Potential Trade Partners: Angels and Brewers

The Milwaukee Brewers were perhaps a bit surprised last week when reliever Francisco Rodriguez accepted their arbitration offer, likely putting the team on the hook for something north of the $11.5 million Rodriguez made last season in the third year of a three-year contract he originally signed with the Mets.

While Brewer GM Doug Melvin has stated that the K-Rod situation doesn’t represent a miscalculation on the club’s part — and while the move hasn’t prevented the Brewers from signing shortstop Alex Gonzalez and third baseman Aramis Ramirez in the meantime — it’s also likely the case that Melvin et al. would prefer not to make a set-up man the team’s highest-paid player in 2012. With Zack Greinke due a (non-Rodriguez) team-high of $13.5 million in 2012, that’s a distinct possibility.

Nor is it as if the Brewers are without need: should Ryan Braun be forced to serve a 50-game suspension, the team will be in search of outfield options; however, as Jim Breen recently noted, some combination of Caleb Gindl and Logan Schafer might actually form a decent replacement. Plus, the Brewers have the luxury of having two serviceable center fielders on their roster in Carlos Gomez and Nyjer Morgan — and, of course, the imminent return of Braun.

More pressing for the Brewers is first base. As Dave Cameron and I discussed on Monday’s edition of the podcast, it would appear, at this point, as if Mat Gamel tops the depth chart at first right now. The 26-year-old Gamel has a career line of .222/.309/.374 (.330 BABIP), 82 wRC+, 0.0 WAR in 194 plate appearances across four seasons.

If Gamel hits anything close to his career numbers, first base will become a production vacuum for the Brewers. K-Rod is likely the answer to acquiring some talent — and could possibly help solve the first-base situation in 2013 and beyond, too.

As Paul Swydan wrote in the wake of the Albert Pujols deal — and as the OC Register’s Sam Miller reiterated on yesterday’s edition of the podcast — the Los Angeles Angels currently have a a glut of 1B/DH types in Bobby Abreu, Kendrys Morales, Pujols himself, and Mark Trumbo. If you take for granted that Mike Trout is one of the best players on the team, then the Angels also feature a glut of outfielders, creating even more potential spillover to the DH spot.

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It would appear, from each organization’s standpoint, that a swap of K-Rod plus about $10 million for Mark Trumbo would create a net gain for both clubs.

The Value for the Brewers
To understand the value of such a trade to the Brewers, we need to look both at the short- and long-term effects. For 2012, Trumbo’s value would be whatever he produces minus whatever Mat Gamel would have produced minus (again) how many fewer runs K-Rod’s replacement is worth than K-Rod himself.

There are obviously no hard figures for this, but if we assume that Trumbo is league average (so, 2.0 WAR) and assume (perhaps generously) that Gamel is a one-win player, then we get a net value of one win. Valuating Rodriguez is more difficult. He appears likely to be worth something like 1.0-1.5 wins above replacement. As for his replacement — that’s harder to know. For the purposes of this exercise, let’s say he’s actually replacement level. That would make the Trumbo acquisition worth about zero wins — but also for slightly less money than it would have required to retain K-Rod.

However, we must also consider that, as a cost-controlled asset, Trumbo’s value extends beyond 2012. Provided he’s a league-average player in 2013, he could be worth something like $10 or $11 million — or, say, a $10 million surplus. His first arbitration year isn’t until 2014, at which point his marginal value would decrease.

The Value for the Angels
Owing to the arrival of Pujols and the general glut of talent at first base and designated hitter, Trumbo has less value to the Angels than he does to other teams. While, as a second-year player, he’s due only the league minimum, his opportunity to realize his value is limited in Los Angeles by a lack of opportunity to play.

To calculate the value of K-Rod with the Angels, we consider whatever K-Rod would produce minus the pitcher whom he’s replacing in the bullpen minus Trumbo’s likely production as a part-time player. As above, we’ll assume actual replacement level for the pitcher whom K-Rod would replace. That gives the Angels a surplus of about 1.0-1.5 wins. Trumbo’s production, limited by playing time, would be only a fraction of that. And the Angels would be receiving K-Rod’s services for somewhere in the vicinity of $3 million — a net gain for them.

Caveats
There are some caveats here, obviously — most notably that Mark Trumbo might not be a league-average player. That he failed to clear a .300 OBP or a 5% walk rate in 2011 is a concern, of course. However, the power appears to be very real — and, at the major-league level, power goes some way to informing walk rate.

There’s also the possibility, of course, that the Angels decide Trumbo is valuable in a quasi-utility role, playing third sometimes, DH-ing sometimes — and just as a general insurance policy.





Carson Cistulli has published a book of aphorisms called Spirited Ejaculations of a New Enthusiast.

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Detroit Michael
14 years ago

While I understand that players with more power generally can increase their walk rates as pitchers shy away from giving them pitches in the middle of the strike zone if possible, I’d be skeptical about that applying to Trumbo in particular. At least one baseball researcher using Pitch F/X data calculates that Trumbo had easily the largest swing area of any 2011 MLB batter who say 1,000+ pitches: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/a-different-take-on-plate-discipline/

Robert Thacher
14 years ago

K-Rod is a valuble asset,now that he has shown an ablity to setup,as well as close. Frankie belongs with the Angels, who shouldn’t have let him go in the first place.That being said, the Brewers pen has already been hit by the defections of Saito and Hawkins,and will need K to help Jon Axford. With all the money saved by letting Prince go, they can afford the extra depth in the pen. The obvious position for Pujols would be 3B,allowing Trumbo and,if he ever is healthy again, Morales covering 1st.

Lbprguy
14 years ago

What about Vernon Wells and cash for Frankie, and Braun or Hart moving to first base?

Eminor3rd
14 years ago

And yet, they’ll have to pay it all to Wells anyway.

Bob
14 years ago
Reply to  Lbprguy

Ryan Braun is not moving to 1B in order to accommodate a Vernon Wells acquisition. lmao

Scooter
14 years ago
Reply to  Lbprguy

Vernon Wells!? You realize he makes like 25 million/year, is 33 years old and hit .218 last year, right?

Bob Loblaw
14 years ago

Carson – I have to be honest. When I saw your tweet, I just assumed this was a notgraphs post, and found this whole ordeal very nauseating and disappointing.

Yours in Cavigilia,

Bob

BJ
14 years ago

No way would I touch this deal. Basically one year of K-Rod for 5 years of Trumbo and the 2012 salaries are pretty much a wash?

This only makes sense if you project regression for Trumbo where he falls below the threshold for a starting ML player. As a bench/role player then sure the deal might make sense.

However, if Trumbo is slated to be a starting 1st baseman for the next 5 years (2 pre-arb and 3 arb) you are talking about a ton of surplus value for a free year of K-Rod (which is probably valued at $7m or so). That doesn’t sound all that fair.

A much more plausible scenario from the Angels perspective would be to move Abreu. Either as a straight salary dump (Angels eat $5m) or as part of the K-Rod deal. Abreu could fill in while Braun is suspended (he’s terrible with the glove but he would be replacing Braun) and I’m sure he could do OK at 1B if Gamel doesn’t pan out.

The fact is that the Angels really need to move TWO players from the pool of Trumbo / Abreu / Morales / Wells / Hunter / Trout. That’s 6 players for 3 positions (LF/RF/DH). Wells, Hunter, and Trout and probably not options. That leaves Morales, Trumbo and Abreu. Two need to go. Alternatively, you go trade Morales or Abreu and then one of Callaspo or Izturis if it turns out that Trumbo can play a passable 3rd base.

joser
14 years ago

Well, sure, they have a surplus — but no one is forcing them to trade only with the Brewers. There are other teams with equally awkward problems at other spots on their rosters, who may be willing to give up something with more value (especially post-2012 value) than K-Rod.

Nate
14 years ago
Reply to  BJ

I like this better, having Abreu and KRod in a trade. I’m not confident in Trumbo being a 6 year cost controlled player, in that, I doubt he’s over arb all 3 years. He’ll probably get too expensive, given that arb values his skill set (power/rbi) vs. his weaknesses (defense/ob%). Unless he improves (which I’m not confident given his plate displicine), he is a non-tender candidate.

Nate
14 years ago
Reply to  Nate

I’m laughing at my own grammar. over = offered

BJ
14 years ago
Reply to  Nate

It really all does come down to how you value Trumbo. As a rookie he produced decent numbers (sans his BB skills). Looking at different projections they are all baking in a modest level of improvement. Last year Trumbo was a 2.3 WAR player. Bill James is forecasting something closer to 2.5 – 2.7.

As for his value during his arb years – I don’t see an issue. While arbitration tends to highly favor HR power, it also does look at BA, OBP, and RBIs. Those are all categories that I don’t think Trumbo will excel in unless he becomes more of a complete player.

All in all you are looking at 2 WAR/season (at least) over the next 2 years while paying league minimum. That’s $20m in surplus value. If he were to follow a $4m/$6m/$8m arb schedule and still only produce 2 WAR/season that’s another $12m in surplus – bringing his total to $32m in positive value. Again, that assumes regression from his rookie season down to 2 WAR and keeps WAR valued at $5m.

Personally, as an Angels fan I would:

— Move Abreu (eating $5m of his salary)
— Play Trumbo at 3rd (assumes he isn’t a total butcher)
— Trade Callaspo (salary relief + return of prospects/bullpen arm)

IF Morales is healthy you start Trout in AAA. Morales is your DH, Wells is in LF. If Morales isn’t healthy then Trout is called up and starts in LF while Wells DH’s. Trumbo is manning 3rd and Izturis is your super utility/3rd baseman with Trumbo. That configuration provides the best offense for the team.

todmod
14 years ago
Reply to  Nate

I have no idea why people think Trumbo wouldn’t be a butcher at 3rd. He played at 1st all throughout the minors, when teams tend to stick players at the hardest position they can handle.

That is either a pipe dream solution to solve a logjam, or a nice experiment of how terrible a player can perform defensively at a position.

Robert Thacher
14 years ago
Reply to  BJ

I would hold on to Morales and Abreu . Bobby is still a valuble player. They need players that can get on base in front of Albert. You can’t give up on Morales yet. He was too good before the injury. If he comes back 100 percent,that would be quite a one two punch. Calaspo gets on base and should lead off with Abreu batting 2nd. Trumbo should have some options left. If so, there is no reason to trade him. If they could get K for Trumbo, do it. K will be of much more value this yr. . What a shame, now, that they let Napoli get away. With Albert aboard,it is critical that the Halos bring home a title or two during the first three years. If that happens, Albert will have been worth ever penny regardless of a future decline. Another option for a proven closer at a much cheaper cost would be Francisco Cordero.

DD
14 years ago

You Brewers fans are funny.

DD
14 years ago
Reply to  DD

Carson, why not trade for Morales?

B N
14 years ago
Reply to  DD

Yah, I’d have to think Morales or Abreu makes a lot more sense. In particular, Abreu could play OF if needed while Braun is out and slide over to 1B if Gamel sucks there (or just plain slide over once Braun is back). It could also be a decent time for a buy low on Morales, if they’re willing to keep him for another year or so.

I don’t see how it makes sense to have to go for the prospect-type in this sort of deal. If you’re the Brewers, don’t you want a more sure thing? You already have your scratch-ticket in hand with Gamel.

Nate
14 years ago

I don’t see Trumbo as an upgrade over Taylor Green and/or Matt Gamel. He probably has more power, but probably less on base ability. wOBA would probably be a wash.

Scottathan
14 years ago

Jerry Dipoto and Arte Moreno have been adamant about bringing in personnel with a positive influence in the clubhouse. You gotta figure the Angels clubhouse as constructed right now is the perfect environment for youngsters like Trumbo, Bourjos, Trout and Conger to be in because they have guys like Hunter, Wells, Hawkins and more to lead them in the right direction.

Speaking from a purely non-statistical standpoint, trading for K-Rod seems to be the opposite direction the Angels are striving for. Also, when you factor in Morales’ uncertainly, and Hunter’s exodus after this year and Trumbo’s versatility, there really isn’t a trade that’s needed. It will all clear itself up within a year anyway.

sausagemcbiscuit
14 years ago

Angels do need to trade somebody, but dear god PLEASE don’t get K-rod back. I saw his highwire act far too many times towards the tail end of his Angels career. I wish to not see it anymore

Robert Thacher
14 years ago

You can’t argue with his numbers. Some relievers make it interesting.

matt
14 years ago

Carson,

Your conclusions about Gamel seem to be based upon scattered big league playing time – most of which occurred in 2009. That seems like a rather narrow way to judge a player’s potential value. I’m not saying ignore it, but instead to also look at scouting reports, minor league production, and even MLE and predictive systems.

28 HR and a .310 average at AAA Nashville last year aren’t bad numbers. Yet those aren’t mentioned. Nor anything else. Just his numbers for 194 plate appearances over the past four years. Bill James predicts an .818 OPS for 2012. The Minor League Equivalency Calculator at http://mlsplits.drivelinebaseball.com/mlsplits/mlecalc converts Gamel’s 2011 numbers into .772 OPS with 22 HR.

Yet Gamel is listed as – ‘generously’ – a one win player in your book.

Perhaps you know something about Gamel that hasn’t been shared. Or you have scouting reports your basing your claim on. Or you feel there is data that supports your claims. I wish you would have taken the time to explain your assessment of Gamel other than just present one statistic (a valuable one, without question, but not the only one).

Finally, this trade ignores the Brewer lineup make up, which is already heavily right handed. If you lose Gamel and go with Trumbo, you only have one left handed regular – Nyjer Morgan. That doesn’t seem very wise.

Thank you.

Dustin
14 years ago

Why the hate for Mat Gamel? You are using a small sample for his MLB offensive numbers. His minor league numbers are great. Saying that he is probably worth less than 1 WAR is absurd.

Bob
14 years ago

Hahaha

Gamel is “generously” a 1 WAR player, but Trumbo and his sub-.300 OBP is automatically league average?

Please check their minor league numbers. This is a silly article.

Harv
14 years ago

Gamel can hit. He got a bad rap in the Brewers system because he crossed swords with Don Money, minor league manager in the Brewers system.

Hart has steadfastly rejected a move to first base.

Jimbo
14 years ago

I like Gamel and think it’s time he gets a chance. When talking about Gamel, this article focuses 194 sparadic plate appearances spread out over 4 seasons. Yes, he hasn’t hit well in the majors but he hasn’t seen any consistent playing time and has barely been given a chance at the MLB level. He’s been blocked by Prince Fielder, a couple good seasons from Casey McGehe, and two managers resistant to playing rookies. But over 4 seasons at AAA he has hit .304/.376/.498/.873. I think it’s time for Gamel to get a chance. Sure, if we can trade Trumbo for K-Rod I’d do that, but it doesn’t seem realistic at all, so I really hope we wouldn’t go after some aging Abreu to block young talent who deserves a shot.

Robert Thacher
14 years ago
Reply to  Jimbo

Angels fans need to think more about winning now,while Albert is still in his prime. Worry about low salaried players or prospects later.

Ender
14 years ago

Yeah I was going to add that I’m not convinced Trumbo would outproduce Gamel in the first place and I’d rather keep the LH player. The Brewers need the RP help too so while they are paying him too much it is probably better to just keep what they have.

Seaver
14 years ago

knowing KRod’s “me-first” ways from following the Mets pretty closely, I have a hard time seeing a repeat engagement with the Angels.

Craig
14 years ago

What are you people smoking? A trade for that me-first prima donna for a very young stud who just got his taste of the big leagues and carried the Angels to second place finish with his timely hitting and hardnose effort (playing almost a month on a stress factor) is the ultimate in stupidity! What could have been his numbers been if he was completely healthy!

Although, K-Rod as a setup man is better than K-Rod as a closer he is still an overpriced cancer! Let’s face it the Brewers management screwed up; because they thought they could get a high draft choice for him from some desperate team with more money than brains! It backfired, because he knew he could not get what he made on the open market what he will get in arbitration!

So you Brewers fans want to take a proven hitter in the big league that was second in the AL Rookie of year and probably should have won it (no pitcher who pitches every five days should every win it over a position player that lead his team with HR and RBI’s) for a man who is definitely on the downside of his career! Then you have the temerity to say that a kid (Gemel) who did nothing in the big leagues but has phenomenal stats in the minors is better than Trumbo all I can say is B**L Sh*t!

We Angels remember Brandon Wood! Great stats in the Minors and nothing at the big league level! Whose to say what kind of player this Gemel is but to say that he is better than Trumbo, one must ask again what are you smoking?????

Steve
14 years ago
Reply to  Craig

1. Gamel not Gemel
2. The Brewers can dump K Rod and owe him only 1/6th of his salary
(arbitration salaries are not guaranteed). So the Brewers “miscalculation” was actually risking $2mm to possibly get free draft picks.

Barbara Schriebman
14 years ago

Why would the Angels make this deal? Trumbo may well learn to walk. On a team of expensive players, he is one of the few who “came up for the money.” I would, “perhaps” “very” reluctantly trade him for some young inexpensive sure thing, if Kendrys can play (timing off?)and, if he can’t play third(not Bourjos). Personally, I would rather have a young starter or, third baseman and look elsewhere for relief. It seems to me, that deals to Cleveland or Brewers benefit them and not the Angels.