | 4 | 19 | 82 | 33 | 136 | 11 | 93 | 11 | 3.5 |
| 2027 | .269 | .315 | .448 | 572 | 84 | 154 | 34 | 4 | 20 | 84 | 34 | 132 | 10 | 95 | 12 | 3.6 |
| 2028 | .271 | .318 | .454 | 573 | 86 | 155 | 34 | 4 | 21 | 85 | 36 | 128 | 10 | 97 | 12 | 3.9 |
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Did McLain and Jones’ babips factor into your decisions? Do you ignore them because the hits fell and that’s what happened? And if so, how does that jive with your emphasis on how “good” someone is over their accumulated value?
Not asking to play “gotcha. I think those are hard questions
I didn’t really consider it – both were pretty comparable relative to where they “should” have been.
As a 13-year-old Red Sox fan in 1995, I had a case all worked out for why Vaughn deserved the MVP over Belle, hingeing entirely on the use of the word “valuable” and basically arguing that the dominant Indians would have won the AL Central regardless of Belle’s contributions, but the Red Sox wouldn’t have won the East without Vaughn – especially since the bulk of Vaughn’s contributions came when the Sox were in a fairly tight race while Belle ran up numbers after the Indians had the division well in hand. I’m not even sure if that argument would have held up at the time (WAR didn’t exist yet), but after a disappointing playoff exit at the hands of the Indians, Vaughn winning the MVP was a nice consolation prize.
Tl;dr: Sportswriters should have better justifications for their votes than emotionally invested 13-year-olds.
“You can’t spell MVP without starting with M.V.: an essay by Billy O’Donohue” is definitely a paper that was submitted in a Dorchester junior high school.
As a lifelong Yankees fan and a Red Sox, uh, not-so-much-of-a-fan, Mo Vaughn was the first Red Sox player I really liked. I mean, yeah, even as a kid who hated the Sox, I could appreciate Fisk, Yaz, etc. but did I like them? Probably not. But I had family in the Boston area during Vaughn’s time there and whenever we’d visit, I’d pick up the day’s Globe and see Mo Vaughn somewhere in those pages out working in the community – reading to kids at the mall, helping out at some charity or another… something. So while there are some people I’ll argue about long past reason, Mo gets a free pass from me. So sorry, Uncle Albert.
I’m still upset about Kemp v Braun!
I thought this was well-explained. Thanks, Dan!
Part of me wonders if there is an argument to swap how you tier Nolan Jones and Francisco Álvarez, based on the combination of Álvarez’s framing and power from a premium position.
Jones grades roughly average defensively or a touch below average, wherever he’s played. But Álvarez was not only a decent framing catcher, he’s got good pop time and arm strength, even though his CS% was below average.
Of course, this splits hairs a little. Carroll is still the obvious winner!
I still can’t believe the Guardians decided that they were going to trade Nolan Jones instead of Oscar Gonzalez. It turned out even worse than anyone (including me) would have predicted, but it just gives you a hint of exactly how far apart their talent levels are.
It’s like they are constitutionally incapable of putting together an outfield.
Absolutely baffling to me as well but great move by the Rockies to grab him.
Something something blind squirrel…something something stopped clock… 😀
Ultimately the deal will be judged on Juan Brito vs. Nolan Jones. I’m thinking the Guardians probably lost that one and the Rockies won it. We won’t know for sure for a couple more years, but it seems like Jones is going to be at least a 2-win guy going forward and that’s always a tall order for any prospect.
But the decision that Jones was the extraneous part, and Gonzalez was the guy to keep? That one is all on the Guardians. They absolutely decided to pick style over substance.
If you’d asked me to guess whether Outman or Miller’s 5 yr projections were higher, I would have guessed Miller every time. Is it just a lower threshold for value as a plus glove in CF? I thought Miller showed a higher ceiling, but I suppose the injury risk with young pitchers is high (not that a Dodgers fan needs to be told)
Stop teasing us….give us the updated ZIPS projections.
Diving up contributions is always funny. I really like to use RA9-WAR for “pitcher awards” and knowing what happened. Not that what happened is mostly on pitcher, as it is also quantifying defense and hitters faced. But it feels “results” related to me. So I like Senga at 4.5 RA9-WAR.
A lot of great players under the age of 24, will be a ton of fun to watch for the next few years.
“it’s hard to give a Rookie of the Year vote to someone who threw less than 100 innings”
Corbin Carroll threw 0 innings and unanimously won ROTY. Checkmate, ZiPS.
Also, Jones should have been your third place vote simply by shining within the Colorado Rockies organization.
I’ll take the over on 23 homers for Francisco Alvarez in 2024.
And I’ll take the over on zips WAR projections. Alvarez was exhausted by August this year but I’m willing to bet that doesn’t happen again. Kid works HARD to be great.
That’s a lot of Reds! Neat-o.
Interesting that Zips doesn’t see Carroll increasing his walks in the near future. I feel that at only 23, this is a skill that will develop over the next few seasons (how showed he could walk a fair amount in his short minor league stay). He already has more MLB PA than minor league PA, so a lot of on the job training so far. An OBA of .400 in a few years seems very doable with his skillset. That would be fun to watch if the DBacks keep letting him run.
Which side of the Dante Bichette argument were you on? Today he would have no shot at winning because of War but in 1995 his offensive numbers dwarfed Barry Larkins and it was considered a little crazy that Larkin won. Bichette led the league in 4 or 5 major offensive categories – that he was a butcher in LF was less interesting.