Ryan Goins Is the New Reason We’ll Never Understand Baseball
So, I’m browsing around Twitter. I’m not looking for anything in particular, but then something catches my eye. It isn’t a tweet — it’s a trend, based on a series of tweets, happening somewhere outside of my circle. You know how trends work. The thing I saw Tuesday evening:
I’m not unaccustomed to seeing baseball topics pop up over there. They tend to mirror the ongoing action, and sometimes the trends are accompanied by featured links to stories. This one linked to an article from Jeff Blair. The teaser is something made just for me: It suggests a change in performance, following a change in approach. I’m a total sucker for that genre. I’m fascinated by stories of baseball players who work hard to make themselves better. What was throwing me in this case was the name. I consider myself prepared for most players to improve.
This is about Ryan Goins.
This won’t include random ball-in-play nonsense. Goins hasn’t been riding a wave of singles like that first time Willie Bloomquist played. Those streaks are easy enough to dismiss. But let me frame this for you. Let’s look at the highest individual walk rates since the All-Star break. First: Joey Votto. Totally normal. He’s actually first by a landslide. Have you looked at his numbers? Look at his numbers. They’re silly. That should be a separate post. Anyhow, in second: Bryce Harper. Yeah, why not? Then third, Dexter Fowler. He’s always drawn a bunch of walks. Good eye. Fowler is followed by the expected, unsurprising Joc Pederson. Pederson is followed by the expected, unsurprising Paul Goldschmidt. Then you get to Ryan Goins. More than 16% walks, none of which, of course, have been intentional. As I wrote this paragraph, Goins drew another walk, this time against the Indians. Said walk:
Maybe this doesn’t quite sing to you. Maybe you don’t know much about Goins. That wouldn’t be your fault. Goins was never that remarkable. Wasn’t even anything in this season’s first half. He was a totally forgettable, relatively unhelpful utility guy. He was the guy behind Devon Travis. Travis got hurt, then Travis got re-hurt. Enter Goins. Enter the walks.
Let me tell you a little about what Ryan Goins was. Between 2013 and 2014, there were 442 players who batted at least 250 times. Goins ranked 436th in wRC+. Goins ranked 439th in walk rate. Dreadful numbers. In this year’s preseason projections, Goins ranked in the lowest 3% in projected wOBA, and in the lowest 10% in projected walk rate. Offensive ability wasn’t present. It hadn’t been present in the high minors. Even this year, Goins didn’t do a lot early.
Now for an excerpt from the Blair post:
Turns out the key to this change is nothing – or, more precisely, doing nothing with the bat other than resting it on his shoulders. Seriously … that’s it?
“That’s really it,” Goins said Sunday […] `The change was made because the hitting coaches (Brook Jacoby and Eric Owens) knew I wasn’t going to be playing a lot when everybody was healthy – that I was going to be a utility guy – so the idea was to make myself as simple as possible at the plate so I wouldn’t get blown away by velocity.’”
Visuals would probably help. Goins from a couple months ago:
Goins, more recently:
You wouldn’t think much of it. It seems so simple, and it’s not entirely clear how this helps, mechanically. But hitting is complicated, and the mechanical analysis can follow the numerical analysis. Here’s a table of numbers. Goins made his adjustment in the vicinity of the All-Star break. So, look at Goins’ career up to the break, and what he’s done since:

| Time | O-Swing% | Z-Swing% | Swing% | PA | BB | OBP | wRC+ |
| Through 2015 ASB | 36% | 54% | 45% | 525 | 19 | 0.248 | 49 |
| Since 2015 ASB | 26% | 46% | 35% | 105 | 17 | 0.400 | 128 |
The thought is that Goins is a little quicker to the ball. By removing time from his swing, he buys a little extra time to look at the pitch, which can be beneficial for plate discipline. Discipline is part about eyes, and part about hitting mechanics. The argument now is the mechanics let Goins exercise better control of the zone. It’s hard to swing that much less often by accident. Goins has clearly been more patient, nearly equaling his previous walk total in a fifth of the plate appearances. I didn’t know pitchers were throwing Ryan Goins that many balls, but, here we are.
It reminds me, a little bit, of Reggie Willits. Willits sticks out in my memory for his high walk rate, despite his relative talentlessness. But Willits never hit a home run. His career ISO was .044. Goins isn’t strong, but he is strong enough to do this:
Again, that’s a hard thing to fake. So Goins has a little more capability to punish. So then he has a slightly higher ceiling — a slightly better chance of keeping pitchers out of the zone more regularly.
Please don’t mistake this as now declaring Goins to be a good hitter. I don’t yet buy him as a good hitter, specifically because of his record of being such a bad hitter. That takes a while to forget, and pitchers deserve a chance to adjust. They deserve a chance to try to pound Goins with more strikes, so he can’t sit back and take his base. But Goins recently has been doing something he’s never done in the major leagues. For a whole calendar month, he produced like a hitter more than 50% better than average. He hit some baseballs hard, and he drew walks more often than almost anyone else in the game. Over recent weeks, Ryan Goins has resembled a legitimate, quality middle infielder. Yeah, he’s been about as good as he could ever dream of being. He’s going to walk less often than this. But, this is Ryan Goins. Consider what used to be Ryan Goins. It really is a small miracle. I don’t know who’s next, but if it can be Goins, it can be anyone.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.




It actually seems more like he just isn’t swinging at anything. He stopped swinging at pitches outside the zone and inside the zone. He obviously can’t say he’s not going hi swing at anything it pitchers will just throw him meatballs.
I’m guessing he’s just not swinging at anything at all close.
he swung last night…
He is on an 11 game hit streak. He is swinging the bat, but it seems at pitches he is more able to hit. Hard to ignore the career numbers but it definitely seems something has clicked.
“it definitely seems something has clicked”
Or, more likely, its a hot streak over a very small sample size. When you break it down the diffrence between sub-par-month-of-May-Goins and awesome-month-of-august-Goins is only handfull of better outcomes.
He’s hitting a lot of ground balls straight through the middle, past the pitcher’s mound.
Defenses will catch up to that, and his .babip/.avg will drop. But he’s the 9 hitter, and he’s in there for his defense, so you take what you can get.
Every player gets hot now and then. It’s great that he’s hot while the top of the lineup is hitting, too. Now Gibbons just needs to end the Ben Revere leadoff experiment.
It’s difficult for me to label a >100% increase in walk rate over a month-long stretch a “hot streak.” It seems like he’s taking a very different approach at the plate these past few weeks. Will it last? Who knows. But it is hard to believe a guy lucked his way to an extra dozen walks over 86 plate appearances.
Over 120 plate appearances, Tony Gwynn had only a handful of better outcomes than Ron Hunt.
or Lee Mazilli
Very interesting article. This is why I love baseball!
And none of this even discusses his elite defense at 2nd and Short. If this new patience is even slightly here to stay, a 80 wRC+ makes him a valuable infielder going forward on his run prevention alone. A sort of Pillar of the infield.
Let’s face it. The only reason that Goins got to MLB was because of his elite defense. It was good enough to balance out his awful bat to make Goins into replacement level or slightly better. His glove is good enough that even an 80 wRC+ bat turns him into an average value player overall.
Except that Pillar swings at absolutely everything. So, like Pillar in the aggregate, somehow, but also completely different. #baseball
Dear god yes. I wish someone could make this kind of change in Pillar’s approach. The guy swings at literally everything and walks less often than fat people at a WalMart
Pffft. You call that swinging at everything? Come at me, bro!
Pillar has the 6th-highest O-swing% in baseball among qualified hitters.
To be fair, a lot of Jays fans are shocked too. If someone claimed Ryan would actually be a hitter this year then I would have laughed till the tears rolled down my face. My reply would have been “Good one, next thing you’ll tell that Price and Tulo would end up as Jays…”
I’m as surprised as anyone that Goins is learning to hit, but couldn’t be happier. At the start of this season we had zero productive middle infielders (Reyes os paid more than he’s worth, and Travis we just dind’t know if his minor leafye success would translate). Now we somehow have three, two of which are elite defensive shortstops.
I got something to tell you
I got something to say
I’m gonna put this bat in motion
Never let no pitch get in my way
When that Goins gets pitched
That pitch get Goins
It’s always interesting to see how little changes, that seem so small to an outside observer, can make such a world of difference to a player’s game. Good article.
Also, Kermit-Denise is never going to last #teampiggy
Crazy thing, which Jeff alluded to a little, is that he’s also tagging the ball with some authority from time to time. Not sure exactly when the post was written, but last night Goins hit an extra inning walk off HR into the second deck. Always had a great glove, if he can hit even a little he’s a useful major league player.
Statcast had it as 100mph off the bat. No cheapie
would love to see some mid-career BB% increase comps. does this ever actually happen?
Sammy Sosa at 28. Ozzie Smith at 25, although he did draw walks in low A at 22. Eddie Gaedel didn’t make it to the majors until he learned to draw walks.
you got me excited with the ozzie comp but i don’t think it holds up. he walked plenty in his one milb season and his 7% as an mlb rookie was decent enough.
sammy kinda works but even he had a bb% well over 10% as a 20yr old in AAA.
there has to be other examples, no?
yeah.
Rec’d you solely for the Eddie Gaedel reference!
Conspicuously absent from this article is any mention of the fact that its timing is due to the fact that he hit the walkoff home run to win the game for Toronto last night in the tenth, for anyone reading this who didn’t already know that.
Video:
http://m.mlb.com/video/v440159583/cletor-goins-makes-terrific-catch-hits-380foot-hr
Pretty sure Jeff more or less said he had started writing the article well before the walk off home run.
The difference in talent between the best major leaguers and the worst major leaguers is smaller than a lot of people give it credit for. That’s why it’s so hard to predict baseball. The best guys could lose it at any moment and the worst guys could figure it out overnight.
It’s true. I’m practically Babe Ruth.
We are all Mike Trout when you really think about it.
Yes, but the OP was referring to baseball players, not candy bars.
Uhh…what? The difference between Mike Trout and the worst major league player is massive. I get what you’re saying, but its not really true.
Something like the worst major league players can play like the best over a small sample is certainly true. That’s why guys like Philip Humber can throw a no hitter.
500 AB’s, 150 hits = .300 hitter, massive contract
500 AB’s, 125 hits = .250 hitter, back to AAA
Difference is 25 hits, or less than one hit per week. Stop swinging at pitches outside the strike zone, as Goins has, and how many weak grounders to 3rd turn into base hits? It only takes one a week to make a him a good hitter, which with his glove, makes him a very good player.
This says more about hits and batting average. I assure you, a .300 hitter with an OPS below .700 isn’t going to getting a massive contract. On the other hand, two of the highest paid catchers this year are hitting below .250
“He was a totally forgettable, relatively unhelpful utility guy.”
“Please don’t mistake this as now declaring Goins to be a good hitter.”
“It really is f (sic) small miracle. I don’t know who’s next, but if it can be Goins, it can be anyone.”
I really enjoy your writing, and I fully understand that statistically speaking, Goins was (and likely still is) a below average hitter, but … can we try to remember that players like Goins (non-stars) probably read these articles, and the snarkiness, while admittedly mildly funny, is also unnecessary?
PS: I am a Jays fan, but this would apply to any article.
Everybody is awesome and gets a trophy for showing up!
I don’t consider that snark. I think it’s pretty much fair. He was inarguably not good. Now he’s red-hot! Based on our numbers, this is incredible.
Well it might also have been worth noting that Goins is one of the best defensive infielders in baseball and that that’s the reason he keeps getting chances. He clocks in among the top 10 defensive 2B in baseball in DRS, UZR and DEF since entering the league in 2013.
Yeah, he’s good out there. Could’ve thrown that in somewhere, but maybe it was implied, and mostly this was just about his hitting anyhow.
Totally agree. Good article, not snarky at all. Charmingly faux-naive (a phrase you don’t get to use very often) about the inherent unlikelihood of miracles.
If you are afraid of Goins getting his feelings hurt by this i pray you never look anywhere else on the internet.
Considering how much Jeff Francouer is always smiling despite what is said about him, I’m pretty sure this is an unwarranted concern.
I mean this in the nicest way possible
Ryan Goins is a major league ball player and you/we are not
he doth not care what we think, he is a major league ball player, and we are not
you are not going to hurt his feelings
Very true. It bears mention that even the worst major league players are superhuman baseball players. You put any mortal but standout player in a park league up against the most marginal major leaguer, and it’s not even close. A major league pitcher of any sort at all would absolutely blow away the best hitter most of us have ever played with in school, in a rec league, or even seen on the sandlot. He couldn’t even draw contact. Likewise, the best amateur pitcher any of us have seen would not be able to throw a single strike past the most marginal of major league hitters. These guys are in another universe. They have been all along. They know that.
I saw Letterman put a couple past Albert Pujols once, so I’ll have to respectfully disagree.
And that girl Jenny blew Pujols away
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What happened next did in fact blow my mind.
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He’s actually increased his career wRC+ by 15 points since August 2nd. 11 points since August 15.
*whoosh*
BB%
2015 Mar/Apr 3.10%
2015 May 6.00%
2015 Jun 5.70%
2015 Jul 7.10%
2015 Aug 18.60%
That’s silly!
That’s astounding. I didn’t realize just how big the increase was
Ryan Goins Is the New Reason We’ll Never Understand Baseball, but We’ll Always Love It
I’ve been saying this since last year- that this guy needs regular at bats. He is underrated forsure- just based on his defence value alone. He is an above average middle-infield. Now that he is hittin’ and hits a walkoff bomb to boot he will start to get recognition (probably to much).
I think this is more a product of how good the blue jays line-up is and how much it wears downs the opposition Sp. They see Ryan Goins up there and they lose a bit of focus, he’s hunting fastballs and laying off the off-speed stuff completely, unless of course you leave a hanger down the middle in the 10th inning. Thus, not swinging at bad pitches & hitting fastball a pretty good philosophy to have.
“not swinging at bad pitches & hitting fastball a pretty good philosophy to have.”
Yeah, of course. But this is like a stock broker giving you the advice “buy low, sell high”.
Goins is never going to be an average hitter – though he’s showing that he could have an average OBP, which is something. He’s having a nice little moment, but his absolute ceiling is probably somewhere just below Brendan Ryan.
Dude, Ryan Goins already was basically Brendan Ryan – one has a career wRC+ of 68, the other 64, both with elite defensive numbers. If Ryan Goins can put up even a league average OBP he’ll be a lot better than Brendan Ryan considering Goins has shown more power and outside of a two seasons at the start of his career Brendan has been an absolutely terrible hitter.
I thought of Brendan Ryan too. When he had an almost-average offensive season in 2009 (his age 27 season), he was worth 2.7 WAR:
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6073&position=SS
I might have said these same words about Brandon Crawford about a year ago.
You probably thought Jose Bautista was just an average RF with a good arm when he came over.
People grow and change. Goins said last year he got so much well-meaning advice from everyone, esp. Seitzer, that his mind was totally messed up. As Yogi said, you can’t think and hit at the same time. Now that he’s finally relaxed, knowing that he’s going to play, and he’s learned not to get himself out by swinging at bad pitches, he’s actually a good hitter – you don’t get 100 mph off your bat when you’re a bad hitter, and I’ve seen Ryan hit balls hard for a couple of years now.
Tulo, Travis, and Goins – that’s a trio of middle infielders you can build a championship team around, and they are all here for the next four years at least.
This makes me wonder if there is a psychological component to resting the bat on his shoulder. That for Goins, he becomes psychologically more passive for whatever reason (more relaxed, etc).
Goins, in an interview, said that Seitzer told him to take more pitches, and he got too caught up in thinking ‘should I swing or not?’ It’s not a case of being too passive; in fact, it’s the reverse. Goins is now looking for a pitch to hit, as opposed to swinging at anything.
Hitting is an act of controlled aggression. Passive hitters don’t last long in the majors.
The walk-off home run came one hour after this post was submitted. lol what
I’m a believer in goins, and think he can be an average regular. What trade value would Devon Travis have and who would be a comparable SP in a 1 for 1 swap? Andrew Heaney?
I was just thinking the same thing
Not sure why there is always such a rush among fans to trade players away when even the slightest talent surplus is detected. There’s nothing wrong with having three good middle infielders, given the nature of the sport today, with injuries, platoon situations, etc. Let’s just hold onto the guys we have and IF Goins is now good, be thankful.
Or do you keep Travis, and sell the recently-increased-value Goins?
With Tulo as your shortstop you hold on to both !
You want to consider trading away Devon Travis after seeing 1 month of this version of Goins? That’s crazy. Goins is not this good. He may be better than he was but this is a hot streak. In 238 AB’s this year, Travis laid down a 0.371 wOBA which is all-star territory. Granted, that is a small sample as well.
Lol wut. Why would you trade Travis? He is young and controllable and is a talented 2B. Doesn’t make any sense. The Jays have been weak at 2B for years.
Seems like it could be hard for Goins, mentally, to stick to a swing designed for a utility player if he stays at this kind of production. I guess that’s what all the cliches are for “stay inside yourself,” etc.
Also, seems like this article should be just as much for the hitting coaches. Can you imagine the conversation where they walk up to him and say, “we’ve been thinking: you don’t seem likely to amount to much, maybe being a bench player that sticks is your upside, so we’d like you to change your approach to where you just stand there.”
lol, I think it was more of short term suggestion that stuck.
“Hey Ryan, You know murders row is so good and opposing teams see you as the weak link..so you should hunt the fastball and don’t swing at literally anything that’s not right down the middle!”
This new Goins-Bot is a really nice surprise, considering his defense is good enough that he gets in the lineup without ever actually getting on base. Now he gets on base and still plays that defense.
Seriously, if you watch him every day, barely a game goes by where he doesn’t make some utterly ridiculous defensive play that makes you go “Wow!”. Recently, for example, despite being a second baseman, he caught a foul popup sort of near where Bautista is and his route and timing were 99.6% accurate from the time the bat hit the ball, jump and everything.
Marcus, is that you?
I love that I have superhero-like healing abilities.
It’s weird that the change is discussed as ‘keep the bat on your shoulder’. Aside from this head, the position of every part of his body has changed. He’s a bit more crouched, his stance is closed. There’s a lot going on, there.
As someone who watches every Blue Jays game (except vs Phillies since local blocks it out).. To me Goins went from a guy praying he could do something to impress everyone to become a guy who is confident he belongs…
It may be being around Tulo, Donaldson, Bautista, EE & it may be coaching but most Blue Jay hitters seem to have a total game plan when they go to the plate.. Goins seems the same way.. I don’t believe he will hit like this forever but he is starting to feel like the guy we want at 2nd for a long time
I still laugh and exclaim every time he hits a homerun. “Goins?!?” Weird to think of him as even a legitimately decent hitter, as opposed to a pitcher batting in disguise.
Ryan Goins also has a teammate in Bautista known for drastically altering the expected course of his own career.
And EE. And Colabello. And Dickey for that matter.
Second-half Joey Votto thinks he’s Ted Williams
A .581 on-base percentage ??!!??
There’s only one guy who’s ever done that, and it AIN’T Ted Williams
one other thing about Goins is that coaches have always liked him not only for his defense, but also because despite his horrid stats his swing hs always been a pretty nice one, and one which coaches would think they could unlock aome potential from.
goins must be on your good side if you capitalized his name
Yeah it’s def a swing that can work. He’s someone with a solid skills base. The tools may only take him so far but there is a ML baseball player in there.
“I don’t know who’s next, but if it can be Goins, it can be anyone.”
Even me?
Also looks like he basically halved his FB-rate and turned most of that into line drives
I get paid to pretend to work at a computer while reading Fangraphs
Dispense with the Trout love and just have a daily column related to fun Ryan Goins factoids and updates. Narrated by Burton Cummings, the voice of the Guess Who and BTO.
“Cummings & Goins”
#KeepNotgraphs
Beauty!
One minor correction,eh. Fred Turner was the vocalist with BTO (along with Randy Bachman).
Burton is versatile though. Ask any Canadian you know over 50 about his work with McLean and McLean.
JB, Burton Cummings was not the voice of BTO. That would be the T in BTO- Fred Turner.
You might choose Candy Cummings (now there’s a NotGraphs name if there ever was one) and the curveball he invented as the subject of Cummings and Goins…
Coke to Winipegged. With some rum in it for the classic NotGraphs name…
I have a great idea. I’m going to figure out who Candy Cummings was by doing a search on Google!
Genius! And it would get guaranteed airplay in Canada, since the addition of Cummings would qualify it as CanCon. (However, I have to correct you: Randy Bachman was in both BTO and the Guess Who as a guitarist; Cummings was the voice of the Guess Who but never sang for BTO. And it’s too bad the names aren’t switched, because Backman actually does a kind of narration thing on a weekly basis on CBC).
Randy Bachman is just takin’ care of business
Others have noted that Bachman wasn’t with BTO, but I’ll reword the sentence. It should read “Narrated by Burton Cummings, the voice of the Guess Who and Burton Cummings.”
After I turned off the TV last night I was asking myself the same question. No answer suggested itself. No here it is. Really nice article – thanks.
I had never heard of this group until recently, but apparently there are people called melungeons in the Cumberland area and other parts of the US, and one common surname is Goins. He’s from Texas, but maybe he had ancestors in Louisiana, where some are from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon
Fascinating stuff!
Thanks for the link
Interesting — apparently there’s a Goinstown area in North Carolina (that never was a town, but a region that seems to have been full of Goins).
Question is will he go back to obscurity once Devon Travis reclaims 2B??
If he keeps hitting like this, Jays will have an interesting if not delightful problem. Possibly eventually one could be traded, given Tulo’s arrival but it’ll be fun seeing them decide which. Assuming Travis doesn’t visit the DL again next year. And Goins keeps hitting.
Tulo. With him batting leadoff followed by Donaldson, Bautista and Encarnacion, Goins would probably see better pitches batting at or near the 9 spot.
A .250/.300/.350 line is just fine for a defensive wizzard like Goins on a club like the current BlueJays and he’s approached that fairly consistently in AAA. That said, while the guy is 27 he still qualified as an MLB rookie at 26 so he’s not had very much time to figure it out at this level. He’s just entering his prime years, so it’s not surprising to me that he has done what he’s supposed to be doing – adjusting and learning. The fact that one little change has done so much shouldn’t be surprising either especially giving the guys he has around him and the atmosphere in the clubhouse right now. There simply is no math for that, at least not so far.
Good point, its probably not *all* to do with his posture!
Tulowitzki will be the one traded. Don’t be fooled by a spending splurge on Price – that Rogers cat ain’t changing his spots. Tulo-Toronto was never intended to be a long-term relationship, by either side. The Jays had to chain Hoffman to Reyes just to arrive at a zero-sum trade value, which is exactly where Tulowitzki and his contract remain. The Jays hope he performs admirably in a long playoff run, and that TV-facetime and talking-head accolades convince the Mets he’s worth a cost-controlled arm.
Goins turning into a good hitter is fun to watch. With his great defense up the middle, any offensive improvement from him can really turn him into a useful player. It’s too early to call his recent play ‘for real’, but if it is, he can easily start at 2B or SS. As is, he’s a very solid utility infielder.