Padres Land a Bargain in Kinsler

The Padres have been connected to big names like J.T. Realmuto, Noah Syndergaard, Nathan Eovaldi and even Bryce Harper, all of which suggests that after three straight seasons of 90-some losses and eight straight with records below .500, they’re ready to get out of the business of losing. So far, no dice on the marquee additions, and last winter’s big Eric Hosmer contract isn’t sitting so well, but on Friday, they did score something of a bargain, signing second baseman Ian Kinsler to two-year deal worth $8 million, with a club option of unspecified value also included, according to The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal. The implication is that Kinsler’s days as an everyday player are numbered, and that he’s ready instead for that sage veteran mentor/utility role, à la Chase Utley with the Dodgers.

(Or maybe he just wants to knock back some quality craft beers and fish tacos. San Diego is great for that, but perhaps I’m just projecting.)

The 36-year-old Kinsler was last seen making a mess of things in the World Series, going 1-for-10 for the Red Sox and most notably committing base running and fielding gaffes in the epic, 18-inning Game 3. As pinch-runner for J.D. Martinez, he was thrown out at home plate on the back end of an inning-ending double play in the 10th, and then, after the Red Sox had taken the lead in the top of the 13th, he threw away a Yasiel Puig grounder that allowed the tying run to score. Not great. The Red Sox lost that game, and while they won the Series, Kinsler didn’t make another appearance.

Aside from winning that elusive championship ring, it really wasn’t a season to write home about for Kinsler. After being traded from the Tigers to the Angels last December 13 (for minor leaguers Wilkel Hernandez and Troy Montgomery), he scuffled, and once the Angels fell out of contention, he was dealt again on July 30, this time to Boston, in exchange for relievers Ty Buttrey and Williams Jerez. He had started the year so slowly that in June I explored whether he was cooked, though his bat perked up long enough for him to be of interest to a Dustin Pedroia-less Boston team that featured Eduardo Nunez and Brock Holt scraping by with replacement-level production. It must have been contagious, because Kinsler went from hitting .239/.304/.406 (97 wRC+) with 2.2 WAR in 391 PA with the Halos to .242/.294/.311 (62 wRC+) with 0.0 WAR in 143 PA with the Sox. The saving grace of his season was his defense; he was 9.4 runs above average according to UZR, 10 above average via DRS, and over the past two years, he’s been +17.5 and +16 by those two metrics while batting just .238/.308/.397 for a 90 wRC+ but 4.9 WAR. That’s still an above-average player, if not a terribly sexy one.

The bat is worrisome, though. According to Baseball Savant, Kinsler’s 85.3 mph average exit velocity ranked in the bottom 8% of the league, and his xwOBACON (expected wOBA on contact) plummeted from .350 in 2017 to .303 in 2018. As I noted in June, his downturn owes largely to two major problems: first, he’s struggled against four-seam fastballs, particularly ones 95 mph or higher; and second, he’s stopped hitting lefties. Despite a career 135 wRC+ against heaters as a group, he’s been at 88 and 94 over the past two seasons, and as for the high-velo stuff, here’s an updated version of a table I made for the previous article:

Ian Kinsler vs. 95+ MPH Four-Seam Fastballs
Year wOBA lg wOBA wOBA dif xWOBA lg xwOBA xwOBA dif
2015 .305 .309 -.004 .315 .311 .004
2016 .337 .315 .022 .353 .316 .037
2017 .223 .312 -.089 .298 .318 -.020
2018 .271 .306 -.035 .312 .308 .004
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

The trend isn’t uniform, but it isn’t good. Neither is hitting .191/.236/.250 for a 33 wRC+ in 144 PA against lefties, especially when you’re a righty. That aspect of his performance may well have been a fluke, the flip side of his .278/.357/.539 (135 wRC+) line against southpaws in 129 PA in 2017. For his career, he has a fairly typical split (127 wRC+ against RHP, 101 against LHP), but over the two-year period, his 81 wRC+ against lefties is in the 24th percentile among righty swingers, which is worrisome.

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Here’s the thing, though: the Padres got less than nothing out of their second basemen in 2018. Jose Pirela, Carlos Asuaje, Cory Spangenberg and three other guys combined for a 78 wRC+ and -0.1 WAR at the spot. Spangenberg was released in November, and Asuaje was just claimed off waivers by the Rangers, so they’re out of the picture. Luis Urias, who hit .208/.264/.354 in 53 PA for the Pad squad, is the future, a 55 FV prospect who is currently number three on the Padres list (behind shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr and lefty MacKenzie Gore) and number 21 overall. He’s just 21 years old, though, and while MLB.com’s A.J. Cassavell recently reported that he’s expected to open the season at the keystone, it would surprise nobody if he were to start the year back in Triple-A. Since Tatis is just 19 and hasn’t played above Double-A (and has just 102 games there overall), there’s talk that Urias could even start the year at shortstop, a position he’s continued to spot-start at as he’s moved up the ladder.

All of which is to say that Kinsler, a 13-year veteran with 47.7 WAR, four All-Star appearances, and a pair of Gold Gloves to his name, could be Urias’ double play partner, or his placeholder, or his backup/mentor, depending upon how things unfold. He might even get a chance to play third base in a utility role, if and when both Tatis and Urias are in the bigs. Maybe he’ll become such a natural in this capacity that the Padres will view him as a surrogate dad, as some of the Dodgers did with Utley. The Padres’ padre? Why not?

Considering that Kinsler was projected to produce 1.8 WAR in 490 PA — though now, it would be a surprise if he got that much playing time — and that in our free agent preview the estimates for his salary ran for $6-8 million for a single season, two years and $8 million seems quite reasonable for San Diego. His presence probably won’t change the course of the Padres’ 2019 season, but if he helps Urias adapt to the majors and fulfill his potential, it’s a small price to pay.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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mattMember since 2023
7 years ago

Urias is a lock to be on big league roster as season starts but he could start at SS, good article

oconnk11
7 years ago

xwO-BACON is my favorite breakfast analytic.

rhswanzey
7 years ago
Reply to  oconnk11

We oughta develop a TOAST metric.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

Times On Against STrikeouts. A perverse and probably useless OBP analog

Shirtless Bartolo Colon
7 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

Let us put that all together and make a BLT.

Fredchuckdave
7 years ago

Surprisingly cheap, Kinsler has never been bad or anything approaching bad; wonder what the crowdsourcing result was for him. Kinsler is much better than e.g. Eric Hosmer

Original Greaser Bob
7 years ago
Reply to  Fredchuckdave

Plus he should be tight with “Barrels” Hosmer.

NATS FanMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  Fredchuckdave

Yes he does not seem like the Padres type.

RealCarlAllen
7 years ago

Given the fact that he’s still a plus-plus defender (you learn something new everyday) even if aging, that’s a hell of a bargain for a guy who could bat .200 and scrape together 1 WAR

dodgerbleu
7 years ago

I agree, nice pickup!

There was one minor part that was a little confusing for me, had me double check his player page even – a small jaffe, if you will!! 😉 In this paragraph – Kinsler went from being a RHB to a LHB by the end – though I enjoyed the journey!!

The trend isn’t uniform, but it isn’t good. Neither is hitting .191/.236/.250 for a 33 wRC+ in 144 PA against lefties, especially when you’re a **righty**. That aspect of his performance may well have been a fluke, the flip side of his .278/.357/.539 (135 wRC+) line against southpaws in 129 PA in 2017. For his career, he has a fairly typical split (127 wRC+ against RHP, 101 against LHP), but over the two-year period, his 81 wRC+ against righties is in the 24th percentile among **lefty** swingers, which is worrisome.

aweb
7 years ago
Reply to  Jay Jaffe

The text still has him hitting way better against RH pitching, which wouldn’t be typical for a righty, and is also wrong.

Kevbot034
7 years ago

I am most interested how it impacts the pair of Urias/Tatis this year. His presence lets the kids wait in AAA easily enough til the deadline for control passes. Just not sure if, like the article says, that impacts Urias really at all in the end. Pads have so many fun players to watch out for!

rhswanzey
7 years ago

Kinsler did seem to be overmatched at the plate with Boston, but as noted, he’s still managed to be a defensive asset and likely offers nonzero clubhouse value, which you’d like to assign more than no weight to with a bunch of young talent knocking on the door.

I think Kinsler getting a second guaranteed year is evidence for “different market than winter 2017”.

CousinNicky
7 years ago

I always forget about Kinsler though he is the 3rd best 2nd basemen of the past 15 years behind only Utley and Cano. Its kinda remarkable that none of these guys might make the HoF, then again based on recent events anything is possible.

TommyMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

I’d be surprised if cano and utley don’t make the hall

manormachine
7 years ago

Four all star appearances and a World Series ring? Sounds like a Hall of Famer to me! Just put his old managers on the committee!

MonkeyEpoxy
7 years ago
Reply to  manormachine

I understand you’re just making fun of the Baines induction, but Kinsler does deserve a long long look. He’s gonna retire at or around 50 WAR

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  MonkeyEpoxy

Unless he goes Full Franco

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

So I agree with the prevailing sentiment that this was a good price for a guy who looks like he can provide defense. And this means that they can take their time with Urias, not that he has much more to learn in the minors, and yes, they can slide Urias over to short until Tatis is ready.

But this is something I’m curious about: At what point does Kinsler’s bat (or really, anyone’s bat) become unplayable? Except at catcher, where you can’t find anyone, if someone gives you good defense but sub-.300 OBP and minimal power, is that playable? Is there a point where someone’s offense becomes so bad, it doesn’t matter if you’re Ozzie Smith in his prime?

dl80Member since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Rey Ordonez? Peter Bourjos?

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Wilmer Difo might be the starting 2B on a legit World Series contender…

NATS FanMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Hopefully that will change.

francis_soyer
7 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Plenty of 2Bs out there this offseason

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Just for fun, I put together Kinsler’s personal Mendoza Line, which would be the batting average he would need to hit to be replacement level. Using the 2019 Steamer forecast, Kinsler is expected to produce 1.7 WAR over 534 PA (479 AB) while hitting .245. If Kinsler is providing 0.091 wins/single (based on the linear weight for a single and a prorated portion of his expected BsR), his batting average would have to fall to .209 for him to be at replacement level.

For comparison, the Personal Mendoza Lines for the other two major-league Ians are:

Happ: .199
Desmond: .260

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

This is a great way to answer this question. Thanks!

Johnston
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yes, excellent methodology. It should be applied elsewhere,

francis_soyer
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

He’s gonna be right about there …

scaiMember since 2021
7 years ago

Nice one Mr. Cameron 🙂

UpNort
7 years ago

Even if you heavily regress him based upon standard aging curves, this is still a win for the Pads, and good for them!

WoundedSprinterMember since 2018
7 years ago

Kinsler offers other skills (clubhouse, etc), but just on the numbers, he’s a bargain at 2/$8 million. But he’s an unusual bargain … 2.4 WAR last year, almost entirely earned in the field. (He was a butcher for Boston.)
For what it’s worth, I see this as one of the more sensible signings in recent Padres history. It’s difficult to see Kinsler delivering less than 1 WAR over two years, and although I’m unfamiliar with the SD prospect/depth list, I don’t see how he blocks anybody.
(Good to see a veteran getting a decent contract, btw.)

francis_soyer
7 years ago

If Banksy over at first doesn’t do his odd year thing, it’s gonna be a struggle to hit 75 wins

Polka4
7 years ago

another excellent article, thank you.