Postseason Managerial Report Card: John Schneider (Part 1: Batting)

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This postseason, FanGraphs is continuing its tradition of writing report cards for the on-field decisions made by playoff managers. Excluding the managers who lost in the best-of-three Wild Card Series, we cover every round of the playoffs for all eight managers. It’s detailed enough that I’ve begun enlisting some help. So far this year, I have graded the efforts of A.J. Hinch, Aaron Boone, Craig Counsell, Rob Thomson, and Dan Wilson. Dan Szymborski scrutinized Pat Murphy’s performance. Today and tomorrow, I’m taking a look at John Schneider. The Blue Jays played enough games that we decided to split his report into two. Michael Baumann will follow with a review of Dave Roberts. It takes a village to get the kind of in-depth coverage we aspire to provide you.

Our goal is to evaluate each manager in terms of process, not results. If you bring in your best pitcher to face their best hitter in a huge spot, that’s a good decision regardless of the outcome. Try a triple steal with the bases loaded only to have the other team make four throwing errors to score three runs? I’m probably going to call that a blunder even though it worked out. Managers do plenty of other things — getting team buy-in for new strategies or unconventional bullpen usage behind closed doors is a skill I find particularly valuable — but as I have no insight into how that’s accomplished or how each manager differs, I can’t exactly assign grades for it.

I’m also purposefully avoiding vague qualitative concerns like “trusting your veterans because they’ve been there before.” Playoff coverage lovingly focuses on clutch plays by proven performers, but guys like Trey Yesavage and Addison Barger were also excellent this October. Forget trusting your veterans; the playoffs are about trusting your best players. George Springer is important because he’s great, not because of the number of playoff series he’s appeared in. There’s nothing inherently good about having been around a long time; when I’m evaluating decisions, “but he’s a veteran” just doesn’t enter my thought process.

I’m always looking for new analytical wrinkles in critiquing managerial decisions. For instance, I’ve increasingly come to view pitching decisions as a trade-off between protecting your best relievers from overexposure and minimizing your starters’ weakest matchups, which means that I’m grading managers on multiple axes in every game. I think there’s almost no pitching decision that’s a true no-brainer these days; there are just too many competing priorities to make anything totally obvious. That means I’m going to be less certain in my evaluation of pitching than of hitting, but I’ll try to make my confidence level clear in each case. Let’s get to it – well, at least, the hitting half of it.

Batting: C-
The Blue Jays offense seems pretty easy to run. You put your good guys out there, they score a million runs, the other team’s pitchers look sad, end of story. But “easy to run” is not how John Schneider works. The man is a born tinkerer, and his roster is tinker-friendly, with multi-positional whiz Ernie Clement fronting a group of versatile defenders. With Springer (and later Bo Bichette) limited by injury, there were also plenty of offense/defense switches to consider. In the first two games of the ALDS against the Yankees, the Jays scored an aggregate 23 runs, and they did so while changing three starters from one game to the next. Isiah Kiner-Falefa, Davis Schneider, and Myles Straw all platooned in against lefty Max Fried in the second game, setting a tone that the Jays would use their entire roster.

That configuration didn’t last long; the Jays faced another lefty the next day and subbed in Anthony Santander for Straw. Kiner-Falefa only lasted two innings; when the Yankees brought in a righty reliever to replace a laboring Carlos Rodón, Barger came in off the bench. That was a little early for my taste, especially because it stacked the lefty-hitting Barger in front of the lefty Andrés Giménez. For the lefty-light Jays lineup, that provided the Yankees a natural place to use their lone lefty reliever, Tim Hill. True to form, Hill turned Barger inside out with a runner on base at a key spot in the game. Fortunately for the Blue Jays, though, it didn’t matter. Their guys beat the Yankees squarely in the run of play, and Game 4 went Toronto’s way without any roster shenanigans or pinch-hitting, only the standard defensive substitutions. (Straw and Kiner-Falefa were both preferred late-inning options with a lead all October, rightfully so.)

Facing a righty-only Mariners rotation in the ALCS, Schneider had to mothball his multi-lineup plan. Straw got into Game 1 when Nathan Lukes fouled a ball off of his knee, but the Jays really didn’t want Straw hitting against righties, and Schneider ended up pinch-hitting for him with Davis Schneider, who was on the roster as a lefty-masher but is still a better option than Straw against righties. Luckily, Lukes was able to return the next day. Unluckily, Santander was unavailable due to back tightness, which meant Davis Schneider (managers and players with the same last name should be illegal, thank you for coming to my TED Talk) got more run in some subpar matchups.

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This time, the Jays got blown out 10-3, and John Schneider eventually subbed out catcher Alejandro Kirk, a key offensive option, to give him the ninth inning off. I might have done it even earlier, to be honest, but I loved that move and think that managers don’t do this often enough. Catching is hard! Catching every day is particularly hard. The game wasn’t in doubt. I’m not sure how much an inning of rest helps – but presumably it helps a non-zero amount.

The Santander saga came to an unhappy end once the series shifted to Seattle. After three plate appearances, his back injury forced him out of the game again, this time for the rest of the postseason. Fortunately, the Jays won by nine and Straw’s 0-for-2 line in the cleanup spot didn’t matter at all. Santander’s replacement in Game 4 was actually Kiner-Falefa plus some defensive pivots, which meant Barger in right field and a natural offense-for-defense switch later on, with Straw pinch-running and playing the field. It worked like a charm, and Kiner-Falefa even provided an offensive boost.

The biggest problem I saw was that bunts starting to creep in. Giménez dropped down a pure sacrifice, to be fair against a very tough lefty in Gabe Speier, and it worked out in the sense that not only did the runner he advanced score, but the guy who drove him in scored because the Jays just score a ton of runs overall. Later in the game, Kiner-Falefa gave himself up as well, but the Jays were already up four, and there were two runners on, which feels like a better spot to bunt to me. I still didn’t love it, though. I hate bunting when you’re a team that makes very few outs overall; it’s just wasteful given how likely Toronto was to hang a crooked number up anyway. More on that later.

After two uneventful games from a decision-making standpoint, the ALCS reached a climactic Game 7. The biggest offensive decision was another sacrifice bunt. With runners on first and second and no one out in the bottom of the seventh, the Jays trailed by two runs. Giménez dropped down a sacrifice bunt that moved runners to second and third with one out. It was a bad play by win probability, because it increased the Jays’ chances of leaving the inning with only one run. It was a confusing play based on the run of the game; Giménez had the platoon advantage, he’d already walked against opposing pitcher Bryan Woo, and again, the Jays put hits together in bunches. They scored six runs a game this postseason despite playing against some of the best pitching staffs in the majors. The next two batters after the bunt both got hits, and one of them was a massive home run. Stop giving up outs!

The World Series made Schneider’s job easier. The Dodgers had almost no relievers of note, so he didn’t have to carefully separate his best right-handed hitters to avoid running into a righty relief ace. He stacked the top of the lineup with his best righties, and even better, Bichette returned from injury to play second base, which lengthened the lineup even more. The lineup against Blake Snell in the opener featured five righties in a row at the top, and after they chased him from the game, Schneider got to deploy his trusted lefties in good spots. Lukes and Barger each drove in runs in a nine-run sixth that blew the game open. Barger’s was a grand slam against Anthony Banda, a lefty specifically summoned to counter him. Banda had to stay in the game after that, and gave up another two hits to the scary righties who followed. Excellent game of managing here; the Jays were a nightmare matchup for Snell and the Dodgers, and Schneider made things even harder on Los Angeles with prudent managing.

Game 2 was quiet, with Bichette back on the bench and Lukes back in the lineup against a righty. Game 3, an 18-inning classic, was full of levers to pull, though. Bichette started again. Springer departed early after tweaking his oblique on a foul ball, and 18 innings meant plenty of substitutions for the switch-happy Jays. Kiner-Falefa pinch-ran for Bichette in the seventh. Straw ran for Barger in the eighth. Davis Schneider ran for Ty France, Springer’s replacement, in the 10th. Tyler Heineman, Toronto’s 34-year-old backup catcher, ran for Kirk in the 12th. That gang of four pinch-runners then went a combined 1-for-14 as the game dragged on and the Jays failed to score against an endless array of so-so Dodgers relievers.

Contingent on a game going this long, some substitutions will end up looking bad, so I’m trying not to be too harsh on Schneider. But I wasn’t enamored with his decision-making. When Bichette departed the game, Toronto was already light on the offensive end because of Springer’s departure; the team was also up by only a run, and with two outs, a pinch-runner wasn’t particularly valuable anyway. Bichette was likely to bat again even if the game didn’t go to extras, and one run just isn’t a lot against a Dodgers team with so much power, so extras were definitely in the equation. It was just a defensive substitution, really, but I thought it was too early to be playing for defense. The Dodgers are scary because they put a lot of balls over the wall; I don’t like removing good hitters as a counter.

I liked the decision to pinch-run for Barger more – it occurred later in the game, and this time it was a tie ballgame with a weak reliever, Jack Dreyer, on the mound. This was more of an offensive substitution – the run really mattered and Straw is a lot faster than Barger. It didn’t pan out, but I understand the thinking at least. In a real bummer of an outcome, though, Kiner-Falefa and Straw made two of the three outs in the bottom of the ninth, sandwiched between all of Toronto’s best remaining hitters, who mostly reached base.

Schneider’s need to make moves bit him almost immediately. When France singled with two outs in the bottom of the 10th, it was an obvious spot for a speedy pinch-runner. The problem was that Schneider had already used everyone fast. He had to go to Davis Schneider, who has about average footspeed, and he ended up getting thrown out at the plate on a play where Straw or Kiner-Falefa probably would have scored. Now, the Jays were working with a disastrously bad lineup. When Kirk walked to start the 12th, John Schneider dug himself even deeper by first pinch-running with Heineman, making the offense even worse, and then having Straw try to sacrifice him to second. Straw softly lined out his bunt attempt, but then, the Jays being the Jays, they loaded the bases in the inning anyway. Unfortunately, a bunch of soft spots in the lineup were due up and they couldn’t capitalize. With no hitters left on the bench to bring in and a remaining lineup so weak that there were never baserunners to bunt over, Schneider was done making decisions for the game, and after the Jays failed to score for 11 straight innings, the Dodgers finally won in the 18th.

With Springer out temporarily, Schneider moved everyone up a spot in the lineup, putting Vladimir Guerrero Jr. second. Then he proceeded to make almost no substitutions for two straight games, with the Jays winning both convincingly. That sent the series back to Toronto for the final two games, and even better, Springer returned. Game 6 was a Yoshinobu Yamamoto washout, though I do have one note on that game: The Jays put runners on second and third with no one out in the bottom of the ninth inning, looking to tie the game at three. The first of those runners was Straw, in for Kirk. The second was Barger, who frequently got replaced by a pinch-runner throughout the playoffs, but for whatever reason stayed in the game this time, even with Kiner-Falefa still available. (Kiner-Falefa is no longer fast, but he still grades out as an above-average baserunner.) Barger promptly got doubled off of second base to end the game on a poor base-running decision. It is definitely not a good look to be wildly pinch-runner happy and yet have a guy you frequently pinch-run for making a huge base-running blunder in a crucial situation.

For Game 7, Schneider stuck with his best lineup and also his tinkering tendencies. In the top of the first inning, he put the banged-up Springer in motion and ran into a strike-em-out-throw-em-out double play against a clearly compromised Shohei Ohtani. Hate it, hate it, hate it. In the bottom of the third, Schneider had Lukes sacrifice bunt, and come on, why? You trusted this guy enough to bat second in Game 7 of the World Series. He had the platoon advantage. He hadn’t bunted all postseason. Ohtani was getting hit hard – he’d faced 10 batters and half of them had reached. Stop giving up outs! Three more Blue Jays reached base in the inning, obviously.

A pretty good spot for a bunt came up in the bottom of the eighth inning, with a runner on second and nobody out, and Schneider obviously wasn’t going to miss the easy bunt opportunities given how frequently he was calling that particular play. Giménez faced a nightmare matchup in Snell, and after a foul bunt attempt, the Dodgers brought the corner infielders in. Noticing this, the scrappy second baseman made a great adjustment, electing for the slash-bunt play instead; he showed bunt, pulled it back, then swung away and rifled a line drive at third baseman Max Muncy, who reflexively snared it for an incredible play. This was the rare spot where I actually liked the initial bunt call, and I really liked the flexibility that Schneider gave Giménez to slash when the defensive positioning changed. It didn’t work out, but the bad outcome doesn’t change my confidence that this was good decision-making.

Without extra innings, that would have been the last decision Schneider made on offense. But this game couldn’t end without another bunt, obviously. Trailing by a run in the bottom of the 11th, the Jays got things started with a Guerrero double. Schneider immediately called the sac, this time by Kiner-Falefa, who was in the game after pinch-running for Bichette. He got it down to advance Guerrero to third, but the Jays hit into a series-ending double play, what with one and two making three outs and all. Stop giving away outs! This particular bunt is awful because it’s playing for a tie when the second run is just as valuable as the first. A one-run inning moves your odds of a victory from 0% to 50%. A two-run inning moves them up to 100%. When every run is worth 50% of win probability, it’s a terrible idea to sacrifice outs to make that first run more likely to score. You still have to go win the game, and as we got accustomed to in this series, the Jays were playing with a compromised lineup by this stage and really should have been interested in getting as many bites at the multi-run-inning apple as possible. The simple math says that the successful bunt lowered Toronto’s odds of winning by three percentage points, an enormous blunder. I think it’s even a little worse than that considering the situation, though.

At the end of the day, many of Schneider’s offensive moves seemed to come down to him liking to make moves. The minor defensive substitutions, the pinch-runners, the hit-and-run, the bunts; in watching these games live and then reviewing them for this article, I got the impression of someone who just can’t sit still. Some of these moves were good. Many of them were bad. I have a hard time getting too worked up by the substitutions, even though I didn’t like how aggressively early Schneider removed his best hitters for defensive improvements, but I’m willing to call that just a matter of taste. But the bunts… there, I cannot give him the benefit of the doubt.

The sheer volume of bunts – seven of them plus Giménez’s slash – is baffling to me. This team led the playoffs in both OBP and slugging percentage. They scored runs at will. Their outs even tended to be productive, because they also had the lowest strikeout rate in the playoffs. Stop giving away outs! I didn’t scream at my TV very often this October – only three times, in fact. Two of them were directed at Schneider (one you’ll hear about in the pitching section, and then the 11th-inning bunt). I had to give him a bad grade as a result of that. I’ve said it a lot in this section already, but stop giving away outs.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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georgy
11 months ago

At the end of the day, many of Schneider’s offensive moves seemed to come down to him liking to make moves.

This perfectly sums up my gripe with Schneider all postseason, both on the hitting and pitching side.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
11 months ago
Reply to  georgy

Watching him against the Yanks all season the last few years, this is Schneider’s M.O. From his noted love of IBBs to fiddling around the margins with lineups, etc., it’s just who he is. It worked out well until it didn’t.

Broken BatMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  georgy

Agree; I would guess his home made spaghetti sauce never tastes the same, as he tinkers with different ingredients all the time. He simply needs to stop trying to show us how smart he is; he rarely lets the game just come to him. He was the difference in this series, sadly.

mikejuntMember
11 months ago
Reply to  georgy

I threw this thought out in a way-too-long comment below, but I think that this kind of tendency is probably valuable in the regular season, where calling plays and making moves and getting guys into the game, etc can all be valuable ways to keep the players engaged and present in the game.

But often those things probably involve giving up very small marginal advantages in that exact situation or game, and in the playoffs, you don’t want to do those things anymore. And that adaptation is hard, especially when doing what you were doing has been successful and gotten you this far.

I think every player, and team, adopt a variety of little habits and tendencies in the regular season that are valuable to keeping guys engaged and focused through the long marathon of the season, and that it’s easy for those to carry over to the postseason because all humans are creatures of habit, and athletes tend in that direction even moreso, but those habits often are not useful and sometimes are detrimental when the task is to win very specific baseball games and mine out the very specific marginal advantages in them without concern for the long-term beyond next week.

On a team full of platoon bats, being too aggressive about substitutions helps make sure all those guys are getting into games and keeping themselves ready to get into games even if it doesn’t look like exactly the right spot for them. Doing it in situations where it’s actually a neutral upgrade for winning this game, or even a minor downgrade, is still good. This tendency helps.

In the postseason, it’s not helpful.

Last edited 11 months ago by mikejunt
luchasaurus_rex
11 months ago

As someone who also hated the bunt attempt in the bottom of the 11th, I’m curious as to why this article is so high on the attempt in the bottom of the 8th.

It mentions that Snell is a terrible match-up for Gimenez, but any pitcher is a nightmare match-up for Kiner-Falefa. I get that scoring the additional run in the 8th pushes the lead to two runs, but I’d still rather have three attempts at bringing the runner in than two. In my eyes, the only smart thing about the attempt in the 8th was giving Gimenez the option to swing instead.

luchasaurus_rex
11 months ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

I guess my question is more this: What gives you better odds of scoring with a runner on second and no outs, bunting with the first batter or letting him swing? My issue is more that bunting removes almost any possibility of the first batter driving in the run

walterbj0319
11 months ago

Didn’t like the bunt in the 11th either, but getting hits of Yamamoto was not particularly likely. Not that I would do this but perhaps they were playing for one run to extend the game and get Yamamoto out of there.

RobertMember since 2016
11 months ago

You are a very good writer and definitely can be independent without the cop out “it takes a village.”

Nick
11 months ago
Reply to  Robert

What a miserable comment on a great article

RobertMember since 2016
11 months ago
Reply to  Nick

You mean despicable, not miserable.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
11 months ago

Think about this: this team averaged 6+ R/G in the postseason, yet the substitutions in game 3 neutered the lineup to the point that they went 11 straight innings without a run against a questionable (at best) Dodgers pen. Lost in the shuffle of the baserunning micro-failures (especially in game 7), this was a huge, huge opportunity that they missed.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
11 months ago

I wonder about the effect it has on managers that the rules are now so different for extra innings in the postseason. Obviously they consciously know that they aren’t getting the free runner but I suspect there may still be a lot of residual bias toward short-term tactical moves that creeps in — you have 162 games to “learn,” implicitly, that games always end by the 11th or at worst the 12th.

TrigauxMember since 2016
11 months ago

I think it is hard to judge Toronto’s maneuvers with so many players playing hurt. Bichette, Springer, Lukes, etc. half of them probably needed pain management.

R J
11 months ago
Reply to  Trigaux

This – it’s odd to claim that the Bichette substitution in Game 3 was “just a defensive replacement” when everyone knew Bichette was playing with one good knee and was incapable of sprinting

Twitchy
11 months ago
Reply to  Trigaux

Game 3 a lot of the offensive subs were unnecessary, though Bichette you can justify for defence or pinch running. But they took out all the offensive players.

But even take the IKF bunt in game 7 – why not PH France and at least try to get a hit? If he fails you’re not really worse off than you are with the bunt and if he succeeds you score a run or have first and second or first and third with nobody out. That isn’t a pain management thing, that’s a John Schneider bragged about bunting all year, and the excessive bunting cost them dearly.

Or I didn’t like PH Lukes in the 8th of game 7. After game 3 I wouldn’t take out a regular bat unless you have to. Would have also allowed Straw to run for Bichette instead of IKF. Not that you’d know you need a PR, but it was so close the Dodgers coming back wasn’t an unreasonable scenario and you couldn’t afford to lose your starting lineup like in game 3.

Dave TMember since 2016
11 months ago
Reply to  Twitchy

It’s going too far in the direction of very specific scenarios to criticize those Game 7 Lukes-Schneider-Straw moves:

Schneider (105 career wRC+ vs LH pitchers) pinch hits for Lukes (83 career wRC+ vs LH pitchers) with 2 outs and runner on 2nd. That’s solid.

Straw enters the game as a defensive sub for top of the 9th with a 1-run lead, and (even better) can be in the batting spot that made the last out of the 8th. Also solid. I *really* struggle with any before the fact argument for keeping the Blue Jay’s 2nd-best defensive OF’er on the bench with a 1-run lead in the top of the 9th inning.

Twitchy
11 months ago
Reply to  Dave T

It’s important to recognize Davis Schneider’s strength is not as a pinch hitter. He’s a career 115/250/154 hitter, which is a 27 wRC+, when pinch hitting. Schneider is quite good when he’s starting the game, but he’s really ineffective as a pinch hitter. We saw that all postseason as well, he did much better as a starter than entering as a pinch hitter. So while I agree Schneider > Lukes vs LHP, Schneider was very unlikely to get a hit in that situation given his struggles pinch hitting.

I wouldn’t mind Straw coming in most days, but with the risk of the Dodgers tying it I wouldn’t want his bat coming up in a key spot like in game 3. Lukes & Barger are more than good enough and it’s worth keeping them around for defence.

Last edited 11 months ago by Twitchy
darrylhumpsgophersMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  Twitchy

I think the sample is too small to draw conclusions from

Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
11 months ago

I thought the 11th inning bunt call in Game 7 was an especially bad decision – I also was worried if the guy in front of Kirk walked after that since any ground ball that didn’t get through was probably going to be a game-ending, Series-ending DP.

I didn’t want my fear to be realized as I really wanted the Jays to win, but, that’s baseball.

Regardless of outcome, that sac bunt – and it was a great one that he nearly beat out – was poor decision-making.

Great Series, though, one of the best I’ve ever seen.

mikejuntMember
11 months ago

as a Dodger fan I was annoyed Dave DIDNT IBB to set up that double play ball there, since the Kirk DP was such a clear opportunity.

aviariesMember since 2024
11 months ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Yamamoto effectively took matters into his own hands, but I’m never a fan of intentionally putting the go-ahead run on base. Especially when said go-ahead run would walk off the world series.
I’m sure this will be covered in Doc’s report card.

mikejuntMember
11 months ago
Reply to  aviaries

In the moment I thought it was the unintentional-IBB where they were only going to throw him a very specific pitch that isn’t a strike but hope he’d swing at it

But with a runner on 3rd I would have rathered the basic IBB than the chance of throwing one to the backstop.

And I do follow you on the winning run question, however, it is the same as covered here for Schneider re: the identical changes in your win probability: preventing the first run moves you to 100%, allowing the 2nd takes you to 0%, and having exactly 1 run score puts you back at 50%.

But with a lead and what is certainly the last inning of the pitcher you will have the most confidence in of anything available to you for the rest of the game, there’s an argument that the 11th is your best opportunity to win the game. And the best way to do that is to maximize the situations in which that run doesn’t score: going from K/Popout as your outs that can prevent the run to K/BB/GIDP is a big change.

According to raw win probability, the walk to Kirk was worth 4.6% win probability in favor of the Jays. However, win probability doesn’t know Kirk is substantially more likely to GIDP than the average MLB player. So my guess is that the walk was a lot closer to neutral.

Alejando Kirk, if he were to play long enough, is a candidate to challenge Pujols career GIDP record. He has already grounded into 66 double plays in just over 2000 career plate appearances. He has a career ground ball rate of 47% and he is incredibly slow.

He also has a career infield popup rate of 11%; by creating the 1st/3rd 1 out situation, you’ve created a situation where nearly 60% of his batted ball distribution doesn’t score a run and nearly half of them end the game immediately.

In fact I ran the numbers for giggles; Pujols has around 6.5x the career PA total that Kirk does. Kirk’s career 66 GIDPs x 6.5 is 429 – 3 more than Pujols GIDP record.

I think that IBBing the winning run would be wrong like 95 or 98% of the time. But I think that Alejandro Kirk represents the exception: he is quite possibly the single active player most likely to give you a double play, and on a lot of them you will even be able to take your time!

Do you remember at the end of Pujols career, before the shift rules changes made it illegal for infielders to stand on the outfield grass, when shortstops would play *on the grass* in DP scenarios because he was so slow that you could take the benefit of that extra range and not be at any risk of failing to turn the double play? Albert spent some of those last months on the Dodgers and even had a bit of a resurgence, but it was quite common for shortstops to stand about 3-5 feet into the left field grass, as long as they had the arm to make the throw.

I think people would do that to Kirk, if it weren’t illegal now.

Last edited 11 months ago by mikejunt
luchasaurus_rex
11 months ago
Reply to  mikejunt

I think this also supports bunting with Kiner-Falefa as a bad idea. If they let him hit and he records an out without advancing the runner, I think it greatly lowers the chances of the Dodgers “intentionally” walking the batter to set up a potential double play, because they now have more wiggle room to get those lost two outs without the runner scoring.

Having a runner on second with one out is worse then having them on third with one out so this seems kind of nonsensical, but that bunt allowed the Dodgers to set up the worst-case scenario for the Blue Jays

Not only that, but there’s always a chance Kiner-Falefa does come through with a hit, which was almost completely eliminated by bunting.

Last edited 11 months ago by luchasaurus_rex
mikejuntMember
11 months ago

I agree with you here and think that the “Manfred Man Bunt” (eg bunting from 2nd to 3rd with 0 outs) is a bad play basically universally unless you think your odds of winning are so bad that you’re basically banking on the wild pitch or similar stuff.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
11 months ago

Don’t forget that Kirk was thrown out from medium right field by Wilyer Abreu after hitting a ball that would have been a single for every other player on the planet.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
11 months ago
Reply to  mikejunt

I was waving four fingers at my TV in bafflement. It seemed like a very obvious move.

Dmjn53
11 months ago

For as smart as baseball as gotten in the last 20 years or so, the fact that the bunt refuses to go extinct baffles me

The one in the 11th was particularly bad. You have 3 outs left in your season and you chose to deliberately give one away to the best pitcher in the series? I can’t make sense of it

cashgod27Member since 2024
11 months ago

Re: the Bichette pinch-run in Game 3, Bichette clearly needed to be load-managed since he was not close to 100% and wouldn’t have been playing at that point in his recovery in the regular season.

mikejuntMember
11 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

Obviously playing Bichette was worth it (see the G7 home run), but his injury cost the Jays several times. There was a situation in Game 6 where virtually any baserunner would have scored, but Bichette could only make it to 3rd and he was neither fast nor comfortable doing so. NOT pinching for him in that situation also cost the Jays a run.

Schneider in this series had a number of instances where he encountered a situation, made one decision, had it backfire, then encountered the situation again, made the other decision, and also had it backfire.

Whether that is luck of the draw and the bounce, or whether there is an argument that being burned once made him not make the same choice later when it would have paid off is an interesting question. Does he not pinch run for Bichette the 2nd time because the first backfired? If it were a random manager, I’d say no, because I think it would have been a bit aggressive to do so, but Schneider is so much more keen to make moves than average that I think it is in the realm of possibility.

Last edited 11 months ago by mikejunt
joelbarlow
11 months ago

Look-at-me managing and to a lesser extent look-at-me baserunning were defining themes of this postseason

ichiro262Member since 2024
11 months ago

Wonder how much of the Jays’ bad baserunning falls on Scheider’s shoulders. People always rip Aaron Boone so hard when the Yankees made dumb mistakes.

But the Blue Jays had heavy doses of poor focus (Bichette pickoff, Springer CS) and poor decision-making (Barger doubled-off, IKF out at home) costing them.

I found it especially funny hearing Schneider emphasize that he hadn’t had a team meeting all year (in his post-game 7 press conference) when his team was out there making costly mental mistakes.

mikejuntMember
11 months ago
Reply to  ichiro262

I said some of this in the final game thread but the Jays were so consistent in other areas of the game (like defense) that their consistent questions on the basepaths are definitely something that is worth looking at and that implicates more than simply bad luck or player gaffes. I think this is especially true when you consider how a couple of these things happened *more than once*. It is wild to me that the Springer/Guerrero play happened in Game 7 when a similar play already happened in the series! For Bichette, it is completely understandable to attribute it to confusion, to a delayed and bad call, and so many other things (though those things happen a lot more often than guys get picked off because of them).

For a very similar play to happen again, later, with veteran players, is just wild. It should not occur.

I felt all series that the Jays obviously had more guys performing offensively and that was a considerable advantage, but as the series played out you could really see that the Dodgers a lot of very small edges and advantages that eventually did turn out to matter because the series and the games were so close at the end. The Dodgers did not hit as well as the Jays, and they probably pitched equivalently. The Jays did not make defensive miscues – and they made some fantastic defensive plays (especially Guerrero in G7, who it felt like was claiming the MVP from his teammates on the back of his defense in that game). The Dodgers had a couple errors in the early games, but late in the series they were not only defensively sound, but they were clearly well prepared and made a lot of very smart plays and good snap decisions. The G6 lodged ball annoys a certain demographic of people, but I think it is an excellent example of something that happened repeatedly in those two games: Justin Dean, who has just entered the game purely for defensive purposes, in a pivotal moment, a guy who is, besides his glove, basically not a major leaguer at all, is immediately confronted with an unusual situation, and he does exactly what he’s supposed to do.

Andy Pages, benched for one of the worst postseason performances at the plate in history, enters the game and the ball finds him within about 75 seconds, and he makes an absurd play that literally saves the game.

Keeping even the most fringe players on the roster – guys who aren’t expected to play, or who have lost their job – completely locked in and ready to play in the highest pressure situations – is a testament to how those players are coached.

And consistent small, mental mistakes – acting on autopilot, just playing it like you would a regular season game, by the book, etc – are also a testament to how those players are coached.

At the risk of becoming one of those cranks who says that playoff baseball is different, in 2022 and 2023, watching the Dodgers in their LDS losses, I frequently found myself thinking that these incredibly successful Dodger teams were playing exactly like they had in the regular season, where it of course won them like 109 games on average over those two years, and that their opponents were playing with a level of emotion and intensity that was different. And I think the team itself would probably agree with that: there are various stories in the 2000-2023 period of Dodger players talking about things they’re doing to try to match the level of intensity and emotion from their opponents (including things as silly as trying to resurrect old celebrations in order to get people more pumped up, because they didn’t have any of those organically .. sounds very silly in retrospect, but they were clearly thinking about this kind of thing). They sometimes found that naturally (like when they were down 3-1 to the Braves in 2000), but they didn’t appear to be able to choose it.

And, indeed, I think that also was happening in the first two games against the Padres in 2024. And Dave Roberts has admitted that he was trying to get his team fired up and engaged when he picked an argument with Manny Machado about a celebration late in Game 2, just searching for something to get his team fired up.

And not only did that work, but since that time they seem to be able to summon that when they want to. I hate to admit it, because it kind of defies how I’ve looked at baseball for a long time, but it really does seem to be something they had to learn and figure out.

And in the series, I think, you could see that the Jays have not had that experience yet. They found it naturally sometimes, but they also made mistakes that would be at most laughable in the regular season, odd, abnormal things that are not important over 162 games – but that matter a great deal when you’re playing 1 game for all the marbles.

And I also think this applies to their manager – making moves and calling plays and bunts and hit and runs and substitutions are all things that can keep people engaged over a long regular season – both the players and the manager.

One of the easiest things for a great baseball team to do is go into the playoffs saying ‘we’ve been playing great, its been a great year, its working for us, lets keep on doing what we’ve been doing’.

I think one of the things the Dodgers have learned or shown in the last few years is that’s not even – even when what you’ve been doing got you the 2nd best record in NL history. “Just keep rolling” is a trap.

And this entire conclusion kind of pains me, because I spent a lot of years listening to people like Derek Jeter talk about this kind of thing and rolling my eyes. The playoffs are different because the format is different, because every game matters, and because over a long 162 game season, you actually adopt a lot of little behaviors and habits that are necessary – and even helpful – in winning games and getting through that long season – but are not helpful to the task of winning a specific handful of games. And shifting gears from one mode to the other is not automatic, because the habits get deeply ingrained in human beings. And in the playoffs you must leave a bunch of your little regular season habits behind, because they just might burn you if you go on autopilot.

I also think a lot of people who read this will then assume that it implies a lot of things that are stupid – that “veteran presence” matters, etc. But I don’t really think it does, unless that veteran is gifted enough that he can teach that transition to others. And I don’t think many of them, if any at all, really can do that. And just one guy doing it himself isn’t enough. It is a team-wide phenomenon, where everyone does it together, and helps keep each other focused and in that place.

Greg SimonsMember since 2016
11 months ago

Ben, now I’m curious how many times you typically scream at the TV in October if three times isn’t very often.

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ichiro262Member since 2024
11 months ago
Reply to  Greg Simons

Relatedly – what was the other time you screamed?

Jason BMember since 2017
11 months ago
Reply to  ichiro262

He was watching “The Price is Right” and the lady said the trip to Singapore was $9173 instead of $7391

DistantWandering
11 months ago

Pinch runs for 4 of his 5 best hitters in Game 3

Hits a 31-year-old career minor leaguer with no pop 2nd the whole time

Barger inexplicably hitting 7th until like Game 5 even tho he’s the 3rd best hitter on the team

All the bunts

Won’t pinch hit for Lukes or Gimenez with the game on the line

Won’t start the runner with a morbidly obese catcher at the plate in the most crucial AB in franchise history

And this is without even of the pitching decisions

Grade: F. Horrific

Alan ShermanMember since 2025
11 months ago

If Snell is a nightmare matchup for Gimenez, why not give Snell the nightmare instead? Davis Schneider was right there with his helmet on and bat in hand. That’s when I screamed at the TV. Davis got in the inning later, but after the failed slash and an out by Springer, Snell had the momentum. Momentum may not be quantifiable, but it 100% exists in ballplayers’ minds.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
11 months ago

I said this in another thread and got pushback for it, but I don’t think Schneider should’ve run for Kirk at all in Game 6, and definitely not with Straw. At the time Kirk was on first with the Blue Jays down two, which meant his run didn’t matter. The only scenarios where his slowness hurts the team are a force play where the fielders have a play on him but not the batter, a double play ball that a faster runner would be able to break up, or a very unlikely situation where he runs so slowly that it prevents the trail runner from advancing a base. Running for Kirk takes him out of the lineup in case the game goes to extras. And if Schneider was worried about those scenarios, a medium-fast pinch runner like IKF could have taken care of them.

Whereas any marginal gain in speed would have made a huge difference for the next runner on. Hindsight tells us that Barger screwed up. But even if he hadn’t, the Jays would’ve been much more likely to tie the game up with Straw on second and Kirk or IKF on third than with Straw on third and pretty much anyone else on second. Even more so if Barger had wound up on first instead of second.

Matt
11 months ago

Kirk is so slow that he turns a lot of balls that would be simple outs into potential double-play balls, even as a runner. But yeah, when the run itself doesn’t matter, there’s no point to using Straw as the runner. Then you can use Straw to run for Barger. Not saying he still doesn’t get doubled off, but with Straw’s extra speed he probably doesn’t need to be as aggressive on the play, and obviously would be more likely to score on a single.

JustinMember since 2025
11 months ago

Gosh, following the playoffs day-by-day I had no idea Schneider actually bunted so many times. One of the underrated hallmarks of a great manager is possessing the fortitude to do nothing.

Glevin
11 months ago

Still baffled Jays put France on WS roster. They had Springer and Bo who were both essentially RH DH Davis Schneider already on bench as RH bat and they thought we need to add another RH bat that won’t play the field or run because he’s so slow? Who does have big splits anyways? If Jays take Loperfido, he’s much more versatile. Can play all three OF spots, is pretty fast so can pinch run (83rd % sprint speed I think). It was similar to adding Bruhl to roster in first round instead of a long reliever where they prioritized some extremely unlikely scenario over a dozen more likely ones.

cmlisawesomeMember since 2026
11 months ago

What could be easier to run than the BJs’ pitching? “Gee, which 4-ERA talent shall I put in right now??”
The scope of Schneider’s choices limited his idiocy

tbwhite67Member since 2020
11 months ago

Why didn’t he have Barger steal in the bottom of the 11th? You know the DP is a legitimate concern. Sure, Barger doesn’t steal often but he is 6 for 7 in the majors on steals, and do the Dodgers even make the throw and risk Guerrero going for home, or Smith making a bad throw that allows Guerrero to score? Sending Barger at least puts pressure on the Dodgers to do something, and if they chose not to do anything then the DP isn’t a worry anymore, and your are a single away from winning the World Series.