Rockies Continue to Confuse, Acquire Wilton Lopez
In a vacuum, you could probably make a decent enough case in favor of exchanging Alex White for Wilton Lopez. As Jeff wrote last week, Lopez is the game’s most extreme high GB/low BB reliever, and this skillset allows him to be an effective late-inning reliever. Lopez is a quality arm, and he can be a key piece of a good bullpen. Meanwhile, White has been pretty lousy during his first 150 innings in the big leagues, and there’s a decent chance that he ends up in the bullpen himself. As one person noted to me on Twitter last night, the Rockies traded a guy I’ve projected as a reliever in the past for a better reliever.
There’s just a few problems here. The primary one regards the health of Lopez’s right arm. The reported deal with the Phillies that never materialized last week apparently included Philadelphia having some significant concern over his elbow, and a couple of folks here in Nashville have said that Lopez flunked a physical at the trade deadline that nuked a trade for him back in July. When there’s smoke, there’s often fire, and the fact that Lopez spent a month of the 2012 season on the DL with an elbow issue suggests that there’s almost certainly something there worth worrying about. Without access to the medical information and people who can intelligently interpret it, we can’t say to what degree Lopez is damaged goods, but it is clear that other teams have serious concerns about how long Lopez’s elbow is going to last before he needs surgery.
However, predicting injuries isn’t something anyone has mastered, so let’s just assume for now that Lopez is going to stay healthy. Even with that assumption, it’s not clear that this is a significant upgrade for Colorado relative to simply shifting White to the bullpen.
Like Lopez, White is a ground ball pitcher, and during his run up the minor league ladder, he showed good command of the strike zone. That hasn’t carried over to the big leagues, but there’s a significant difference between starting and relieving, and White didn’t get a lot of time in the high minors to prepare for life in the Majors — he’s thrown about one half of a season in Triple-A between his time there in 2011 and 2012. While there are reasons to think he might not stick as a starter, he has the ability to be a very similar reliever to Lopez, only he’s younger, presumably healthier, cheaper, and under team control for an extra two years. If the Rockies really wanted a right-handed groundball reliever and didn’t think White would stick as a starter, then they could have simply shifted White to the bullpen, where scouts have projected he’d be a successful arm since his days at the University of North Carolina.
And that’s before we get into the fact the Rockies aren’t exactly in a position to extract value from a reliever who likely has a short shelf life. They were 64-98 a year ago, and while they should be better next year with the return of Troy Tulowitzki, it’s hard to see them as anything other than a rebuilding team. They just don’t have enough talent around Tulo and Carlos Gonzalez to put a winning team on the field, and the marginal difference between having Lopez and White in the bullpen is unlikely to manifest itself in any significant way next year. Even if it’s a +1 win upgrade, that win is probably not going to be the difference between Colorado making the playoffs or watching at home, and so while it’s still worth making intelligent upgrades, the Rockies shouldn’t be borrowing from their future to make those kind of small upgrades right now.
White’s future might not be that bright. If Lopez can keep his elbow in tact, he’s a good bet to be a solid reliever, even in Colorado. But I just don’t see why the Rockies should be using young talent to acquire bullpen upgrades when their team is in need of near total reconstruction.
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Yeah, this deal makes no sense at all to me.
2.17 ERA OMG!!!
Maybe the Rockies are hoping Lopez stays healthy and then try to get a bigger return at the trade deadline.
That or be able to deal Betancourt or Belisle. That’s the only way I can see this trade making sense.
They should be willing to move Betancourt or Belisle at the trade deadline irrespective of Wilton Lopez…
maybe they’ll finally lament and deal Betincourt or Belisle…
This, coupled with Nik’s above statement. They probably think they can use Betancourt at closer til he is traded in 2013, then use Lopez there the next few years. However, their SP is where the biggest hole is, and if White could possibly be an adequate starter in the next few years, they should have given him a longer look.
I just… I don’t even… What the hell Rockies?!
The Rockies have the worst baseball operations department in Major League Baseball.
Marlins
No, the marlins are relatively competitive despite no fans and a bad owner.
What the hell happened to the Rockies’ FO? A few years ago they were great, winning games in a tough division (and a tough park), with a team that was almost entirely homegrown. Since then, it’s been a quick slide to making one inexplicable move after another and some pretty horrible baseball.
This is where I point out that the Rockies have been sliding down precipitously since MLB started monitoring the humidor. SHENANIGANS!
You might also point out that they had Ubaldo and Hammel fall apart, lost Chacin and Delarosa to injury and have used 25 SP in the last 3 years. But hey Humidor!
There are two things things at work here that aren’t being accounted for
1.The Rockies are run by the Monfort family who put “values” ahead of all other things. Dick Monfort and Dan O’Dowd had several sit down interviews on Denver radio this last week. Among the many depressing things said were that Monfort overruled the scouting staff to take Reynolds over Longoria(it has long been rumored that Longoria’s rep as a “party guy” was part of that decision) and that they wanted to build a culture of value and asked that people “look beyond wins and losses” Alex White had an “extreme DUI” last year during ST last year and it was a bit of a surprise that they did not trade or suspend him then as he had embarrassed the org.
2. Of all the pitchers asked to partake in the 75pitch experiment White was the most vocal about his dissatisfaction, and said many concerning things along the line of feeling “good” about a game where he didn’t allow a run but used 75 pitches to get through 3 innings with 4 walks. The Rockies have made it clear that as they have no real chance of out bidding other teams in FA, and given the insane cost of trading for above average SP(Marcum or Garza anyone?) that they will focus on creating an “efficient” pitching staff and didn’t see white as being someone to get on board.
I don’t think they got great value for White but if this was a dump of an open malcontent they did a lot better than ATL did in the Escobar trade as Lopez is literally the perfect kind of pitcher for Coors Field.
Interesting take. Makes me wonder if pitchers desperate to get out of Coors might take inspiration from White’s behavior (not the DUI, but the other stuff).
after they traded for the most flyball-heavy pitcher in the majors (guillermo moscoso) to play in coors last year, I can never be surprised by any moves the rockies make
The Rockies have gone to the playoffs 2 in the last 5 years and were 1 game out on September 20th in 2010. They also went once in the 90’s In all playoff years they had an above average offense, an excellent bullpen and got surprising contributions from veterans.
Their 07 starting five in April included Rodrigo Lopez(82ERA+ in 05-06), Josh Fogg(92ERA+05-06), Hirsch(74ERA+ 06) that staff gave 16 starts to Elmer Dessens, Mark Redman, and Taylor Bucholtz
Their 09 starting five included Marquis(90ERA+06-08), Delarosa(82ERA+06-08), Hammel(76ERA+06-08)
The plan this year appears to be hoping that Delarosa and Chacin recover from injury to be the 3.9 FIP pitchers they were 09-11, that Pomeranz, Nicasio, Friedrich, Chatwood, and Cabrera take a step forward and that they add a vet in the Marquis mold to hopefully add some stability.
Good supplemental Pogue. I think the whole “good values” thing needs to be taken into account on every Rockies transaction. It’s become pretty clear that this has a major influence on their decision making process.
I don’t think the Rockies are nearly as far away from contending as you say. Last year wasn’t pretty, but you can attribute quite a bit to the massive pile of injuries, bad luck, youth, and some questionable acquisitions. They have done quite a bit to rid themselves of those you did not preform. The NL West has historically always been a variable league with no dominate team, so it makes sense that any team can compete any year. The Rockies are really only one stable starter away from being back in the picture.
Besides, White was terrible. His flat fastball makes him incredibly home run prone, especially since he has yet to show any hint of commanding it. Add in the fact he seems to be a bit of a head-case, the Rockies were probably pretty smart to move on while he had value.
The NL West has historically been all over the place, yeah, but with the Giants emerging as a dominant force and the Dodgers acquiring basically unlimited resources, there’s no reason to think it will stay that way. Colorado’s most realistic shot at the playoffs is through the second wild card, and that’s a long shot indeed.
Savvy move. While the Rockies are unlikely to improve much on a 62-100 record, that very record assumes that they will actually be able to get to the ninth inning in games so they can close the game out with a loss (or win as the case may be).
Lopez – in combo with Belisle and Betancourt – gives them a strong ability to get out of the 7th, 8th and 9th innings. So now all they need to do is find enough starting pitching to get into the 7th inning – or perhaps to find six more relievers so they can experiment with a one inning at a time approach to the season.
Sounds great!
You guys got who??? You bet I’m renewing for next year!
Trust me, the Rockies are THAT far away from competing. The owners are restrictive, O’Dowd doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing, and they can’t develop talent. This organization is in shambles.
The only way this turns positive for the Rox is if they deal betancourt before the season or early then let lopez close, build up his value and sell him at the deadline to a contending team with injuries or an unsteady late inning arm (tigers?) that is clearly more concerned with the present than their future, and net themselves a couple decent prospects to fill out their many holes, in this case, probably looking for GB artists that have better profiles to start effectively than White did. If that isn’t the plan, I’m lost.
The other puzzling part of the deal is that the Rockies gave up a second player in Alex Gillingham who also has an intriguing high GB%/low BB%.
as a 23-24yo in low A
He was 22, that’s still old for the league but still younger than what you said
According to Pitch f/x, every single one of White’s pitches is well below average. His K/BB was awful last year. On the road, it was under one. I honestly don’t see why you’re saying this was a bad trade for the Rox. White may have already shown us that he has no future. As fas as I can tell, best case scenario, Lopez gets flipped to a desperate team for a better prospect at the deadline, a la Edward Mujica and Mike Adams