Rays, Padres Act to Type in Tommy Pham Trade

It’s a day ending in “Y,” so the San Diego Padres have made another trade involving talented outfielders. This time, it’s a big one: Tommy Pham and Jake Cronenworth will be playing in San Diego next year, with Hunter Renfroe, Xavier Edwards, and reportedly another prospect going to the Rays in exchange.

There’s a lot to unpack in this trade, so let’s take it in sections. First: what are the Rays doing? One option, as always, is that they’re one step ahead of the competition. Trading with the Rays is hazardous for executives’ health. They’re liable to turn a pile of straw into a 3-WAR outfielder, and get you to chip in Shane Baz while you’re at it.

Pham himself was one of these trades a little over a year ago. The Rays traded a shiny marble, two bright red shoelaces, Genesis Cabrera, Justin Williams, and Roel Ramirez to the Cardinals for Pham at the 2018 trade deadline. Pham promptly caught fire, batting .343/.448/.622 through the rest of 2018 before adding a 121 wRC+ 2019. His 3.3 WAR might look low for that offensive line, but it’s largely due to 92 plate appearances at designated hitter, which lowered his defensive value (though Statcast didn’t like his outfield defense in 2019).

When the Rays trade a 31-year-old outfielder for a 27-year-old outfielder, it’s easy to read it as them simply trying to outmaneuver the Padres. But there’s one major complication: salary. Pham is in his second year of arbitration, and he won his case against the Rays last year, securing a $4.1 million salary for 2019. MLB Trade Rumors projects him for $8.6 million in arbitration this year, which would have made him the third-highest-paid Ray, behind only Charlie Morton and Kevin Kiermaier.

You know how teams now try to avoid paying for talent in free agency? The Rays avoid paying for talent in arbitration. They kept Mike Zunino (for $4.5 million), and Chaz Roe will likely be back next year (he’s in his second year of arbitration), but the team simply doesn’t keep many players all the way through their arbitration years. They trade or extend them, and Pham doesn’t seem the type to sign away any upside — he didn’t settle last year in arbitration, after all.

For the Padres, this trade further clears up their outfield picture. Pham and Trent Grisham are the presumptive starters at the corners, with some combination of Franchy Cordero and Manuel Margot covering center. Grisham and Pham are both speedy for outfield corners, and can fill in in center in a pinch, with Josh Naylor or Francisco Mejia replacing them, turning an excellent defensive outfield with okay hitting into a poor defensive outfield with good hitting.

Of course, much of this outfield stability depends on Pham. He immediately slots in at the top of the lineup, likely batting second behind Fernando Tatis Jr. Over the last three years, he’s been an absolutely premium hitter; top 20 in baseball in WAR and OBP, and 26th in wRC+. A lot of that is driven by his superlative 2017, but even in 2019, he was a key part of a solid Rays lineup.

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While his power slumped in 2019, his plate discipline picked up a lot of the slack. Pham has always been a disciplined hitter, but he took that to a new level last year, with a career-low 7.3% swinging strike rate and a 20% chase rate, second-lowest in baseball behind only Alex Bregman. In fact, his decision-making and contact at the plate was positively Troutian in 2019.

There’s risk to Pham. Next year is his age-32 season, and a chunk of his value comes from speed — he’s always been a groundball, high-BABIP guy with enough speed to make it work. While his sprint speed has stayed constant through his major league career, potentially due to his aggressive offseason training, time remains undefeated. A step here or there could be costly for him, and while the walks make up for that at the moment, the Astros attacked Pham in the strike zone during the playoffs and dared him to beat them, a blueprint more teams might adopt in 2020.

But if Pham has some risk, Renfroe is another level entirely. He bounced around the periphery of the San Diego roster in 2017 and 2018, with enough power to be interesting but enough swing-and-miss to be worrisome. 2019 was more of the same — he accomplished the dubious double of swinging at balls more often than league average while swinging at strikes less often than average on his way to a 98 wRC+.

His power hasn’t yet been enough to make up for the strikeouts — it’s more “hey that’s pretty good” power than Joey Gallo bolts of lightning. In fact, he produced worse expected results on contact than Pham in 2017 and 2018, and only barely bested him in 2019. The Rays have done well with other teams’ cast-off hitters of late, but there’s less major league track record here than Ji-Man Choi, or even Jesus Aguilar.

If Renfroe is going to be a huge asset for the Rays, it’s going to involve defense. Before last year, that would have been an outlandish statement; his speed and routes looked roughly average in right, with the main attraction being a huge throwing arm. In 2019, however, both UZR and DRS saw him even with Mookie Betts as the best defensive right fielder in baseball. That sounds crazy, and it is: Betts is a center fielder playing right in an incredibly difficult outfield, while Renfroe is a slow runner who has never stolen more than five bases.

Expecting him to replicate his strong season on defense is foolish. But there really does seem to be something there: Statcast agrees his glovework was notably better in 2019, and his first step is a real asset, making him excellent on short reaction time plays. If he can maintain half his defensive gains while slightly reining in his strikeouts, he could be a useful player for the Rays this year, though as it’s his first arbitration year, they might be looking to move him again next year.

For Tampa, Xavier Edwards is the reason for the trade. Edwards, who played nearly all of last season at 19 years old, gives off a Dee Gordon vibe, both at the plate and on the basepaths. He’s an 80 runner, though Kiley and Eric think his middling arm strength and action make him a better fit for second base or center field than shortstop. His speed turns a good amount of his slash/flare contact into extra bases; he had 18 doubles and eight triples across two levels last year.

The bat control is superlative too; he had a 4% swinging strike rate and walked nearly as much as he struck out. The worrisome part of his profile is his power, and it’s a real worry. Again, he was 19 almost all of last year, but his average exit velocity in 2019 was 83.5 mph, and only 13% of his batted balls left his bat at more than 95 mph. That’s not quite Billy Hamilton territory, but think Magneuris Sierra or David Fletcher. His contact skills far outstrip Sierra, and his overall game provides plenty of cushion relative to Fletcher, but power will certainly be a concern going forward.

The Rays system is crowded with infielders; even ignoring Wander Franco, Vidal Brujan and Lucius Fox looked excellent in 2019, and the big league club has Brandon Lowe, Willy Adames, Daniel Robertson, and even Joey Wendle in the picture somewhere. But Edwards is young enough, and the Rays are cost-conscious enough, that he might be a generation behind them in the majors, and there’s always center field, where Kiermaier is slowing down at the plate.

The prospect team graded Edwards as a 50 FV last year, and they’ll likely leave him there in the 2020 update. That puts him in the 5-10 range of an excellent farm, further bolstering what is already the best system in the game. He also doesn’t need 40-man roster protection until 2022, which helps allay the Rays’ roster crunch.

Cronenworth, the second part of the Padres’ return, bears more explanation. He’s a 25-year old shortstop with enough glove to stick there, with the arm and fielding motions to handle any position across the infield in at least a utility role. His real appeal is with the bat, where he took a huge step forward in 2019.

The International League notably switched to major league baseballs last year, and Cronenworth took advantage. He hit .334/.429/.520, walking 12% of the time while only striking out 15.3%, on the way to arguably his best offensive season at the highest level of competition he’s ever faced. His 10 home runs more than doubled his previous single-season total, and his exit velocity numbers would look at home in the majors; an 89 mph average, with 39% of his contact 95 mph or higher.

If this newfound power is going to stick, it will likely come with a lower BABIP and more fly balls — his 1.72 GB/FB ratio limits the amount of damage he can do in the air. Even if he doesn’t hold all of his power gains, the bat control and plate approach give him a nice floor, and he fields and runs enough to make the total package work.

Oh yeah, he also pitches. He’s not a “real” pitching prospect, but he was a two-way player in college and threw 7 innings in 2019, pairing a low-90s fastball with a usable slider. Eric doesn’t see him as more than an excellent position player pitcher, but still, that’s a bit of extra value, and is also extremely cool.

Put it all together, and Cronenworth looks like a big-league ready utility piece. Eric and Kiley haven’t put together a grade for 2020 for him yet, but they expect him to land in the 40/45 range, with Luis Rengifo as a comp. This isn’t some throw-in from the Rays; Cronenworth will be ready to contribute for San Diego right away if needed.

Some trades are straightforward. Chris Archer for every prospect in Pittsburgh never looked like an even swap, for example. This one is much more complicated. The Padres upgraded their outfield while trading a prospect who is a few years away for one who can contribute at a lower level today. They also shortened their window slightly; the Rays might look to move Renfroe rather than pay him in 2021, but the Padres could have kept him until 2022. Pham is significantly better right now though, enough so that this is a clear win for them at the major league level.

In terms of the prospects exchanged, I’m partial to the Jake Cronenworth mold of player and skittish around Edwards types, though I am in the minority. Edwards has the chance to be a star; he has the superlative athleticism and bat control to make his game work without power, and his ceiling if he adds exit velocity is huge. That’s a big if, however, and speed-and-singles infielders don’t tend to move the needle for me. Cronenworth isn’t as good of a prospect as Edwards, no doubt, but he’s helpful today, and there isn’t much concern about someone with his Triple-A stat line translating to the majors.

If you came here for a definitive winner, you’re out of luck, especially before we know the confirmed final pieces. I generally like the Rays’ side of trades; they have a good track record cutting bait with their own prospects and targeting undervalued bats. But in this situation, I think the 40-man roster and arbitration salary concerns painted them into a corner. The Padres made themselves a lot better in 2020 with this trade, and while they had to spend a solid prospect to do it, they got someone almost as interesting back. Not every trade needs to have a winner and a loser — but if forced to choose sides, I suppose I’d take the Padres in this one.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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OTMHeartBBCMember since 2019
6 years ago

Rays are also getting an unnamed 2nd prospect

thestatbook
6 years ago

AJ Preller won’t stop until Jurickson Profar is the only 2B in his organization.

CC AFCMember since 2016
6 years ago

I’d be disappointed if I was a fan of the Rays. The value seems solid for them, but you can see the reaction from Blake Snell, which I think tells the story:

It’s clear Pham > Renfroe right now. We can all agree on that, right? And the Rays have a LOADED farm system already, which includes Brujan and Franco, plus some solid current middle infielders. The Rays also have a very good MLB that made the playoffs last year and are in a division in which they have a particularly solid window of contention because the Jays and Orioles are rebuilding and the Red Sox are…totally whimping out and re-setting, I guess?

Given all those things, why are you are making your current team worse? Are you trying to take a huge, steaming dump on your fan base? Maybe actually attempt to win for once. Contract this team into the center of the sun.

Chaise Kahlenbeck
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

What the heck? That last paragraph is ridiculous. You’re accusing the 96 win Rays of not trying to win?

Sure, it’s fair to say losing Pham is a blow to 2020, but that’s as of right now. Eventually TB will have to consolidate resources on the farm (or even fringe major leaguers) to supplement weaknesses, so what if that happens tomorrow? I’ll give the Rays the benefit of the doubt.

CC AFCMember since 2016
6 years ago

Ok, call me when they consolidate those resources. Now would be a great time since they have a great window of contention, but instead they’re actively making their current team worse.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

They’re never going to consolidate, ever. That’s what makes this team so frustrating.

Also, I’m not sure why we would give the Rays the benefit of the doubt, at least more than about 10-15 other teams with relatively bright front offices. The commenters here do that a lot, saying “if they made this move, it must be because they’re smarter than us.” This is a team that makes a lot of good moves but part of that is because they make a lot of moves, period. This looks like a bad one.

Chaise Kahlenbeck
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It can be argued that they did consolidate last year at the deadline with the Nick Anderson trade, which is a prime example of the benefits of having a system like the Rays do.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

They traded an FV50 and an adequate reliever for a very good reliever and a guy who lost his spot in the Marlins (!) starting rotation. That’s barely consolidation.

OddBall Herrera
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

They got a healthy year out of Pham, which doesn’t happen often. I don’t mind their cashing out while they are ahead on him, and getting someone to take his spot in the outfield plus a high level prospect isn’t the travesty you’re making it out to be. Renfroe may not be better than Pham in rate stats next year, but I bet you he is in counting stats (other than SB)

CC AFCMember since 2016
6 years ago

The trade is totally solid in a vacuum. I don’t mind the Rays side of it at all, on its face. My point is, you’re a team that has trouble financially and you rarely have a year when one or both of the Yankees and Red Sox are struggling. You rarely have a year when one of those two are struggling and both of the Orioles and Jays are total non-factors.
You REALLY rarely have a year when that is the case AND you have a strong major league team. If you’re not going for it now, when are you ever going to go for it?

oozyalbies1
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Except the Yankees aren’t struggling?

Shauntell47
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

The Winter Meetings haven’t started yet, so I think we need to wait and see what other moves the Rays FO makes during the next few months before passing judgement. Accumulating more prospects just gives them more ammo and options for making a win-now trade later on. And I consider it quite likely that such a trade will be made this offseason.
Given their financial limitations, the Rays have had to seek every little edge they can get and trades have been a big part of their recent success. A lot of them have had them trading players who they’ve identified as having reached their peak trade value with a medium to high risk of it depreciating sooner rather than later. Archer, Mallex Smith, Jake Bauers, Souza, McGee are just a couple examples.
I believe that they identified Pham as such a player at the beginning of the offseason and that they were set on trading him for the right package.

rhdx
6 years ago
Reply to  Shauntell47

Accumulating more ammo for win-now trades later on? You mean like getting a 3.5 win player? Oh wait, they just gave that up. They never actually make those trades. And the only reason they have financial limitations is because the owner chooses to impose financial limitations. To be clear, I am not knocking the GM for making these trades, I am knocking ownership for never actually investing in the team.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

rhdx exactly. They won the WC game and had a divisional series appearance. That inherently increases revenue and so far they’ve cut bait on multiple Arb players to save money or “build for the future” in this case and unless they are making some bargain, under the radar FA signings, it seems like they will get worse on paper and see a comparable/lower team salary when revenues increased.

Ofc they’re not the Braves, but look at what that team is doing to supplement young talent. Spending because playoff revenue.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

This is absolutely true. Renfroe is a defensive regression away from being a sub 1-win player (which is what Steamer sees happening, and which is totally plausible). These low-OBP guys are pretty risky unless you’re really confident in their defense (and power, for that matter, but I suspect he’ll keep that).

Dooduh
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Otoh should Renfroe see some improvement in his contact rate, then he becomes a 5 win player. He’s got an interesting package of skills and still some room to improve.

That said, I would have expected to yield a bit more from dealing Pham but we’ll see what the player to be named is.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Sadtrombone. doesn’t steamer also have him regressing in WRC+ too? It could happen but I’m not sure how much faith im putting into Renfroe projections just yet

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

They have him going from a 98 wRC+ to 97 wRC+. With previous years with similar power and BB-K rates I think his profile there is fairly stable, for better or worse. He’s a league average bat at a corner spot, with power and terrible OBP.

OddBall Herrera
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

I was mostly referencing your good old runs/rbi/hr type counting stats.

I may still even bet on Renfroe for WAR if they put Pham in center, where his injury risk goes up relative to RF or LF.

I do agree there’s also a non-zero chance Renfroe turns in an ’empty’ 30HR season, a-la C.J. Cron.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

The most likely scenario where he fails to turn in an “empty” 30 HR season is if he gets the “empty” part right but doesn’t hit 30 home runs. CJ Cron’s 30 HR season was better than anything Renfroe has ever done. It seems more likely he turns in a season like Randal Grichuk or Rougned Odor had last year than him suddenly raising his OBP by 35 points.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I agree with pretty much all of this, although contraction may be a bit of an overreaction. They didn’t get good value for Pham, because Renfroe is just not very good and is going to get pretty expensive in arbitration, which makes no sense for a team like Tampa Bay. I do like Xavier Edwards, and could actually see an argument for trading Pham if they got someone like Patino or Campusano back instead, maybe with a guy like Michel Baez thrown in for good measure? But Renfroe might not even be an improvement on sticking one of their utility fielders in right field next year.

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Rays’ return so far does seem lighter than the Marlins’ of Alcantara, Sierra, and Gallen for 2 years of Ozuna 2 years ago. The Padres made a similar nice trade last summer of 4.5 years of Franmil Reyes (a slightly worse version of Renfroe) and Logan Allen (an older, higher-floor, lower-ceiling FV50 than Edwards) for FV55 Taylor Trammell.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

The one caveat here is that we don’t know who the second prospect is that is coming back. If the second prospect is FV50 or higher then my opinion of this deal changes considerably. I’d guess it’s probably between a couple of raw teenagers in rookie ball they’re still scouting, but if they’re getting another Shane Baz out of this then my opinion of this deal changes a lot.

The HammererMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

Not sure how you figure Renfroe is superior to Reyes? In what way do you calculate that?

carterMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  The Hammerer

Came here to write this. I doubt any team in baseball would rather have Renfroe than Reyes. 24 years old, and I would doubt that his bat is done improving. Had one of the largest differences between actual results last year, and expected results.

randplatyMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Renfroe is probably a 2-2.5 win player with more control and cheaper obviously. I don’t think he’s a sub 1 WAR player. He had a horrible 2nd half of 2019, but that’s mostly because of playing through an injury. I’d look at his 1st half of 2019 and 2nd half of 2018 as what he’s actually capable of doing. At least I think the Rays think that’s the true Renfroe.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  randplaty

Padres fan here, trading Renfroe is addition by subtraction. The plate discipline is terrible, no concept of modifying his approach to fit the game situation, and bone-headed baserunning blunders that make you wonder if his head is in the game. He strikes me as a dumb and stubborn player. Trust me the 1st half of 2019 was the aberration. Good riddance.

Tanned Tom
6 years ago
Reply to  tbwhite67

Agreed. People who don’t follow the Padres daily might not know Renfroe was demoted for failing to change his approach at the plate, while in the middle of setting the club record for HRs by a rookie. Spare me from all or nothing players.

randplatyMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  tbwhite67

I’m a Padres fan… I don’t think the first half of 2019 was an aberration. Why? Because look at the 2nd half of 2018. He was a 3 WAR player from July to July. Will he be a 3 WAR player going forward? Probably not, but I would be pretty confident in saying he’s a 2-2.5 WAR player.

rhdx
6 years ago
Reply to  randplaty

A lot of players look a whole lot better if you just pick their best months.

rhdx
6 years ago
Reply to  randplaty

Renfroe is 27 and owns a 294 career OBP. Good luck with that.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  randplaty

randplasty. He’s a two win player if the outfield improvements stick and he adjusts his approach at the plate, both of which are big ifs.

Staying healthy also seems like a significant if so far. And that that point you’re still just taking the same team controlled WAR and spreading it out

Connor Grey
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I’m not a true fan of the Rays, but I’ve loved to watch the team play since the summer of 2018 and would probably watch at least three games a week. Pham’s one of my favorite Rays and I was initially a little sad but I can see why it makes sense for the team to get out ahead of his decline.

toddball
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I understand your point, but think you’re wildly over-reacting. The Rays are constantly looking ahead for long-term value over short-term. They have to, being a tiny market team in a division with financial giants.
This trade turned a good, aging outfielder coming off of a peak season who they could not afford next year, into a top 50 prospect, another prospect, and a younger, cheaper outfielder who worst-case is a roster body with some power, and best-case can still develop into productive contributor. Not bad.

ForrestMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  toddball

Exactly. Vintage Rays move trading a 32 year old player (who should start declining) while he still has value for a younger, cheaper player with upside. Edwards will challenge Lowe for the 2B job and be a good leadoff hitter. Great move by the Rays.

Original Greaser Bob
6 years ago
Reply to  Forrest

For another season when they don’t go for it.

Lanidrac
6 years ago

It’s better to be perpetually competitive than to go all in and then have a fire sale like the other Florida team tends to do. As long as they make the playoffs, they have a decent chance to win it all.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
6 years ago

What would “going for it” look like? How much better can they expect a 90+ win team to be? The calculus of Pham at 32 being worth it over the next 2 years isn’t good.

This is another positive arbitrage deal over a 3 year timeline. Doing this over a long enough timeline is how you get to six 90+ win seasons in a decade despite playing in a tough division. Cashing out in this division would put them in a precarious spot where I’m not sure the reward is worth the risk.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I could see them making a high-cost (for them), short-term veteran signing or two to stock up the offense to make up for Pham’s production. The offseason is still young.

bglick4
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

If this was the Pirates or Marlins making this exact same trade, we’d rightfully be all over them for making a cost saving trade at the expense of winning baseball games. We only judge the Rays differently because they are so damn good at this. I think I’m ok with this. Pham is still going to get paid and the Rays will still (probably) continue to field excellent teams.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I also don’t see Renfroe becoming a 3+ WAR player so yeah Pham is better right now and probably will be better, but in terms of WAR potential under team control it might be comparable.

The problem is, this was a playoff team, albeit a WC spot so I’m not sold on the logic of trading 4 WAR for the next 2 years for maybe similar WAR spread out over 4 unless you really believe in Franco (and maybe some pitchers in the minors because their rotation won’t stay together forever) to make the window in 2022 more realistic than 20-21

OddBall Herrera
6 years ago

I am kind of expecting a “Wil Myers has been cut” headline to go across the ticker pretty soon. This seems like the nail in the coffin for his fit in the lineup

surfdoc37
6 years ago

Think you’ll see Myers in LF, Pham in CF, and Margot traded instead of a Grisham-Margot-Pham OF.

randplatyMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  surfdoc37

If they don’t like Margot, I think they’ll put Grisham in CF.

dl80Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  surfdoc37

I agree. There is no way they are giving up on Myers, even though he is an obvious sunk cost. Maybe he can be a backup/part-time corner outfielder and first basemen? But whichever of Cordero or Margot doesn’t win a spot should be their regular fourth outfielder.

Or maybe those two can form a platoon since Margot is a righty and Cordero is a lefty.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
6 years ago

They should probably cut Myers at this point but I don’t think he will. You’ll see him play against LHP I’m sure. A lot of money for a platoon hitter, but that’s how it is.

Tanned Tom
6 years ago

Teams don’t cut 1.5 WAR players.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
6 years ago
Reply to  Tanned Tom

Which version of WAR had him at 1.5 in 2019?

vslykeMember since 2020
6 years ago

If the Rays wanted to save some money, I don’t fully understand why they dealt Pham instead of the worse and more expensive Kiermaier. Maybe they tried to do that and just couldn’t draw any interest.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  vslyke

It’s December. There are at least three more months before “couldn’t draw any interest” has real meaning.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  vslyke

They must not like any of their other guys in center field, but I do think it’s possible they would have gotten a better return there.

gandrioleMember since 2020
6 years ago

This trade will always be remembered for Blake Snell’s reaction and Xavier Edwards’ new nickname.

Kevbot034
6 years ago
Reply to  gandriole

I truly hope so <3

runningfrog
6 years ago
Reply to  gandriole

If MLB didn’t have such a tight rein on fun, we could see Edwards rolling out in a “SLAPDICK” jersey for Players Weekend.

Anthony Princeton
6 years ago

It should be noted that Pham has a degenerative eye disorder called Keratoconus. Glasses/contact lenses can correct the issue, but over time surgery may be required.

Kevbot034
6 years ago

Didn’t he get surgery for this back in St. Louis days?

Anthony Princeton
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

I don’t know if it can be cured since it’s degenerative. Pham had surgery in 2011 after being diagnosed in 2008. It appears it has at least been stopped which is good.

St. Louis Post Dispatch, May 23, 2017

““I look at all of them — ‘Busch Stadium,’ ‘KMOX,’ the scoreboard, all of that,” Pham said. “I’ve got to make sure this is the best lens because the best lens gives me the best opportunity. If my left eye gets any worse, I’m in trouble. If my right eye gets any worse, I’m in trouble.”

Pham, 29, returned to the majors two weeks ago, and before going on a tear with a .304 average and a .587 slugging percentage in his first 12 games, he warned people they were about to hear a familiar tale. After an aggravating spring, his offensive awakening came immediately after he got new contact lenses. Since first being diagnosed in 2008 with a degenerative eye condition, keratoconus, Pham has had a breakthrough surgery to halt the erosion and since cycled through a variety of contact lenses looking for the right fit, even if it’s just fit for right now.

Keratoconus causes structural abnormalities in the cornea, warping it and leaving it similar to the shape of a football’s tip. Instead of light bending toward the retina to be processed as an image, the light scatters, splinters. Halos or double images can appear. Pham said he is legally blind in his left eye due to keratoconus.”

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
6 years ago

I’ve mentioned it here before, but I also have keratoconus–an interesting property of the condition is that, even without surgery, it tends to stabilize in your 30’s. (It generally emerges in your late teens or early 20s.)

I can speak to the frustration with the contacts. I was diagnosed about 16 years ago. I have lost count of the number of different sets of contacts I’ve had to go through. I’ve had to adjust strength and fit sometimes as often as 2-3 times a year. What adds to that is that glasses are often completely ineffective due to what causes the vision degeneration–the irregularities of the corneal shape. My vision’s gotten to the point where I have to wear my contacts to be even remotely functional. I used to be able get away with glasses on weekends, where I didn’t need perfect vision.

As you can imagine with that background, I’ve rooted very much for Pham since I heard about him.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

This is going to depend a lot on what the second prospect is going back to the Rays, but this looks like a fantastic trade for the Padres and a really lousy trade for the Rays. The core of it is this: Pham is straight up better than Renfroe. He was last year, and Renfroe’s defense has to continue to be really stellar for it to continue, because Renfroe is a sub-.300 OBP rally killer. Pham is an on-base machine, the guy you want hitting near the top of your lineup. He was their second-best position player last year and had a good shot of being their best this year. And on top of all that, Renfroe hits a lot of home runs meaning he’s going to get expensive in arbitration pretty quickly. He’s exactly the kind of guy who the Rays will decide isn’t worth it in a year and drop.

In theory, Xavier Edwards makes up for it, and I do like him a lot as a prospect, especially if we keep that low-drag ball. But if they were going to trade Pham, they’re better off seeing what they have in that ridiculously deep system and getting more prospects, picking up some guy who falls through the cracks in right field like they did with Avisail Garcia last year, because there’s not that much difference between him and whoever of Kole Calhoun, Steven Souza, Avisail Garcia, Corey Dickerson, or Domingo Santana falls through the cracks.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I was looking at players with similar profiles as Renfroe and “Calhoun with less discipline” is a pretty accurate hitter comp to renfroe

Kevbot034
6 years ago

I like the trade for both, but I think I prefer the Pads side. It also means they probably still will look to move a few more OF and i like all the busyness this offseason

tomerafan
6 years ago

Saw Cronenworth play a couple of games in the minors last year. Always took good ABs and hit the ball with authority. Surprised to see him moved because he seems like a “Rays type of guy” – the kind of infielder they call up who contributes and casual fans wonder “Where’d that guy come from?” Of course, the ability to pitch is slightly less valuable in 2020 due to the rule changes. Meanwhile, this opens the Padres up to employ 2-man outfields and 5-man infields which I can’t wait to see… if only Andy Green were still there…

Jross
6 years ago

Hopefully the Ray’s make up for the total value with the second prospect. This trade makes more sense with the present roster if the Ray’s make another move to find a full time bat. Like Marte to take over Phams PAs, while Renfro flls in for lost of Garcia.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
6 years ago

What’s not mentioned in this article is that Phams defense was really bad last year. One of the worst in majors in outs above average. And also his 8-9 M salary is a lot for rays budget.

In Renfroe Rays get someone who is cheaper and a very good defender in left. He also has a ton of power, and likely will have a better batting average with some BABIP regression (he was at .239 in 2019). Renfroe also has 4 years of control compared to 2 for Pham, and is 4 years younger.

Then on top of that they get a stud shortstop prospect with 80 grade speed and an elite hit tool? Yes the power is weak, but he’s only 20 and can build up muscle. When he fills out and plays with juiced ball his power the power should be more passable. And with the rest of his profile being so good he doesn’t even need the power that much if he’s hitting .300 with walks, elite speed, and elite defense.

I’m not saying this is horrible for Padres. But truthfully when you factor in defense Pham isn’t that huge of an upgrade over Renfroe. Yet given their payroll flexibility and present core, good for them to go for it. Still think Rays will be winners in the end.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

This is a lot of faith in both Hunter Renfroe and Tommy Pham’s defensive changes in 2019 sticking.

fsandomenico@hotmail.com
6 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

Pham can steal bases but I have never seen a payer make more mistakes on the bases than him.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
6 years ago

Hunter Renfroe says hold my beer, then proceeds to WATCH his teammate get thrown at 2B trying to stretch a single into a double while Hunter casually strolls from 3B to Home, not making it there before the out occurs at 2B, costing the Padres a run. This actually happened. He stopped before he got to home and watched his teammate make the 3rd out at 2nd base. Hunter is not encumbered by intelligence.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

Phams defense in LF was solid but bad in CF. He shouldn’t be playing CF basically. Positive UZR and DRS in LF isn’t bad

hombremomento
6 years ago

Also a 1.000 fielding percentage in LF

Noah BaronMember since 2016
6 years ago

Now the Rays will hopefully have enough money to improve at catcher and potentially a 1B/DH/LF offense first guy as well. Their outfield is very good defensively, and their infield looks pretty set with Diaz, Choi, Lowe, and Adames (plus Nate Lowe). Pitching staff is still incredible and they have more help on the way. I’m still picking rays to win division next year, barring an unprecedented offseason by yankees.

rhdx
6 years ago

I love how the Rays’ management runs the team, but if the owners are not willing to pay $8 million for a 3 WAR guy, then they shouldn’t own a team.

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

An ownership of a team that won 96 and 90 games the last two seasons shouldn’t be allowed to own a team? Jeez dude, get off the payroll obsession and focus on WINS over a multi-year period.

rhdx
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

Imagine what kind of team the GM and coaching staff could produce if they were allowed to spend more than an MLS team.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
6 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

I have no clue what an MLS team’s payroll looks like these days, but are they really higher than what the Rays payroll was last season?

ThrasiusMember since 2016
6 years ago

No, great joke though!

Original Greaser Bob
6 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

We already did this thought exercise.

ForrestMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

Despite winning 96 and 90 games the last 2 seasons, the Rays were 2nd to last in MLB in attendance, averaging only 14,743 per game last season. If the Rays had some more fans show up for their home games, the owners might be able to spend more money for players. I’m amazed the Rays are still in the Tampa Bay area.

ThrasiusMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Forrest

Maybe if the stadium was near the region’s center of population, Tampa, then that would be possible.

randplatyMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Forrest

Meanwhile San Diego attracts 2.4 million in 2019 which ranks 14th in MLB… a year in which they lost 92 games.

dl80Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Forrest

There shouldn’t be any baseball teams in Florida at all. It has never worked on an attendance level long term.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  Forrest

Sure Forrest but they made the ALDS which means logically they have more money to increase their budget. Maybe they do but it’s not trending in that direction

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
6 years ago

I like the trade for both sides. I agree with Ben in that I generally prefer prospects like Cronenworth over prospects like Edwards. I can see why the both sides made this trade. The Padres get a better hitter now, sacrificing some future value, but give up two players where they have surpluses at. The Rays play the years of control game that they love to do and get a hitter that should have more success in the AL East parks than the NL West ones, all while getting a top-100 prospect. I like it for both sides,

hombremomento
6 years ago

Honestly Tommy Pham is an extremely underrated player. With him you’re getting a .280-.290 average, 20+ homeruns and/or stolen bases, excellent defense and an OBP between .370-.385. Very productive player.

Baller McCheeseMember since 2016
6 years ago

A little confused to not see Wil Myers mentioned in this write-up. For as much as he wasn’t good last year, the Padres still started him for 100 games. Pham becomes their best outfielder, but I don’t think this move clears up the Padres’ OF logjam much at all.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
6 years ago

Probably because the author realizes that he’ll be on the bench most days (where he rightfully belongs).

docgooden85Member since 2018
6 years ago

“…20% chase rate, second-lowest in baseball behind only Alex Bregman”

I would edit that to add a big fat asterisk since there is lots of evidence that Bregman’s (literally) preternatural chase rate is enhanced by brazen cheating.

snood
6 years ago
Reply to  docgooden85

I didn’t have a huge AL MVP preference going into the offseason, but now I’m really glad Trout didn’t lose it to Bregman.

Sandy Kazmir
6 years ago

It’s less about the money and more about trying to win both today and tomorrow. Surprising it needs to keep being said. There are several universes where Hunter Renfroe outperforms Tommy Pham next year. If this isn’t one of them they’re getting a smaller role contributor than they had hoped, but a contributor, nonetheless, and they’ll have him for three years after this one. That probably means a couple years of reaping production before he, also, gets sent out for more future production.

After the 2010 exodus that led to 10+ picks in the first two rounds of the 2011 draft ultimately produced one pretty good pitcher and that’s about it the realization sinks in that if you’re trying to win today then draft picks are relatively useless to you. That draft was chock full of stars and future members of the MLB middle class. Unfortunately, virtually all of those studs were gone before the first of the Rays dozen or so selections. Therefore, if you want to win today and tomorrow the enterprising team must move still marketable players while they retain value.

That means you cannot wait until their last year of control, but often earlier in the arb process as teams have shown great reluctance to part with good returns for essential rentals. Some probably misconstrue that as a team being cheap, but that is the pinnacle of the player’s trade value between control and production predictability.

In order to continue to add both win-now and win-later players there will be an interim gap where production is likely going to be lower than what the outgoing player is likely to provide. However, there is no certainty there as players show growth or decline at virtually random rates. If you are quibbling about the return the Rays received today, what would that return look like a year from now if the player has a down or injury-filled year? The latter is something that has caused the player in question to see diminished production for multiple years. Something that was apparent down the stretch last year as Pham played through multiple injuries that had sapped his production at the plate and ability to throw in the field.

It sucks when players who played their guts out get traded, but cheering for mediocrity because it’s easier than saying goodbye is a far worse option. The Rays are betting that Tommy Pham’s body is going to break down faster than the average guy, and playing on that turf half his games would only have hastened the process. In that respect, they’re doing right by an older player who should stay on his feet long enough to reach free agency after two more seasons. In the meantime they get a useful player who might have another gear, but a pretty high floor, and at worst a niche, but necessary role.

The prospect Edwards isn’t a nobody, and along with guys like Greg Jones, Vidal Brujan, and of course, Wander Franco, (among many others) there is a bright, staggered future of down the line contributors who promise an exciting brand of baseball that involves speed and defense and flexibility. The kind of exciting baseball the Rays have already transitioned to while the rest of the leagues seeks to reach their 3TO horizon.

The future is bright in St. Pete, but so is the present, and the club still has plenty of time to close the gap between what could have been with Tommy Pham and how it will actually play out next year.

Mahoney
6 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

Well said. Billy Beane worked the “trade them while you can” angle for countless years with Oakland, just as the Rays have been doing. As a fan, I’d much rather have my team do this kind of perpetual process consistently than be jerked around by rapid binges and purges of talent.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
6 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

In all the several universes that make Renfroe more valuable, the Rays would have to fundamentally revolutionize his approach at the plate which the Padres haven’t been able to do, and also probably some age based regression for Pham.

Sandy Kazmir
6 years ago

Or he stays the same flawed, but useful player and Tommy Pham falls off a cliff. Or Renfroe gets a little better and Pham gets a little worse and they’re suddenly not far apart. It’s hard to see Pham being better than he has been. That might not be the case with Renfroe and whether he stabilizes or improves he will still return an ok to good trade haul in two years that should also be factored into the trade when Pham likely walks for nothing.

Pham has been a much better player. It seems unlikely that he will continue to be much better, though probable that he will continue to outperform Renfroe to some degree. Edwards being a legitimate prospect a little further along closes the gap considerably. The way this looks bad is if Edwards busts, which is probably a 50% or higher likelihood as is, Renfroe turns out to not be enough ending up non-tendered in a year or two and Pham finds another gear that allows him to stay healthy and productive over an entire season. It seems rather unlikely that all three of those things would happen collectively.

If it does, well, that happens. No team is undefeated on the trade front, but those that don’t play the game resign themselves to unwatchably bad baseball over what feels like an interminable period at some point down the road. I realize I am in a minority group, but I care much more about watching 6+ months of good baseball every year than I do one cool month every ten or so years.

rhdx
6 years ago

It’s funny how often people who post here complain about owners being cheap and not paying players enough money when the same people cheer the Rays for dumping talent all the time instead of spending to win. The Rays are worth $1 billion and their owners are rich but they choose to not pay a 3.5 win player $8 million dollars. Why the hell should the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers spend over the tax and be penalized by multiples when teams like this won’t spend 25% of that? The fact that they have a talented front office that makes chicken salad out of chicken $hit doesn’t mean the owners can’t be criticized.

mhartzell415Member since 2025
6 years ago

I think this is a landslide win for the Rays, especially with another prospect going their way. Pham is on the decline, power was down last year, speed will be next, pitchers will start attacking him and there go the walks too. I wouldn’t be surprised if Renfroe is close to as valuable as Pham in 2020. That being said, maybe I just assume the Rays won this trade because they win every trade haha

The Duke
6 years ago
Reply to  mhartzell415

Yes he’s very close to being a non-tender 🙂

Mike
6 years ago

Where are you getting Edward’s statcast data? Are minor league numbers public somewhere now?

For the record I like the Rays side. They have a pretty clear trade approach since most of the MLB guys they’ve gone after are Statcast darlings (Edwards aside). This didn’t work with Aguilar who had a bit of a scary profile to begin with but looks really interesting with Renfroe.

feslenraster
6 years ago

What I’d like to know is, as talented as Pham is, and he puts up good numbers, why does he keep getting dealt? Anyone know?

Interesting deal for both teams.

The Duke
6 years ago
Reply to  feslenraster

He slammed the Rays fans last year at this time and prior to that he seems to have rubbed the STL front office the wrong way with his SI article. He’s a bit prickly

frankMember since 2016
6 years ago

So do Pham’s Steamer and Depth Charts projections now reflect that he’s playing in a new stadium and context?