Scouting Dan Vogelbach and Co.
The Cubs had no room for Dan Vogelbach. Hit though he may, the absence of the designated hitter in the National League was always an inhibitor for his future there, to say nothing of the wealth of young bats the Cubs have amassed at or near the major-league level. For several months, Vogelbach was an obvious potential trade candidate simply because the Cubs had nowhere to put him. Yesterday, that trade occurred: Chicago sent Vogelbach and Paul Blackburn to Seattle in exchange for Mike Montgomery and Jordan Pries.
Then a third baseman, Vogelbach won a 3-A state baseball championship in high school at Bishop Verot High School in Fort Myers. He tipped the scales at close to 280 pounds at the time and was asked to shed weight early in his pro career with the Cubs. He’s now listed at 6-foot, 250 pounds. There are certainly baseball players built like Vogelbach who are still able to effectively execute all aspects of their given position. Stories about Bartolo Colon‘s athleticism or Livan Hernandez’s flexibility are common in scouting circles and it’s not impossible that someone built like Pablo Sandoval or John Kruk can maintain enough lateral agility to effectively play a corner infield spot. Vogelbach doesn’t appear to be one of those players. He’s not a good athlete and has issues with range, footwork, flexibility and throwing accuracy. He’ll make the occasional, spectacular-looking, effort-based play but hasn’t shown enough technical refinement in his five pro seasons to convince scouts he can play a position.
Because Vogelbach has always been, at best, a first-base-only prospect, scouts have spent the last five years deciding whether or not he’d hit enough to make any kind of big-league impact. In 2016, designated hitters are slashing a combined .254/.325/.464, with a .336 wOBA. Albert Pujols, Pedro Alvarez, Khris Davis and Kendrys Morales are all within a thin statistical band around that line.
Vogelbach has plus raw power but it comes at the expense both of effort and swing-and-miss when he really cuts things loose. He’ll hit some impressive blasts to his pull side and muscle some balls out the other way but, in general, the game power plays beneath his raw because Vogelbach’s approach to hitting is often of the Take What You’re Given variety and he sprays contact all over the field. The physical tools for contact are here. Vogelbach has good bat control, hand-eye coordination, the bat speed is good and he’s shown that he can recognize ball and strikes.
The issue here has been his footwork, which would get clunky and leave Vogelbach’s weight way out on his front foot against offspeed stuff. His feel for the barrel is good enough to somewhat mask this issue, but when Vogelbach has made weak contact this has been a cause. I’ve gotten recent reports that Vogelbach has simplified (or at least altered) his footwork and is getting his front foot down earlier, which may turn out to be a beneficial adjustment for him and a possible catalyst for his uptick in statistical output this season (though, that could just be the PCL, too).
The whole package looks like it will play as a 50 hitter with 50 game power, though I think there’s more volatility here than is typical for a prospect who has hit all the way up the ladder — both because (a) so much of what Vogelbach is and does is unique and (b) because there’s some evidence that a recent adjustment might make a substantive difference. The glove, arm and speed are all comfortably below average.
The offensive profile closely mirrors that league-wide wOBA average for designated hitters: something in the .333- to .337-wOBA range is about where a .270 hitter with a solid approach and about 18-homer game power ends up. His overall contribution will be diluted by a complete lack of defensive or base-running value.
Hit: 45/50
Raw Power: 60/60
Game Power: 45/50
Run: 20/20
Field: 30/30
Arm: 40/40
FV: 45
Notes on others involved in the deal…
Paul Blackburn, RHP (CHC to SEA)
Mostly 88-92 mph, though he’s touched higher in the past. It’s a little bit straight, but he fills the strike zone with it and locates well to his arm side. Mid-70s curveball is the best secondary, 11-5 movement with solid depth, a fringe pitch now that projects to average. The arm action allows for some changeup projection but it’s unlikely to miss bats. He projects as an up and down spot starter.
Jordan Pries, RHP (SEA to CHC)
Another pitchability righty, Pries sits mostly 88-91 with a slurvy breaking ball in the 78-82 mph range that’s his primary offering both to left- and right-handed hitters. It’s about average. He’s had some release point issues of late. He’s a minor-league depth arm.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
Vogelbach is like a young John Kruk with the body of an old John Kruk.
Dan Vogelbach: A less explosive John Kruk.
If Vogelbach provides something close to Kruk’s value, as I suspect he will even adjusting for explosivity, the Mariners should be thrilled.
John Kruk: Dan Vogelbach in the early 90’s.
Boy, that comp is going to be flying around the internet today.
I like vogelbach and hope he succeeds. However as I posted in the other articles comments I’m not sure about his hit tool. His K rates were solid above average however while it is good that he has a great eye I’m not sure he isn’t a mistake hitter that makes his hit tool Play up by selecting pitches in zones he can handle. he doesn’t have that great batspeed and I could see his K rates go up when there is data out there on how to get him out.
Of course any prospects has to make those adjusments but I’m not sure he has the batspeed to do it.
Also not sure about his power, he has improved this year but it is the PCL.
He could become an effective hitter but he also could become tyler White (similar “batting eye first” Profile albeit Vogs has more power than Tyler).
His batting eye will Play in the Majors too and he will draw some walks (like White) but it will be interesting how he handles pitches in his weaker zones ones pitchers have data (maybe he will have a hot start too like White before that). If he does handle those pitches reasonably he can become a solid Player but if he can’t I could see his K rate creep into the upper 20s which would be hard for his Profile to work (I don’t see him as a 25+ homer guy unless he Plays in a bandbox).
I think highly of Vogelbach. If you have watched him in the minors over the past couple seasons, I think you would agree he is in much better shape than he used to be. He seems to have an excellent work ethic, and he seems to have a high baseball IQ. He is not fat, he is built like a truck. And he is in much better shape than he was a year ago.
In my (admittedly amateur) opinion, Vogelbach is not going to be a 3TO hitter – he will maintain an avg in the .260 – .275 range with a lot of doubles. He does not chase bad pitches, he draws a lot of walks, and he makes hard contact (including line drives, not just FB) on pitches in the zone.
I don’t think he will ever win a gold glove, and he will probably play mainly as a DH. But I predict his physical conditioning will continue to get better, and he will hold his own at 1B. I think he will work extremely hard to prove he belongs in the majors as an athlete, not just a hitter.
I could easily be wrong. But I think Seattle fans will really like him.
Seattle fans have seen so many hit-first-no-glove-sell-out-for-power types pass through Safeco over the last few years, some of them highly-touted prospects (Smoak, Montero) some supposed reliable veterans (Sexson, inexplicably bad Kendrys Morales, inexplicable Jose Vidro) and some just “hit tool with nowhere to play” (Russell Branyan, Carlos Peguero, too many others to list). Those all arrived under previous regimes and previous development philosophies, but you might forgive Seattle fans for not immediately falling all over themselves when yet another one washes up on the shores of Elliott Bay.
If it’s Seattle, did it really matter which position they played?
What do you think of Pries in a bullpen role? If he can grab 2-3mph bump, could that be enough to make him more effective? You would think inconsistent delivery should be easier to deal with in 1 inning bursts as well.
IIRC Vogelbach suffered a bunch of minor nagging injuries last year that impaired his ability to use his lower half. How much of the footwork complaints and game-power-less-than-raw-power would that explain?
His 2016 .230 ISO in AAA is pretty hard to attribute to PCL bandboxes, since the Iowa Cubs’ park depresses runs, HRs, and hits.
True. It would be a much different story if he was putting up these numbers in Colorado Springs or El Paso.