Oneil Cruz Is No Longer a Shortstop

One of the great things about sports is they let you witness the very limits of human capabilities. If you watch for long enough, you’ll see those limits get pushed even further. Usually it happens in increments so small and slow as to be all but imperceptible, but every once in a while someone comes along and stretches them right in front of your eyes. Never in his wildest dreams could James Naismith have imagined that a person like Victor Wembanyana was capable of existing, let alone of splashing threes and slashing to the hoop like a guard. If he had, he would have nailed his peach baskets a whole lot higher than 10 feet.
Oneil Cruz was a Lilliputian 6-foot-3 when he signed with the Dodgers as a 16-year-old shortstop in 2015. Despite adding another four inches to his frame, he managed to hang onto that position by his fingernails for nine more years, attempting valiantly to blow the doors off our preconceptions about what a shortstop could look like. He did his level best to make up for every errant throw with a rocket from deep in the hole, every routine grounder that clanked off his glove with a circus catch in the no-man’s land behind third base. Sadly, our preconceptions have outlasted his onslaught. The Pirates have finally decided that they no longer desire the distinction of fielding the tallest regular shortstop in the history of the game.
On Monday – just eight days after general manager Ben Cherington told reporters, “All I can tell you right now is he is our shortstop,” – manager Derek Shelton announced that Cruz would be transitioning to center field. “I think as of right now, we’re looking at him as a center fielder,” Shelton said. “It’s something we’ve been talking about. It’s not something that we took lightly. He’s an unbelievable athlete. We feel it’s probably the best position for him and for the Pirates.” Cherington told reporters that Cruz was disappointed about the move, but handled it professionally. On Tuesday, Cruz walked the same line with the media, saying through an interpreter, “I see it this way: I’m going to be playing in the middle of the diamond still, [but] in the outfield, and all I have to do is just erase it from my mind that I was a shortstop and do my best out there as a center fielder.” Either Cruz is truly broken up about moving off the position he’s played his entire life or he just watched Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
It’s not as if the Pirates are clearing room for some young shortstop who’s bucking for a promotion. In fact, when Eric Longenhagen and Travis Ice updated the Pirates’ top prospects list, only one shortstop was above Single-A: the 35th-ranked Tsung-Che Cheng, who’s currently at Double-A with a 35+ future value. The Pirates are choosing to leave a real hole at shortstop going forward, and generally speaking, it’s harder to fill a hole at shortstop than in center.
Aside from six spring training innings in 2021, Cruz had never played center. His official outfield experience consisted of 81 innings in left field, 80 of them in the minors. Cruz spent two days as a designated hitter while he got a crash course on the new position. He was the first player out of the clubhouse on Tuesday, shagging fly balls in center before the game.
Oneil Cruz gets some work out in center field at PNC Park: pic.twitter.com/FW2gEs0EBa
— Danny Demilio (@Demilio22) August 27, 2024
On Wednesday, there he was in center field, and as the saying goes, the ball finds you. Ian Happ laced the first pitch of the game into the left field gap for a double, forcing Cruz to glide to his right and cut it off. In all, the Cubs hit nine balls to center, the second most the Pirates have allowed all season. When Cruz made his first catch, on a towering fly ball off the bat of Cody Bellinger, he jokingly signaled to the dugout that he wanted to keep it as a souvenir.
In a development that will not surprise you at all, Cruz also committed an error, though it’s hard to blame him for this one. With Nico Hoerner on second in the top of the second inning, Pete Crow-Armstrong sent a line drive single into center. Cruz charged and fielded it on a hop, then unleashed a 103.3-mph throw home. The ball came in just a few feet up the third base line and bounced roughly 12 feet in front of the plate, giving catcher Yasmani Grandal a pretty friendly hop. However, Hoerner was running hard all the way and the throw wasn’t quite in time. Grandal made a desperate attempt to catch it and apply a sweeping tag all in one motion, and when he failed, the ball squirted past him, allowing Crow-Armstrong to advance to third.
That was Cruz’s second throw of the game, and it was the second-fastest throw any outfielder has made over the entire 2024 season. It was exactly kind of play that made the idea of Cruz as a center fielder so enticing, and he executed it flawlessly. Of course it ended up as an error. Chalk it up to the morbid humor of the baseball gods.
It makes sense to let Cruz get his feet wet over the last month of the season. In order to make it happen, the Pirates recently placed Michael A. Taylor, an excellent center fielder who is having arguably the best defensive season of his career, on waivers. The plan is to play the versatile Isiah Kiner-Falefa at short once second baseman Nick Gonzales returns from the IL. At TribLive, Tim Benz advanced the hypothesis that the Pirates really plan on moving Cruz to right field, and are simply starting him out at the premier outfield position now in order to cushion the blow. “Then,” he wrote, “when it’s clear that’s not working out after a few bumpy weeks during meaningless September games… down in the wind and sun of Bradenton next spring, they’ll broach the topic of moving him over to right field.”
Cruz has now made 25 errors this season, second most in baseball, and his .939 fielding percentage is the worst among all qualified players. If you’ve watched Cruz play, you’ve seen a whole lot of throwing errors, especially when he’s moving to his left, but you’ve also seen a lot of dropped popups. Rather than getting into position, he has a tendency to drift with the ball, then he’ll misplay it because he ends up fielding it at an odd angle, finds himself on a collision course with the neighbor whose territory he has unknowingly entered, or both.
Watching such plays, it’s hard to come away thinking that Cruz needs to be playing in the outfield. Benz takes that concern a step further, writing:
The issues that are present with Cruz at shortstop will just manifest themselves in different ways in the outfield. Instead of loading up to break the Statcast numbers with a 100 mph throw from shortstop that sails wide of the first baseman, he’ll throw one 100 mph from the outfield that misses a cutoff man.
Instead of running out to left field and banging into [Bryan] Reynolds from the infield dirt, he’ll come screaming in from the outfield on a pop-up and crash into Nick Gonzales behind second base.
Instead of rushing a double-play attempt at second base and having the ball go off his glove, he’ll boot a grounder rolling into the outfield as he is attempting to scoop and throw on the run.
If the Pirates could properly coach Cruz, they’d coach him to be better at his natural position. Now, we are supposed to expect that he is going to be morphed into a capable outfielder at the most difficult spot in the middle of his career?
While the point Benz makes is a reasonable one, it’s worth remembering that at this point in his career, Cruz is still just 25. I do think it’s more likely that he’ll be fine in center, and possibly even great. Quite simply, there’s more margin for error in the outfield. He’ll take some bad routes and make some bad reads, but he’ll be able to make the most of his speed, and as we saw on Wednesday, when he has the chance to come in on the ball and put all his weight into a throw, he’ll no doubt put up the kind of radar gun readings that get the Statcast team all hot and bothered. That said, I’m not as interested about who Cruz will be as an outfielder. I care more about who he was as a shortstop.
This isn’t strictly on topic, but let me tell you a secret: Giancarlo Stanton might lead the league in bat speed and fast swing rate, but no player has taken more swings at or above 85 mph than Cruz. When I looked closely at the bat tracking data, accounting for factors like height, pitch type, and swing length, I came away with the impression that Cruz could swing harder if he wanted to; that having the second-fastest average bat speed in all of baseball was the result of a conscious decision to throttle back his aggression some. My point is that calling Oneil Cruz a gifted athlete is a bit like calling an aircraft carrier a big boat. You’re technically right, but you’re still leaving your listener woefully unprepared for the reality of the situation. To some extent, he needs to be seen to be believed.
Watching the 6-foot-7 Cruz straighten up to his full height and unleash a laser from deep in the hole was a transcendent experience, but it wasn’t the most fun part of watching him man the six. The most fun part was simply sitting there and seeing him creep toward the plate before the pitch, so much bigger – not just taller, but bigger – than all the other enormous professional athletes on the field that it felt like your eyes weren’t focusing correctly, like someone painted a perfect photorealistic painting but forgot how foreshortening is supposed to work.
Even his errors, of which there were many, served at least in part to emphasize his gifts. Regardless of what I wrote about his problems with popups, it requires an absurd amount of speed and confidence to end up far enough into left field to have a chance at this ball in the first place. His long strides make it seem like there’s nothing he can’t reach, because the dimensions of the field were set in place long before anyone had contemplated the possibility of Oneil Cruz playing shortstop.
More than a few of his throwing errors were the result of throwing the ball so hard that the first baseman simply didn’t have enough time to catch the ball. There’s no way to check this, but Cruz was almost certainly the most frequent victim of what MLB.com’s Film Room calls “missed catch errors.” His low throws came so quickly that the first baseman didn’t have time to figure out the right angle for a scoop. Here he is handcuffing Connor Joe on a ball in the dirt.
A better shortstop probably turns this into an easy play by charging in and fielding it on the short hop, but Cruz hangs back for a big, juicy hop because he knows he’s got a bazooka in his back pocket. Once that decision has been made, a good throw gets the runner, but only if you can throw the ball as hard as Cruz can. He only gets dinged for an error because he was able to get enough on the ball to beat the runner to the bag in the first place.
Then there was the time he threw the ball so hard that he knocked Rowdy Tellez’s glove clean off. The throw was undeniably high, but how often do you see a major league first baseman literally get his glove knocked off his hand?
Watching Cruz play shortstop was a gift, and one that was all the more precious because we knew all along that might be snatched away from us. His run was equal parts electrifying, exasperating, and improbable. While it’s not his natural position, Cruz will make much more sense as a center fielder. He’ll still make his share of incredible-for-both-good-reasons-and-bad plays, but he’ll no longer break your brain while he does so. For now, at least, the possibilities of baseball have shrunk.
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I think the hope is that if he focuses more on catching fly balls and not all of the other things he has to do at shortstop that he will do better at it. But it is true that is at least as much hope as prediction.
He does have pretty good long speed though. His long speed is good, in the same range as Julio Rodriguez and Brenton Doyle.
He is the same age Aaron Judge was his rookie season, so he’s got time to grow into himself.
While that is true, Judge was immediately a plus defender. He never had growing pains as a defender. Or as a hitter, outside of a month as a rookie. He’s got time to turn it around, but being that tall as a SS is difficult..
Cruz may not be the greatest defender at short, but he also has all the tools to succeed in that regard. If he chases after distant balls less, he’ll be at least average.
CF may be the better fit on paper, but the learning curve is a steep one. We’ve seen that often from athletically gifted infielders moving to the outfield. It’s never a clean transition and often times just doesn’t work. He may end up in a corner, below-average, if they don’t move him back to short.
Also, comparing RF to SS is kind of hysterical.
Lol you’re right. But I just think some guys have “it” defensively and others don’t. Then again, Jarren Duran went from a below average CF to a plus CF basically overnight. That’s probably a much better comparison. But then again Cruz isn’t an outfielder. It’s quite difficult for an IF to become a plus OF, even with his physical tools. I’m not sure if we’ve seen it.
We have, in Fernando Tatis Jr. (12 FRV, 9 OAA as an OF last season). But outside of him, it’s not common, and even he went to a corner, not CF.
And Jackson Merrill, who wasn’t a major league IF but went to the outfield after five minor league games. And Cody Bellinger (maybe not a plus OF, but an average CF at least). Mookie Betts’s conversion to a plus outfielder in the minors was pretty quick. Joey Gallo started as a third baseman. So did Alex Gordon, to go back a ways. It doesn’t seem unprecedented for infielders to become successful outfielders.
All of those guys except Bellinger are corner guys, though (and Bellinger probably should have been). That’s very different from going to CF.
Merrill is a CF. Anyway the post I was responding to said “plus OF” not “plus CF,” which is a much higher bar.
Inside of him, it’s too dark to see the ball.
I mean, let’s be clear: most MLB outfielders are converted SS, because almost every team puts its best athlete at SS, and almost every MLBer was the best athlete on his team for a very long time.
And I don’t just mean Little League: the majority of HS draftees are full time SS up until the draft, but of course hardly any stick there, and lots go to the OF.
Cruz does not have “it” defensively. The mental side of his game is extremely disappointing.
Go ahead and downvote guys who don’t actually watch Pirates games. If you watch 100 games a year like I do, you’ll consistently see this kid throw to the wrong base, make throws when none should be made, not call off on balls he has bad momentum for throws, almost destroy Bryan Reynolds in deep LF and gear up for statcast record throws when 85 mph throws would have worked fine. His range is also like 13th percentile at SS. We’ll see how it goes in CF. The Pirates tried him in the OF corners in MiLB and he pouted so hard his face almost fell off and played abysmally.
fixing his face would be a good way to bring the range up to 50th or 60th percentile
Gee dude, you’re a regular Mr. Congeniality in here.
You broke the record for the most downvotes in the history of Fangraphs.
Ah, how soon we forget the FELONY FRAUD guy…
If a bunch of ugly nerds want to be wrong on the internet, fine by me
The mental side of your comments isn’t great
The mental side of my comments actually are great because I’m more informed than you twerps because I unfortunately watch this goofball play often.
Jackson Merrill was a SS in the minors, and now is a plus defender in CF, might be the NL ROY this year.
That’s a bad comparison. Judge was not changing positions he had played in the outfield for multiple years. The one thing that is true is that people were questioning if he was too big to play period. He of course turned out to be Aaron Freaking Judge and destroyed many of the preconceptions about how big a position player can be.
The original commenter brought up Judge saying that he has time to grow into himself. I was referencing the fact that Cruz is a shaky defender at SS while Judge has always been a plus defender. But yeah, comparing a SS to a RF isn’t the best example. But Judge has always been plus. Some guys just have “it” defensively. Always know where to be, where to throw, rarely make errors or have defensive lapses. Cruz, so far, doesn’t have “it”. Neither does Bo Bichette, Gleyber Torres, Rafael Devers, etc. These guys are all great players but have questionable defense. I lump Cruz into that group as well.
Judge was never a shortstop in MLB either.
The Dodgers traded him for Tony Watson!
Because they predicted Mookie Betts at SS. They had perspicacity
The moral of this, and the Yordan Alvarez trade, is do not trade with the Dodgers, unless you are trading them a perfectly fine relief pitcher.
The Pirates are a bad organization run by bad baseball men, and I’ll never be convinced that another team couldn’t have made Cruz into a viable shortstop. This organization couldn’t turn a guy with a good eye and 95th percentile EV into a mediocre, let alone average, hitter, it hasn’t developed a single OF since Starling Marte, its bullpens are consistently subpar, and frankly the only bright spot in 2024 is from a guy who’s so talented that he’s advanced too quickly for them to ruin (the Jared Jones story didn’t even last 8 starts before he reverted to a pretty ordinary SP, and Mitch Keller’s season is nothing to write home about either). Don’t even get me started on Henry Davis.
Cherington and Shelton and Haynes should all be fired, and none of them should ever be hired in those positions again. The post-Huntington era has been an unmitigated disaster.
He’s just too big to play SS. I think he can stay there for a few more years, but ultimately this is a better choice. Plus it’s not like the Pirates have their long term answer in CF. And he could be plus in CF with his speed. Plus defensive CF + ~120 wRC+ = at least 6ish WAR. It does push the problem to SS, which the Pirates don’t have an answer for, but I guess that’s a problem for another time.
I wonder if Ke’Bryan Hayes could move to SS. There’s no reason he should be this bad with the bat, and if he gets back to somewhere between his 2023 and 2022 levels of production, he could be an average SS hitter with better than average defense. Certainly a 3-WAR player.
Granted, that leaves them with a hole at 3B, but that’s better and more easily dealt with than a hole at short, especially with Terrmar Johnson making strides towards becoming the eventual answer at 2B.
I’m not sure Key is gonna do much of anything if he can’t solve his back issues. Moving to short ain’t gonna help that.
He has a herniated disc in his back. That’s not a degenerative condition, and it can even heal on its own without intervention, it just takes time. I imagine he’ll be getting procedures and PT to speed up that process. I don’t expect it to be an issue by the time next season rolls around.
This season appears to be a lost one for him, and the Pirates should just shelve him for the year so he can jump-start his treatment.
They’ve said that his back will get better for three years now. So I’m not gonna hold my breath on an offseason of rest and treatment being the miracle cure. He’s had five IL stints related to his back.
A miracle cure would be him reaching his maximum potential, and I don’t think anyone expects that. But you can play through lasting conditions and still be a valuable player. Hell, Tommy Pham did it with a degenerative eye condition for his whole career.
Hayes doesn’t have to get better than his norm. He just has to get back to that. Which is doable. The back injuries were a thing long before this slump, after all.
He’s on record saying the disc no longer has any jelly. He’s probably about done.
The whole “jelly” thing is related to how spinal fluid fills the discs in the back like the filling of a jelly donut. It’s a very common analogy, but not actually how it works (a herniated disc occurs when the fluid leaks out but is still present in the spinal column, increasing the joint pressure).
It’s not an irreversible condition. Nor was Hays or anyone else saying that. In fact, it’s low-grade enough that the prognosis has him potentially coming back this year. I’d rather he just focus on healing and get right for next season, but that alone paints a much clearer picture.
I’ll get you the quote if you like.
“Someone who has what I have, you want to stay away from turning,” Hayes said. “But that’s what I have to do every day.”
“My whole issue is the disc has lost its jelly stuff,” Hayes said. “When we look at the MRIs, [the discs are] just kind of compressing. I don’t know that it’s rubbing, but it’s definitely a little collapsed to where there’s pressure, inflammation builds up, and muscles want to try to protect.”
Jason Mackey: Amid painful year, improving the Ke’Bryan Hayes situation is essential for Pirates
I am only able to find a single reference to a disc replacement surgery in MLB fwiw. That was Jesse Winker getting an upper disc impacting mostly his neck replaced. He had a historically bad season the year after that with Milwaukee, too. My money is on Hayes being done or just floundering for a few more years similarly to this year and being done after that.
I’m familiar with the quote. I’m also familiar with the quote from the paragraph directly following Ke’Bryan Hayes’ direct quote that you have there, from the same article.
“When it comes to discs in your backs, there’s an analogy often drawn to a jelly donut. Discs are between bones in your spine, where they function like shock absorbers. With herniated discs, the jelly stuff (or disc fluid) breaks through the outside, placing added pressure on the nerves in your spine.”
So in other words, exactly what I said.
Winker hit with the Nats this season,.
Yes but he was historically bad for the year after his surgery like I said.
Once you have a “bad” back it’s never a “good” one again.
I’ve had a bad back for 50 years. It just got worse as time passed. Fortunately, it never got so bad that it crippled me. It just hurts now and then. I had a Sciatica problem for a while. I fixed that by massaging the leg that it effed up.
I suspect Hayes is done.
hanging and primal movement patterns can repair back issues, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for this organization to have anyone that forward thinking on staff
The spine is kind of miraculous. They shouldn’t work as well as they do.
This is also true for shoulders but to a much lesser extent.
Wow, I knew Hayes wasn’t hitting, but I didn’t know it was *this* bad. I wonder if moving him to SS might mess with his head even more. Hitting like this can’t be easy on him…
He’s been playing through a herniated disc the whole year, apparently. Looks like he’s a combination of that messing up his swing, and trying too hard to push through. He’s got to get himself physically right before he does anything else.
Looking at his batted ball data throughout the year, comparing it to previous seasons (and last year especially), I kept thinking “he’s hurt and they’re just not telling us”
Yeah…
In 2023, Julio Rodríguez combined being a top 10 baserunner, wRC+ 128 in 714 PA, 4th in OAA among CF to the tune of 5.8 fwar.
Cruz can record 6ish WAR as a CF, but it is highly unlikely he will do it with ~120 wRC+.
Cruz is becoming a hitter. His WCR+ forbthe past two months: 133 and 174. He hits fewer HRs. But his exit velocities remain high. We’ll see how he maintains his stroke in the future.
If anything, the organization should be criticized for not moving him to the OF sooner.
And yet they’ll never get any better because their is no incentive to:
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Occasionally I have wondered where Chaim Bloom would be a good fit running a team again. He learned how to run a team with the Rays, where there were almost no fans to alienate. Then he went to a team with some of the most loyal-but-irritable fans in the game and it was a disaster.
Another Rays alum is currently running the Marlins, and so unless he or Neander leaves. The A’s and White Sox look like they are going to stick with “their guys” forever. That leaves the Pirates as the most likely team to hire him. Although he may drive fans crazy, I think they would actually take Bloom and his chaotic approach to everything because he can run a decent scouting-and-development outfit.
Don’t Bloom and BC share a lot of the same traits? Frustratingly deliberate, pretty awful at FO acquisitions, supposedly good at drafting and development? The failure of the last part of that has been the biggest reason this rebuild went sideways for BC.
I mean, Cruz *is* a viable SS. His defensive value is below average, but he’s heading towards a 4WAR year, and at his age, he should project at that for another five.
The Pirates shouldn’t be moving him around and hope he’s a 3WAR CF.
If it shouldn’t be done, Ben Cherington’s Pirates will certainly do it.
It’s such a crime that the camera cuts away as he unleashes that 103mph throw from CF.
Yup. Also, that error should be on Grandal. You can’t make a better throw than that from the OF. It isn’t his fault that Grandal didn’t field it cleanly.
Really surprisingly dumb call by the official scorer. To give the CF an error on that, the ball has to be uncatchable. Especially since the error was for the batter advancing, not the runner scoring. If Grandal just knocks the ball down, the batter holds at 2B.
Official scorers, rightly or wrongly, don’t expect anyone to field short hops. Any ball that bounces and gets away is going to be charged to the thrower.
I agree, but, also, that looked a lot more “hop” than “short hop.”
I sense a response post here with gifs.
The throw really doesn’t look at that bad, at all. Grandal ole’d it into an error.
Ironically, in Shelton’s first season or two he frequently said his job was to keep things fun. This move has taken away some of the fun from watching the Pirates. The errors were too frequent and painful, but the rest of the time (which was still the large majority of the time) he was so much fun to watch at SS as outline in this story.
But credit to Cruz–even though the move was thrown at him so abruptly, he’s been all smiles and has been smoking the ball on offense. I guess now the fun comes from watching him adjust.
Keep things fun…for the players!
That worked well during their 10 game losing streak post trade deadline. 2 managers in modern baseball have had losing seasons their first 5 years and been brought back a sixth (1932 and 1969). Shelton is either going to make history books for his futility or get canned this offseason.
According to his FG page, Cruz currently has a positive “Def” value of 1.3.
But further down his page….
DRS: -8
UZR: -3.4
OOA: -3
FRV: -2
Curious how the primary FG Def value is positive.
Also, all of those negative fielding values aren’t too terrible (other than DRS).
There are 4 qualified SS with lower FRV, and one of the underqualified with lower FRV is Mookie Betts.
Maybe the change less about him being unplayable as a SS than about him being more valuable as an OF(?)
Part of the positive value is that he’s a SS, which has such a high bar to clear. Even a slightly below-average fielder, which he is by OAA and FRV, is still a net positive because of just how difficult it is.
Ok, I figured out that the FG “Def” value appears to just be FRV with a positional bonus based on Innings played.
But still, according to FRV/inn, Cruz is better at SS than Betts, Trea Turner, and the guy he’s being replaced with: Kiner-Falefa.
IKF’s sample size is pretty small this year (and for what it’s w orth, he seems to consistently have an infield DRS that’s well above his FRV). But it did seem like Cruz might be improving his defense to the point where he was playable at short. I haven’t Statcasted this, but I wondered if he might be playing farther back. Anyway, a while ago he seemed like a likely future outfielder, but it seems a little odd to make this move now.
Off the topic of this article, but one aspect of his game that he definitely seems to have improved is hitting lefties. His wRC+ against lefties is 88 for the year, up from 46 in 2022, because after a terrible start he has been absolutely murdering them in July and August–168/285 wRC+, in 52 PA.
Thanks for putting all those in one place. But now I’m even madder that they’re moving him, because 3/4 metrics say he’s basically fine there, and I’m not sure anybody claims that any one defensive metric is definitive.
Such a badly run org.
Check the trend on how his advanced defensive metrics were moving and think about how few games he’s had to prove himself in the majors (this is his first full season) if you truly want to seethe…as I am right now
It’s not a bad time to think about the fact that actually bad fielders don’t accumulate enough innings/chances to be worse than Cruz statistically. Being the worst SS in the MLB isn’t exactly the worst thing for him or the Pirates, really. And he’s not the worst SS.
Always loved his charge-and-toss against potential backspinning infield hits. He was onto something there.
There’s some algebra in the move. Gonzales is just an okay defender but needs to be at 2B for best use of The Spectrum, like Neil Walker. Similar with Hayes who they really can’t give up on or move. Cruz himself wouldn’t be a good fit for 2B with countermomentum throws. IKF at shortstop and Cruz at center is probably better than vice versa.
Lament not. There is an only slightly shorter SS who is 4.5 hours SE of PIT you can watch. Just hoping this doesn’t give CIN any ideas…
Elly is so much better than Cruz defensively. If Cincy moves him, they deserve every ounce of failure it creates.
His agent is Scott Boras. He’s probably going to free agency. I’m not sure the Reds will pay him like 700M.
Elly has really fascinating defensive stats.
DRS and UZR agree that he is a bad fielder.
But statcast says he is excellent.
DRS: -6
UZR: -4.9
OOA: 12
FRV: 9
I’d love an explanation on this.
(One miniscule idea, is that I don’t think double play results are factored into the statcast FRV)
UZR and DRS don’t really take exact positioning into account, they divide the field into segments and give the player credit for plays made in those segments regardless of where they started. From this I would guess it penalizes missing plays in your zone more than it rewards making plays in other zones, and he must have been doing a lot of that.
Cincinnati is west-southwest of Pittsburgh.
Unless you mean Gunnar Henderson (6’3″) or CJ Abrams (6’2″)?
Or Nathaniel Ochoa Leyva, but he’s played more 3B than SS, and Fredricksburg is more like 5 hours SE of Pittsburgh 🙂
Don’t you mean O’Neill was a Brobdingnag 6’3″ at 16? Seriously, does everyone think “Gulliver’s Travels” ends after just Part 1 and try to shoehorn Lilliput into size comparisons where it doesn’t make sense to do so?
I think he was making a joke about Cruz’s subsequent growth spurt.
Reminds me of Ripken’s story. Cannon arm at 3rd, Weaver moved him to short just to see what would happen. He played the position super deep and relied on throwing, unlike anybody else at the time.
Who knows, maybe Cruz will reinvent CF the way Cal reinvented SS?
I literally laughed out loud yesterday when PIT lost the game because IKF couldn’t make a play at SS that for all his flaws Cruz would have made.
I hate this move by PIT. People forget Cruz missed all of 2023 with a catastrophic ankle injury. I would have allowed him one more year (and most importantly this offseason) to work on his game at SS and then made a decision after 2025. It’s not like PIT has some stud SS prospect that is MLB ready in 2025.
Same. This would have been his first full season at short, and now he won’t even have had a single one. And his advanced metrics were improving.
And with that, he will have never gotten a full season to work with at short. Just all around a really weird sequence of decisions. If you were going to move him, why not years ago, and why do it now in the midst of him being ok at short and really seeming comfortable at the plate for the first time in his career instead of waiting for the offseason. Let’s keep him off balance and give him more to think about and adjust to. I just don’t get it.
It would be fun watching Cruz play right field.
I wonder how many runners he could throw out at first base?
If he had better reads, you could play him in a bit on slow runners.
I hope I am wrong on the reasoning, but Cruz will make less money as a CF or a RF than he will at SS. People will stay buy tickets to see him play.
The Pirates have nobody viable in CF in their high minors either. So their decision does have some rationale to it.
Not only that, with Skenes, Jones, Keller, Ortiz, Falter, Oviedo, Chandler, Ashcraft, Burrows, and Harrington in their system, it’s not like they don’t have the trade chips to go get someone else’s top SS prospect (or CF) over the winter. And for good measure, they have Bart, Davis, and Rodriguez available too.
A big part of the organizations problem is that they are still suffering from Neil Huntingdon’s vision of drafting high floor hitters with position flexibility. But I think their overall minor league staff needs a total overhaul on the position player development side.