Royals Sign First Baseman for $140 Million Less Than Padres

Even if you’ve been living under a rock or taking a between-jobs vacation, you’re probably aware that the Royals lost their longtime first baseman and franchise staple, Eric Hosmer, to free agency. Earlier this month, the Padres signed Ol’ Hos to an eight-year, $144 million deal, no doubt because their new head of Research and Development lobbied for the move (even after having previously declared him one of the winter’s free-agent landmines).

On Wednesday, the Royals filled their positional vacancy by committing $140.5 million less than the Padres did, inking Lucas Duda to a one-year, $3.5 million deal with plate-appearance-based incentives — $100,000 for reaching 300 PA, and for each 25 PA interval up to 600 PA — possibly yielding another $1.3 million.

While Duda and Hosmer are both listed at 6-foot-4, swing left-handed, and crossed paths in the 2015 World Series — most notably when the latter’s wild throw home in the ninth inning of Game 5 allowed the former to score the game-tying run — there are obviously some differences between the two. Hosmer, a 2008 first-round pick out of a Florida high school, has dark hair but is viewed within the industry as something of a golden boy, while Duda, a 2007 seventh-round pick out of the University of Southern California, is blond but seems to have been treated like the proverbial red-headed stepchild.

Where Hosmer, who’s headed into his age-28 season, owns four Gold Gloves and has made an All-Star team, Duda is headed into his age-32 season and hasn’t won any hardware. Hosmer is an iron man who’s played at least 152 games in a season six times in the past seven years, including 162 last year and 478 out of a possible 486 over the past three. Duda has reached the 152-game mark only once (2014) and has averaged 103 games over the past three years due to back and elbow woes. Hosmer hits a lot of ground balls, tends to use the whole field, doesn’t strike out or walk all that much, and owns a career batting average of .284. Duda, meanwhile, is a fly-ball-oriented pull hitter who walks and whiffs with more frequency and has hit just .242.

For all of that, the two players aren’t as far apart as either that brief summary or their guaranteed future earnings suggest. Hosmer’s career batting line of .284/.342/.439 is good for a 111 wRC+, while Duda’s .242/.340/.457 line crunches down to a 120 wRC+. Both have tattooed righties well enough over the course of their careers (123 wRC+ for Hosmer, 132 for Duda) and neither has hit a lick against lefties (87 wRC+ for Hosmer, 84 for Duda). The Royals tended to keep their guy in the lineup against southpaws nonetheless: 32.8% of Hosmer’s career plate appearances have come against lefties, compared to 24.0% for Duda. Presumably, some of that is because the Royals placed a high value on having Hosmer’s glove at first base; while he may get high marks from observers, both Defensive Runs Saved (-21 runs) and Ultimate Zone Rating (-29) show him well into the red. Duda, despite some hilariously godawful work in the outfield corners earlier in his career (-38 DRS, -49 UZR), is nonetheless a thoroughly competent first baseman (+9 DRS, +1 UZR).

All of which is to say that the separation between the two has more to do with perception than reality, admittedly amplified by the wide gap between their 2017 performances. In a season of record-setting home-run totals, both matched their career highs (25 for Hosmer, 30 for Duda), with Hosmer additionally setting new career highs in all three slash stats (.318/.385/.498), wRC+ (135), and WAR (4.1). The last figure is the latest manifestation of a very Saberhagen-esque career pattern: while he’s been pretty good in odd-numbered years (10.8 WAR in 2013, -15, and -17), he’s turned into a replacement-level mess in even-numbered ones (-1.8 WAR in 2012, -14, and -16).

Duda, for his part, hit a combined .217/.322/.496/113 wRC+, with a career-worst batting average overshadowing his career-best slugging percentage, and a Rob Deer-like post-trade stint in Tampa Bay (.175/.285/.444, with a 49% three-true-outcome rate) obscuring a solid but injury-abbreviated swan song with the Mets (.246/.347/.532). He finished with just 1.1 WAR, that on top of a dreadful 0.1 in 2016 (albeit in just 47 games). In 2014-15, though — the Royals’ heyday, remember? — he outproduced Hosmer, 6.2 WAR to 3.5.

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At the outset of the offseason, much was made of agent Scott Boras’s efforts to justify a $200 million contract for Hosmer. In one of his infamous three-ring binders, he cited his client’s media skills, leadership skills, and bilinguality as major assets; tried to quantify such intangibles; and threw around the term “prestige value.” I’m not dismissing the value of all of that so much as I’m noting the intensity of the marketing effort. Hosmer’s popularity and leadership make him a fine poster boy for the Padres’ rebuilding program, somebody who might put fannies in seats while the team slowly turns its fortunes around.

Duda, by comparison, has a reputation as quiet and somewhat camera-shy, though after he was traded, former Mets teammate Neil Walker described him as “a great guy and great teammate,” while Curtis Granderson tried to make him a star on Instagram. But it’s likely that nobody buys a ticket specifically to see Lucas Duda. The Beverly Hills Sports Council, which represents him, didn’t put out a three-ring binder on his behalf. No word on whether they priced out space for him on the side of a milk carton.

Even with Duda’s recent struggles and four-year age disadvantage, the 2018 projections indicate little difference between the two where 2018 is concerned. In our Depth Charts, Duda is forecast for 1.5 WAR in 525 PA, Hosmer 2.1 WAR in 630 PA. Prorate the two to the same number of plate appearances and the gap is roughly three runs. The Royals, in the wake of losing Hosmer, Lorenzo Cain, and (probably) Mike Moustakas, are projected for just 69 wins. In a market full of low-cost, power-hitting first base options — Matt Adams, Yonder Alonso, Adam Lind, Logan Morrison, Mike Napoli, Mark Reynolds – they didn’t have to spend much, so they did not.

Duda is merely the first in a series of placeholders until 2017 first-round pick Nick Pratto is ready for the majors, with minor leaguers such as Hunter Dozier and Ryan O’Hearn awaiting their turns sometime in between. If Duda remains in the upright position, he’ll be a bargain, and it says something about the threadbare Kansas City offense that his 1.5 WAR is actually the third highest among the team’s position players behind only Salvador Perez and Whit Merrifield, though if he’s even that good, there’s a high probability he’ll be part of an outbound transaction come late July. Given the way that Kaufman Stadium can suppress left-handed power, it may not be the most ideal landing spot for the big slugger, but this one probably won’t be staying long. Yes, the Duda abides.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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mikejuntMember
8 years ago

Poor Dave can’t even defend himself.

This is great.

By the title I thought this was a Jeff Sullivan article.

JoserMember since 2021
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

That’s OK. What are the odds he reads this?

southie
8 years ago
Reply to  Joser

He’s probably bored and 100% he reads it

JoserMember since 2021
8 years ago
Reply to  southie

Once again the lack of a sarcasm tag defeats me.

Mike NMN
8 years ago

How many ways can we scratch our heads on the Hosmer signing? Or, is he just the one guy for whom advanced metrics miss it all? Remarkable the difference between inferred value and actual paycheck.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

The Padres have given two reasons:
1) Intangibles/leadership…they think he’ll help build a winning culture
2) They thing the defensive metrics don’t capture what Hosmer does well at first base

I think there are some real questions about how well leadership translates from one clubhouse to the next. If that works, then I guess it’s better than lighting your money on fire. I don’t know if it will.

I think the other big reason is that AJ Preller thinks his team can make Hosmer more consistent. I think that if you spend that much money on a guy, he shouldn’t be a fixer-upper. He might come out ahead on the gamble but that doesn’t make it a good gamble at all.

Mike NMN
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

KC was willing to pay him as well, just not quite so much, and they apparently saw the same virtues. Given the Alex Gordon disaster, I would have thought they would have been more cautious, but there’s obviously something about Hosmer that attracts a certain type of suitor. I’m interested to see what happens to Moose.

RoyalsFan#14321
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

I always thought the Gordon signing was a bit of a payback on the part of Dayton Moore, keeping local guy around.

*that said*

Gordon couldn’t seriously have lost the ability to play baseball overnight.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

But Hosmer was already a “leader” with “strong intangibles” on the Royals. There was no question as to whether that would translate to a new team if the Royals signed him.

Also, the Royals’ offer was apparently 5 years and about $100 million (https://twitter.com/RobertMurrayFRS/status/965615465333690368), with no opt-out (https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/royals_didnt_include_opt_out_in_hosmer_offer/s1_11773_25748219), and back-loaded (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article200806399.html).

That is a far cry from 8 years, $144 million, front-loaded, with an opt-out.

Jon
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If leadership was so important, they should have doubled what the Dodgers resigned Chase Utley for and saved about $135 Million in the process.

Your last paragraph hits the nail on the head. Preller has made a few good moves, but overall he’s really destroyed this franchise.

TrueandCorrect
8 years ago
Reply to  Jon

2nd best farm. Tatis, Urias, et. al. are the real deal.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  TrueandCorrect

If he started the rebuild when he got to SD, they would already be a contender.

KnucklebearMember since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Padres didn’t want a player for the 2018 season but a player that would contribute in 2020ish (while providing leadership/intangibles in the short term).

You can argue that Hosmer may be less valuable in later years but with this in mind it wouldn’t make any sense for the Padres to consider an older player with questionable intangibles like Duda.

There’s also the value of perception among other players and the fans. The Padres are trying to build legitimacy and enthusiasm which has been sorely lacking and Duda wasn’t going to provide those things.

liveatthesyndergaardenMember since 2017
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

on the non-WAR aspect of club marketing, one thing omitted in the Hosmer discussions is his unique poster boy qualities. He’s a half-latin surfer dude, a personality mix that should play well in South Cali. Not sure how many butts that puts in the seats or if it will raise any extra ad revenue, but should be helpful for both sponsors and Padres fans.

maumanntsMember since 2022
8 years ago

I can’t believe there isn’t one smart GM/front office that doesn’t look at marginal/undervalued free agency as a possible new market efficiency and swoop in with $30-40 million and grab as many players as possible with one- or two-year deals plus incentives. You could still be in rebuilding mode and stay somewhat competitive short-term (hello, Detroit).

revolu
8 years ago
Reply to  maumannts

I think that’s kinda what the Jay’s tried to do this season, sign/trade for a bunch of 2-3 WAR players to raise their floor. Hope for better performances from their underachievers and bridge that gap to their youngsters

williamnyy
8 years ago
Reply to  maumannts

The problem with that approach is it is, itself, inefficient. If you buy enough lottery tickets, some will be winners, but will it be enough to offset the losers? Consistency and relative certainty are valuable commodities for teams trying to win now. As for those rebuilding, it’s probably not worth allocating playing time to players who are likely just passing through, especially when there is no reasonable guarantee that these bargains will actually keep you competitive. If the goal is to stay competitive during a rebuild, it would probably be better to sign 1 or 2 players for bigger money so they can both produce and help lay the groundwork for the emerging team.

HughesMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

In the cases of the Jays, they’re not really lottery tickets. They’re raising both the floor and ceiling.

Bullpen is some throw at the wall and see what sticks though. Several of those pieces have term and could become tickets to successful players.

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  Hughes

It would’ve worked better if they had gone after actual 2-3 WAR players instead of the 1-2 WAR players they actually got.

Twitchy
8 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Grichuk is a reasonable bet to be a 2-3 WAR player if he gets playing time, which he will. Unless Granderson is done being useful I’d say he’s 2-3 WAR. Garcia if he’s healthy should be 2-3 WAR. Seems they did exactly what you’re asking for.

ThomServo
8 years ago
Reply to  maumannts

There were 30 MLB front offices with key people too smart to fall for the Boras/CAA/ESPN (and sadly fangraphs) talking points.

Other than Cozart, Frazier and maybe Dyson, almost no FAs were undervalued (and clubs did sign those players).

Clubs only get 8/9 lineup spots and 5 SP spots to dedicate to either veterans or younger players. A rebuilding club needs to use these 13/14 regular spots to give Hoskins or an Olson a chance to get traction. The value of those breakthroughs far exceeds what Philly or Oakland could have had with a Moustakas type.

Detroit is smart to avoid overpriced FAs, there is no spot on their roster that is better off going to Arrieta or Moustakas than it is going to a player with a chance to be the next Olson or the next Hoskins.

willl
8 years ago
Reply to  ThomServo

“Other than Cozart, Frazier and maybe Dyson, almost no FAs were undervalued (and clubs did sign those players).”

That’s not true.

Some more undervalued FAs (that were well below Crowdsourced predictions):
W. Castillo
Duda
J. Garcia
C. Gomez
Kendrick
Maybin
Morrison
Nunez
Pineda
A. Reed
Sabathia
Watson

Dave TMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  maumannts

The number of roster spots – both 25-man and 40-man – is a limit on pursuing that idea in bulk. Echoing williamnyy’s point, this idea also has to compete with other ways to allocate some of those spots to players who have more long-term upside for a rebuilding team. That can be taking players in the Rule 5 draft, or playing a team’s own AAAA players or marginal prospects with the idea that some of them might exceed mean projections. The Tigers, for example, did take a player (Victor Reyes) in the Rule 5 draft this offseason.

The marginal FA’s might have higher mean projections, but the upside for the team from its own marginal prospect (or a Rule 5 pick) is finding a useful player with long-term team control. The upside from a marginal free agent is short-term good performance on a 1-year contract, maybe with a team option year, which in reality probably still isn’t going to make the team very good. The way to get value beyond adding a win or two to a roughly 70 win team is to flip the player at the trade deadline for prospects, which isn’t always that easy for a position player depending on the needs of contenders.

I think that we do see more of this idea for pitchers, because all teams need so many of them and because it’s pretty well-established that there’s always some trade deadline market for pitchers (especially relievers). Taking the example of the Tigers, they have signed both Mike Fiers and Francisco Liriano to major league contracts this offseason and also signed Travis Wood to a minor league deal.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

Positional flexibility, too. One of the reasons the market for “corner guys” or 1B/DH types seems to be collapsing is probably the fielding side — with fewer position players on the average roster, it gets hard to construct a lineup if you accumulate too many Dudas.

JoserMember since 2021
8 years ago

But all you really need is one Duda — he really ties the room together.

Jon
8 years ago
Reply to  maumannts

Because if they’re in rebuilding mode, they don’t want their young guys blocked by the mediocre veterans they signed, bargain price or not. Also the value of a marginal win is much less to them, so in that lens, you could argue that they wouldn’t be getting a bargain price after all.

emh1969
8 years ago

Meanwhile Dave predicted 1 year, $10 million and the crowd was at 2 years, $18 million. Based on that, this seems like a great value signing for the Royals.

And fits in with the recent article (by Travis?) saying that the lower-end free agents were the ones getting squeezed.

Which makes sense. If Duda has an off-year, he’s basically worthless. Whereas if J.D. Martinez has an off-year, he can still help you. Of course, if Hosmer has an off-year….

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I think the moral of the story about Duda is: If you’re limited to first base and have platoon splits, you better be a really good hitter or else you’re going to struggle on the market. He’s like a Matt Adams clone except he’s more brittle.

Personally, if I was that worried about cost that I would dump Moss rather than take back talent, I would have tried O’Hearn out at first just to see what he has. Duda’s alright, but I’d rather see what I have from the young guys anyway.

Duda had a couple of good years for the Mets, but he didn’t seem the same this season after last year’s disaster. It really does seem more likely that Hosmer is going to out-produce Duda this year and going forward, but Duda makes more sense for a team that likely won’t compete for the next 3-4 years.

This deal is just a big “meh”…it’s probably just to show the fans that the team hasn’t totally given up on 2018, although it really has. It’s like the Escobar signing…you’re signing him…why?

Six Ten
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s just so weird that the organization has several middling minor league first basemen who are in the vicinity of 25 years old who won’t get a sniff of the position.

This article lumps Hunter Dozier in there, which is a real possibility even though first base is a waste of his arm; since they started trying to move him off third, they’ve bounced him around and landed him nowhere, even though he’d probably be better at third than Cheslor Cuthbert. O’Hearn was the guy everyone expected to step in and be a competent below-average first baseman, but his numbers didn’t improve last year when he moved to a better run environment in AAA. And there’s also Frank Schwindel, who seems like an okay pull-happy hitter except he never, ever, ever walks.

What’s the reason to keep all three of those guys in the minors? Duda is a fine midseason trade piece, but I doubt he’d bring back more value than the value of being a spot higher in every round when the 2019 draft comes around. And anyway, if there’s a chance one of your too-old-to-be-a-prospect minor leaguers can become a 2 WAR player for a few seasons, don’t you owe it to yourself/those prospects/the fans to find out?

ShauncoreMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

“If you’re limited to first base and have platoon splits, you better be a really good hitter or else you’re going to struggle on the market. ”

Duda career vs LHP: 86 wRC+
Hosmer career vs LHP: 87 wRC+

Duda past 3 years vs LHP: 100 wRC+
Hosmer past 3 years vs LHP: 91 wRC+

Hosmer did just fine for a guy who historically hasn’t hit lefties very well.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Shauncore

Yeah, but Eric Hosmer’s last year is being treated like his whole career. Halo effects and whatnot.

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You sign these kind of guys to act as placeholders so you aren’t rushing your prospects. Meanwhile, you can also put a few extra wins on the board to make sure you aren’t completely terrible and give the fans some reasons to come to the ballpark while you rebuild. It’s better than just completely tanking, in my opinion.

alpha309
8 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

You also flip these guys at the deadline to teams competing for the WC for a lottery ticket prospect. Nothing exciting, but that is a benefit, and can be worth the 3-5 mil it takes to sign some of these guys.

williamnyy
8 years ago

I think the difference in age and durability are much bigger factors than presented here. With Hosmer just entering his prime, there is good reason to believe he has a higher ceiling, so, when you throw in the perceived intangibles, his $18 million salary doesn’t seem outlandish. In fact, if you compare to him to the likes of Encarnacion, Santana, Belt, and Davis, his salary looks quite reasonable. Obviously, if Duda has a year like 2014/15, he becomes a bargain, but ultimately he is nothing more than a roll of a dice.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

I don’t entirely disagree with you but Santana and Belt are better players on less expensive contracts (and Encarnacion was too when he signed).

EasyenoughMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

I’m not sure it’s settled fact, but my impression is that Fangraphs has been pointing to 26 as the new peak over the last few years and that after 28 hitters don’t tend to get better (unless they change something). Obviously, that means Duda is even further removed from his “peak” so the relative value part of your argument still works.

Shalesh
8 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

I view Hosmer as being paid $28M/year with his opt-out after 5 years (thinking about his last 3 years as zero WAR). If he exercises his opt-out after 5 years (ie, he’s still good), his contract is still 5 years, $105M or $21M/year. I’d rather have Encarnacion or Santana.

If the Padres were at a point where current marginal wins are more important, maybe it’s not outrageous, though still bad. I guess the best I could say is that the signing shows “collusion” accusations to be ridiculous and that Boras still has the power to get teams to engage in idiotic spending.

Friar44
8 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

You going to barf when Hosmer makes the Padres more consistent?

v2miccaMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Friar44

A player that averages a 3 fWAR swing in production per season is supposed to bring consistency? I could very well be wrong, but I predict that Hosmer’s clubhouse leadership intangibles will prove to be as overrated as his defensive skills.

TrueandCorrect
8 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

You’d rather have Ency or Santana ? For your future ? Disagree 100%. Like Hosmer. Team is better. Need pitching, and that will come. Envy or Santana, please. Ency’s a d.h. No comparison. Homer’s a stud. Plays every game. Every at bat. Santana getting $20 per yr. for 3 yrs. How old is he ? How more frequently has he been injured.
Good job Preller. Hoping to see the Yankees and Padres plat a couple of world series’ over the next several years.

willl
8 years ago
Reply to  TrueandCorrect

Get off FanGraphs, Boras. You’re drunk.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  TrueandCorrect

If you want to sign a guy for the future, you should sign them *in the future*.

Signing a depreciating asset because of what they bring 3-4 years from now is not a good decision.

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  williamnyy

28 is is the middle of your prime, not just entering it. There’s no reason to think Hosmer will get any better.

HoplarskoMember since 2017
8 years ago

SacBunt Chris, a SABR-minded blogger who writes about the Padres, recently posited that a large chunk of Hosmer’s defensive deficiencies are due to poor positioning — namely he has played too close to the line, reducing his range for covering fair territory. Could that be the leading reason behind the lousy defensive metrics? I am a huge Padres fan and will cling to anything that gives me some hope Hosmer’s contract will work out and I have a good measure of trust in SacBunt Chris’s research and writing. But it would also pass the sniff test. Hosmer is fast and athletic compared to most first basemen. It seems extremely strange that he would be such a sub-par defender. That being said, I’d love for FanGraphs to give it a look and verify.

HoplarskoMember since 2017
8 years ago
Reply to  Hoplarsko

My bad. The blogger is SacBunt Dustin! https://twitter.com/sacbuntdustin

ShauncoreMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Hoplarsko

I don’t think my original comment is going to make it through the filter since I posted several outside links (here is the most pertinent one: https://www.royalsreview.com/2011/11/3/2535279/why-does-uzr-hates-eric-hosmers-defense), but this has been known and covered for years (since 2011 at the earliest). Seems like a really bad excuse that positioning would be doing him in for seven years and the Royals never changed anything for something so simple.

I wouldn’t call Hosmer fast either. Per Statcast:

Martinez, Jose 27.6
Hosmer, Eric 27.5
Jones, Ryder 27.4
Thames, Eric 27.3
Valencia, Danny 27.2

Per Speed Score:

2014: 3.1
2015: 4.9
2016: 2.8
2017: 3.4

He’s a below average baserunner with top 5-ish speed for a 1B. Maybe you could make the argument that he’s kind of fast for a first baseman, but he’s not fast overall.

WoundedSprinterMember since 2018
8 years ago

The Duda abides.” Well played, sir!

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2020
8 years ago

Someone sign Domingo Ayala already!

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
8 years ago

Always happy for the support!

Mike NMN
8 years ago

One thing about the “clubhouse” leader thing I wanted to ask people’s opinions on. It seems to me that with the exception of catchers (who are by definition often authoritative) you probably need to be able to produce (or have produced, in the case of veteran stars) on the field for your team to be credible.
Hosmer’s making a ton of money–I would guess he’s going to need to earn it on the field enough to maintain credibility in the clubhouse.
What do people think?

tung_twista
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

Do you think Angels players don’t respect Pujols?

World series ring gives you credibility.
Giant contract gives you credibility.
Whether these ‘should’ give you credibility is a different matter
but Hosmer will certainly not be lacking credibility in the clubhouse until he loses playing time.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

I was going to disagree with you but then I saw you had listed catchers, and that are the only exceptions I can think of too.

Every so often there’s a guy like Jonny Gomes who hangs around because he’s a good influence on the younger players, but it is best when your highest paid players are your leaders and who actually produce.

Ducas
8 years ago

I’d buy a ticket just to see Lucas. Keep the DudaGraphs articles coming!

rosen380
8 years ago

On another board I looked for some comps– I opted for age 28-31 to exclude the years where Duda was stuffed into the OF. I looked for player who:
* were +/- 10% of Duda’sPA
* were +/- 0.5 fWAR/600 PA
* were +/- 5 runs of (DEF+BSR)/600PA
* 1970 onward

I got 12 players if we exclude Paul Schaal who retired after his age 31 season. The dozen players averaged 0.8 fWAR as 32 year olds and 1.2 fWAR total over two years.

And the latter includes Glenn Davis who retired after his age 32 season. Count him as 0 PA and 0 fWAR for the second year and you drop a little- if he was on a two year deal, he probably tries to stick around to collect the check as a below replacement player player and you could then drop the average a little more.

Relative to these comps, he’d only be a little underpaid.

List:
Brandon Moss
Cleon Jones
Dan Driessen
Dave Kingman
Dave Parker
Geronimo Berroa
Glenn Davis
Hal Morris
Hanley Ramirez
Josh Willingham
Justin Morneau
Mike Sweeney

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  rosen380

The Brandon Moss comp hits home in a number of ways.

Slappytheclown
8 years ago

While I agree that Hosmer signing is odd in the context of how many 1B/DH types like Duda are available, and I also agree that talent and WAR is a pre-requisite to a winning team, having played baseball for years I could also say there is something to be said for ‘the clubhouse’ guys. The guys that are always around to ask questions of, to lend an ear when you are in a 1 for 25 slump, the guys that will watch extra video with you, etc. 162 games is a long time, you don’t want your clubhouse full of guys eating fried chicken every day or full of Delmon Youngs. Of course, lots of guys fit this mold as well, so quantifying it’s value is tough given the supply, etc.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  Slappytheclown

Clubhouse value may indeed be hard to quantify precisely, but it’s significantly more likely that it’s worth $140 than that it’s worth $140MM.

yellowpineapple
8 years ago

I guess we’ve reached that bizzare point in time where it’s possible that Dayton Moore made a more analytically defensible move than Dave Cameron.

RedsManRickMember since 2020
8 years ago

We really need a “Cave Dameron” to start commenting and giving us the inside story…

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago

“Hosmer, a 2008 first-round pick out of a Florida high school, has dark hair but is viewed within the industry as something of a golden boy, while Duda, a 2007 seventh-round pick out of the University of Southern California, is blond but seems to have been treated like the proverbial red-headed stepchild.”

This is one of the best sentences I’ve read on Fangraphs in a while.

RK
8 years ago

Every time I read an article that brings up the narrative about how Hosmer is a great clubhouse presence and has valuable leadership ability/intangibles/etc., I can’t help but think of Eno’s article about when he was essentially bullied by Hosmer and Moustakas:

https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/learning-the-language-of-the-clubhouse/

Now, it might have been an isolated incident or there may have been some misinterpretation going on by Eno, but on the surface it doesn’t look like Hosmer’s personality is really worth paying a premium for.