Padres Snag Adam Frazier as They Make an NL West Push

Slowly falling behind in the divisional race, the Padres shook up their roster on Sunday, acquiring second baseman Adam Frazier from the Pirates. Frazier, under team control until the end of the 2022 season, is having easily the best season of his career, hitting .324/.388/.448 for a 130 wRC+ and 2.9 WAR. Except for the slugging percentage, all of these numbers are career-bests for the 29-year-old; that WAR figure was a new personal high before the All-Star Game was even played. Heading to Pittsburgh are three players: infielder Tucupita Marcano, outfielder Jack Suwinski, and right-handed reliever Michell Miliano.

Despite the fact that they’re 5 1/2 games out and behind two teams in the NL West as of Monday morning, it would be a gross exaggeration to call the 2021 season a disappointing one for the Padres. After all, they’re on pace for 92 wins, with the fifth-best run differential in the majors. The problem is that half of the teams with better run differentials also play in the NL West. That gauntlet essentially puts the Padres, Giants, and Dodgers into an “extra” grueling round of playoffs, with two of the three teams likely to be pushed into a single-elimination game after the regular season.

As of now, the Padres are a clear underdog, with a projected divisional probability that has faded from the 43.5% in the preseason, when it was expected to be a two-team race, to 11.2% before taking into account this trade. They aren’t in even remote danger of missing the playoffs — for now — but they certainly have an obvious preference for getting a free pass to the best-of-five Divisional Series, which basically doubles their chances of collecting the franchise’s first-ever World Series championship.

2021 ZiPS Projected Standings – NL West
Team W L GB Pct Div% WC% Playoff% WS Win% #1 Pick
Los Angeles Dodgers 96 66 .593 57.9% 41.0% 99.0% 12.1% 0.0%
San Francisco Giants 94 68 2 .580 25.2% 69.4% 94.6% 7.8% 0.0%
San Diego Padres 93 69 3 .574 16.9% 75.0% 91.9% 6.5% 0.0%
Colorado Rockies 69 93 27 .426 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.1%
Arizona Diamondbacks 56 106 40 .346 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 61.5%

With Frazier on board, the Padres’ divisional probability bumps to 16.9%. This is projected to be a photo finish, so each win is quite important! But what will that role be?

For an acquisition of an All-Star second baseman, this move has surprisingly little to do with San Diego’s situation at second base. Ha-Seong Kim may have had a rocky start in the U.S., but Jake Cronenworth certainly hasn’t, and the former Ray has firmly seized control of the starting job, hitting .278/.352/.456, good for 3.2 WAR, and making the All-Star game himself. Like the Dodgers and Rays (among others), the Padres have developed a real liking in recent for extremely versatile players, allowing them to fill holes more easily that may be caused by circumstances. After the trade deadline, that gets a lot harder to do.

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In this case, the acquisition of Frazier, who has played second, third, and all three outfield positions in the majors, allows the Padres to address their biggest holes in the lineup. (He’s also played shortstop, but it’s unlikely he’d be the theoretical Fernando Tatis Jr. replacement in the case of injury.) At this point, Eric Hosmer and Wil Myers are the weakest links in the lineup, and adding Frazier allows the Padres to reduce their playing time against matchups they don’t like and keep the struggling Jurickson Profar from being Plan B anywhere. Frazier will likely take at-bats from Myers in right field and indirectly from Hosmer at first, with Cronenworth taking even more of a share of the time there. As lousy as he’s been in San Diego, replacing Hosmer is a tough move given that he’s a highly-paid, well-liked veteran; the Padres may have instead coasted along with him if they had a five-game lead rather than faced a five-game deficit.

It’s probably a minor factor, but picking up Frazier also deprives either the Dodgers or Giants from getting to do so. With Corey Seager still out with a broken hand and Gavin Lux’s hamstring likely keeping him out past the trade deadline, the Dodgers are thinner than usual in the infield, and despite what it seems at times, they can’t just clone Chris Taylor and have him play two or three positions at once. Similarly, Donovan Solano is one of the weaker parts of San Francisco’s lineup, and both Brandon Crawford and Tommy La Stella are rehabbing injuries.

Now, you could say, “Dan, if the Padres wanted to upgrade at first base, they could have directly upgraded with someone like Joey Gallo!” This is true, but Gallo also would demand a larger return in prospects — I can’t imagine the Rangers accepting this package — and bringing him in would require the Padres to bench Hosmer or Myers and commit to keep doing it in 2022, short of the designated hitter rule coming to the NL for good.

Now, is Frazier actually a .324/.388/.448 hitter? Probably not. He’s had a real up-and-down career, and even in a great year, there’s a case from his peripherals that he’s in a bit over his head; ZiPS sees his BABIP for 2021 at about .315 for this season, around his career numbers. Frazier’s offense is very batting average-dependent, as he doesn’t have much power, meaning his peaks and valleys are going to be batted ball-driven, something far more volatile than power. It doesn’t close the gap entirely, but BABIP overperformance and underperformance explain a great deal of the gap between his terrific 2021 (.359 BABIP) and his lousy 2020 (.246).

Pirates fans are likely a little disappointed by the return for Frazier, as it’s not aligned with what you expect to get in return for a five-win player. But that’s not really his baseline, which I’m positive that neither San Diego nor the rest of the league (or at least the teams that are buyers this month) believed. Perhaps there was a huge Frazier offer out there ready to materialize, but with all sorts of infielder options possibly out there — like Trevor Story, Javier Báez, Eduardo Escobar, Andrelton Simmons, and possibly even Jorge Polanco — I think not.

The best-known prospect acquired in the trade is Marcano, from Tucupita, Venezuela, and the son of former indie league outfielder Raul “Tucupita” Marcano, who came in at No. 11 on our Padres list this spring. I was surprised this spring to see him up so quickly, given his most recent minor league performance was in the Midwest League. But the Padres liked his plate discipline, ability to make contact, and defense, and he hit .400 in the Cactus League. So does my colleague Eric Longenhagen, also of this esteemed site:

Traditionally, light-hitting middle infielders like Marcano have been undervalued in the public prospect sphere, then we (read: I) overcorrected a tad. Prospects like Marcano force one to ask, “What are indicators that this player with superlative contact skill will eventually hit for power and become relevant?” And I seek to answer this by evaluating the athleticism and body projection of the prospect in question. In the case of Vidal Brujan and Bryan Rocchio, there’s a level of athleticism and underlying physicality that I think will lead to more power.

In the case of Marcano (and Jose Devers with Miami), I’m more skeptical of the long term power projection. Marcano is rail thin, and slight of build, he’s not someone who I anticipate adding impacting strength even though he’s still very young. He’s a viable middle infielder and there’s a chance he just ends up with elite feel for contact and, even without power, and generates production commensurate with an average regular. But I think it’s more likely he ends up playing a utility role. I have a 40 FV on Marcano and think his ceiling is probably a 45.

ZiPS was skeptical of Marcano in the short-term entering the season, pegging him at .251/.293/.308 and a 65 wRC+, about a run under replacement level, with comps like Ozzie Guillen, Jeff Huson, and Tom Foley (the Expo, not the congressman). But ZiPS also saw him as a larger contributor in a few years, eventually having him peak around .270/.330/.330 as someone who has real value if his defense holds up at short. A solid performance for Triple-A El Paso at .272/.367/.444 bumps that up a little more, with ZiPS now having him peaking as about a two-win player.

Suwinski’s season fascinates me, and he’s someone who also caught Eric’s eye.

On-paper performance is especially important for a hitter like Suwinski because he’s a positionless defender who needs to rake to have any sort of big league role. Entering 2021, he’d only ever done enough to merit Honorable Mention inclusion on the Padres lists, and I’d often get little support from scouts when I mentioned him on the phone during sourcing calls. He’s had his best statistical season to date, slashing .269/.398/.551, and (while there’s a 2020 gap) his batted ball profile has shifted more toward pull and lift over the course of his career. I’ve added him to the 35+ FV tier of the Pirates list because something relevant about his swing and approach may have changed. Ultimately, because he lacks a true position, Suwinski’s likely role is as a platooning role player, and his chances of playing a significant role increase with the likely implementation of the universal DH.

Coming into the season, Suwinski wasn’t even close to being on the prospect radar, with a .195/.266/.337 line and -2.2 WAR projection, the latter thanks to ZiPS seeing him as a -9 defender in left field. But after a shockingly good stint for Double-A San Antonio, with a .269/.398/.551 line that ZiPS translates to .243/.356/.458, he suddenly becomes very interesting. Despite confusing the heck out of the computer, he now projects as a league-average DH at his peak, which makes him far more appealing than he was in 2019.

The last player in the trade is Miliano. Here’s Eric:

Michel Miliano has been the same guy since he was 17. He sits in the low-90s, has tantalizing physical projection and feel for spinning a curveball, but he struggles to repeat his release point and his command is bad as a result.

ZiPS agrees, seeing him right now as a reliever with an ERA around seven. Striking out 59 batters in 30 innings, as he’s done this year at two stops, makes you look, but 25 walks would make you second-guess that decision. That’s not hopeless — a lot of competent pitchers, such as Dellin Betances, had some real horror walk rates before they got it together — but he’s more of an interesting flyer at this point than someone the Pirates are likely to have in their plans.

Does Frazier vault the Padres to an NL West win? The competition is so fierce that even Mike Trout or Shohei Ohtani can’t make that happen. But they are a better team than they were yesterday, without giving up any of their key prospects, and have an additional option for 2022, so there’s nothing to complain about here.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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markmark
4 years ago

I think Frazier has made a pretty noticeable change to his approach this season. It feels like in past years he sold out a bit more for power than he should have. He always FELT like someone who should be consistently able to run high BABIP’s and hit over .300 but he never really did that.

He’s not going to hit .330 for the next few years, but I think his approach is more tailored now for a .300 hitter that works his way to above-average offensive production through singles and doubles.

szielinskiMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  markmark

It’s a mistake to claim his past production settles his current value. It does not. Right now Frazier is a 5 Win player. That’s the player for whom who the Padres traded pennies, nickles and dimes. The Pirates overpaid for these prospects. This transaction feels like a hidden salary dump because the Pirates seemed unwilling to exit the market when they failed to obtain equal value. This was a bad trade.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  szielinski

You correctly say that “It’s a mistake to claim his past production settles his current value” and then turn around and say that “Right now Frazier is a 5 Win player” purely on past production! No, YOU THINK he is a 5 Win player based on a particular subsample of his past production.

He may be, but you have nothing but past production to base that claim on.

MLB teams are not going to give up top prospects for a guy who’s had 9.2 WAR over six years based on some delusion that the fact that the last 2.9 of that WAR happened in the last 98 games means that’s his rate going forward. The other 510 games still happened, and still produced only an unspectacular 6.3 WAR.

szielinskiMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug Lampert

You are right in your criticism. It is a self-refuting argument.

Then Cherrington should not have traded Frazier to the Padres if they did not want to pay for the 2021 version of Frazier, the version that accurately reflects his current productivity. All signs point to this being a salary dump trade. And it doesn’t matter a jot what other teams are willing to trade for Frazier since the Pirates are not required to trade him. If the Padres did not want to trade top prospects for Frazier, like Gore, a prospect with declining value, then the Pirates keep Frazier– or tade either to the Dodgers or Giants.

LHPSU
4 years ago
Reply to  szielinski

So if no one wants to pay for the 2021 version of Frazier, the Pirates just sit with their thumb up their ass until Frazier’s contract runs out?

szielinskiMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

No, they should exit a market that does not favor them, a strategically wise choice.

fangraphsreaderbutwokeMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  szielinski

It’s a crap trade. Marcano is highly unlikely to become a MLB regular. The others even less likely.

carterMember since 2020
4 years ago

While I agree Pitt didn’t get much, Marcano is still 21 years old and has played a in the MLB when he would be young for high A. The verdict is far from out on him.

Bartolo Cologne
4 years ago
Reply to  szielinski

szielinski’s comment doesn’t even seem to be responding to the comment it’s replying to. A little confusing for me.

But really just dropping in to say that it doesn’t appear to be a salary dump. Reports are that Pittsburgh is picking up $1.4m of the $1.6m still owed him this year.

I think the real answer is BC just likes Marcano. And in his defense, the Padres really like him too. With a loaded team and prospect pool, they brought him to ST where he raked and have called him up to fill holes on the MLB roster more than once.

The Ancient Mariner
4 years ago

Rosenthal confirmed this. Seattle made an offer and didn’t ask for any money back, but the Pirates really wanted Marcano.

szielinskiMember since 2026
4 years ago

The salary dumped is the money the Pirates will pay him in 2022 once he passes through the arbitration process.

szielinskiMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  szielinski

Bob Biertempfel, a Pirates beat writer for the athletic, reported that the Pirates had 3 to 4 teams make offers for Frazier. He quoted Cherrington. This diminishes some the salary dump claim and moves the explanation more to the value the team attributed to Marcano. The Pirates under Cherrington’s leadership have proven themselves capable of finding talent. I wonder what the other offers were and by which teams?

Dmjn53
4 years ago
Reply to  szielinski

You’re insane if you think other teams are valuing Adam Frazier as a true-talent 5 win player

BenMember since 2016
4 years ago

Curious if this trade was tied in at all with the Pirates’ draft strategy – not addressing SS even though many have identified a shortage of ‘true’ SS prospects in the organization. Might help explain why they keyed in on Marcano even though the package overall is considered ‘light’

96mncMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

He’s not a SS either.

realitypolice
4 years ago

Dan Szymborski: “The competition is so fierce that even Mike Trout or Shohei Ohtani can’t make that happen.”
AJ Preller: “What do you mean ‘or’?”

CC AFCMember since 2016
4 years ago

Dave Cameron has not yet murdered Eric Hosmer in a crime of passion. I feel like Dave gets too little credit for this

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I imagine that being around Hosmer and seeing him play every day has made Dave realize just how important his intangibles are. In fact, I’ve heard rumors that Dave is hard at work on a new metric called Intangibles Above Replacement (IAR) and that Hosmer is the highest-rated player ever on that metric.

Bartolo Cologne
4 years ago

Reports are that Austin Hedges is hoping that IAR includes a factor for building rapport with pitching staff.

Bartolo Cologne
4 years ago

I’m happy with this trade for the Padres for two reasons:
1) I think that the prospects sent to the Pirates are a fair value (and frankly lower than I feared the price tag would be when I first saw the headline). Peak Marcano effectively projects as being what Frazier is right now (which is unnecessary depth while they have Cronenworth, Tatis, Kim, and Abrams around). Suwinski is long-term interesting but no sure thing, and Miliano is a total flier.
2) This is the strongest signal yet that they’re ready to move on from the doomed-from-the-start Hosmer signing. I actually saw a post on MLB.com today that they are trying to package prospects in a Hosmer salary dump trade (I’m breaking into a hot sweat just thinking what they’d have to give up to get rid of him).

Lastly, for Pirates fans, I bet this is a disappointing return, but from what I’ve seen of Marcano, I think you’ll like him. I’d take a conservative over on the projections and think he will be a decent starting middle infielder. Basically, I think you’ve traded peak Frazier for a future Frazier that is better aligned with your competitive window and a couple of interesting minor league pieces.

CC AFCMember since 2016
4 years ago

Feels a little stretchy to say he’s unnecessary depth based on Kim and Abrams given that Kim’s been balls awful and Abrams is a) out for the rest of this year and b) 20 years old with only 180 or so double AA plate appearances. Frazier appears to be very likely to be much better than those two over the remainder of his team control.

Bartolo Cologne
4 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I think the way I phrased that might have been confusing. I’m very happy for the depth Frazier provides now, but longer-term, the depth that Marcano would have provided will be unnecessary. Kim has had a rough start, but his defense has been stellar and his bat is showing signs of coming around. I think most people, if forced, would start Kim over Marcano now and would still pick Kim over Marcano long-term.

Abrams needs seasoning, sure, but so does Marcano, and the choice between either is easy. I wouldn’t be surprised if Abrams is ready for the majors by the time Frazier’s contract ends after 2022, and would bet that he will have established himself as a far better player by then than Marcano, as he is expected to.

szielinskiMember since 2026
4 years ago

We were told we’d like Bobby Hill….

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  szielinski

….that boy ain’t right

tbwhite67Member since 2020
4 years ago

Charlie Blackmon has a player option @ $21 million for 2022 and between $10 and $18 million for 2023(depending on performance). I assume he will exercise both of those options as I don’t imagine people will be lining up to give someone on the wrong side of 35 more money than that. So, he will get $35 million for 2 years(splitting the difference on the 2023 option). Hosmer is owed $59 million over the next 4 years. How much in the way of prospects would Preller have to attach to Hosmer to get the Rockies to bite on that $24 million marginal increase in salary(over 4 years)? If the Rockies get lucky Hosmer has a bounce back year in the thin air and then they flip him after 2022 when his salary drops to $13 million. Seems like the kind of deal the Rockies should make, which means they won’t.

realitypolice
4 years ago
Reply to  tbwhite67

Does someone have data on how the thin air impacts BABIP on grounders?

OkraMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  realitypolice

Yeah but the thin air can also cause headaches and sluggishness. Know what helps headaches and sluggishness? A great teammate of course! Just another opportunity for Hosmer’s intangibles to shine with his potential new teammates.

Dmjn53
4 years ago
Reply to  tbwhite67

I think/hope baseball has evolved to where teams wouldn’t buy one Coors-aided year of Eric Hosmer

tbwhite67Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

The problem is that the team most likely to buy one Coors-aided year of Eric Hosmer is in fact the Rockies.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

If I were a team that didn’t have any better use for spending money right now and an owner who wasn’t totally tight-fisted–the Rockies, Tigers, or the Royals, for example–I’d take Hosmer and one of Campusano / Gore. I assume Abrams and Hassell are off the table, and Gore might be too. But that would do it for me. You play him 400+ PAs a year and let him mash against right-handed pitching and he’s not a total zero. Both Campusano and Gore were former top prospects who aren’t quite hitting expectations; I think I’d see if the change of scenery would help.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think Hosmer and Campusano for Blackmon would make a lot of sense. Blackmon would be around next year when Pham leaves, and assuming a DH there shouldn’t be a problem finding AB’s for everyone. The Padres seem quite happy with Nola and Caratini, so Campusano is a bit of a luxury, and Brandon Valenzuela isn’t that far behind.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  tbwhite67

I’d take it even without ditching a big salary in return. Gore and Campusano are incredibly risky prospects, but they have high ceilings.

Now if ditching Blackmon’s salary is on the table and I’m getting one of Gore / Campusano I’d be willing to throw in more. Daniel Bard and CJ Cron at least, and maybe more. FV55 prospects should be worth about $40M in dead money, so if I’m only taking on $20M in dead money or whatever it is that would be a steal for the Rockies.

From the Padres perspective, taking Blackmon might be the cost of doing business but if I’m them and I have a choice, I’m just dumping Hosmer and worrying about the corner outfield later. They can probably re-sign Pham for a similar salary to what he is making this year, maybe a bit of a raise, and obviously more years. Conforto might not get a QO and will probably be looking for a prove-it deal. You can trade for a guy like Avisail Garcia or Robbie Grossman, probably, and they’re both better and cheaper than Blackmon. I don’t know what Mark Canha will command but he’s way better than Blackmon. If you dump Hosmer’s contract, all of these are on the table. They might even be on the table if you don’t dump Hosmer’s salary.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t know that I buy that Grossman/Canha/Garcia are appreciably better than Blackmon, certainly cheaper and younger though. I think you are right if you take Blackmon from the Rockies then you also get some more stuff, like Jon Gray and Givens or Bard. One stop shopping for all of your World Series needs. There is value in that, having fewer moving parts.

realitypolice
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

A 22-year-old catcher who’s putting up league-average offense in Triple-A is “incredibly risky,” you say?

tbwhite67Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  realitypolice

of course a mid-30’s OF with declining numbers and due to make between $30 and 38 million for the next two years isn’t exactly a high-value asset.

Mahoney
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Even if the Padres take on a little extra salary via Blackmon, they should jump on a Blackmon/Hosmer trade for one simple reason. Hosmer will have 10-and-5 rights next year, and can veto any trade. If, ironically enough, Blackmon waives his no-trade to go to a contender, the Padres will have a smaller financial albatross to deal with from Blackmon than Hosmer.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago

As a Bucs fan, I’m a bit underwhelmed here. Although reading about Jack brightened my mood a bit. All three are R5 eligible so it will be interesting to see the incoming flurry of moves on the 40 man in the next six months. I could see as many 15 names there being different next year, either due to trade or being let go. Lots of dead wood on that roster.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Yes–that’s three more players who need 40 man protection. Two of them are Rule 5 eligible already. And none of them are really ready for the big leagues except maybe Marcano. Unless they’re planning on skipping some guys over AAA entirely (which they could do) it’s going to be a real mess. Of the players who will need protection aren’t on the active roster, the ones closest to the majors are Keller, Marcano, Swaggerty, Castro. Oneil Cruz, Kranick, Mason Martin, Smith-Njigba, Roansy Contreras, Steven Jennings, Cody Bolton, Suwinski, and Cal Mitchell. The ones who are further away are Peguero, Lolo Sanchez, Tahnaj Thomas, and Miliano. That’s a lot!

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think it will be as much of a mess as you think. The big league roster is filled with guys who will be gone in 2022. Some time trades, but mostly just because they suck and will be DFA’d. By my count Polanco, Difo, Michael Perez, Evans, Shreve, Underwood, Kyle Keller, Davis, Oviedo, De Jong, Howard, Tucker, EG and Tom will be cut loose. Or should be, rather. Among trades, I’m guessing Anderson, Stratton, and Rodríguez. There really isn’t much that needs to be tied down, and there might be more they can scrape away.
Aren’t a bunch of those names you listed already on the 40 and protected? I know Keller, Kranick, Castro, and Cruz are. Maybe you mean Omar Cruz? Of the names you mentioned I might not even bother protecting Bolton or especially Jennings.
If almost every team is in a roster jam because the pandemic crunched the minors, then…no one is really in a jam.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

This is going to be a bigger problem than what you outline. The problem isn’t just the 40-man roster, it’s that you need them on the 26 man roster too. Almost all of the guys you list can be DFA’d with no consequence but several of them aren’t on the active roster (about a third of them) and unless you want the prospects in the majors there will be a crunch.

By my math, your scenario has the starting lineup of this year minus Polanco and Difo, an extra outfielder in Oliva, four starters, and five relievers. At the minimum you need one more starter (Keller? Cranick? Yajure?) and another three relievers, a second baseman (Marcano?), a right fielder (maybe Oliva if he performs but so far he’s not performed), and a backup catcher (someone has to take Perez’s spot). None of the players who would be projected look like relievers except maybe Yajure, and none of the players are catchers. So you let’s say the Pirates add Keller, put Yajure in the bullpen, and keep Cranick as depth in AAA; make Marcano the every day second baseman for now; and they need two more relievers and a catcher. You have four spaces left on the active roster for position players, but the only ones left who might be ready is Swaggerty or Cruz (if you just stick him in right field), and maybe not even him. Maybe Castro, but then Marcano goes back to AAA, so that doesn’t help you.

That means that you have to have the following players on the 40-man roster, but not on the active roster: Castro, Kranick, Mason Martin, Smith-Njigba, Roansy Contreras, Tahnaj Thomas, Peguero, Lolo Sanchez, Miliano, and Suwinski. That’s ten names already before you even start thinking about Mitchell, Bolton, Santiago Flores, or Jennings, who would take them exactly to the 14 players they that aren’t on the 26-man but are on the 40. And before we consider that Swaggerty or Cruz might just not be ready. And before we consider that there is only one pitcher hanging out in AAA waiting to be called up (Kranick) and no relievers hanging out waiting to be called up. You could, in theory, get through by signing a bunch of minor league free agent pitchers, keeping them in AAA, bringing them up when needed and DFA’ing them afterwards. But it’s not ideal.

The problem isn’t exactly that there isn’t room on the 40-man, it’s that there isn’t room on the 14 spots that aren’t on the 26-man roster.

EDIT: While I was typing this up, they traded a reliever to NYY for an outfielder who might be ready to be in the majors (Hoy Park) and an infielder who probably is not and already Rule 5 eligible (Diego Castillo). So you can stick Park on the 26-man but you also have to add Castillo to the long list of players who probably need to be protected. Maybe they just skip Castillo to the majors to play infield? It’s going to be tough to figure this out.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

FWIW Park is mostly a 2B/SS and has only played six games in the OF in the minors. I think Fangraphs’ page for him lists him as “OF” because the one game he played in the majors, he hit for Tim Locastro and stayed in to play RF.

Oddly this was the game before Locastro was hurt.

Mahoney
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

This all could make sense if the Pirates start dumping their remaining players of value for pre-Rule 5 lottery pick types. Maybe they insist on a decent one or two for Rodriguez and Stallings, maybe a low-odds prospect for Gamel, etc., but in the end they might want to assemble the crappiest possible roster for the last 2 months to chase the DBacks for the 1-1 pick in 2022.

And if that’s the case, a lot of the guys on the season-ending 26-man roster will get dumped, making some extra room for the Rule 5 eligible crew in their system.

Max Power
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

marcano is already on 40-man

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

This is enormous value for the Padres so you can’t really complain. He’s an everyday guy who can play 2 or 3 positions, he’s got another year of team control, and the Padres gave up nothing. But if you’re counting at home, this is the fourth second baseman the team has landed who can play a couple other spots. Cronenworth, Kim, Profar, and Frazier. Everything suggests their talents are optimized at second base. You think Preller likes this type or what?

Bartolo Cologne
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Ah, in my comment above, I failed to mention Profar in my depth list. I knew I was missing someone, but to your point, there are just so many of them!

Bernie Sanders
4 years ago

Thank you, Dan. Very cool!

Roman AjzenMember since 2020
4 years ago

It’s interesting to think what this means for next year, when the Padres will still have Myers and Hosmer around (for the low low price of $43m), but lose their one productive corner OF option (Pham). Playing Frazier full time in the OF is suboptimal AND you lose the benefit gained from having him replace underperformers in Myers, Hosmer, Profar (who will make $7m himself) and Kim (who I really like, but good defensive 2B who can’t hit don’t normally cost 4/$28). That implies the Padres have to resign or replace Pham (in a pretty thin free agent market for OFs) in order to continue to use Frazier to cover the $57m in bad contracts they’ve given out. Have to give them a ton of credit for treating that as a sunk cost (at least for 2021) and going out to improve the team by giving the Pirates some floatsam that won’t likely crack the roster any time soon, but it speaks incredibly poorly of AJ’s track record on the free agent market.

dontcare
4 years ago
Reply to  Roman Ajzen

Kim’s not a bad contract yet. His defense is incredible at 3 infield positions, but he’s blocked by All Stars. He’s gotten a lot better at catching up to mid-90s+ FBs when he was way behind early in the season.

Roman AjzenMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dontcare

I think Kim is great, but I also think he needs more PT to continue improving his hit tool and this move essentially limits him to being Fernando’s and Manny’s backup, which will sharply cut into his ABs. Maybe a full offseason in the US helps make up for that gap, but without ABs the risk of his hit tool never fully developing only increases. If ever there was a time to send him down to the minors for a month or so it would be now so that he is in better position to contribute in Sept/Oct and for the rest of his contract.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Roman Ajzen

This is what CJ Abrams is for. Problem solved.

gtagomoriMember since 2017
4 years ago

Brilliant move. Adds pressure on the Giants and Dodgers too. And likely let’s SD play spoiler vs those two a bit more. They can use their fully stocked farm system to create a higher cost to the other two by simply being involved in the media.

This is almost a psychological ploy as much as a baseball one.

Great message to send to the clubhouse too

natedub
4 years ago
Reply to  gtagomori

I’d bet you next to anything that Andrew Friedman and Farhan Zaidi don’t give two shits about the Padres being involved in the media.

gtagomoriMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  natedub

Trevor Bauer

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

Also, as long as we’re at it: My default expectation is that rental position players don’t get anything at the trade deadline. Nelson Cruz made me wonder if that wasn’t going to happen this year, but this trade return for the Pirates is so weak that I think my original thought was right. This is a guy who can play everyday at second base and fill in the outfield and has another year of team control and he got the JD Martinez-treatment. If that’s what the going rate is for Frazier I don’t want to see the return for someone like Schoop.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah I don’t like the return either. Reports seem to be that BC was fixated on Marcano in the Musgrove deal and couldn’t get him then, so he came back to the well again. That’s a Huntington move.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

I would say it is impossible that this was the best deal for Frazier but I said that when JD Martinez was given away to the D-Backs and it turns out that the trade market was nonexistent for position players.

I guess it’s possible that Cherington was just really high on Marcano, and he’d have to be, because by Eric’s evaluations he should have just held Frazier if this was the best deal on the table. This deal is absolutely a steal if Marcano turns into a David Fletcher-type guy–5 or6 home runs, very very few strikeouts, good defense at second. That’s an everyday guy. If you think he’s Cesar Izturis, well, then the deal is no good.

I would think Cherington is in the former camp. It just doesn’t make sense that some set of the Giants, White Sox, Mariners and Yankees weren’t willing to to this offer, so clearly he thinks this offer is better than Eric would.

szielinskiMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Frazier is not a rental.

balsosnell
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Frazier this year is looking like J-Hay 2014 to me

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago

The return for the Pirates seems thin to me.

dontcare
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Marcano is unexciting but solid. Maybe the Pirates are betting on him finding some more power in the majors.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
4 years ago

Call me crazy but I like the return for the Pirates. I’m can understand why the computer wouldn’t be a huge fan of Tucupita (which is really fun to say). He went from A to the majors and hasn’t had the typical development that most players are accustomed to. Clearly the Padres must have liked something they saw in him though or he probably would have started the year in A+ ball, not the majors. He’s held his own fairly well since being sent down to AAA though. Any time a player can hold their own in AAA at 21, I’m intrigued.

Suwinski intrigues me even more though. His gains this year seem real. Higher walk rate, lower k-rate, pulling the ball and putting it in the air more, sounds like a recipe for success. His BABIP is reasonable as well.

It would be nice if both players had a longer track record of success, however, I think they both have some real nice upside and it wouldn’t surprise me if one of them has a better career than Frazier.

dontcare
4 years ago

I don’t get this trade for the Padres unless Frazier can play RF.

carterMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dontcare

Well first, he probably can. That is what roster resource projects at this moment. But that wasn’t what the move was for. They made it so it makes Myers and Cronenworth play 1st base primarily, with Hosmer relegated to what he is best at, putting chains on people after they hit home runs.

dontcare
4 years ago
Reply to  carter

My worry is that Frazier has only played ~315 innings of OF since 2018, and only LF since 2020. Maybe that’s due to the Pirates’ roster construction, but it gives me pause and reminds me of the Wil Myers experiment in CF/3B. I also don’t like the idea of Cronenworth at 1B – the bat will play reasonably well and he’s excelled defensively there in limited action, but why move your 7 DRS in 1000 innings 2B off position unless Frazier was the only bat available? All speculation, but why not go hard on Mancini/Santana/Aguilar/Cron? The trade in a vacuum is fine though, I like Frazier and I don’t mind the package they gave up for him.

carterMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dontcare

I sort of agree with moving Cronenworth off of second. It won’t help his value. I just think that they feel that first base is their biggest hole, so they felt a combination of Cronenworth and Myers was the ideal scenario.

srpst23Member since 2025
4 years ago

I can’t fathom why the Pirates kicked in $+1 million to “upgrade” to this return. Why bother with this trade if the centerpiece of the trade is going to be your 25th rated prospect. I imagine that the same garbage return (or similar from the dregs of some other teams prospect list) would still be available Friday. I was always under the impression that you pull the trigger on a trade this far out from the deadline because you’re getting a substantial return that wouldn’t be beat at the deadline. I refuse to accept that is the case here.

motleycrue84Member since 2024
4 years ago

The Pirates just got a comparable package from the Yankees for Clay Holmes as they got from the Padres for Adam Frazier.

What am I missing?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  motleycrue84

I don’t think they did, but it is worth noting that at the deadline relievers get way more in trade than they do in the offseason and position players get less. Holmes also isn’t a free agent for a long, long time. I find it strange because you would think a talented but iffy reliever with no options remaining would make a lot more sense for a team like the Pirates than the Yankees. But clearly the Yankees and Pirates disagree!

motleycrue84Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Pirates got a 40+ (Castillo) and a 40 (Park) from NYY and a 40 (Marcano), a 35+ (Suminski) and honorable mention (Miliano) from SD.

I actually like Marcano a good amount, but also think Castillo is a sleeper. I was just starting to root for PIT after that big draft, but was hoping they could get more for Frazier, if by packaging him with their other expendable pieces (Tyler Anderson, Rodriguez, Stratton, Chasen Shreve, Kuhl, Bednar, Stafford, Colin Moran)

Also, Wil Crowe isn’t a free agent for a long, long time either-doesn’t mean he’s valuable

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  motleycrue84

Im shocked at the return for Holmes. A low, leverage middle reliever with a pretty poor track record shouldn’t there you much. Granted, he’s had a velo spike and his peripherals suggest he’s pitched better his results indicate but still well short of anything special. The Pirates seem to be going all in on players that have come out of no where and are having statistically great seasons. Suwinski, Park and Castillo all fit that mold. Personally I like the approach. If just one of them clicks, that’s a win.

JediHoyer
4 years ago

i just think rizzo for hosmer makes a ton of sense. campusano as the centerpiece and fill it out.

carterMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Cubs have said they aren’t interested in moving Rizzo.

MichaelMember since 2017
4 years ago

I think the Padres should pick up another second basemen.