Preparing for the George Springer Experiment
The Houston Astros have done some unspeakable things to their fans. The primary defense for watching bad baseball is that bad baseball is better than no baseball, but at times the Astros have caused people to question whether what they’re watching is even baseball at all, or some kind of deliberately unwatchable performance art. The good news is that there’s good news. Psychologically, this experience has made Astros fans stronger, more tolerant of adversity and less prone to hysterics. And on the field, the Astros as a ballclub are making forward progress. They’re still not good, but they’re getting closer to good, and they shouldn’t be as dreadful as they have been for a long long time. With a wave of young talent on the way, Astros fans can begin to envision a most majestic, formidable crest.
Among the brightest of potential stars is 24-year-old George Springer. The former first-round pick ought to debut somewhere in 2014, and Springer is nearly the perfect prospect. He has plenty of power, as evidenced by last year’s 37 home runs. He has plenty of discipline, as evidenced by last year’s 83 walks. He has plenty of speed, as evidenced by last year’s 45 stolen bases. Defensively, he’s a center fielder who could stick there. He has range and he has an arm, and though he’s not unusually young for his level, he’s right on track to be a core asset. There’s just one thing that Springer is missing, and he’s missing it in spades.
If you know prospects, even at all, you know about Springer’s strikeouts. This isn’t a new subject, and I’m interested, and I’m not even a prospect guy. Keith Law recently ranked Springer as his No. 19 prospect, and he described the outfielder as a possible “mold-breaker”. This is because, in a way, Springer’s trying to blaze his own path, following only the faintest of footprints. The question with prospects is always: how good can they be? It’s never easy, but answering the question for Springer is uniquely challenging.
Springer really came on last season, splitting time between Double-A and Triple-A. Overall, he posted a four-digit OPS, which is extraordinary. His contact problems haven’t hurt him yet. But those same contact problems make him particularly mysterious. Minor League Central has pitch data for last year’s Southern and Texas Leagues. In those leagues, 169 players batted at least 250 times. Springer ranked 162nd in contact rate, at 65.5%. Meanwhile, 301 players batted at least 250 times in Triple-A. Springer ranked 299th in contact rate, at 65.0%. He was sandwiched between Kyle Skipworth and Cody Decker. Just to drive the point home, that’s third-to-last. In contact rate, top prospect George Springer ranked third-to-last, in the company, mostly, of non-prospects.
If you want, you could try to be encouraged that Springer made more contact in Triple-A as he went along. But all the data counts, and there’s a theory that later in the season, there’s not a lot of pitching talent left in Triple-A, due to promotions and whatnot. It’s not a secret that George Springer swings through a lot of pitches, and he presumably always will.
Now, it’s important to understand that Springer isn’t hyper-aggressive. He doesn’t take himself way out of the strike zone, like a Carlos Peguero or a Randy Ruiz. He posts reasonable swing rates, showing a good idea of the zone, and this allows him to be a better prospect with better odds. It’s not that he misses a bunch of unhittable pitches. He actually misses more hittable pitches.
In short, we have a guy who:
- doesn’t swing too much
- but does swing and miss an awful lot
If Springer increases his contact, obviously, that starts to fill his only remaining skillset hole, and he’d be well on his way to being a superstar. But what if he stays this prone to swinging and missing? What might we have in terms of recent big-league precedent?
As you know, FanGraphs has some plate-discipline data going back to 2002. I decided to cover the 2002-2013 window, looking for guys with both a swing rate no higher than 50% and a contact rate no higher than 70%. I was left with 55 players who batted in the majors at least 100 times, excluding pitchers, who are terrible. Of these players, 25 have batted at least 500 times, and 15 have batted at least 1,000 times. Of those 15, 12 have posted a triple-digit wRC+, which makes sense, given that bad players generally won’t be allowed to accrue that much playing time.
All these players were selected for being big-league capable. Or, at least, that was the thought. Presumably, they were promoted despite their contact issues, the thought being they could still be successful. The best hitter in the group is Jim Thome, yet he posted a contact rate of 70%. Next on the list is Giancarlo Stanton, at 68%. Then there’s Ryan Howard, and then Jack Cust, and they’re both at 67%. Richie Sexson‘s at 70%. Sammy Sosa’s at 68%. Springer is coming off a full-year contact rate just over 65%, and he did that between two levels in the minors.
The pickings are slimmer as you look for lower big-league contact rates. Russell Branyan managed a 113 wRC+ with a contact rate of 63%. We find Mark Reynolds at 108 and 65%. Kelly Shoppach’s at 96 and 64%. Some hope could be found in potential Springer teammate Chris Carter — Carter, so far, has posted a 109 wRC+ with a 65% contact rate. Yet Carter made more contact in the high minors than Springer has. Not by a ton, and we shouldn’t make too much of little differences, but it has to be emphasized that Springer is statistically extreme in several ways.
You can see some slight parallels between Springer and Justin Maxwell. Maxwell was never considered a true top prospect, but he’s a strikeout-prone, athletic center fielder with an above-average big-league batting line. He’s walked a tenth of the time, he’s struck out three-tenths of the time, he’s hit for power, and he’s been good in the field. Maybe Maxwell is a slightly pessimistic comp, a 40th-percentile comp, so to speak. He’s also been worth 4.5 WAR over 874 plate appearances, or 3.1 per 600. It can work, but again, Maxwell’s made slightly more contact in the majors than Springer has made so far in the high minors.
This is why Springer is so fascinating. It’s not just that he swings and misses a lot — it’s that he swings and misses so much, and he hasn’t even reached the majors yet. It’s hard to compare him to anyone else, because whatever someone else might have, Springer turns it up to 11. So when he does get the call, it’ll be interesting to monitor how he adjusts, and how pitchers adjust back. If Springer makes less contact, he’ll be hard-pressed to be a major contributor. If he makes the same contact, that’ll come with plenty of other skills. If he increases his contact, the sky’s the limit.
Don’t listen to anyone who might suggest the contact struggles are a deal-breaker. A guy with contact problems just has to make up for them in other ways, and Springer has plenty of ways. Almost all of the ways. Speed, base-running, power, defense, whatever you want. Outside of the contact, Springer’s amazing. If you’re forced to start with issues hitting the ball, you couldn’t ask for a better prospect despite that than George Springer. Yet because of the extremity, he still feels kind of experimental. The lab is just about entirely set up. In eager anticipation, we await the results.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
As to age, bear in mind that Springer is from Connecticut and went to college there (UConn, in fact), so may be a bit less advanced than a comparable 24-year-old from a warm-weather state.
By the way … sounds a little like Bobby Bonds.
here is a link to the worst contact hitters from 2013:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=5&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=8,a
Some decent hitters there, but Springer will have to increase his contact rate a bit.
PECOTA puts his comps on a scary level. Mike Olt. Joe Benson. Nolan Reimold.
I’d put Springer in having eternal 2010 Matt Kemp type seasons. 28 HR/19 SB guy with a .250 AVG. He is a guy who gaudy numbers and fantasy value will mask his underlying problems
The Bobby Bonds comp has merit. The only reason BB didn’t play CF when he came up was the Giants had this other guy who was pretty good out there.
I’ll admit to having to look this up. Barry Bonds was a center fielder in his rookie year, but got shifted over after that.
Andy Van Slyke.
giants, mays.
He said Bobby Bonds, not Barry, and presumably meant Willie Mays kept him from becoming the everyday CF (although he still did apparently start a bunch of games at CF).
Ah jeez I should have caught that. The Van Slyke thing made just enough sense to me for me to not question it.
This had me looking at bbref and those Giants teams. I discovered that the ’68 team had some really big names on it (obviously), and learned that this player actually
existed http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibe01.shtml
There is a great story about Hank Aaron being signed out of the Negro leagues and him having two contracts in front of him. The difference between them was $50. For $50 more the Giants could have had Aaron, Mays, and Bonds …
@Steve: Can do you a hair better than that. If the Red Sox didn’t have the unrepentant Yawkee at the top, they could have had an outfield of Williams, Mays (1949 tryout), and Robinson (1945 tryout).
It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that half of the Red Sox “curse” was actually the result of some tremendous racism extending down from ownership down into the GM’s and other staff. The Red Sox fielded basically one competitive team from when the MLB integrated until the year that Yawkee died (a period of 25 years, in a big market).
Willie Mays >> Andy Van Slyke
Bonds is a good comp, but I really like ZIPS comp with Mike Cameron.
If Springer ends up half as good as either of them, not bad for the Astros.
My new fantasy team would be happy w/ either. 😉
I think Mike Cameron is the best case scenario, personally.
But, let’s be real, if Byron Buxton ends up having Mike Cameron’s career, that would be good for the Twins. Cameron had 50 fWAR over his career, and four seasons of at least 5 fWAR. That’s a very good player.
Oh, no doubt. I don’t think Springer will be close to Cameron, personally. I don’t trust hi-K guys.
I think Springer’s ceiling is somewhere between Carlos Gomez and Chris Davis; both of whom are high-K guys. Does that make the comparisons more justifiable?
“majestic, formidable crest.” Yum.
All I know is Springer was by far the best player at the Texas League all star game last year. He looked like a man among boys.
Your opening paragraphs had me thinking of Grady Sizemore for some reason.
Whoa, the dude from Mullet Talk reads fangraphs?!?!
“The former first-round pick ought to debut somewhere in 2014..”
Shouldn’t this be “sometime” in 2014? The fact that he’ll be somewhere is a given.
good job nitpicking something that isn’t technically incorrect. keep on keepin’ on.
You stopped reading too soon. If you had, you would have noted that it said the following:
“The former first-round pick ought to debut somewhere in 2014… provided he is not disintegrated, disapparated, or otherwise exiled from the known universe.”
An even larger red flag to me is Springer’s Z-contact rates. A 70% contact rate on pitches swung at in the zone in the minors? That’s pretty horrific. Even the most prolific 3-true-outcome types have Z-contact% between 75-80% and that’s against major league pitching. Maybe Springer is some Zen master at the art of fouling off pitches?
I can’t wait to see him in the majors. The differences between his results and his underlying peripherals are just amazing. Interesting article, thanks!
And the huge reason for pessimism is that several analyses posted on FanGraphs have shown Z-contact% to be one of the most stable metrics we have. If a guy doesn’t hit pitches in the zone right now, odds are he never will. Even Drew Stubbs had significantly better contact rates than this. The only way I can see Springer succeeding as a regular is if his Z-Swing% is very high and his O-Swing% is very low.
To me a low Z-contact% like that has to point to a glaring hole in his plate coverage. Given his prolific numbers he likely mashes anything on the outer half since that’s where pitchers throw strikes most frequently. I’m guessing he’s got a big problem with either inner half strikes or off speed strikes. Either way, with the scouting done at the ML level, it won’t be long before it’s exposed.
Springer’s babip in the minors has been ridiculous. So when he does make contact, he means it. The Cameron comparison does seem to make the most sense though, although it will be tough for Springer to be as good defensively.
Except Cameron had a contact rate consistently in the mid-70s and z-contact consistently in the low-80s. We tend to think of high strikeout major leaguers as having a poor contact rate, and they do compared to their peers, but they’re much better than poor contact minor leaguers. That makes sense given that you generally need to demonstrate a certain level in order to reach and then stay in the major leagues.
Jeff brought up Justin Maxwell and there are some similarities, but Maxwell had dramatically better z-contact rates in the minor leagues. His problem is swinging frequently at pitches out of the zone. Springer is the opposite case where he has a very good eye that makes him one of the better prospects around in not swinging at pitches outside the zone, but is incredibly bad at making contact on pitches inside it. And as I noted, unfortunately we have a lot of evidence that z-contact% is a much more stable metric than o-swing%. Essentially, you can sometimes teach a better to stop swinging at balls but it’s extraordinarily hard to help them contact strikes more often.
That’s not to say that Springer is a lost cause because, as Sullivan correctly notes, George does provide value from his speed, defense, walks, as well as power on the occasions when he makes contact. Unfortunately the contact issue hasn’t historically been something players correct over time, and if that remains true, then Springer has a very limited ceiling.
Reminds me of an athletic, good fielding version of Adam Dunn. Mad power, above average walk rates, strikes out a lot, but doesn’t swing at terrible pitches. I have him stashed in all 3 of my fantasy teams, the upside is too big to ignore.
“He reminds me of something that has never existed.”
Oliver is projecting a 40% k-rate!…with a 4.4 WAR season. Lends creedence to your article.
One word of caution: the contact rates and zone contact percentages reported for the minor league level are not necessarily as accurate as the data at the major league level. The data isn’t based on pitch f/x but is reliant on minor league stringers, whom may vary in their accuracy.
I’ll admit that I look at minor league central’s batted ball and swing data from time to time, but I also realize that it may not be as accurate as I would like. I don’t doubt that Springer has a bad contact rate in the minors, but I would be hesitant to reach conclusions about comparing players based on 1 or 2 percentage point differences.
Trying to figure out how ML Central calculates its contact stats. I’ve run into problems using their data before.
Take Springer in 2013:
2,418 pitches in 2013. (given)
BIP = 385 (given)
Foul = 335 (given)
385+335=720 contacts (calc)
Swing% = .426 (given)
2,418 * .426 = 1,030 swings (calc)
720 contacts / 1,030 swings = .699 = 69.9% Contact Rate.
Minor League Central reports a 65.2% contact rate for Springer in 2013
I’m not even sure if “BIP” includes Home Runs. The glossary doesn’t specify. If it does not include Home Runs, then his contact rate is actually 73.4%.
Obviously, if Springer has a 70% contact rate or even a 73% rate, it totally changes this article….
If somebody wants to clarify that, it’d be great.
You took his career BIP total (385) from Minor League Central (no Lancaster or Tri-City data), and not his 2013 total (337).
337+335=672 contacts
672/1030=65.2%
Just realized that that comment is from FEBRUARY 8th and not March, but whatever.
I have heard the comparison with Chris Young thrown out there.
Also how would the road parks in his division effect potential power performance? I know Oakland, Anahiem, and Seatle are all pretty extreme pitcher parks (obviously Texas is not lol).
Minute Maid Park, which would be Springer’s home park, is also very friendly for HR hitters.
For what it’s worth…
ZIPS projection for Springer in 2013:
3.3 WAR 107 OPS+ 10% BB 31% K
.202 ISO .335 wOBA 26 HRs
ZIPS lists Mike Cameron as the No. 2 comparable.
If the voters can look past a .235 batting average per ZIPS, that could be good enough for rookie of the year.
That should read “No. 1 comparable” for Cameron.
If he’s Adam Dunn or Mark Reynolds in the batter box he will be fine if his glove and base running stats play up which it sounds like they may. It will help if he can bring those 80 walks and a 350 Babip with him. If he’s a plus corner defense guy with a 340 wOBA that would be just peachy for the Astros.
Pospects….ya nevah Know.
My comps for Springer:
-Obscenely wealthy man’s Michael Saunders
-Absolutely destitute man’s Grady Sizemore
Relieved I didnt draft him in my offseason keeper now!