Noah Syndergaard Has a Major Problem

I don’t remember hearing much about controlling the running game until the whole Jon Lester episode. I mean, it’s always been important, but it was one of those baseball subtleties until it became public knowledge that Lester went a whole season without attempting a single pickoff. That opened up the gates, and, last year, Lester allowed more stolen bases than anybody else. He yielded 44 out of 55 attempts, and the next-worst steal total was seven behind. Lester knew it was something he had to work on. The Cubs knew it, too. To Lester’s credit, this year he’s allowed just 19 steals. That’s still a lot, relatively speaking, but it’s not astronomical.

Lester is no longer the obvious guy to run against. It does help that he’s left-handed. Steven Matz has allowed 20 stolen bases. That’s third-most. Jimmy Nelson has allowed 22 stolen bases. That’s second-most. Noah Syndergaard has allowed 40 stolen bases. That’s first-most. That’s more than the Indians. That’s more than the Royals. Runners have been unsuccessful just four times in 44 attempts. Noah Syndergaard does a lot of things right, but when it comes to controlling his baserunners, he’s got a real problem.

This isn’t anything new, necessarily. A year ago, would-be base-stealers went 15-for-16. This was a media issue at the beginning of May. When you let runners run wild, people notice, and Syndergaard has tried to work on this. Through his first five starts this year, he allowed a dozen successful steals. There have been a few brief slow-down periods, but over his last three starts, he’s allowed 10 successful steals. The steals are back, and the issue probably never disappeared. Against Syndergaard, it’s difficult to reach. But against Syndergaard, it’s not so difficult to advance.

This isn’t quite like the Lester problem. Syndergaard is comfortable attempting pickoffs. He throws over a few times a game. But he doesn’t have, say, Johnny Cueto’s move. He’s proven easy to read, and the running comes down to more of a timing issue. This year, runners have tried to steal against Matz in 14% of their opportunities. That’s the third-highest rate in the league. Up next, they’ve tried to steal against Lester in 17% of their opportunities. Against Syndergaard, the rate is all the way up at 23%. It’s the league’s highest percentage, by far. You can pretend like Syndergaard will negate the steals with strikeouts if you want, but that’s not the reality. Bases matter, and Syndergaard has given too many of them up.

There’s a useful way to examine this. If you look at our pitcher-fielding leaderboards, you’ll see a column for stolen bases. That shows runs above or below average when it comes to preventing runners from advancing successfully. We have that data going back to 2003, so here’s a table covering 14 years. I looked at every single pitcher-season with at least 100 innings thrown, and then I calculated stolen-base value per 200. Here’s the bottom 10:

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Bottom 10 Pitchers In SB Value
Pitcher Year rSB/200 IP
Noah Syndergaard 2016 -8.6 140.0
Chris Young 2007 -8.1 173.0
Chris Young 2006 -6.7 179.3
Tim Wakefield 2007 -6.3 189.0
John Lackey 2011 -6.3 160.0
Tommy Hanson 2011 -6.2 130.0
A.J. Burnett 2007 -6.0 165.7
Gerrit Cole 2016 -5.9 102.3
Freddy Garcia 2006 -5.5 216.3
Scott Feldman 2014 -5.5 180.3
2003 – 2016.

Syndergaard presently ranks dead last. He shows up at almost -9 runs per 200 frames, which is nearly the equivalent of a full win. To say nothing of any potential psychological effects, or other runner benefits from taking aggressive leads. For what it’s worth, between those two years, Chris Young allowed 85 steals out of 89 attempts. I didn’t think we’d see someone get that bad again. Now here’s a phenom, great at most of his job but awful at this one particular thing.

Very clearly, this doesn’t prevent a healthy Syndergaard from being dominant and effective. At the end of the day, the hitter is most important, and Syndergaard knows how to deal with hitters. You just can’t keep letting runners advance like this, because it will hurt. It will make an ERA worse than the peripherals. Syndergaard has worked on the side to try to address this, but any major changes haven’t quite stuck.

Video time. Here are some grabs from Syndergaard’s season-opening start. I know this is just three clips, but I don’t want to overload you. For all three clips, there’s a running threat on first.

They probably all look similar to you. They should! They are. In each case, Syndergaard comes set for two and a half or three seconds. Then he begins his delivery, and I have those timed between 1.6 – 1.7 seconds. That is very slow. The math about stolen bases comes down to matters of tenths of a second, and pitchers want to be closer to 1.3. Syndergaard’s leg kick appears to slow him down, which everybody recognizes.

Now here are clips from Syndergaard’s most recent start. Again, for each, there’s a running threat on first. Do we find any signs of change?

There is one thing. At least based on these clips, Syndergaard has started changing up his timing. That can be one effective technique, and in one of the clips above, Syndergaard comes set for almost five seconds. In other clips, he comes set for less than one second. That definitely helps to make Syndergaard less predictable, less easy to read. But his pickoff still isn’t a threat, and I still have him timed at around 1.6 – 1.7 seconds to the plate. His actual delivery doesn’t look faster. If anything, the leg comes even higher now than it used to.

It would probably be helpful to compare Syndergaard side-by-side with a pitcher who keeps his runners where they are. I’m a big fan of the way Chris Tillman controls the running game, so here is another clip:

I know that things happen fast, so here, as an alternative, are some screenshots. This really goes to show just how much quicker Tillman is to the plate. This difference makes the difference. It’s not the only thing Tillman does better, but it’s the biggest factor.

tillmansyndergaardcomp

When Tillman is at almost full reach-back, Syndergaard is just getting the ball out of his glove. When Tillman is at his release point, Syndergaard has the ball behind his back. And when Syndergaard is at his release point, Tillman’s pitch is over the plate. It’s worth noting Tillman isn’t even throwing a fastball. The difference between them is a whole pitch’s flight time. You might not think that a Noah Syndergaard fastball really spends that much time in the air, but that’s the difference between a pitcher who controls his runners, and a pitcher who doesn’t. Runners cover a lot of ground in a half-second.

This might seem complicated. It shouldn’t. And don’t confuse me for being super insightful, because this is all just fundamentals. This is about Baserunner Control 101, and Syndergaard isn’t struggling because of anything weird. He’s struggling because he’s slow to the plate, and the Mets have known that for at least several months. The issue is making him quicker. That’s what’s complicated, because making him faster means changing his mechanics, and that can be risky business. There aren’t many alternatives here. Syndergaard needs a slide-step, or he needs a lower leg kick. Or he can just accept that he’s going to give up a lot of stolen bases. It’s not easy to get used to a different delivery, and it can cause a pitcher to speed everything up and lose command. That’s not what anyone wants. That would be worse than giving up steals.

For now, Noah Syndergaard is giving up steals. He’s giving them up way more than anyone else. It’s plain to see why it’s happening, and every opponent is aware. It doesn’t take away from how dominant a pitcher Syndergaard is when he’s focused on the plate. But there’s a vulnerability here, if someone with even modest speed can get on. Until or unless Syndergaard figures out a way to address this, he’s going to remain incomplete. It’s not a good look to be worse than Jon Lester.





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WalterBishop
9 years ago

Or you know, he could just not have a 1.60 WHIP. What an “ace”. Guy needs to learn how to pitch.

BubbaMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

His WHIP is not 1.60?

Bodowned
9 years ago
Reply to  Bubba

Not for the entire season, but he has been struggling to keep men off base. He’s got a 1.48 WHIP and is averaging less than 6 innings a start over his last 8 starts dating back to the beginning of July. It’s not too unfair to speculate that the alleged bone spur might be playing a factor since it was first acknowledged/reported near the end of June. Prior to July, 30.7 K% & 4 BB% w/ a .237 BAA. Since then, he’s rocking a 27.7 K% & 7.4 BB% w/ a .284 BAA.

jcocanower
9 years ago
Reply to  Bodowned

He has a .398 BABIP against since the All Star break (its .353 for the full season). Have you seen how horrendous the Mets defense is? They seem to save their absolute worst for Syndergaard. Rivera committed two errors in one INNING during Noah’s last start, driving him from the game when he’d basically gotten like 5 outs worth of groundballs in the 6th inning. It is true that his last few starts he has labored a bit more (could be the bone spur), but that may also be a combination of insane frustration over all of these steals plus all of the terrible defense.

Bodowned
9 years ago
Reply to  jcocanower

I won’t pretend to have watched more than a handful of his starts this year, and I don’t doubt that he’s been the victim of some bad defense to a reasonable extent. However, the other three Mets’ starters (Colon, Matz, deGrom) who have qualified in IP for the leaderboard average a .303 BABIP on the season compared to Noah’s .353. So either Thor has been absurdly unlucky relative to the rest of the staff or he’s at least partially responsible for the hits he’s been giving up.

WalterBishop
9 years ago
Reply to  Bubba

Sorry, should have clarified, last 30 day, his WHIP is over 1.57. Kind of important in a H2H league

Brians Sticky Sock
9 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

Noah’s got 99 problems, but your H2H league ain’t one.

ChippersJonesing
9 years ago

Ugh, now I understand why some comments get down votes don’t deserve them, I meant to give this a thumbs up but hit the wrong one on the old tablet, and now it’s a thumbs down for eternity. For this I apologize.

radivel
9 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

The first rule of talking about sports on the internet is that nobody, and I do mean NOBODY gives a shit about your fantasy league or team.

Johnston
9 years ago
Reply to  radivel

Amen to that. The second rule is never, ever, under any circumstances, bring it up.

Bread n Mustard
9 years ago
Reply to  Johnston

To be fair I don’t think he was talking about his team, he was talking about H2H leagues in general. Does the “fan” in fangraphs stand for fantasy or is it baseball fans?

oldmanduggan
9 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

First step to determining whether an “ace” knows how to pitch: pay attention to a stat that matters.

Melvin Hendrix
9 years ago

It is very frustrating to watch NS pitch with men on base. He makes average base runners elite if all they have to do is to count 1-2 skip2second or third. Fundamentally, this is not simply a change of tactics, it’s physiological: Syndergaard is a slow-twitch athlete as you so graphically detail. Therefore, speeding up his delivery will make many a pitching coach unemployed or worst, to say nothing about what it will to do to the player. Of course, if he would just turn his head and look at the base, it would help. So, apparently, he can’t even multi-task.

JaysSaskatchewan
9 years ago

Could the Mets partially counter this by pairing him with a defensive backup catcher. There should be someone out there with a low batting average that can control the running game.

dl80Member since 2026
9 years ago

Like Travis Darnaud but if he could throw guys out.

JaysSaskatchewan
9 years ago
Reply to  dl80

His wRC+ of 82 is still triple Thole’s.

dl80Member since 2026
9 years ago

I was just making a (snarky) reference to his batting average.

JaysSaskatchewan
9 years ago
Reply to  dl80

I know and I was using that to criticize Thole 🙂

jcocanower
9 years ago

I’m surprised the article doesn’t look at the role of the Mets’ catchers given that Matz gives up so many steals as well. Obviously Thor isn’t helping himself, but something tells me the catchers exacerbate the problem.

Given how cheap the Wilpons are, you would think they’d figure out that instead of wasting money on low-OBP corner outfielders (or terrible CFs who should be corner outfielders), they could invest in defense with this pitching staff and just focus on shutting people down.

Johnston
9 years ago
Reply to  jcocanower

You steal off the pitcher and his timing, not the catcher. Trust me on this.

output gap
9 years ago

Billy Hamilton stole 6 bases off Jon Lester in 2015 in 2 games. That’s all.

JoserMember since 2021
9 years ago
Reply to  output gap

Yeah, but Hamilton is so fast he’s the first player since Cool Pappa Bell who can turn out the light and be in bed before the room gets dark. He’s so fast he stole yo mamma. And then brought her back, and stole her again, while Syndergaard is still in his windup.

Johnston
9 years ago
Reply to  output gap

Hamilton is a very special case. A good base runner can go from 1st to 2nd in 3.2 seconds, but Hamilton can do it in under three. That puts tremendous pressure on teams whose pitchers have a delivery time higher than the ideal 1.3 seconds.

vivalajeter
9 years ago

I haven’t seen his numbers with runners on vs nobody on, but it seems like he’s having a lot of trouble putting batters away, so his pitch counts are getting up there game after game. For someone with his arsenal, you’d think he would be able to shut down most batters once he gets 2 strikes, and he was able to do that earlier in the season.

So I wonder if he’s (unsuccessfully) focusing too much on the runner on 1st, and that’s hurting him put away the batter. Since runners are running at will anyway, it probably makes sense for him to just go back to his mentality in April/May (before people discussed his problem) and just focus on getting the out.

ec113
9 years ago

I remember early in the season Ron Darling noted that Noah had a tell, but obviously he wasn’t going to say it on air. I wonder if the Mets know about this tell and if it’s been corrected.

Brians Sticky Sock
9 years ago
Reply to  ec113

It clearly hasn’t been corrected… but as someone noted above, he’s a slow-twitch athlete and relies on overpowering you… not a lot of finesse in his game… running game will probably never be one of his strengths.

Deacon DrakeMember since 2017
9 years ago

The leg kick is bad, and can be eliminated in the offseason. That won’t happen with a bullpen session or two.

It’s worth noting that in the the Tillman side by side, you can see how much longer he “loads” before coming to the plate. It’s at least a 10th of a second longer, maybe more, like he’s Hideo Nomo or something. That is going to be a bigger problem, because derives much of his power and effectiveness from that technique.

Sure being “faster” to the plate may hold the runner, but if the product is a 94 mph pitch as opposed to 98, he won’t be on first for long.

attgig
9 years ago
Reply to  Deacon Drake

if it can be eliminated in the offseason, you’d think it would’ve been eliminated LAST offseason, when his inability to control the running game was already exposed…

CheeseballMember since 2016
9 years ago

Thor’s trademark coif appears to be interfering with his peripheral vision.

Johnston
9 years ago
Reply to  Cheeseball

The problem is his delivery time, not his hair. If he had twice as much hair but shaved .4 seconds off his delivery time, he’d be fine.

OkraMember since 2016
9 years ago

very good article. i really enjoyed it. the side by side comparison with Tillman was a great visual

222bc
9 years ago

Or maybe his long hair is getting the way of his peripheral vision.

MLB needs to adopt an appearance code like the Yankees have: no beards, no long hair. Problem solved.

500,000 word article, with graphs, pictures and videos… and the actual problem is literally staring him in his face.

LOL

ChippersJonesing
9 years ago
Reply to  222bc

Yeah, someone better chop off John Lester’s majestic flowing locks too.

ChippersJonesing
9 years ago
Reply to  222bc

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borigh
9 years ago
Reply to  222bc

You’re right. If only Major League Baseball forced its players to groom themselves like accountants from 1953, the game would be much more enjoyable.

As a matter of fact, I think the uniforms nowadays are too breathable. Noah Syndergaard would allow fewer steals if every baserunner had to wear a heavy, hot, fully-woolen pair of pants and shirt.

JSJohnSmithAnon
9 years ago

This is a part of fWAR right?

DBA455
9 years ago

Is this data (stolen bases allowed by pitcher) available somewhere on FG? Afraid I can’t find it.

I did notice (in data available elsewhere) that Dellin Betances has allowed 17 SB (and 0 CS) in only 58 IP. Worse than Syndegaard on a rate basis, and perhaps even more remarkable against only 59 baserunners allowed this year.

Maybe it’s his hair.

rosen380
9 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

“Is this data (stolen bases allowed by pitcher) available somewhere on FG? Afraid I can’t find it.”

Play Index has it if you want leaderboards…