Orioles’ Roster-Building Flaws Continue With Charlie Morton Signing

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The Orioles finally got tired of being poked with a stick to choruses of “Do something!” and signed Charlie Morton to a one-year deal worth $15 million. Will this move silence those voices? Probably not! But as Baltimore’s GM, Mike Elias seems impervious to external feedback, so those still crowing may as well be talking to a wall. Then again, maybe a wall would have a better understanding of the importance of balance when it comes to construction, making it better equipped to construct a big league roster. But more on that in a minute.

In a vacuum, signing Morton to an affordable, short-term deal is a positive addition. Though 2025 will be his age-41 season, Morton has logged at least 160 innings in each of the last four years and put up league average (or better) numbers. Given the scarcity of healthy, quality pitching over the last few years, pitchers who post are extremely valuable. And if one didn’t know Morton had already crested 40, scanning his production wouldn’t yield any obvious giveaways. He has become more of a finesse pitcher, relying on command and weak contact over strikeouts, but the shift has been subtle. Over the last four seasons, he’s thrown his curveball more than his four-seamer and his groundball rate has gradually grown, while his strikeout rate has slowly dwindled. Morton’s curve is easily his best pitch by Stuff+ at 122, and that’s what he uses to induce whiffs and groundballs. His other offerings have Stuff+ scores ranging from 72 to 86, but he locates them well and they mirror the spin of his curveball to keep hitters off balance.

As a pitcher relying on his ability to keep the ball on the ground, it would make Morton’s life easier to take the mound in front of a strong infield defense. In 2024, the Orioles infielders logged -20 OAA and -14.3 defensive runs, but there is reason to think they’ll do better moving forward. Last season’s numbers include a lot of Jordan Westburg playing second base instead of third, where he’s a much stronger defender, and Ramón Urías looking at times overcooked while covering the hot corner after Westburg went down with a fractured hand. Meanwhile, this is a young team that still has room for growth. Ryan Mountcastle’s defense at first has seen small year-over-year improvements since 2022, when he made the move from the outfield permanent. Ideally, Jackson Holliday will get settled in at second, and though Gunnar Henderson’s play at shortstop is the least of anyone’s concern, given that he’s still only 23, there’s no reason to think he’s done leveling up his game.

If his recent track record continues into 2025, Morton can contribute important innings to a contending team. But in the context of the existing Orioles roster, and alongside the news that Corbin Burnes is officially off the market (with no reasonable replacement for Burnes available in free agency), bringing in Morton isn’t enough to help the O’s progress from good regular season team to successful postseason team.

Thus far, Baltimore’s offseason has been characterized by modest shuffling at the margins of the roster. First, adding Gary Sánchez to take on the James McCann role of sharing time behind the plate with Adley Rutschman to keep him fresh and productive. Then, signing Tyler O’Neill to take over for outfielder Anthony Santander, who is likely to sign elsewhere in free agency. And finally, bringing in Tomoyuki Sugano, a 35-year-old NPB veteran with questions around how well his stuff will translate to MLB. None of these moves definitively makes Baltimore better; really, the purpose of these additions is mostly to replace players who are no longer on the team. Morton, though, cannot replicate Burnes’ value, so if the Orioles are going to make up for their ace’s departure, they’ll need to find that production on the trade market.

Under Elias, the Orioles have proven they can construct a winning roster through drafting and development, but if you were to ask Elias if he’d be interested in acquiring a one-tool player, regardless of how good that tool is, he’d probably say no. But from what we can observe from the outside, Elias is a one-tool GM. He acknowledges Orioles’ owner David Rubenstein’s urgency to win a World Series, saying Rubenstein “wants to do everything we can do within our power” to reach that goal, which presumably includes spending in free agency. Elias is choosing not to. He’s overseen multiple trade deadlines and offseasons with opportunities to upgrade the roster via trade. In that span, he has acquired just one impact player — Burnes — and let him walk after one season. This approach may have worked eight years ago, when Elias was with the Astros, but in 2025, too many teams excel in multiple facets of roster construction, and Elias cannot get away with relying exclusively drafting and developing. That’s especially true for Baltimore, a team that churns out a surplus of position players from its pipeline, but not enough pitchers. The O’s need a more balanced approach.

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Elias denies that he’s unwilling to sign free agents who would require the Orioles to give up a compensatory draft pick; instead, he’s said the team weighs the value of those picks when evaluating potential signings. That’s reasonable enough, but considering how inactive the O’s have been at the top of the free agent market since Elias took over, it’s fair to wonder if he inflates the value of draft picks. Or, maybe he doesn’t adjust for the fact that draft picks provide future value, and the Orioles need major league value right now. It’s the responsibility of a GM to manage multiple objectives within the front office. That Elias seems singularly focused on building a system for sustainable success, even if it comes at the expense of winning in the present, is confounding.

Elias has made it clear that sustainability and avoiding contracts that might turn into dead money on the books is part of how he evaluates himself. As he spoke about Rubenstein’s enthusiasm for winning, he went on to say that doing everything “within our power” also means “within our skill set to approach that correctly, and there’s measurement to how you go about this business. There’s give and take. You can’t do everything that you want to do all the time.” I would argue measuring how you go about it should include the opportunity cost of moves not made. Elias may think he’s insulated himself and the team from the risk of large negative line items on his résumé by only trafficking in small scale deals, but the value lost by not signing Blake Snell or Burnes or anyone else should also show up in red ink on his performance review. Inaction carries risk that can be just as impactful as the risk of overpaying an established player. And while it’s fair to note that Elias is far from the only GM choosing to play it safe on the free agent market, if he’s so risk averse that he can’t bear the idea of handing out a contract with an AAV over $20 million, he’s going to have a tough time constructing a roster that can win a series in October.

And while we’re talking about October, the Orioles have looked good in the regular season for a couple of years now – only to get swept out of the postseason. Random variation in short series explains some, if not all, of their playoff misfortunes. But it also provides an easy excuse for justifying inertia. Baltimore’s roster has proven itself perfectly adequate for winning in the regular season. The offense is formidable and the pitching has performed well enough despite injuries and patches of inconsistency. Over the course of 162 games, there’s room for players to miss time or go through slumps, and it’s okay to rely on the fringey corners of the roster to make contributions. But to overcome the randomness of the postseason, teams need impact players who can stay locked in for a full series or carry the threat of tilting the game with one swing of the bat. And crucially, they need to be able to do it under the pressure of the postseason. As good as Baltimore is at development, it’s very difficult to develop good postseason performers without veteran teammates around to lead by example and show them how it’s done.

Re-tooling on the margins will bring the O’s continued success in the regular season, but doing that and not adding an impactful veteran presence to a young roster creates yet another imbalance, one that doesn’t consider what it takes for a roster to also be successful in the postseason. Last year, the Orioles made a move in the right direction by trading for Burnes, an established ace, to lead the pitching staff. They still didn’t manage a postseason win, but that doesn’t mean the approach was wrong. If anything, the Orioles didn’t go far enough with their roster additions. But, instead of learning from last year’s prudence, Elias seems to be backtracking.

The Orioles were smart to sign Morton; he’s still a capable pitcher and he does provide a veteran presence. But at this point in his career, he’s a complementary piece. He’s definitely not the impact pitcher that Burnes is, and an impact pitcher is what the Orioles need.

Which highlights the final imbalance on the Orioles’ roster, a rotation built entirely out of starters who either hover around league average or have upside but lack consistency. And unless Trevor Rogers or Cade Povich wins a spot in that rotation, it will also be composed entirely of righties. It’s a perfectly fine rotation for plodding through a regular season, but not one that intimidates in October. Sure, the Dodgers proved you can win a World Series with a cast of mostly middling pitchers pieced together by Dr. Frankenstein, but given the rapidity with which they signed Snell, it’s clear they’re not bold enough to think they can make that work more than once. So while it’s certainly possible to have success without a clear no. 1 starter, it’s something a contending team should try only out of necessity — not by choice.

The Morton signing makes the Orioles better, but only in comparison to where they were after they didn’t re-sign Burnes. Because compared to last year’s rotation, this one is worse.





Kiri lives in the PNW while contributing part-time to FanGraphs and working full-time as a data scientist. She spent 5 years working as an analyst for multiple MLB organizations. You can find her on Bluesky @kirio.bsky.social.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

The Orioles are pretty consistent about signing free agents who project as #5 starters, maybe a #4 if things break right. But now the standards are higher.

They’ve got an interesting group because of the arms at AAA who could be anything, but their top-projected starters are at about 2.5 wins by Steamer (Eflin, Rodriguez). At least if those guys at AAA are bums they’re the 6th, 7th, and 8th options and not the 4th or 5th, but you’re also giving fewer chances for McDermott / Young / Povich / Rogers to do well if things break right.

Whether it is right or wrong, it is a very conservative strategy!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I just checked, the Orioles are actually spending a bit more money this year thanks to O’Neill, Eflin, Morton, Sugano, Sanchez, and Seranthony Dominguez, all of whom were not on this team in training camp last year. So they’re spending money now.

But the only guaranteed money on the entire roster for 2026 is O’Neill. $16.5M in total, which puts them last in terms of guaranteed money for 2026. Behind Tampa Bay, the White Sox, Reds, and Marlins.

I don’t know whether the constraints the Orioles operate under are real or imagined but this is the behavior of a front office who thinks something bad is going to happen and they need a cushion of prospects / money to deal with it.

orioles fanMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s the behavior of a GM who, when he was hired, said he was going to do two things: 1) create an “elite talent pipeline” that would prevent 2) “this” (the general wretchedness of the organization’s previous 40 years) from ever happening again.

He’s spreading the risk around. Instead of using the money for one or two top players, Elias is obtaining a bunch of slightly above average and/or high-floor players.

One can argue against his strategy (and many fans here in Baltimore are upset), but six years ago when he was hired he told everyone what he was going to do. Folks are just surprised that Elias is so single mindedly sticking to his strategy.

David Klein
1 year ago
Reply to  orioles fan

Luhnow had the same plan and yet traded for Verlander when the team became a contender and took another swing on Greinke two years later.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

I seem to recall that Luhnow didn’t want to trade for Verlander because he didn’t want to trade any prospects and the owner told him to make a deal.

There are some real similarities there, I think.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

That’s pretty wild because it’s not like the prospects they traded in the Verlander deal were anything special. Daz Cameron was the centerpiece and he wasn’t a top-100 prospect in 2017.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

Franklin Perez was a back-end Top-100 prospect, but you know how that turned out (if only because you don’t recognize the name)

justregularMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The 2017 Astros Verlander get is a vivid memory – Dallas Keuchel from the clubhouse after the usual Luhnow (now Elias) conservatism went public airing grievances, and it resulted in action after a quiet July deadline. Those Astros had the 2nd chance of the August waivers deadline, and it still amazes me all the opponents let Verlander through. Will Adley or Gunnar ever pipe up?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  orioles fan

The only weird part of that to me is that he has not locked up a single young guy to a long-term contract.

I understand that Adley and others had big signing bonuses, so they might be tricky to lock up. And Gunnar would take at least $300M (which they should do anyway, but I see the argument against it). But how is it that a team wants to build for future success and doesn’t lock up a single player in their core?

Maybe we will see more of this in the future that they’re not picking in the top 5 every year, but they also won’t have quite the same pipeline of elite talent then either…

tdmocMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m not convinced many of their young stars want to sign an extension. Gunnar Henderson, Jordan Westburg, and Jackson Holliday are all Boras clients.

Adley Rutschman is an interesting case because his 2024 second half was Not Good, and the record on aging catchers is also Not Good. But he’s a symbol of the rebuild, and you can buy some good will by extending him.

Grayson Rodriguez feels like a good opportunity to capitalize on injury risk. If he has a productive, healthy 2025, that opportunity to extend him might fade as well. iirc buying out two FA years would get his age 30-31 seasons.

BufordMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  tdmoc

Grayson Rodriguez is also a Boras client.

tdmocMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  Buford

Huh, do you have a source on that? I’ve never seen that but this stuff usually isn’t heavily publicized this far from free agency

anthonydwMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  tdmoc

Never understood the “will get you good will” argument. And that will be worth what when negotiating with Boras?

tdmocMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  anthonydw

I’m talking about the fans who buy tickets and merchandise. Maybe you interact with a different portion of the O’s fan base than I do, but I regularly see a lot of complaining about Elias’ failure to extend the team’s best young players.

cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If I’m Boras I’m not listening to any extension offer that’s less than $650M

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  cashgod27

Yeah, the window for extending Gunnar was December of 2023, when the market value for him was roughly the Bobby Witt deal. After an 8-win season and the Soto deal I think that price is well in excess of Trout’s extensions. IIRC the first one was about $150M to buy out his arbitration years and a couple of years of free agency. Right now that if he is willing to sign an extension (and with Boras as his agent, he probably isn’t) you’re looking at well over $200M, probably $250M, maybe as high as $300M. So, basically the Bobby Witt deal, but crammed into many fewer years.

And that’s only if that deal appeals to him.

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MCC1701Member since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

What’s the argument against locking up Gunnar? Even if he does not have the glove to stick at SS for most of the contract, his bat plays at basically every other position and the O’s only have long-term solutions at 2B and 3B

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  MCC1701

$600M is a lot of money? That’s the main argument against it.

sadhulkMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Henderson and Westburg were both sandwich round picks and that might be why they overvalue those picks, Mayo was also an over slot 4th rounder.

I see why they have the mindset they do about the kind of picks that are lost in free agency but who knows if that scouting and development success are sustainable and they’re also hugging prospects to the point they’re withering on the vine.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadhulk

At some point you get a Connor Norby situation where there’s not a real place for them to develop, but it’s harder to block your own guys than it looks.

The main flashpoint is the outfield with Kjerstad, Beavers, and Fabian, with Bradfield coming up hot and Mayo maybe needing a position switch. It’s not a strict numbers situation, but I think you could make the argument that Kjerstad has learned everything he can in the minors and he needs to go somewhere that he can figure things out in MLB, but with O’Neill’s injury history he will probably get that chance. Mayo will get more chances at third in the minors, and maybe they move Fabian back to AA if Bradfield forces his way out of AA. But at some point one of Beavers or Kjerstad is going to have to go. It’s uncomfortable but not unworkable.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I know that the O’s probably won’t platoon someone they just signed to a 3-year deal, but O’Neill really should cede time to Kjerstad with righties on the mound.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  orioles fan

Methinks Elias has fallen in love with his prospects.

slgsreds
1 year ago

Keep this same energy for the teams that are actively doing nothing. Blue Jays, Braves, Mariners, Twins, Guardians….But apparently its just always the Orioles that people are gonna dump on.

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  slgsreds

Oh, c’mon!!

There has been plenty of commentary on the M’s, Twins, Guardians & their spendthrift ways on here.

The Braves payroll is over $200M, so are the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays lack of signings feels like it’s more due to players wanting to go elsewhere/need to overpay then them just being cheap.

slgsreds
1 year ago
Reply to  PC1970

Hows that 200 Million payroll working out for the Blue Jays and what have the Braves done to address the loss of Fried+ their outfield and SS issues?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  slgsreds

The Braves are more than fine, the Blue Jays are desperately trying to get someone to take their money, and Guardians are off trading for all the post-prospect pitchers. But the Mariners deserve all the scorn they get.

thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  slgsreds

People are dumping on the Orioles because they’ve successfully accomplished the hardest part of the rebuilding process, by far, and yet are seemingly refusing to do the easy part of trading excess prospects and/or spending money on frontline pitching, and are thus threatening to waste their competitive window in an extremely difficult division.

orioles fanMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  thaalderman

I would note that the “competitive window” type thinking is something Elias rejects (and as a fan of the team, am thankful for). Competitive window implies that at some point the team falls off and needs to rebuild. Elias intends to always be in contention and always have some flow of prospects coming up. I think that’s one of the main reasons you see the one-year contracts. He refuses to gamble on a top FA whose contract might (probably will) end up destroying the team financially down the line.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  orioles fan

The only way to never fall off is to spend money, once the high draft picks stop coming.

It will be interesting to see if they become less conservative once Rubenstein’s people have done a full accounting of things

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago

The Orioles have roughly doubled their payroll in two years. It’s wild how many people keep acting like they haven’t spent money.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

The difference between their 2025 projected payroll and their 2015 payroll is Morton.

They spent less than the Rays, two years ago…because they had spent the previous few years tanking.

So. It’ll be interesting if Rubenstein turns on the taps and lets them spend like HOU/ATL rather than SEA/CIN.

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago

The Orioles are projected to have a payroll above $140 million according to FanGraphs and Spotrac. That would be the third highest payroll in franchise history.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Downvoting me won’t change the fact that they had a $144m payroll when Elias took over, mate.

Hence my interest in whether Rubinstein plans to turn on the taps, relative to what the Angelos family could afford in the 2010s, and turn them into a true mid-major team.

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago

Downvoting me won’t change the fact that they had a $144m payroll when Elias took over, mate.

It shouldn’t be a big deal for you to admit that you had no idea how much Baltimore had already increased spending, as your comments make it clear that you didn’t have a clue that they were going to end up near the league median. Lots of people have made the same sort of ignorant comments, so I really don’t blame you on that, but watching you make excuses for that mistake instead of acknowledging it is disappointing. 

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

We clearly have different ideas of what “increasing spending” means, within the context of a new ownership group.

That’s why you keep harping on the fact that they’re spending almost as much this season as they did during the Duquette/Showalter years (They spent $180m in 2017, when the CBT was at $195m!) as some sort of “GOTCHA!”

…while I try, over and over, and over, and over again to explain that I’m interested to see whether Rubinstein allows the FO to spend beyond their historical payroll limits.

thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  orioles fan

Elias might reject the idea, but unless he can figure out a way to extend Gunnar and Adley, this is almost certainly the best shot he has at winning a championship.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  orioles fan

If that means another crop of Adley, Gunnar and Grayson that would be nice but that won’t be easy. The only way there isn’t a “competitive window” is either sign players long term or become the Rays, who signed the wrong player long term

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  thaalderman

People are dumping on the Orioles because they’ve successfully accomplished the hardest part of the rebuilding process, by far, and yet are seemingly refusing to do the easy part of trading excess prospects and/or spending money on frontline pitching

People are dumping on the Orioles because they’re sheep who mindlessly repeat a popular narrative without bothering to check any facts.

Elias has traded excess prospects. He moved Joey Ortiz (3.1 fWAR) and D.L. Hall (future closer) for one season of Corbin Burnes. During the season, he traded Baumeister, Etzel, and Horvath for Zach Eflin. He also traded Connor Norby and Kyle Stowers for Trevor Rogers, a cost-controlled left-hander. I don’t like Rogers and I wouldn’t have done that trade, but it doesn’t change the fact that Elias traded “excess prospects.”

Elias has also doubled the Orioles’ payroll in just two seasons. They’ve gone from $68,706,439 in 2023, which was an embarrassingly low amount, to now being close to the league median at a projected $143 million. Adding Tyler O’Neill directly addressed the lineup’s biggest weakness, as his career 152 wRC+ against left-handed pitching is a dramatic upgrade over Santander’s 116. Gary Sanchez is also a ~1 fWAR upgrade over James McCann.

I would have preferred to sign Kikuchi and Scherzer rather than Sugano and Morton, but the moves Elias has made are entirely reasonable. He did go for it last winter, that didn’t work, and he would be completely insane to do what you’re suggesting by giving up what’s left from the farm to grab another one season rental.

Unless Beavers takes a major leap forward, there are no excess prospects left. Mayo is needed against left-handed pitching and is capable of playing 3B / 1B / DH. Kjerstad is the fourth outfielder behind O’Neill, Mullins, and Cowser, so he will receive plenty of at-bats. Basallo isn’t ready yet, but will take over for Sanchez after this season. Bradfield isn’t ready yet, but will take over for Mullins after this season.

Last edited 1 year ago by jdbolick
Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Yeah…”We traded Norby for Rogers, we signed a mid-level FA who’s best used in a platoon when he’s not injured, and the payroll’s back to the level it was when he took over” aren’t exactly stirring rebuttals to the idea that Elias is operating from a scarcity mentality that’s preventing them from adding the external impact talent needed to take them to the next level.

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago

You’re being blatantly dishonest by neglecting to mention the trades for Burnes and Eflin, along with downplaying the Orioles being projected to have the third highest payroll in team history. And while O’Neill is far more dangerous against LHPs, which is exactly why Elias targeted him, he still has a 104 wRC+ against RHPs.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

My son, trading spare parts to pay a 3rd starter $18m is in second place on your “Well AKSHULLY” list of impact moves, followed by bringing payroll back to where it was before the (necessary and successful!) tear down.

Again, he did a great job operating with John Angelos-era budget constraints.

Now we’ll see if he plans to model them on the Indians/Twins or the Braves.

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago

My son, trading spare parts to pay a 3rd starter $18m is in second place on your “Well AKSHULLY” list of impact moves

Zach Eflin is 24th amongst all pitchers in fWAR since 2021, so pretending that he’s just “a third starter” just shows how desperate you are to avoid admitting that you were wrong.

And you’re still ignoring the trade for Burnes.

Last edited 1 year ago by jdbolick
thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

And yet it’s 2025 and Burnes is a Diamondback, Rogers had one good half season three years ago, and Eflin is a valuable mid-rotation starter but not someone you should feel confident throwing in Games 1 or 2 of a playoff series. Also, except for Ortiz, the players used to acquire them were more or less a bunch of spare parts. Hall was a reclamation project who not even the Brewers could prevent from ending up in the bullpen, Stowers was 26 and blocked by no less than five other OFers, and nobody else was better than a 40+ FV or ranked higher than 13th in the system when dealt.

It’d be different story if Bradish was healthy, but as currently constructed, the Orioles simply lack frontline starting pitching relative to their competitors, and are also dangerously exposed to injury. Signing Burnes or Snell would have been the easiest way to address that weakness, but if they weren’t willing or able to do that, then keeping Hjerstad and Mayo as depth instead of using one or both of them to trade for somebody like Crochet, Cease, Castillo, or Alcantara, or even Luzardo or Valdez is just a poor allocation of resources.

It’s much easier to find fourth outfielders or short-side platoon bats than starting pitchers capable of missing bats in the postseason, and Baltimore’s lack of them is likely to cost them either when they’re forced deal for pitching at the deadline anyway, or when staring down a disadvantage vs Seattle (Gilbert, Kirby, Castillo), New York (Cole, Fried, Gil), Tampa (McClanahan, Pepiot, Bradley), Minnesota (Lopez, Ryan, Ober), Kansas City (Ragans, Lugo), Boston (Crochet, Houck), Detroit (Skubal, Jobe?), or Texas (DeGrom, Eovaldi) in a short series, let alone Los Angeles or Philadelphia in the World Series.

Its not “mindless” when the narrative is correct. People want the Orioles to succeed, and they’re baffled because they seemingly refuse to take the path of least resistance to doing so.

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  thaalderman

Eflin is a valuable mid-rotation starter but not someone you should feel confident throwing in Games 1 or 2 of a playoff series.

Eflin is the 24th most valuable starter since 2021 and had a stellar outing against the Royals in Game 2 three months ago.

 keeping Hjerstad and Mayo as depth instead of using one or both of them to trade for somebody like Crochet, Cease, Castillo, or Alcantara, or even Luzardo or Valdez is just a poor allocation of resources.

This is the kind of comment I would expect to see on Bleacher Report, not FanGraphs. People on this site should be knowledgeable enough to realize that major league teams have injuries, so trading away your fourth outfielder and fifth infielder is a terrible idea, and that’s if Mayo doesn’t enter the season as the primary DH. Both of those players are needed in Baltimore right now, they aren’t excess value to be exchanged for a one year rental.

It’s much easier to find fourth outfielders or short-side platoon bats than starting pitchers capable of missing bats in the postseason, and Baltimore’s lack of them is likely to cost them either when they’re forced deal for pitching at the deadline anyway

Again, someone who frequents FanGraphs should already be aware that what let Baltimore down each of the last two postseasons was the lineup, not their pitching. Mayo was one of the best prospects in the minor leagues last season and is essential to Baltimore’s future. You’re only pretending otherwise because you’re embarrassed that everything you said was wrong.

Its not “mindless” when the narrative is correct.

Unfortunately for you, nothing that you wrote was correct.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Ohemgee, teams have INJURIES?!?!

Thank goodness for your indelible insight.

Such an elegant refutation of his suggestion that their might be any sort of opportunity cost to hoarding MLB ready prospects at positions of existing depth, rather than seizing the opportunity to co-create value.

All of teh ownage. Much wow.

You sure showed him!

Anyway, one of the flaws of Management Consulting pricks like Luhnow and Zaidi as opposed to Law or Business guys like Epstein and Stearns is that their need to “win” trades can cause them to leave value on the table, relative to someone approaching negotiations with the mentality of improving their team as much as possible.

thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Eflin had a sub 20% K% last year, which is consistent with his career 20.8% mark. He’s a good pitcher, but he doesn’t miss bats, and you’re simply at a disadvantage throwing him vs Skubal, Cole, Crochet, McClanahan, DeGrom, Ragans, etc. (aka the Orioles’ direct competition) in Game 1 of a playoff series.

And injuries do happen! Specifically to Grayson Rodriguez, and fairly often thus far in his career. But they’re easier to cover when they happen to an offense that ranked third in MLB with a 115 team wRC+ in 2024 vs a pitching staff that’s one sore elbow away from running out AARP-eligible Charlie Morton and Dean Kremer as their 2 and 3 starters, in part because league-average bats are far cheaper and more ready available at the deadline than league average, let alone plus, starting pitching is.

It’s pretty clear at this point that there’s nothing anyone can say that’ll induce you to even mildly reconsider your position, so all I’ll say is good luck! Thankfully, most Orioles fans I’ve met are far less abrasive and needlessly hostile than you’ve been, so I hope it works out for you guys. I don’t think it will, for the reasons outlined above, but that’s why they play the games.

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markakis21
1 year ago
Reply to  slgsreds

The blue jays suck and can’t spend their way out. The Braves are already spending quite a lot! And did lots of things! And those things that they did in the past spare them from needing to do things this year. And Mariners hit pieces are super common. The Twins arent good enough to waste ink on. And the Guardians are well-established cheapskates.

I know your whole schtick is “no one can ever say anything negative about the orioles ever” but c’mon man. This is pathetic.

agel20
1 year ago

How we gonna say that the Orioles have failed in the playoffs “without veteran leadership around to lead by example to show how it’s done”? Burnes went 8 IP with 1 ER, Zach Eflin was great in his outing, Aaron Hicks hit big hits during the ALDS in 2023, Ced scored their only run in 2024, Santander performed well in 23. The vets stepped up in each of those playoff series.

The young guys gotta bring the regular season performances into the playoffs, that’s literally the entire story with the Orioles every year. Anything you write about the Orioles roster for the next 3-4 years will be about how their young players perform, because their roster is built around star young players, rather than star players in the middle of their careers. If your star young players don’t perform, you’re not going to win playoff series.

theoriolewayMember since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  agel20

Yep. The Orioles will sink or swim based on Gunnar, Adley, Jackson, Jordan, Coby, Heston and Colton. Even this year, they were a bad luck Rutschman–Witt ground ball trade (Witt game-winning hit in Game 2: 108 mph exit velocity + 0 deg launch angle = 48% hit probability; Rutschman hit an at ’em 97 mph ev + 7 deg launch angle = 46% hit probability with the bases loaded that would have given the O’s a lead in the 5th innning) from going to Game 3 against the Royals. I really don’t think this year’s playoff loss is indicative of anything more than bad luck. And Santander being highly overrated.

theoriolewayMember since 2026
1 year ago

This whole view of Elias essentially boils down to Corbin Burnes signing with the Diamondbacks instead of the Orioles (who may or may not have offered more money, depending on which report you read). A rotation that lacks Corbin Burnes is rather obviously worse off in one important regard than one that includes him. But is a (potential) 2025 post-season rotation of Grayson Rodriguez, Kyle Bradish, Zac Eflin and Dean Kremer clearly worse than the 2024 one of Burnes, Eflin, Kremer and… Cade Povich or Albert Suarez?

I think the Orioles have demonstrated they value depth more than most fans and analysts. Signing Morton and Sugano both very much fit that mold, and are designed as much to help get to that ideal postseason rotation as they are to help win games come October. I don’t think there’s a strong argument the Orioles should have done more to bolster their offense, so it comes down to the best use of resources on the pitching side. Given health, stuff, age, etc., it’s hardly indefensible for a team like the Orioles to decide Snell, Fried, etc. aren’t worth the contracts they ended up signing.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  theorioleway

But is a (potential) 2025 post-season rotation of Grayson Rodriguez, Kyle Bradish, Zac Eflin and Dean Kremer clearly worse than the 2024 one of Burnes, Eflin, Kremer and… Cade Povich or Albert Suarez?

I don’t think that comparison makes sense. If Bradish is healthy and up to a 3-win standard, it would have been Burnes, Bradish, Eflin, and Rodriguez vs a rotation that takes out Burnes and adds Kremer. Obviously the first one is better.

But that’s the only possible comparison. If Bradish and Eflin get hurt (and they do have injury issues), then you would have Rodriguez and Kremer in both scenarios. But in the first scenario, you’re looking at the difference between Burnes + McDermott/Young/Povich and Morton + Sugano. And your answer to that question is still probably the first one simply because it’s way more valuable in a 3-game series to have Burnes, but in the 7-game series it’s definitely a debate.

Not that it matters, there are good reasons to not want to offer Burnes that huge deal and he might not have taken it anyway if he wanted to pitch close to home.

captainjameshookMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I was never extremely concerned about the K% drop during the season because of the innings he was providing and I think he will continue to provide quality innings. I think that’s why the O’s (and other teams that did not get that signature) offered the money they did. I think the the Orioles might be the least concerned of the final suitors though that he didn’t sign because of the potential downside considering their 1 year deal penchants.
Is that a reason to not sign an ace(ish) starter? Stupendously not! But I think they offered something competitive and it didn’t work out. I don’t think they’re done with this offseason though.
If I’m the Orioles, I’m pushing for Roki hard and my main selling point is that I’m unwilling to break any commitments to any international signees because I’m only now getting started there. Is it the best one? Maybe it could be?!
And I’m trying to pry Castillo because the M’s can’t count on just being 5 deep again. A Mountcastle/Kremer/Povich for Castillo trade would help out both teams while allowing the Mariners to also not sign Pete Alonso to help out their lineup (presumably on the basis he strikes out too much)

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  theorioleway

Why can’t they utilize depth and front-end rotation types (or type)? They couldn’t have signed Morton and Burnes? Depth can help you win postseason games, but a guy like Burnes probably helps more.

Thelongball24Member since 2016
1 year ago

I think I am the only person on the planet that thinks the moves have been exactly what this franchise needs to build a team that competes at the top of the AL East. Yes, an ace would put it over the top… but the offseason is not over and there is pitching depth. This team will be competitive in every game. I see the issue being postseason… and I still think that can be remedied now or during the season.

andrewscott80Member since 2024
1 year ago

That Elias seems singularly focused on building a system for sustainable success, even if it comes at the expense of winning in the present, is confounding.

This indictment serves as the “kill shot” of the piece, but I’d encourage the author to prove why this is such a negative, because we can’t simply assume it as such. Fans, of course, want to sacrifice long-term success on the altar of short-term gains because we have finite attention spans. But is that what a rational GM or franchise should do? Is your World Series victory probability higher with, say, three years of a true talent 100-win roster or five years of a 90-win? Someone should do the math to either refute or validate this critique of Elias, since he’s clearly chosen the latter path and it’s not immediately clear he’s wrong.

As an aside, it’s a bit disingenuous to talk about risk appetite without bringing in the context of resource disparity. If Elias knew he could run $300M payrolls for perpetuity, then obviously he’d be more willing to overspend for an ace; $30M of deadweight on a $150M payroll is far more crippling. But he cannot run those payrolls, because the economics of the sport reserve that privilege for certain high-revenue (Yankees and Dodgers make $200M-$300M than the Orioles, by one source) or “richer than God” (Cohen-owned Mets) teams alone.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  andrewscott80

This is what I was getting at in my comment up above. I don’t know exactly why the O’s front office is acting this way, but they are definitely acting like (a) the 90-win roster for 5 years is better and (b) that the 95+ win roster would tax the resources enough that the 5-year window would shorten.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  andrewscott80

The question really is whether Rubenstein will turn on the taps relative to the notoriously cash-poor Angelos clan.

fanofthemanMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  andrewscott80

I’d love to see a writer here attempt to model that (maybe Ben with one of his Monte Carlo simulations?) and see what impact different assumptions have on optimal strategy and when it’s better to aim for 5 90+ win seasons vs 3 98+ win seasons

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KvnMember since 2026
1 year ago

There’s an incredible amount of coping and revisionism going on among Orioles fans here and elsewhere. Two years ago everyone was saying to wait until the 2024/2025 offseasons and then you’ll see Elias make a splash. Now we’re here with new ownership no less and all of a sudden it’s not only unreasonable but in fact very sensible for him not to spend at the top (or even middle) of the class. A couple years from now these same people will be extolling the virtues of letting all of their young stars walk so that Elias can make a few extra comp round selections.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Kvn

The one revisionist history part that bothers me is that for a long time, people said that what they were doing is drafting a billion position players and the O’s would trade them for pitching later. And they sort of did that, for Eflin and Rogers and Burnes, but they’ve steered far away from trading the blue-chippers.

Ortiz was a 50 here but I think Kiley had him as a 45+ and he was blocked everywhere, so you can technically argue they did that, once (someone did do this recently in response to my assertion that Elias prospect-hugs, and I imagine he will do it again in response to this. You can decide whether doing that means Elias is not a propect-hugger).

But Mac Horvath, Matthew Etzel, Connor Norby, and Kyle Stowers are not what people had in mind when they said “trade hitting prospects for pitching.” People were thinking of Kjerstad and Mayo types of prospects.

FWIW, I loved the Eflin deal and thought it might have been the steal of the deadline. I still love it. And I also think you can argue that he is making the right move by not trading Kjerstad and Mayo-level prospects. But it’s not at all what most people expected would happen.

andrewscott80Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Ortiz was a 50 here but I think Kiley had him as a 45+ and he was blocked everywhere, so you can technically argue they did that, once (someone did do this recently in response to my assertion that Elias prospect-hugs, and I imagine he will do it again in response to this. You can decide whether doing that means Elias is not a propect-hugger).

I think the way to frame it is Elias has only traded prospects who weren’t part of the big picture plan. It matters less that Ortiz was a 45 or 50 and more that a) Westburg / Gunnar / Holliday was the infield of the near-term future and b) Ortiz was burning option years, so trading him was fairly painless and was becoming a “use it or lose it” scenario. Ditto the Norbys and Stowers of the world. With Mayo, there’s obvious reluctance to part with a 55-type guy, but the bigger barrier is he’s pencilled in as the 1B of the near-term future.

This is a sensible approach for keeping the window open. The problem is that if you only make painless trades of surplus players, you’re necessarily limiting your trade universe. In this analysis, Kjerstad could be the most likely prospect to be moved, since his long-term role is less clear with Tyler O’Neill (potentially) on the roster for the next three years.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  andrewscott80

Yeah that was not at all a vote of confidence in Kjerstad. He could always DH but you can find DH’s for pretty cheap. Probably the thing to do is stash him in AAA until O’Neill gets hurt.

justregularMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I believe the Orioles are hoping they can get a little more out of O’Neill so he goes from 80% QO-worthy to 100%, opts out of the last 2/33, and Elias gets one good season for the first 16.5 and a sweet sweet comp pick.

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Kvn

There’s an incredible amount of coping and revisionism going on among Orioles fans here and elsewhere.

There’s an incredible amount of bullshit being targeted at Orioles fans here and elsewhere.

 Now we’re here with new ownership no less and all of a sudden it’s not only unreasonable but in fact very sensible for him not to spend at the top (or even middle) of the class.

Baltimore went from a payroll of $68,706,439 in 2023 to a payroll projection of over $140 million in just two years.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Ya dood.

The “bullshit” is definitely “targeted at Orioles fans” in marked contrast to your incredibly good-faith point about payroll!!!!

The fact that the Orioles had a $140m payroll when Elias took over is completely irrelevant to this discussion 😂

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago

The fact that the Orioles had a $140m payroll when Elias took over is completely irrelevant to this discussion

Yes, it is completely irrelevant, especially given that the largest single chunk of that came from one of the worst contracts in baseball history. Elias has spent a considerable amount in free agency the last two winters, to the point that their ranking in payroll is now higher than their ranking in revenue.

If you expected Baltimore to be in the top ten for spending just because they have a new owner, that’s your own fault for being comically unrealistic.

basically baseballMember since 2024
1 year ago

Elias is really bad at trades. Gave up too much for one year of Burnes and gave up too much for a bad pitcher in Rogers. Other GMs don’t like dealing with him because he thinks he is smarter than they are and tries to prove it, but usually fails. The new owner should be looking for someone to give him better advice if he wants a World Series before he dies.

puddleMember since 2017
1 year ago

by that logic, other GMs should love trading with him, no?

JCCfromDCMember since 2016
1 year ago

When the author posts about the O’s “letting [Burnes] walk after one season” they are committing the same fallacy that is so. very. popular. among fans and the commentariat. That it’s simply up to the team where a free agent signs. It’s not. That’s why it’s called “free agency.” According to the reports Burnes reached out to the Diamondbacks because he lives in the area and want to be close to his infant kids.What were the O’s supposed to do about that?

When fans lament that teams are “failing” to lock up their young players to long term deals they rarely if ever account for the fact that many players want to get to free agency as soon as possible. Yes, the Braves got a great deal when they signed Albies to an extension. I think that players are leery of being the next Albies.

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JCCfromDC

I think of it as Homer’s Law – only my team has agency.

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago

As an Orioles fan, I am very frustrated and disappointed about this move. Morton is an innings eater, which the O’s already have. What they need is someone capable of excellence, and while Scherzer isn’t what he used to be, he’s still a lot closer to that level than Morton.

TommyfastballMember since 2016
1 year ago

“maybe a wall would have a better understanding of the importance of balance when it comes to construction, making it better equipped to construct a big league roster”

Really? I pay to read this shit commentary???

BirdStackMember since 2026
1 year ago

It’s a bummer that we can’t just have a separate article called “Orioles Burned by not signing Burnes” or whatever. This article spends the minimum amount of time on Morton that it has to, whom it admits is a decent signing.

In the context of new ownership taking over after last offseason, and the fact that last year they were a 90 win projected team WITH Burnes (no one anticipated Gunnar doing quite that much), we are really talking about three big missed opportunities, Snell, Crochet, and Burnes. While us Os fans will surely be missing contributions from an ace if the Orioles stand pat going into OD, it seems reactionary and clickbaity to say stuff like (paraphrasing) “maybe a wall would be better at roster construction”.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  BirdStack

Yeah, I think the big miss is not outbidding the Sox for Crochet – Burnes wanted AZ if the money was similar.

Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
1 year ago

Isn’t it mostly random factors and BABIP luck that sunk the Orioles in the playoffs last year?

They seem talented enough to make a run and are positioned to add impact players in July.

I think it’s a tiny bit of a harsh article, not completely untrue but not 100% fair either.

D-WizMember since 2019
1 year ago

Elias has already proven he’s not really equipped to flip the switch from rebuild mode to contender mode… As an O’s fan, I’m glad he was able to get as much young talent as he has, but he’s like 4 or 5 transaction windows late on flipping that switch. Time to fire Mike Elias!

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago

Their team composition looks like the Mets to me – both talented lineups that are likely to push them into the playoffs but not a rotation that will scare anyone come October.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago

Who’s left? Sasaki, Flaherty, Montgomery, Castillo, Lopez? Mid season Gausman, Berrios?

Looks uninspiring

anthonydwMember since 2024
1 year ago

Weird, poorly written article. If you want to write an article about poor team building, then write it. But don’t headline it as putatively being about Morton’s signing. It’s as if the author was assigned to do a piece on Morton but really wanted to do a rip job on Elias/Orioles FO. So begrudgingly says tl;dr: Decent signing. Now let’s talk about something tangentially related to that signing rather than going into any depth on the signing itself.

I should add I don’t particularly disagree with either of the two articles contained in this one piece, but….just bad writing/framing.

AdvancetherunnerMember since 2021
1 year ago

And the American League is currently as “gettable” as it will historically be. I think NYY wins 90+ games but all the AL Central teams have flaws and HOU and/or SEA is manageable; SEA may even trade Castillo to BAL if they inquired, but that’s the point of this article. BAL seems to have decided ‘treading water’, albeit at a high level, is the best plan.

DoubleJ
1 year ago

This take aged poorly and predictably. A year of a broken Verlander cost exactly as much as Morton. I’ll set the over on Morton’s 2025 WAR at 2x Verlander’s.

There’s also zero indication that Elias is done. This was such a too-early take.

gdog106894Member since 2020
1 year ago

The “Elias doesn’t know how to do free agency” clamor is basic sports radio-level critique. He quickly turned a laughing stock of an organization into a major power, positioned for years of success. He has had exactly one off-season (this one) with an owner willing to spend ANY money. John Angelos was not interested in anything other than lining his own pockets. He did not “let Burnes walk” – Burnes took less money to go home. And I don’t blame him. But I surely don’t blame Mike Elias. How many free-agent replacements are out there to fill the Burnes void? None. Sugano and Morton are not Burnes. But they are veteran quality depth which every contender should be piling up. Take a look at what the Dodgers have done in recent years. And then there is the “Elias doesn’t know how to do trades” hand-wringing. He was smart enough to make a deadline deal last season for a quality starter than would not be just a two-month rental. Zach Eflin will be a key piece of the rotation this year. I’d call that planning ahead for the possibility that Burnes would leave. Imagine what the radio callers would be saying if Eflin wasn’t there? Instead…nobody mentions him at all. Last year’s news, I guess. Trading for Aces is not an easy thing to do. The notion that the Orioles should overpay because they have so much talent is ridiculous. If you had a million dollars, would you pay $150,000 for a new Toyota just because you have the money? Based on the success at last year’s deadline, I don’t see anything wrong with the O’s off-season so far. Elias has from now until this year’s deadline to shape the team for the playoff run. How about let the guy work for a while under the new ownership and see what he can do? He’s done nothing so far except successfully overhaul bottom-to-top a previously dormant organization. He’s the best thing that’s happened to Baltimore in decades.

jdbolickMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  gdog106894

Amen. I didn’t expect the Orioles to be competitive until around this time frame, so Elias is a victim of his own success by starting it two years ago. People constantly insist that he hasn’t traded prospects even though he has, and that he hasn’t spent money, even though Baltimore has doubled its payroll in two years.

I’m fine with legitimate criticism, but most of what is leveled against Elias and the Orioles are lazy narratives we already know to be wrong.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  gdog106894

Saying “The Orioles could and should have beaten Boston’s offer for Crochet” is not the same thing as saying they should have overpaid for him.

As it stands, they’re entering the season with two #3s, two #4s, and a pair of wild cards in Sugano and Rogers.

They’ll win 90 games…but they don’t have the high-end pitching to hang with top teams in the playoffs.

cm26Member since 2025
1 year ago

Why are we pretending that a team needs high end pitching to do well in the playoffs? We all know the playoffs are a crapshoot, right?

Of course the Orioles would improve their odds by getting better in any way, but we’re talking a few percentage points here and there.

Not the difference between a shot and no shot.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  cm26

This is a hilarious retort, given how thoroughly this year’s playoffs demonstrated the diminishing returns from heavy repeat usage of relievers (to the point where it inspired research confirming the same).

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cm26Member since 2025
1 year ago

Not convinced that a single playoffs can tell us that much given the sample size issues.

Would love to read more about research over larger samples. Mind sending a link? Or at least some names of researchers?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  cm26

Sure, I guess this has been a long running issue – it just didn’t get noticed until too many teams tried to build their pitching staff along the same lines as these Orioles:

https://baseballaheadinthecount.blogspot.com/2022/01/dont-let-opposing-hitters-see-same.html?m=1

Murph3Member since 2025
1 year ago

Stephen A, is that you?