Padres, Braves Exchange Toxic Assets
Note: this is all pending physicals, so
Follow-up note: physicals complete! Trade official. Update included at the very bottom.
Usually, we’re at least able to focus on the baseball side of things. Even though we all recognize that baseball is a business, we’ve gotten good at ignoring that part, focusing on the more baseball-y parts of player transactions. Business matters some in the Mark Melancon trade, but it seems mostly about the Nationals getting a good closer, and the Pirates getting some longer-term pieces. You know, baseball stuff. We’re all in it for the baseball stuff, after all, because the business part is seldom entertaining.
The Padres and Braves have made a business move. Oh, sure, there’s a baseball side, kind of. The Braves must see something in Matt Kemp, something they didn’t see in Hector Olivera. To help cover some of Kemp’s remaining cost, the Padres are reportedly including $10 – 12 million. It would be possible to look at this and think only about the roster implications. But this is mostly just a money move, and from where I sit, the Padres are coming out ahead.
Hector Olivera is nothing. I mean, Hector Olivera is a person, a person who was suspended on account of misdemeanor assault and battery, but in baseball terms, Hector Olivera is nothing. He’s to be considered a sunk cost, and I’d assume that when this trade becomes official, the Padres will pretty quickly designate Olivera for assignment. Sure, maybe he’ll hit one day. Maybe he could be worth something one day. But he hasn’t performed, he isn’t young, and the assault doesn’t help. Between now and the end of his contract, Olivera is due just a little under $30 million. It’s a dead amount of money.
Between now and the end of his contract, Matt Kemp is due just a little over $60 million, not counting the amount the Dodgers are covering. Matt Kemp is not worth that money. He does, at least, still play, and hit. The Padres are ditching Kemp, and adding Olivera, and just in isolation that would have the Padres shedding a hair over $30 million in future commitments. Fold in the money being exchanged and the Padres are saving something like, I don’t know, $19 million, which means the Braves are adding about $19 million. That’s $19 million for the privilege of playing Matt Kemp.
Kemp remains at least an average hitter. He hasn’t had a two-digit wRC+ since he was a rookie in 2006. He’s hit well of late, and at 31, he’s not young but he’s not super old. Though he doesn’t walk, he does hit for power, and you know how much fans love power hitters. Nothing more valuable than a dinger. You know what the next section is going to be about. Every Matt Kemp article feels the same.
He’s just not good at defense. He doesn’t run anymore, either, and that’s an issue. It’s also not a surprise. But Kemp is a defensive liability, so his overall value is reflected rather cruelly by his WAR. Since the start of last season, he’s been worth less than one combined win above replacement. Don’t love the UZR part of that number? If you use Defensive Runs Saved instead, Kemp doesn’t really look any better. Defensive numbers don’t like him, and while I understand that defensive numbers are far from perfect, they’re intuitively more reliable for outfielders than for infielders. And with outfielders, you can’t try to make up for lousy range with aggressive shifting. Not nearly so much.
When he isn’t hitting, Kemp is bad. Which means that, everything together, Kemp is not good. His recent statistical record isn’t good, and his projections, in turn, also aren’t good. Moving forward, he’s projected to be worth about 0.8 WAR per 600 plate appearances. That’s for the rest of this season. He’s presumably only declining. The Braves are a National League team, so for them, Kemp is an outfielder, what with Freddie Freeman very capably occupying first base. The Braves lineup has arguably needed this sort of offensive support, but not at the expense of more hits falling in.
To be absolutely clear: The Braves aren’t screwing themselves or anything. They’re taking on only about $19 million, and if Kemp were a free agent, he’d sign somewhere for something. But think about some other bat-only free agents. Pedro Alvarez got less than $6 million. Chris Carter got $2.5 million. Neither of those players is an outfielder, but if we’re going to be honest, neither is Matt Kemp. And, oh, Marlon Byrd signed a minor-league contract. I know that Byrd is suspended, but he wasn’t suspended back then. He was a powerful offensive corner outfielder.
I bet the Braves are relieved to be rid of the Olivera headache. As they probably should be. Of course, if they just wanted to be rid of the Olivera headache, they could’ve just dropped him and eaten the money. They didn’t have to make a commitment to Matt Kemp or to anyone else. This move makes a statement that the Braves have no place for a guy like Olivera, but designating him for assignment wouldn’t have been any different, and so this feels needless. In the big picture, it’ll prove relatively minor, but this’ll be an unnecessary expense. It’s not a coincidence multiple teams now have paid to send Matt Kemp away.
There’s nothing real exciting for the Padres. There’s an extra roster opening, and there’s some saved money. This doesn’t directly turn into a prospect to look forward to. If you’re a Padres fan, you might find it a little weird trying to celebrate financial savings for a massive, highly-profitable organization. I’d just assume that, in time, this money will find its way into the system. Maybe it’ll get an international prospect, maybe it’ll get a draft pick, or maybe it’ll get a free agent. If the savings just go into someone’s pocket, that sucks. You have to hope they won’t. A.J. Preller’s going to want that flexibility down the road.
Preller just got himself some future flexibility. The Braves just reduced their own. They’d argue it’s worth it — they’d argue that Matt Kemp is worth it, because, probably, they don’t think his defense is as bad as the numbers say. That’s all the explanation could be. Maybe the Braves are right. I’m not going to pretend there’s no way the Braves aren’t winning this. But just as the Braves didn’t need Hector Olivera, I don’t think the Braves need Matt Kemp. I don’t think he’ll do much of anything for them, and I think most of baseball would agree. It wouldn’t shock me if, a year from now, Matt Kemp were collecting money from three teams he doesn’t play for.
Update: I misinterpreted what was going on earlier — the Padres aren’t sending the Braves additional money. They’re basically just sending the Braves the money the Dodgers have been sending them. So instead of the Braves taking on around $19 million, they’re actually taking on around $30 million. Therefore, the Braves see Kemp as something like a $30-million player. Specifically, it’s $32 million. Pretty much everything in the post still applies; this just makes me like the deal even more for San Diego, and even less for Atlanta. OK.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
I don’t know if this is accurate but Nightengale said Braves are going to be paying Kemp another 54 million after this year. If Olivera has only about 29 million left, the padres save 25ish million while Braves could have just designated Olivera for assignment? Very odd
There’s also a difference in remaining salary due in 2016 but the Padres are supposedly chipping in $10 – 12 million.
Espn has a graphic claiming that minus Dodger money there’s just under $55 million left to the Padres in obligations on Kemp’s contract. If that’s correct then the amount the Braves are eating is more like $5 million, which is right in that Alvarez range.
That’s not accurate, Kemp is owed 21.5 million each of next 3 years, and probably has about 8.5-10 million left on this years salary
That part is clear, either Espn is wrong, which is entirely possible if not probable, or the Dodgers money was structured such that some of it is still to come. The number is in their write-up of the trade, towards the bottom in a factoid box. I’m not trying to play gotcha, or a Braves fan, just asking the question. If Espn is right then the move makes a bit more sense, at least.
Kemp is owed 64.5M. Dodgers pay 10.5M of it; I don’t think Padres are adding any.
Espn was just plain wrong, clearly. As, it seems, are the Braves.
Uh wow
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Finances in the deal:
Padres pay ~30M owed to Olivera, who will be DFAed
Braves pay ~62M owed to Kemp, with Dodgers on the hook for 10.5M
oh no
LIke many, I didn’t see the Braves rationale for this deal. However, looking at it a little closer, any financial assessment needs to take into account that the Dodgers are paying both the Padres $3.5M per year for Kemp’s deal and the Braves $4.67M for Olivera’s deal. My assumption is that the Braves and Padres keep getting that money from the Dodgers and the money being paid doesn;t go with the player. The remaining contracts for both, not counting this year and not including the Dodgers’ money is 3/$65.25M for Kemp and 4/$47.21M for Olivera so the tally is:
Braves
+$65.25M for Kemp
-$18.68M for the money being paid by the Dodgers for the Olivera trade (4 x$4.67M)
-$10.5M from the Padres (I’ve seen this as $10-12M and $10.5M. I’ll use $10.5M)
=$36.07M but they are out from under it in 3 years vs. the 4 for Olivera
Padres
+$47.21M for Olivera
+$10.5M to the Braves
-$10.5M from the Dodgers ($3.5M x 3)
=$47.21M
So the Braves take on an extra $8M approximately and the Padres save $8M, however the Padres are supposedly going to waive Olivera so the Braves get an actual ballplayer (such as Kemp can be considered a ballplayer) and the Padres just get a salary commitment.
If I understand correctly, 28M of Olivera’s salary was in the form of a signing bonus. I’m not sure bbref’s figures are correct.
Of course it would be the Braves and Padres with the classic lose-lose trade.
“probably, [the Braves] don’t think [Kemp’s] defense is as bad as the numbers say. That’s all the explanation could be.”
Couldn’t it also be just that they’re running out the worst hitting in the league night after night, started out the season on pace to set all kinds of records for run-scoring futility, and figure now’s the time to trade some defense for a bat in the name of not absolutely embarrassing themselves? The old “product on the field” rationale here seems worth considering.
Kemp could very well be a below average bat very soon
The Braves are running a team wRC+ in the mid-70s. He’d basically have to lose an arm not to be a major upgrade.
He’s not below average on the Braves roster.
Olivera being added back to the 40-man roster was going to be prickly, as he was very unpopular with the fans, both for who was given up to get him and for the domestic violence suspension. This lets the Braves skirt the PR issue of taking a stand against an alleged domestic abuser while Bobby Cox and Andruw Jones are still with the team.
I’m not sure what I think of the deal overall yet, but it seems the Braves, as Jeff said, could have just released Olivera. Kemp, while fading, is still a name. This seems more like a deal done to repair some damaged PR with the fans. The front office can talk up Kemp’s power and reputation as something lacking on the team, and gives them an out from having received nothing for Olivera if he were DFA.
Just speculating, but perhaps the Braves see Kemp as being worth some offense, some player(s) in the future, or a combination of both.
The Braves and Olivera can now go their Separate Ways (Worlds Apart).
With his domestic violence suspension I got the sense that they would never be Lovin’, Touchin’, Squeezin’ anyway.
He was definitely not good to his partner – he believed in the motto “Be Good to Yourself”. But with that suspension and how his market value plummeted to being virtually non-existent, I wonder Who’s Crying Now.
Exactly what I’m thinking. There has to be a big PR/marketing factor in this calculus.
As a Padres fan I am ecstatic about this move. That $21.M can be used in the international market for a couple of top flight prospects. Brilliant move!
They can’t go crazy in the international market for a few years because of their spending this year, but the money could definitely be allocated elsewhere.
True, but the current signing period runs until June 15 of next year so the Padres can keep spending until then if they’re willing to keep paying the 100% tax on bonus overage. MLB.com’s top 30 international free agents still lists 3 of the players on it as unsigned – http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=int
Clonel Perez and Norge Ruiz are also very significant prospects but not on list I believe cause they haven’t been cleared yet
Ah didn’t know that. Thanks for the insight!
Getting Kemp out of Petco field helps him, and getting a platoon option to lefty heavy outfield helps the Braves. Facing lefties has seemed like an automatic L for the Braves this season. Cautiously optimistic as a Braves fan.
Petco has been a nuetral park since start of 2015 season
Turner Field is just as bad a hitter’s park as Petco.
It would be more apt if the word ‘assets’ was just left out of the title.
Just leave out the ‘t’ in ‘assets’.
Naw, he’s not with Rihanna any more.
Or put in quotes
Honestly, I …kinda like this move. I’m curious where they slot him in the lineup, everyone loves playing Armchair GM and Freeman needs some protection, even if it isn’t godly ’08-’11 Kemp, I wonder if they pursue Reddick in the offseason? Even Kenley if the dodgers don’t extend him (I think he’s a FA this year, no?) Could be interesting to see how this plays out.
Simmons gone, Kemp in. Defensive Runs Braved.
Coppollela has said that he thinks defense is overrated by WAR/UZR models. So he probably thinks Kemp is undervalued by the market at this point.
This is terrific news for Nationals fans I imagine
His disbelief n defense was a large part in his undervaluing of Andrelton and overvaluing of Aybar, as well.
And undervaluing of Heyward…
Maybe that’s why he traded Simmons for a future lefty reliever?
The benefit for the Padres is mostly financial, but includes clearing a spot for their future right fielder Renfroe, just as moving Upton made room for Dickerson, and letting Jay go will open up CF for Margot. That will be a promising, cost controlled outfield, ready next year.
The benefit for the Braves is more than adding a right handed hitter and power, he may no longer be a star, but Kemp is still a “name”, and that helps when opening a new ballpark next year.
Getting Kemp may also signal the shedding of players/payroll for prospects is complete, and the team will be adding talent and payroll. That’s a lot of money to signal a change in philosophy, but they may believe Kemp will be attractive to an AL club as DH after a year or so.
The Braves still have no prospects who have the ceilings of true stars. The closest is Albies, but he sounds like an Alcides Escobar or Didi Gregorius at best. The Braves have tons of decent pitching prospects/young MLB pitchers, but the highest ceiling of all of them is probably Foltynewicz at a good #3 starter. I don’t see the Braves becoming a real contender anytime soon.
One report says that the Padres get net savings of about $32 million, not $19 million – http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/30/padres-braves-nearing-kemp-olivera-trade/
Really strange if the Braves are taking on $32 million to get Matt Kemp for 3+ years.
“Well, Nick Markakis can’t play forever, we need to replace that questionable signing of a veteran for too long and too much with another such deal.”
The Padres get rid of a big chunk of Kemp money.
We get rid of Olivera’s bat, glove, health, and personality.
I don’t love it, but I’m okay with it.
But you could accomplish that by just dfa’ing Olivera
Kemp is a complete sunk cost. He doesn’t have on field value. Braves could have accomplished Olivera part with simply DFA’ing him, it’s not hard
Yeah, I’d have preferred the DFA route. Instead they wanted to bring him in a former name to placate pissed off fans, or whatever it is we’re doing (I honestly no longer know half the time).
Still don’t love it. Still prefer it to having Olivera around. With this front office, we gotta take what we can get.
Amusing that it’s been 16 months since the most overpaid outfielder in the game was traded between these same two clubs. And now, it’s happened again.
Of course, Upton went on to put up 3 WAR for the Padres for the total cost (total salary at time of trade $46.35M – minus Quentin/Maybin salary $24M- minus $5M now owed by Blue Jays) of $17.35M and for the right to pay him below-market rate for his production, the Padres turned Matt Wisler and a comp balance pick into Kimbrel and then the return he generated.
Sometimes the most toxic of assets winds up being pretty solid.
100 rbi last year.
On pace for 36 hr 100+ rbi this year.there has to be some value there.
meh. new stadium, need to have somebody with a “name” for the first year to go alongside Freeman. braves will ship him out after a year to an AL team in need of a cheap DH, because that contract keeps getting cheaper and cheaper for the end-user the more times he’s passed around.
He’ll be untradable
Kemp is a warm body with a stick.
There might be an AL team in need of a DH willing to give him ABs, if not now in the off season. Atlanta could eat some/most of his money and turn him into a minor league lottery ticket or two.
Or maybe Atlanta expects the DH to come to the NL with the next collective agreement. 😉
“Kemp is a warm body with a stick.”
Me too, but my wife just mumbles something about a headache and goes back to bed…
I get the need to add a name for the new stadium, but they’re taking on more money than they could reasonably expect from an increase in gate receipts, and that’s assuming that Matt Kemp will increase gate receipts at all. Would Kemp really get ~$30 million over three years on the open market? I don’t get this move.
According to MLBTradeRumors, the Braves take on 64.5M from 2017-2019, minus 10.5M from the Dodgers, minus 28.5M for Olivera. The total they take on for the next 3 years is 25.5M, meaning they pay Kemp 8.5M per year.
Just to clarify, they are taking Kemp on for roughly $8.5M *more* annually than they were already paying Olivera. I’ve seen A LOT of Braves fans with the idea that team is only paying Kemp $8.5M a year for the next three years (not that you did that here, just that it was an opportunity to clarify).
Plus, there’s about a $6.5M dollar difference in salaries this year bw Olivera and Kemp. So 8.5*3 + 6.5 = $32M … for Matt Kemp.
Since the majority of the article and comments focus on the business aspect, I did want to make one baseball point. Kemp is a pretty bad, very overpaid all-around player these days, no doubt. He does do one thing well – mash lefties (current 2016 173 wRC+, career 153).
It would be a pretty unique platoon given the different types of ballplayers they are, but if the Braves went with a Kemp/Mallex platoon in LF next year, while using Mallex as a regular defensive/baserunning replacement in Kemp’s starts, it could be sort of interesting. Tiny sample size of course, but Mallex has a career wRC+ split of 126 vs. RHP and -17 vs. LHP. Of course, this would require the Braves hire a manager who can handle deploying separate lineups vs. RHPs or LHPs, which I’m not all that optimistic about. And it also may not be the smartest idea because it would likely preclude a young, promising Mallex from developing any ability to hit LHP.
Kemp would still be way overpaid as a ~$15mm a year platoon player, but at least he’d be more effective. Mallex’s minimum salary helps offset it, too; you’re basically paying around $15mm for your LF position and hoping it nets out to +3.0 WAR or so (and that’s without factoring in the Olivera sunk cost, so you’re taking on something like $8mm more per year and, I think, improving that lineup spot a good bit). Braves LFs this year have a wRC+ of 75 overall, and have been worth -0.5 WAR.
We likely could’ve gone out and gotten a LF to platoon against LHP for something less than $8mm a year for 3 years. But, nevertheless, if handled properly, I think this at least improves next year’s team marginally.
The Braves appear to be banking on something not mentioned in article or comments: an uptick in work ethic, which could not only stave off decline but actually increase performance. Matt Kemp fell in love with the Braves when he was a kid. He wrote an open letter to Braves fans, and it includes a picture of him getting a Braves jacket for Christmas when he was 10. I think they could’ve gotten him for cheaper, all that said. But this is part of the picture.
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/matt-kemp-braves-padres-trade/