Q&A: What the Heck Did the Angels (and Some Other Teams) Just Do?

By now, you’ve probably seen that the Angels put what we in the business call “Darn Near a Whole Roster Of Players” on waivers. Per ESPN’s Jeff Passan, Lucas Giolito, Matt Moore, Reynaldo López, Hunter Renfroe and Randal Grichuk are all free for the salary relief taking; USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports that Dominic Leone is on waivers as well. Meanwhile, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that Harrison Bader, Carlos Carrasco, Mike Clevinger and José Cisnero have also been placed on waivers by their respective clubs. What does this mean for those players? What about the teams waiving or claiming them? What about you, the reader? Let’s dive in to some of the common questions I’ve seen since the news broke.
Q: What does “being placed on waivers” even mean anyway?
In the context of post-trade deadline transactions, being placed on waivers is similar to the waiver action that occurs when a player is designated for assignment. However, since the trade deadline has passed, the option to trade a player who has been placed on waivers is gone. The only option for a claiming team is to claim the player straight-up, paying all of his remaining salary for the rest of the season.
Q: Ok, so how does this work in practice?
Teams will simultaneously submit claims for whichever player(s) they’d like to add to their roster, and the claim will be awarded to the worst team by 2023 winning percentage. In the event of a tie, the claim will go to the team in the same league (AL or NL) as the team waiving the player. In the event both teams are from the same league, the claim will go to the team with the worse record last season.
Q: Why is all this happening right now?
Players are only eligible for postseason play if they’re on a team’s 40-man roster prior to September 1; players in a team’s organization by September 1 but not on the 40-man can be added to the postseason roster if they’re replacing someone on the injured list. Placing Giolito et al. on waivers now allows the requisite 48 hours for claims to be made prior to the end of the day on August 31. As such, these teams waited as long as reasonably possible to place players on waivers, knowing that their new clubs would surely want them to be eligible for postseason play.
Q: How much in salary will the claiming team have to cover?
There are 186 days in the major league season this year; there will be 31 remaining when these players are claimed Thursday, the day it’s been reported the claims will go through. As such, a player’s new team will be paying exactly one-sixth of his full-season salary.
Q: Can a team claim multiple players?
Yes! A team can submit claims for any and all players on waivers, but there’s no turning back. If, for example, the Yankees want to claim everyone on waivers to block the Red Sox from claiming anyone, that’s their prerogative. However, unlike under prior CBAs, waivers are not revocable on either side of the transaction. In this scenario, the Yankees would then be on the hook for all of the money owed to all the players, and they would have to make room on their 40-man roster accordingly. Teams are forbidden from making claims for the express purpose of blocking other teams from making a claim, so the Yankees could not immediately designate a claimed player for assignment to keep them from the Red Sox with no intent to roster him themselves.
Q: What if a player goes unclaimed?
While this process is generally similar to what happens after a DFA, the outcome if a player goes unclaimed is decidedly different. If none of the other 29 teams bite on a player, he simply remains with his current team. He can’t be placed on waivers again, but he can be DFA’d and go through that waiver process. At that point, however, it would be too late for postseason eligibility.
Q: Can the Angels change their mind if a player is claimed?
No! Again, there’s no turning back. This is not like the old August 31 waiver deadline where a player could be placed on waivers and then pulled off if the claiming team had no intent to work out a deal.
Q: So what’s the incentive for a team to just let players go without getting another player in return?
There’s only a couple reasons to do this, and I won’t opine on their validity: one is money, and the other is giving other players a chance. The former is especially pertinent for the Angels, who we have exceeding the $233 million luxury tax by what basically amounts to a rounding error of a little under $1.5 million. There will surely be enough of these players claimed to take them under that mark — the group as a whole is due about $6.44 million for the rest of the year, but Giolito alone would do it. Being under the luxury tax threshold eliminates all associated penalties, meaning the 2024 compensation pick they’ll receive if Shohei Ohtani signs elsewhere would come after the second round of the draft, rather than coming after the fourth round as it would if they were a luxury tax payor.
Giving other players a chance is the baseball argument, and the one we’re far likelier to hear expressed publicly in the aftermath of all this. In placing Bader on waivers, the Yankees are perhaps signaling they’d like to look at Jasson Domínguez; the Angels would be giving run to a lesser-ranked prospect like Jordyn Adams or Kyren Paris, to name a couple of potential examples.
Ben Clemens wrote more about this situation, including its potential playoff implications, here. If you’re interested in reading more about the waiver process, you can do so here, in the section on Rule 8 – Major League Waivers. And if you have other questions on how the mechanics of waivers work, or on the payroll implications here, feel free to drop them in the comments!
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How does the player claim ordering work? I assume players are claimed one at a times? So if a team claims one player, they go to the back of the line for the next? Does a team submit a waiver priority and MLB works through the ordering? How many days after a player is placed on waivers must the claim be placed? Where are the rules for the waivers procedures at if we wanted to read them for ourselves?
Players are claimed simultaneously, so a team submits a claim on however many players it wants, and may just luck into all of them—they don’t go to the back of the line. The team has 48 hours to claim, which is why it’s done today in time for playoff eligibility.
so is this wrong?
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/outright-waivers
“If a club has already previously claimed a player on outright waivers in a given year, the club’s claiming priority will be moved to last among the 30 clubs.”
It’s not “a player” as in “any player” it’s “a player” as in “a specific player,” i.e. a team gets moved to back of the line for John Doe if they had previously claimed him on waivers this season, but they would remain in the usual spot when claiming Joe Schmo.
so if that sentence were more clear, it would state: “If a club has already previously claimed a player on outright waivers in a given year, the club’s claiming priority will be moved to last among the 30 clubs if that player comes on waivers again that season.”
Exactly!
And as we all know, Joe Schmo is a much better player than John Doe.
But they both pale in comparison to John Dowd
I Dowd that
Do players on waivers have a right to refuse to move to a team that claims them?
Nope!
What if they have no-trade protection?
This isn’t a trade, now, is it?
I would guess more likely that if a player has an NTC, or 10/5 rights, he likely can’t be placed on waivers. Or, if they can be placed on waivers, the player can simply refuse to go to that team, but he’d then be a free agent and then the team that put him on waivers has to pay his full salary. For example, I doubt Mike Trout could be put on waivers, and then he’d be forced to move to a new team, overriding his NTC.
…although further reading seems to indicate this is not the case. I’m surprised the PA hasn’t tried to address this.
There actually is a rule that a player who has no-trade protection has to consent to a waiver placement.
Actually, I think they do. I also think if the players clear they become FA (rather than remaining with their team).
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/release-waivers
Unless this is outright waivers, but I don’t think it is?
https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/outright-waivers
There is a very very very buried part of the rules (not found in MLB’s glossary but rather the rules that I linked to at the bottom of the article) that says that a player with 5 years of service or more, upon clearing waivers may “(i) consent to the assignment, (ii) refuse the assignment or (iii) elect to become a
free agent.” I suppose these players could go with (iii) but they would then forfeit the rest of their pay so nobody ever does it
So, it is largely a mute point as players with fewer than five years service time (and especially fewer than three years) basically never get no-trade protection in contracts they sign, but I still wonder if you could negotiate a “no-trade” clause that also allows you to reject waiver claims without penalty?
That Giolito/Lopez trade looks worse and worse. Angels gave up a 40 and 50 grade prospect for two guys that they’re releasing one month later. At least Lopez pitched well for them…Giolito was a complete disaster.
I don’t know what you were expecting. Everyone knew that those trades were desperate, and that the Angels had low odds of making the playoffs with or without them. I would still rather see a team go for it in what might be their last season of Ohtani.
I wasn’t expecting it to put them in the playoffs, and I was somewhat confident about this. But it’s very different to say “there’s an 80% chance this fails” at the time of the trade and saying “we now know that what they did one month ago was a failure.” It obviously is worse now that it’s written in ink instead of predicted in pencil.
I can understand why fans of the Angels would disagree
Yet another example of poor ownership/management from the Angels franchise. Feel bad for Angels fans as there’s no light at the end of this tunnel.
Well sure it turned out very badly but it might not have. A 40 and 50 isn’t likely to be a big deal. If the White Sox get 10 career WAR of of them combined it will be a great outcome for them
I wonder about the rationale of giving priority to the lowest-win teams. In theory this is supposed to give, say, the Twins an opportunity to bolster their roster before the Astros can. But what are the chances any of these guys are claimed both by a wild card contender and a basement dweller? Surely these guys who are mostly older would prefer to play for a chance to win? Maybe weaker teams give these guys a chance for more playing time to boost their value for 2024?
Unless a team actually dumps someone who is not an upcoming free agent (and also not a bad contract that no one would want to claim anyway), the chances of that happening are very low. A basement dweller has no interest in paying extra money to pick up a player for the remainder of a lost season.
Unless there was trickery. The Rangers could pay the A’s to claim Lopez so the Blue Jays don’t get him using a bogus trade of non prospects
Or the Rangers knew this was coming and lost as much as they could to be ahead of Houston and Seattle.
Obviously that didn’t happen, but if something like that were to occur, file it under “cut off nose to spite face”
There’s language in the rules that basically say “don’t try to game the system in brutally obvious ways, or the Commish will come get you”. I mean, YMMV, but it at least was considered during drafting of the rule set.
I think there is a third reason you will hear clubs give for placing these guys on waivers — giving them a chance to compete in meaningful September games and likely the playoffs. I wouldn’t really buy it, but think they might say it.
And/or they’ll talk up some of the AAA guys they plan on calling up once the MLBers get claimed.
Wait, so the one sixth of year’s salary that the team picking up the player has to pay, is that one sixth of league minimum or one sixth of the player’s full salary?
Full salary. Hence the Giolito example.
Thanks
Kinda ironic that something as small as signing Brett Phillips as a FA for 1.2mil winds up being the difference in possibly going over the luxury tax and causing all this commotion. It was played off as a “nothing to lose” move. Or David Fletcher who’s 5.2 million, maybe he can get a little satisfaction for sticking it to the team.
The idea for the Angels is that getting under the luxury tax this season resets their clock. They don’t care about the draft pick, they want to do whatever they can to re-sign Ohtani.
By getting rid of these players, they will pay 20% on every dollar over the tax in 2024, 30% on every dollar over the tax in 2025, and 50% on every dollar over the tax in 2026. Not waiving these players would bump all those penalties forward a year.
This gives them their best chance of retaining Ohtani because it substantially reduces the tax they will pay if they sign him to a $50+ million per season contract with an opt-out after 2025.
Well, the better draft pick is also important as a backup plan, but I agree with your point.
Not really. There is a bigger difference in value between the end of the first and the end of the second round than between the end of the second and the end of the fourth.
I see no way possible Ohtani signs with the Angels. Why would he?
I mean, if they back up the Brinks truck and totally blow every other offer out of the water, perhaps. An extra $100,000,000 combined with a city and team he knows and is comfortable with* might do the trick.
*Notice I didn’t they were good, mind you; I just said he’s already familiar with them, for better or (usually) worse.
It would probably take something like that but his history is to prioritize playing both ways and winning over money
Shucks, if he prioritized winning over money he would never have stepped foot in Anaheim except when his more successful franchise visited 🙂
If he prioritizes the control the Angels give him, that could be the thing no one else offers. Everything since the injury has made it clear that he is calling all the shots relating to his use and medical stuff. With the Angels he will still get that, with another team, he doesn’t have those assurances.
Sounds to me like Ohtani’s reluctance to work with/share info the Angels – like doing imaging on his arm a month ago – speaks to a lack of respect for the organization and is cementing his imminent departure.
Why did he go there in the first place? He clearly wasn’t concerned about winning
He didn’t research which teams were good
West Coast, team that the ability to DH him, Seattle was apparently uninterested in letting him try to hit and pitch. Some teams thought he wouldn’t succeed as a pitcher or a hitter, so didn’t even jump in.
At the time Seattle still had Nelson Cruz at DH, and he was awesome. They did need pitching, but probably weren’t willing to trade Cruz to accommodate the rookie Ohtani while they were pseudo contending. Now, however, they have a hole at DH and would love another elite arm to plug into their rotation a couple of years from now when he’s healthy.
Yeah, I couldn’t remember the specifics, and didn’t want to spend too much of my work time (shhh) looking them up. Thanks for filling in some blanks.
Except Ohatni wants to win… Why would anyone sign with the Angels after these ridiculous moves?
The old system was fun, when you’d randomly see expensive big-name vets moving around during the dog days of August, when writers didn’t have much to talk about. It’s a ways back, but I specifically remember the press going into ecstasies when the surprise Padres of 1998 traded for Randy Myers in August and how that gave them another stud closer alongside Trevor Hoffman, ignoring the fact that Myers was done.
In the non washed-up division, there was Canseco from the A’s to the Rangers in 1992 (Canseco was also a straight up August waiver claim by the Yankees in 2000), Cone to the Blue Jays in 1992, and the Red Sox-Dodgers mega dump deal in 2012. Along with a million B-level vets over the years.
Let’s not forget the mesmerizing claim of Alex Rios by the Sox in 2009.
Or the Justin Verlander deal!
Ah yes, good one. Most of the notable waiver deals involved vets with warts to one degree or another – Verlander was having a down year in 2017 by his standards, but turned out to be most assuredly not done.
Cleveland getting Jay Bruce was one of the last waiver trades, and all of us fans loved it at the time. Less once they let him walk back to the Mets for nothing, but eh.
Is he still ambulatory?
They might pick him up if he’s available. 😵
More likely, the team that traded a living breathing SS for Syndergard might take a flyer on Giolito. Need innings, even bad ones. After today’s game they are almost in range of the Twins. Giolito might help them avoid backing into the playoffs.
The rulebook you linked at the end for further reading is the 2021 version. Is there a version from 2022-23 that includes any changes from the current CBA?
I haven’t been able to find anything newer, but I asked around and was told there aren’t any meaningful differences, if any, since that was published
At least for the section relevant to this topic. But I’d love to see the version with updates detailing the draft lottery, et al.
I could’ve seen the Cardinals doing this with Drew Ver Hagen…except they’re already scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to fill out their bullpen for the rest of the season, and Ver Hagen is sadly one of the better relievers they still have left. He’s worth keeping on the roster just to keep from needing to devote yet another roster spot to hurting the development of their AAA relievers that keep getting bounced back and forth and getting shelled whenever they make an appearance for the Major League club (or Pallante, who should be back in AAA if he were on almost any other team).
At least Helsley and Woodford are returning from the IL soon (not that the latter is much of an improvement), but one of the expanded roster spots will certainly be used for an extra reliever, anyway.
What system do they use to check who’s on waivers and how do they actually claim them?
Bulletin board outside the principal’s office
Who’s available: if I had to guess, some sort of MLB front offices only web portal run by the league.
Submitting claims: if MLB has advanced beyond the healthcare industry, online. If not, fax all the way!
The rules linked in the article say that a “transaction bulletin” is sent out when a player (or players) are waived and that claims must be submitted in writing (aka fax) or “approved electronic means”. The same is true of the initial waiver notification.
Notably, it explicitly says you can’t call the league office and tell them that way (for a waiver request or a claim); I assume that’s for legal documentation reasons.
It doesn’t feel right that the Angels get out of their luxury tax conundrum by waiving their team after falling out of contention. First, it defeats the main purpose of discouraging teams from spending on players in the first place (I disagree with that purpose, but that’s clearly what it’s for). Second, it potentially destabilizes pennant races, which is bad for baseball. Rewarding teams dramatically for this year’s playoff race, because they are a game worse through an arbitrary date in August? Chaos.
I think we will see a rule change to address this during this winter. MLB has been steadfast at blocking ways to manipulate the rules when teams have tried to go against the spirit of the CBA.
Chaos is good. Kaos is an international organization of evil. As Kate, now Kae Tempest said “Let there be Chaos”!
Eh, I think it’s cool that fringe teams with starters on the IL can improve on the margins. It’s not like any of these guys are going to flip division races or anything. But I do agree about manipulating payroll though.
Let’s see where these players go before making that statement…
I do think this is very much an outlier case.
It’s basically a perfect storm:
Can I see more teams doing this in the future on the small scale (Yankees with Bader, Detroit with Cisneros, etc.)? Absolutely. Do I think we’ll see this kind of massive dump again? Probably, but it certainly won’t be an every year sort of thing, in my opinion.
I wouldn’t be shocked if there were some “clarifications” to various transaction rules to discourage this practice — for example, there’s already a provision in the rules that states the maximum number of players you can waive per day — but I don’t think it is so catastrophic to the “integrity of the game” that it would be seen as an emergency.
Can players with “no trade” provisions in their contracts be “placed on waivers” like this and be chosen by another team with or without their consent?
I’m thinking about guys like Giancarlo Stanton.
Also presumably the claiming team is responsible for the contract of any claimed player in future years, right?
Yes, which is why it’s (almost?) entirely dudes whose contracts are expiring.
Seems like players with “no trade” provisions in their contracts would have or should have a say since they’d be traded by their current teams in this scenario, albeit for nothing more than salary relief in return.
I see that my question was answered above. Thanks all!
Players with big contracts *used* to be placed on waivers, daring somebody to take them. If claimed they were often pulled back because the teams couldn’t agree on a trade. Usually on purpose because the claim was to keep a competitor from taking them.
One legendary case, though, the waiving team just said “He’s all yours.” And laughed all the way to the bank.
If the Padres have already submitted a waiver claim, can they retract before the deadline?
I assume teams just wait until the final few hours, but as the Padres have just been walked off, dropping them to 10 games below .500, do their owners really want to take on extra payroll, which is already over the luxury tax threshold, when their playoff odds are rapidly tending to 0?
No. Once you make the claim, it’s final. Also, these aren’t revocable waivers (which no longer exist); if any team claims the player, his contract is transferred once the waiver period expires.