Orioles Prioritize Head Over Heart, Trade Trey Mancini to Astros

The Astros shook up their first base situation on Monday, acquiring 1B/DH Trey Mancini from the Orioles as part of a three-way trade that also included the Rays. Mancini, the longest-tenured player on Baltimore’s roster, was having a solid, if not spectacular, season, hitting .268/.347/.404 with 10 homers and 1.2 WAR in 92 games, with most of his playing time this season split between first base and designated hitter and an occasional appearance in a corner outfield role. He’ll be a free agent at the end of the season, though there is a $10 million mutual option. To land Mancini, the Astros sent outfielder Jose Siri to the Rays and pitcher Chayce McDermott to the O’s, with Tampa shipping pitcher Seth Johnson to Baltimore and Jayden Murray to Houston.
To look at this trade more easily, let’s separate it into three different transactions.
The Baltimore Orioles acquire pitchers Seth Johnson and Chayce McDermott for 1B/DH Trey Mancini
From a PR standpoint, there will likely be some sharp elbows thrown at the Orioles locally. Baltimore is having its first even marginally playoff-relevant season in a long while, and Mancini has been with the team through the entire process. As its veteran rebuild survivor, he played a similar role that Freddie Freeman did for the Braves while they went through their own painful renovations. His battle with colon cancer, diagnosed on his 28th birthday, and subsequent grand return after surgery and six months of chemotherapy only served to make him more beloved in town.
Basically, the on-field case for keeping Mancini and letting him walk at the end of the season involved a very “now” outlook for the team. It does make the Orioles a bit weaker over the next two months, but it’s only a major loss if you look at the consequences in a very binary fashion, in that Baltimore is in the wild card race with Mancini and out of it without him. Once you move past that, the calculus for whether a trade like this is a good idea comes out very differently.
First, here are the current ZiPS projections for the AL East, with Mancini on the team. This includes the Frankie Montas trade to the Yankees, which is slightly beneficial to the Orioles. Why? The Orioles were never catching the Yankees and only have a single three-game set remaining with them; the latter still has 25 games remaining against the Rays, Blue Jays, and Red Sox, six games against the Mariners, and four against the Twins.
| Team | W | L | GB | Pct | Div% | WC% | Playoff% | WS Win% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| New York Yankees | 102 | 60 | — | .630 | 97.6% | 2.4% | 100.0% | 12.4% |
| Toronto Blue Jays | 91 | 71 | 11 | .562 | 2.3% | 91.5% | 93.9% | 6.2% |
| Tampa Bay Rays | 84 | 78 | 18 | .519 | 0.1% | 48.7% | 48.8% | 1.2% |
| Boston Red Sox | 82 | 80 | 20 | .506 | 0.0% | 24.3% | 24.3% | 0.8% |
| Baltimore Orioles | 78 | 84 | 24 | .481 | 0.0% | 5.5% | 5.5% | 0.1% |
Baltimore always had an uphill struggle; while some parts of the team have come around, the rotation remains very thin, from top to bottom. With Mancini, ZiPS projects the Orioles with a 5.5% chance of making the playoffs.
When I compared Mancini to Freeman, it was in a philosophical sense only, as he is a league-average player rather than among the best in the league at his position. If we use Kyle Stowers as his replacement, that costs the O’s, on average, a third of a win relative to Mancini, per ZiPS. That reduces the team’s projected playoff probability by about 0.7 percentage points, to 4.8%. By ZiPS’ reckoning, the Mancini/Stowers swap only has approximately a 1-in-140 chance of changing the team’s playoff status one way or the other at season’s end.
But what if the Orioles are even better than ZiPS thinks? ZiPS projected their roster strength as .455 before the trade, but what happens if I instead tell it that this is actually a .500 team? The trade still only changes the eventual playoff outcome once in 45 opportunities.
What the Orioles got in return is what makes this trade compelling for me. Johnson was the No. 58 prospect in the ZiPS Top 100 prior to the season, and both ZiPS and my colleague Eric Longehagen ranked him as Tampa’s second-best pitching prospect. Obviously, he’s a lot riskier given that he’s having Tommy John surgery, but he still represents real talent who could make an impact on the major league roster at some point, not a 27-year-old middle reliever in A-ball. And while Johnson will have to be added to the 40-man roster while he’s injured, I think he’s worth losing a spot. Baltimore also needs pitching depth in the minors, and McDermott, whom Eric recently valued as a 40 FV prospect, has real upside if his command issues can be ironed out.
The Orioles got legitimate prospects for two months of an average hitter. To me, that’s worth modifying the 2022 playoff dream slightly.
The Houston Astros acquire 1B/DH Trey Mancini and P Jayden Murray for P Chayce McDermott and OF Jose Siri
Houston’s playoff status is a sure thing, so this move is about having a stronger roster for the postseason. Yuli Gurriel has repeatedly defied both projections and Father Time during his run in Houston, but it looks like his fortunes have finally changed for the worse. With him only hitting .243/.293/.392 this season, first base was arguably the Astros’ biggest hole, and they fill it with a legitimate starter. Mancini could see time at DH and in the outfield to rest other players, but the team is mostly set at the corners and at DH, so he’ll likely play at first the majority of the time.
By replacing Gurriel’s at-bats, ZiPS sees the Astros as the only team in baseball with a roster strength over a .600 winning percentage. Houston has other players who can replace Siri’s playing time in center, and Murray is closer to competing in the majors than McDermott is.
The Tampa Bay Rays acquire OF Jose Siri for P Seth Johnson and P Jayden Murray
The Orioles have good outfield depth, so Siri isn’t an ideal fit for the team; by including the Rays in the three-way trade, the O’s instead get two pitchers for Mancini. Tampa isn’t doing this out of the goodness of its heart, naturally, but the season-ending injury to Kevin Kiermaier has tested the team’s depth in center. Brett Phillips has been the main recipient of playing time, but he’s struggled offensively this season, hitting a pitcher-esque .147/.225/.250. Siri provides a good glove — he’s at +6 OAA runs in CF in only 353.2 innings in the majors — and while he’s not been exciting with the bat so far with the parent club, he had a breakout season in the minors in 2021, offering some hope of a better triple-slash line. The Rays are betting that Siri will be a short-term upgrade on the just-DFAed Phillips, a bet I think will pay off. There’s even a chance that Siri will prove to be a worthy successor to Kiermaier.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Must be nice for the Rays that they are so overloaded with prospects and 40 man additions that they can trade a promising pitching prospect for an outfielder who can’t hit and probably never will.
But it’s not so nice for them that said outfielder is actually an upgrade for them. What an absolute nightmarish run of injuries.
Lowe should be better than Siri. Between that strikeout rate and balls bouncing off his head (from Mancini, coincidentally) I think they needed another option to play.
Which is the promising pitching prospect? The guy that won’t pitch next year or the 25 year old with one appearance in AAA? Perhaps, the term “prospect” is wielded too loosely by those seeking to impose their agenda?
The guy that won’t pitch next year and was a Top 100 prospect by ZiPs and for Eric in the preseason. That one.
Great, when he gets back he’ll be pushing 26 with 27 innings above low-A. Seems like a project better developed by a team favoring tomorrow over today rather than an eye on both.
IMO this is the O’s and Astros doing a great job of taking advantage of a desperate outfield situation and the fact that there appear to be no center fielders anywhere. Win, win, and…we’ll maybe we should grade on a curve for the Rays. It’s a real bad hand they got dealt.
Eric should link to this trade in every future 40 man crunch article as an illustration.
This is why 40-man timeline / options should be on THE BOARD!!
I still think a full article on the Rays and their 40 man crunch is warranted… The way they sneak into deals like this is kinda impressive.
Orioles announce Trey Mancini day giveaway – signed garbage can lid.
But what do their odds look like if they keep Mancini, call up Gunny, trade for more expensive vet rentals teams are willing to part with cheaply?
Won’t the O’s just put Johnson on the 60-day IL and get their 40-man spot back?
The limitation of the 40 man roster to 40 actual players only really matters in November when teams need to decide who to protect from the Rule 5 draft. In this case, it’s likely the Rays weren’t going to add Johnson to the roster (and probably there was some opportunity cost to adding Murray as well), and they might have been worried a team with no interest in competing for the next couple years might pick him and they’d lose him for nothing. Now the Orioles need to add him to their 40 in November, but the Orioles just have less players they need to add than the Rays (they dropped one when they moved Mancini) so it’s not as onerous for them to spend a spot on a guy who wont pitch until 2024.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/examining-the-american-leagues-2022-40-man-crunch/
I just hope the Rays got fleeced in this deal as bad as the consensus was that they got fleeced in the Parades / Meadows deal.
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Give credit to the Astros front office, this and the Vazquez move both address the team’s biggest sinkholes in the lineup.
I think there are plenty of AB to be found, especially while Brantley is out. I’m certainly interested to see how this plays out if the team gets fully healthy.
I remain unconvinced that the Astros are really going to substantially reduce Yuli’s playing time. Until I know more about Brantley’s condition I’m calling this corner OF insurance, let Yordan DH more, spell Yuli vs tough righties. Yuli has been hitting better as the season wears on also.
The Vazquez move is of similiar ilk, a dramatic offensive improvement and he’s a solid defensive catcher. However, given the pitching staff’s love for Maldonado, I don’t think CV is the new number 1 catcher. Maybe it’s more of a 50/50 split so Maldonado can get some additional rest in. Regardless, if CV can get on the same page as the pitching staff, I doubt there is a better catching time share in the majors.
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I think Brantley and Castro are both done for the year. Click promised “news on both in coming days.”
So these additions are really more replacements than upgrades, especially if Dusty continues to view Maldy as C1.
Will be interesting to see if Houston pursues another bat.