Rays Go Full Rays, Trade Austin Meadows to Tigers for Future Considerations
In a normal baseball offseason, all the trades would have already happened. Front offices have all season to call each other up with a million permutations of deals, and the deals they make spawn other deals, and player injuries spawn other deals, and free-agent signings lead to surpluses or needs, and… well, you get the idea. Trading flurries happen in December, and during spring training, and teams work out their rosters that way.
With a compressed offseason thanks to the lockout, the timeline has gotten all mixed up. Now, trades are happening three days before opening day. It’s madness! And speaking of:
Tigers Get
Rays Get
- Isaac Paredes
- Competitive Balance Round B Pick
This trade was announced last night, and I’m writing about it this morning, and so rather than write a block of text about one side’s return and then a block of text about the other, I’m going to try a slightly different framing tool: I’ll walk you through a few levels of how I’ve thought about this deal. It’s an interesting one, no doubt, as trades involving the Rays so often are. Let’s get started!
Level One: The All-Star Store
Wait, the Rays are just handing out All-Stars? You can just give them draft picks and minor leaguers and they’ll send you honest-to-god All-Stars? The Tigers should do this trade every day of the week, twice on Sunday, and then once more to ensure a full nine-Meadows lineup.
Do you know who the Tigers were planning on giving plate appearances to before they acquired Meadows? I’m not sure the Tigers do, because the situation on the ground changed seismically in the last week. This trade didn’t happen last Friday, because last Thursday the plan was to play Akil Baddoo in left field and hand center to top prospect Riley Greene. Greene is a dynamo, someone we project to be a star right away, but he fouled a ball off of himself in a game last Friday and fractured his foot. He’ll be out for six to eight weeks and require a rehab assignment when he returns.
Good news! Baddoo can play center. Bad news! That meant Derek Hill and catcher Eric Haase would be handling left. Worse news! Hill is also injured. Would you rather play a backup catcher or Meadows in left field? It’s not rocket science, with all due respect to Haase. Seriously, ask Eric Haase; he’d probably tell you to play Meadows.
To upgrade left field from replacementville to Meadows, the Tigers gave up a middling draft pick and a prospect they seem to have lost faith in. Paredes continues to do nothing but get on base in the minors; he compiled an aggregate .260/.394/.450 line mainly in Triple-A last year. He’s been lackluster in 172 career major league plate appearances, though, and some scouts wonder if he has an everyday defensive home. Projection systems love him — Depth Charts has him down for 3.2 WAR per 600 plate appearances — but the Tigers looked likely to stash him in the minors.
When Greene returns, no problem; the Tigers can start playing musical chairs. Meadows is a better outfielder than right fielder Robbie Grossman, so he can shift there or play DH. If he plays right, Grossman would DH, so either option would crimp Miguel Cabrera’s playing time, but between rest days for everyone, giving Meadows the day off against tough lefties, and the fact that you don’t really need to give Cabrera the 525 plate appearances we project him for, I think everything would work out.
A prospect you don’t like very much anymore and a pick the league just gave you for free in excess of your regular allotment of draft picks? Seems like an easy choice. The Tigers got better for more or less free, with the Rays enabling them.
Level Two: Wait, Tampa Bay Is Smart
The Rays are no dummies. When they make a trade, they’re doing it for a deliberate reason, and this is no exception. Start by looking at Meadows, who’s a strange fit for the Tampa Bay machine. The organization loves multi-positional hitters with defensive value; he’s a marginal corner outfielder or DH. If you can’t shift around like that, the Rays would prefer you’re an everyday bat, but that’s not really Meadows. If you regress his platoon splits to the mean based on his career line (using 1,000 PA of average splits as ballast) and take his 2022 projections into account, you’d project him to be a 103 wRC+ hitter against left-handed pitching this year.
An average hitter with his defense isn’t someone the Rays would love to play. Sure, it’s a nice stopgap, but that’s not particularly far from replacement level. Getting a righty in there would probably work out similarly, even if that righty were Harold Ramirez. Against righties, Meadows is a battlecruiser that can anchor your lineup. But speaking of lefty battlecruisers, the Rays promoted Josh Lowe, the team’s top outfield prospect and a lefty power bat, to replace Meadows.
Lowe isn’t a one-for-one replacement for Meadows, but he kind of is. It would likely be hard to roster both; Lowe might be listed as a center fielder, but he’s better suited for a corner, which is where he’ll play for now, and you wouldn’t be excited about giving either of them much playing time against lefties. He likely won’t hit as well as Meadows, but he’ll provide more value defensively. I’m not convinced that the Rays will be worse off in the outfield over the next three years with Lowe instead of Meadows, before even considering the trade return.
Meadows is, as I mentioned repeatedly in the first section, an All-Star, but he’s also been worth 1.8 WAR in the last two seasons combined, with a 108 wRC+ over 743 plate appearances. He had a ludicrous 2019, but I wouldn’t fault you for worrying that he’s the kind of hitter who is disproportionately hurt by losing the ultra-lively ball from that year. Since his 33-homer, 144 wRC+ breakout, he’s continued to walk and strike out at the same clip. The problem? His BABIP cratered from .331 to .256 and his power output declined from a .268 ISO to .212.
On the BABIP front, .331 never made much sense. He’s an average-speed, fly-ball hitter, and he pulls more grounders than the average lefty. I think he’ll likely rebound somewhat, and so do our projections, but a sub-.300 mark is a reasonable estimate. That cuts down on his on-base percentage; the .364 mark he posted in 2019 is likely to be his career high.
On the power front, Meadows has never been Stantonesque; his home run output comes from getting the ball in the air. He has a below-average hard-hit rate, and while he’s capable of plus power, that’s not his calling card. “Get the ball in the air” is still a perfectly serviceable plan, but it’s a lot worse in 2022 than it was in 2019, and even though Meadows looks more slugger-ish than Alex Bregman and Anthony Rendon, his batted ball profile is shockingly similar (albeit from the other side of the plate).
Meanwhile, Paredes felt like a Ray even before joining the Rays. He can play a few infield positions, though none particularly well. He has excellent bat-to-ball skills and good pitch recognition; he’s a near-lock to strike out less than average and walk more than average at the major league level. Power has been his main offensive shortcoming, but in his first Triple-A season (where they use the livelier major league baseball), he posted solid power numbers. He might not ever hit 30 homers in a season, but he elevates, walks, and doesn’t strike out much; his projected .341 OBP gives him plenty of room on the power front.
What about the draft pick? Craig Edwards estimated draft pick values in 2019 and came up with a $3.8 million valuation. In prospect terms, that’s akin to a 45 FV pitcher or 40+ FV hitter, again per Craig’s research. Allowing for some fuzziness around those numbers, it’s a meaningful but not headlining addition to the trade.
In fact, the most meaningful non-Paredes “addition” given the way that Tampa Bay operates is likely not having to pay Meadows. He’ll receive $4 million in arbitration this year, and a reasonable estimate of his future years would see $15–25 million in outlays over the next two years. That’s small change for most major league teams, but the Rays operate under extreme self-imposed budget constraints. Lowe and $4 million is pretty nice compared to Meadows; that will balloon to Lowe and $7 million next year. You don’t have to like the way the Rays operate, but under their constraints, that’s a pretty big deal.
Level Three: Acceptance
I started out thinking this trade was a layup for the Tigers. I pretty quickly decided it was a layup for the Rays; I know our prospect rankings don’t reflect it, but I think Paredes is a more valuable player than Meadows straight up. But in the end, as I’m wont to do, I understand the Tigers’ motivation in making the trade, even if I think they gave up more than is optimal.
The Tigers badly needed an outfield bat to start the season. Remember, they were going to play a backup catcher out there. It’s too late to patch the hole in free agency; it’s just too close to the season, and even if they signed Michael Conforto today, it’s not like he would be ready to slot into the lineup on Thursday. Because the need is so acute now, waiting for someone to get in playing shape doesn’t make much sense if the team is trying to make the playoffs, and the Tigers think they’re going to make the playoffs, projections notwithstanding.
If I jam surplus value numbers onto a rough extrapolation of our Depth Charts projections and a $7 million/$10 million projected arbitration payout based on his 2022 salary and counting statistics, the Tigers are paying $21 million for Meadows’ next three years — production they’d have to pay roughly $50 million for on the free-agent market. Hey! With $30 million here and $30 million there, pretty soon you’re talking real money.
On the other hand, they probably could have gotten more than that out of Paredes. He still hasn’t reached arbitration and won’t until after the 2023 season, assuming everyday playing time. He’s still only 23! Let’s say he’s half as valuable by WAR as Meadows over the next three years due to a combination of lower rate stats and less playing time. That’s $25 million on the free-agent market, by definition, and they’d pay him roughly $3.5 million for the privilege. It’s pretty close to the same value, and again, our projections have Paredes better today. He’d even have two years of arbitration left over afterward. From a salary/team control perspective, this is a pretty big outlay.
Yes, the Tigers filled a long-term need (lefty DH/outfield power bat). Yes, they did it with a cost-controlled player that will hopefully allow them to splash out in free agency. But they gave up a similarly-exciting player to do it, and a younger one to boot. The only reason they shouldn’t keep Paredes and sign someone like Conforto on the open market to fill that long-term need is if they really care about production in the first two months this year.
Again, they do. They think they’re going to make the playoffs this year! But I kind of hate this trade for the Tigers in the end. It’s not because it doesn’t fit their plan; it absolutely does, and if you assign huge importance to making the playoffs this year, sometimes you have to go out and get Meadows. But I don’t think the Tigers are really in that phase of contention yet. They have some awesome stars, but there are still enough holes that sacrificing future value to bolster the next few months feels rash.
Maybe Paredes won’t pan out. Maybe the draft pick will amount to nothing. Maybe Meadows will return to his world-destroying form of 2019. But probably, the Rays are quietly going to win this one, and Paredes will be an above-average regular just like Meadows, only with a lower salary and more team control. That’s how the Rays operate. That’s how they always operate. It will require more moves, because their infield is as obnoxiously crowded as ever, but they’ll probably make it work. So that’s my final level; the Tigers behaved logically in pursuit of a goal I consider illogical, the Rays did their normal Rays thing, and I fully expect to be writing about the Chris Archer trade tree for years to come.
Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.
I know I’m in the minority, but I’d actually like this deal a lot for the Rays if they were on the cusp of trading Taylor Walls for comparable value (if only the Angels had a good match here). Paredes will hit, crappy small MLB sample aside, and Meadows is a poor salary fit for the Rays and their philosophy right now, which trading partners know. So this is a decent return for the Rays all things considered.
three way deal: angels get taylor walls, orioles get tyler wade, rays get tyler wells. nobody will even realize what happened for at least a few days
LMHAO!!!!!
this is absolutely true: i just realized, two weeks later, that i said tyler wade here when i actually meant taylor ward
This deal fits with the TB model of minimizing costs. Bad for baseball, good for shareholders.
Ronnie, I have absolutely no idea why this trade would be bad for baseball. Austin Meadows was 100% NOT “the face of the Rays” — that would be Wander Franco, who they just signed to an 11-year contract. Was the Renfro trade, by Boston, bad for baseball?
that’s a little too simplistic though. There’s a pretty good argument that Paredes is the best player in the deal regardless of salary.
Ugh. Parades is gonna be a star. Once Greene comes back and Cabrera is hopefully dropped way down in the lineup(or benched), Tigers have a pretty good lineup
This bottomless cup of italicized words is killing me.
i must confess, i still believe (still believe)
Tigers won this trade going away, so don’t get me wrong, I would have pulled the trigger on this deal so fast the Rays wouldn’t know what hit them. But also, that outfield is gonna be brutal. Baddoo in CF, Meadows in left, Grossman in right. My heavens.
Long-term, though, it’s fantastic. They need a real CFer at some point anyway, Meadows is under control for a while, and he can DH.
I think I agree. I like Paredes quite a bit, but he reminds me a lot of Yandy Diaz. That’s useful, but I don’t think he’s ever going to be much more than a 2-win player at most.
Paredes is only 22 and he has a 60 hit tool, so it’s entirely possible he could follow the Candelario / Diaz route and become a hit-over-power third baseman. But I think it’s far from a given it’ll happen. The guy hasn’t played a lot in the major leagues yet–only about 200 PAs–but he has only one barreled ball in that entire time. It’s not easy to make it as a slap hitter when you’ve got a 25th percentile sprint speed.
That’s true, but I don’t think Meadows is much more than a 2 win player either. At least Paredes can help you at multiple positions whereas Meadows is stuck in LF/DH territory
Who can’t DH?
If your current DH is someone like Yordan Alvarez, the answer is “nobody else.”
I think they can squeeze just a little more juice out of the husk of Victor Reyes if they heavily platoon these guys. And maybe Hinch will have Meadows platooning with Cabrera at DH by the second half if Miggy has hit his milestones and little else?
But yeah, they gotta do something out there in CF. Riley Greene is a corner guy, and you have to scroll all the way down to 18-year-old Roberto Campos to find an outfielder of note on their prospects list.
It’s a shame, because I feel like outfield defense would be an effective thing to target in Comerica.
I thought they should have made a play for Manny Margot, but he just signed an extension with the Rays so he’s probably not going anywhere.
I’m not a fan of Nimmo in CF but with Greene in RF it might be okay and Baddoo in LF it might be okay. He’s the only obvious starting CF guy slated to hit free agency next year aside from Kiermaier. Maybe if Adam Duvall is good in CF?
Duvall passes the eye test. I think he’s average to slightly plus out there.
This is going to be a particularly interesting storyline to follow this year. If he can play a legitimate CF he’s going to make himself a ton of money.
Yeah the thing is, without Riley in there, the outfield defense was going to be as bad as last year’s no matter what. Baddoo could improve. He’s really fast and obviously has had a rather small amount of reps considering the time missed in 2019-2020. But teams are going to run on them without issue all year. Ideally you’d mix in a little Hill, get Riley back, and one of Meadows or Grossman would DH, and maybe you mix a little Haase in against lefties. Unfortunately, the Miggy problem is where that lineup is a little stuck. Gotta hope he has a surprisingly nice year, or a terrible year so he can be played less. Tricky spot.
It is worth noting that ZiPs and Steamer both like Paredes, seeing him as roughly a 3-win player over 600 PAs. I…am not so sure. I loved him as a prospect but he just looked so bad. Maybe the Rays think they can turn him into another Yandy Diaz.
Turning Isaac Paredes into Yandy Diaz would take a lot of time in the gym. An awful lot of time in the gym.
Like you’d know anything about the gym, Bart…
lol this whole thread…
This definitely smells like projection systems prematurely overvaluing a guy based on minor league data. Even in his tiny MLB sample, with all the necessary caveats, it’s not like you can say “BABIP luck” and ignore anything else like it’s 2009, given that his wOBA was in line with his xWOBA.
Last year’s prospect writeup had him as a guy who has a legitimate hit tool and nothing else, likely a big league role player. Even if he attains that, it sounds vaguely like Yandy Diaz to me. It’s fine, but I’ll take “definitely Austin Meadows” over “maybe Yandy Diaz pt 2.”
I said this up above too: It’s a very small sample, only about 200 PAs, but Isaac Paredes has exactly one “barrel” in his major league career. There are guys with 25th percentile sprint speed who have made careers as slap hitters, but it’s a tough way to do things.
@Ben, how long has trading draft picks straight up been allowed? I always thought that wasn’t part of MLB but I haven’t seen it explained in articles about this trade
You can only trade competitive balance picks. Strange rule, no idea why it works that way.
You’re allowed to trade competitive balance picks – not other draft picks (I think – not sure if there is another type you can trade)
A guy with 20 grade speed, 107 max EV and sub 80 wrc+ so far is not worth more than meadows.
It’s based obviously on his good production in minor league numbers for his age and level
Meadows is going to get expensive real fast in arb, and I don’t think he is that good of a player. I don’t like this for the Tigers. On the plus side, in the positional power rankings it really stood out to me how the Tigers ranked right around middle of the pack at every single position except for DH where they were dead last. Once Riley Greene returns, the Meadows/Miggy DH platoon should get them pretty good production from DH. Once again I am left wondering if a team who is average everywhere is a playoff team or not. I guess we’ll see.
Three years ago, the Tigers started Christin Stewart, JaCoby Jones and Travis Demerritte. I’ll take Meadows/Baddoo/Greene/Grossman over that in a heartbeat, whether this is a playoff contender or not.
Digging some more, parades is basically a poor man’s Astudillo. Similar speed and power but Paredes has a 60 hit vs 80 hit for Tortuga. Even an 80 hit doesn’t get you regular at bats even at the most premium position. Paredes better be a gold glover.
Look, mostly I’m not going to respond to every comment, but be a little bit realistic here. Astudillo walked 45 times from 2015 to 2021 across all levels. Paredes walked 69 times in 2021. You can’t just look at hit tool and call it a day.
Fair point (although the lion’s share of those walks were at AAA). I’m just saying hit tool doesn’t count for a whole lot without other tools.
Alternately, hit tools can also just miss entirely. Look at Keston Hiura these days
If you turn back the clock one generation, Paredes looks an awful lot like Ronnie Belliard. Not just physically, but also the combo of good hit tool with plus plate discipline, doubles power, and an acceptable glove at second or third.
Billiard is a good comp, but his defense was way better.
I feel more confident than ever the Rays are gonna be trading B. Lowe in the next year or so. Definitely gonna be a guy who gets expensive in arbitration with all the dingers. Now they have ANOTHER option to replace him (and Diaz) to go along with Walls, Brujan, Aranda, Edwards…
Lowe is locked up for 5 more seasons on one of the most team-friendly contracts in baseball. I don’t think there’s a team out there willing to offer what it would actually take to land him.
Whoops, my bad. Forgot about his extension.
IF the Rays ever decided to consolidate talent, I could see them offering up Lowe as part of a crazy lopsided package to get Albies from the Braves, simply because of how perfectly Albies’ contract fits the Rays ‘ payroll philosophy.
But the Rays don’t consolidate – even when it would help them avert their annual 40-man roster crunch. So yes, B Lowe isn’t going anywhere.
It is amazing how the Rays never consolidate. I think the only time they’ve done it in the last few years was when they traded for Tommy Pham.
Personally, I want them to make a play for Jose Ramirez. But it’s not gonna happen. It’s really not gonna happen.
Oh, and now it is really, really not gonna happen.
Lol, I also thought Ramirez was a good play for the Rays. I’m also a bit surprised at the size of the deal he just agreed to – maybe the no-trade clause was just that big for him.
It really shouldn’t have been. He’ll get 10-5 rights in a few years. Perhaps, he was worried about Cleveland signing him and then still trading him a year later a la Nolan Arenado? I don’t know though.
Meadows fits in better on the Tigers, or the AL Central, than the Rays. You explained how he is not exactly proficient at hitting LHP, and the AL Central has 2/20 starting LHP’s while the AL East has 6/20. This means there will be more games Meadows can reasonably start.
On the other hand, Comerica laughs at the plans of lefty “power” hitters.
And there’s a deep drive…off the wall.
Hadn’t thought of how righty-heavy the division is, that’s a good point. Those two starting LHPs of the ALC (minus Detroit) are Dallas Keuchel and Kris Bubic, neither one of which is exactly a Problem for opposing lineups. I don’t think CHW/MIN/CLE have any LHP prospects of note either, besides kinda sorta Garrett Crochet. Royals have Daniel Lynch and Asa Lacy who might be pretty decent tho
The Archer Trade
Rays so far have got about 12 WAR out of Meadows + Glasnow in 6 total player seasons. That might as well be 7 seasons because Glasnow isn’t going to do much or anything this year. Baz can surely make this look much worse, and by no means was it a good trade, but I think we can close the book on “Worse Trade Ever” or anything close to it.
It was just a bad trade.
Of course if Baz becomes a Cy Young guy, I’ll eat my words. But we’re talking about someone with all of 260 innings under his belt since 2017.
That’s 2 WAR per season at well below free agent prices.
Archer was worth 1.7 over 3 1/2 seasons, so about 0.5 per season while being paid $13m by the Pirates.
That’s a very bad trade, but I agree that it’s not one of the worst in history (depending on Baz).
This is pretty bad, though. The Bucs got 1.5 WAR out of Archer, so we’re already talking a 10.5 WAR difference, plus Baz, plus Paredes, plus anything remaining they get out of Glasnow, plus the draft pick.
For comparison, in the Griffey trade, Cameron put up an amazing 19.8 WAR in four years for Seattle. But Griffey put up 5.4 WAR in the year that they controlled him after trading him away, so that’s a 14.4 WAR difference. Brett Tomko was replacement-level for the Mariners and Antonio Perez never played for them, so the Rays only need to get 4 WAR out of the rest of the trade to make it more lopsided than that notorious heist, except for the trade returns Seattle got…
…and here my logic circuits begin to smoke, because the Griffey trade tree is out of control. Look at <a href=”https://tradetrees.tumblr.com/image/2924998700″>! And it doesn’t even include Maikel Cleto -> Brendan Ryan from the Jeremy Reed trade, or everyone else the M’s gave up (Antonio Perez was a throw-in in the Lou Piniella trade, Tomko and Reed weren’t the only guys going away in their trades). So I have no idea how to calculate the value the M’s got out of the other pieces in the Griffey trade, but I’d bet the Archer trade comes out worse, comparatively.
In early baseball history, there are a bunch of them–Babe Ruth for the money to finance a broadway play. But that was such a different era, it’s hard to compare.
In the modern, no-reserve-clause era, here are my nominations:
1) Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen. In Bagwell’s first six years for the Astros he put up 38.8 fWAR. It is gonna be hard to beat that one.
2) Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, and Brandon Phillips for Bartolo Colon. Sizemore was unbelievable before the injury. He was replacement level from 2010-2015, and so roughly his entire career value of 29.7 fWAR was during his team control years. Cliff Lee ranged from replacement level to pretty good before breaking out at age 29 with a 6.8 win season (and then when Cleveland traded him to Philly later they got back Carlos Carrasco). Cleveland never got to enjoy Brandon Phillips, as he was pretty bad until he figured things out for the Reds.
3) The Dodgers trading Pedro Martinez to the Expos for Delino deShields. DeShields had an adequate 1994, a pretty good 1995, and a horrific 1996. Pedro Martinez spent a couple of years as a mid-rotation guy before turning into a league ace. Then the Expos traded him to the Red Sox where he turned in arguably the most dominant season pitching ever, although since that came in Pedro’s extension years it’s not clear if that also should be on this list.
4) Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis for a bunch of guys, some of whom eventually were good (Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller) but not for the Marlins. It also cemented the Marlins’ reputation for fire sales. Part of me wants to put this higher.
5) Varitek and Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb. The WAR difference is notable, but since the Red Sox broke the curse and the Mariners rolled with Ben Davis and Dan Wilson as their catchers in 2003 (and were below replacement in 2004)…yeah.
6) Texeira for Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia (did I spell his same right?). I don’t think this is quite on the level of trading away Pedro Martinez or anything, but I think that this is still probably ahead of the Archer trade.
Somewhere in here are the Schilling trades and the Randy Johnson trades. Pretty much every time someone traded one of those guys, the team that traded them lost. I think Ryne Sandberg was also traded for Ivan DeJesus.
Great list! Kazmir for Zambrano has to be up there, too.
Don’t forget the second Mariners contender: Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, and George Sherrill for Erik Bedard.
re: your last paragraph though, Seattle got a great return for two months of Randy Johnson: Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, and John Halama.
Special mention needs to go to Bob Watson, who as the Astros’ GM not only won the #1 deal on this list, but just 14 months later was part of another top 10 one-sided trade, this time as the loser: Kenny Lofton for Eddie Taubensee and Willie Blair.
I’d add the Smoltz/Alexander deal here and the Randolph/Medich one too. The last one may be a bit different because of the era, but Smoltz put up nearly 20 WAR in his first six seasons and that’s with him posting a -0.4 WAR in his first half season at 21.
The Smoltz – Alexander deal. My goodness. I forgot about that.
#4 would be #1 had Dontrelle not nosedived off of a cliff
Bobby Abreu (5-7 WAR for each of the following 7 seasons) for Kevin Stocker (2.6 WAR total and out of baseball in 3 years) in 1997.
That one is like a mini-Bagwell. That definitely belongs on the list.
I think Ben’s point at the end of the article is that we can’t close the book on this trade just yet because the Ray’s have parlayed Meadows into even more future value
The Tigers now have Jeimer Candelario and Austin Meadows in exchange for Alex Avila and Justin Wilson. I think that worked out well.
Was the Rays extending Margot part of this evaluation? Because that seems to fly in the face of many of the reasons why they let Meadows go.
I suspect they foresee Margot as the starting CF when Kiermeier is gone after (or during) this season.
Parades reminds me of former tiger player Placido Polanco
The difference being Paredes has zero athleticism.
I think Paredes has improved here; he looked a little more agile in 2021 than in 2020, and (shockingly) was tried out at SS a little bit. But no, he’s no Placido Polanco.
If he continues his current path, he could be Ronnie Belliard, who was an average-ish player over a 13-year career.
I don’t think there’s much of a ceiling here, but he could be a Yandy Diaz replacement on the field, if not the gym.
The email newsletter link to this article was titled “Rays Go Full Rays, Trade Austin Matthews to Tigers for Future Considerations” and it made me giggle
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The tigers side looks fine but these are the trades the rays have to so to keep recycling talent at the very low end of the cost curve and they do it really well.
The draft pick is more than a draft pick. They do this every year with some trade. Either trading up or adding a pick reduces the risk of a bad draft and gives you a bigger pool to play with each year.
Their business model works because they have no competition in their chosen space. They are the only team willing to trade high profile young players with control so there’s always someone out there to take a risk.
Cardinals, pirates, padres, tigers – always someone willing to do these deals .
Anecdotally, it does seem like the Rays do a better job than most maxing out production and then selling high, and it seems like those players generally perform worse for other teams than they did in Tampa. Cronenworth seems like their biggest misstep, and I guess Adames to a degree if you don’t believe in the Trop vision thing.
But other than that, Pham, Snell, Price, Archer, Longoria, Forsythe, etc. all performed moderately to dramatically worse after getting traded
Price was a monster after getting traded. He put up 6.4 fWAR for the Tigers in about 225 innings, and then in another 75 he put up 2.6 fWAR for the Blue Jays.
The other guys were definitely examples of selling high except Adames and Cronenworth. The Adames thing is so complicated, since they missed their change to sell high on him after 2020, but they salvaged part of it by getting a functional pitcher in Rasmussen. It was a mistake, but not for the reason it seems. Cronenworth is my go to example of “the Rays make mistakes too.” That one was an enormous error. Remember, they also gave up Tommy Pham in that deal too (who also declined, but was at least still okay and probably would have been better had he not been stabbed)…and their marquee acquisition coming back was Hunter Renfroe, who had red flags all over and was so bad he was unplayable.
I think it’s fine to say both sides did well here. Paredes fits the Rays’ roster better, and Meadows definitely fits what the Tigers need more. I think they’re both roughly going to max out around 2-3 WAR (albeit with wildly different skillsets)
I think the Tigers’ minor league infield depth was a big driver to this deal, and that them parting with Paredes says less about their faith in him, and more that guys like Kreidler/Clemens/Workman can fill a similar role (where they don’t have the same replacement options with OF).
I liked this article, Ben.
Something not yet mentioned–hit tools are about to become a lot more valuable since the shift is banned for next year.