Seattle Mariners Top 31 Prospects

Below is an analysis of the prospects in the farm system of the Seattle Mariners. Scouting reports were compiled with information provided by industry sources as well as my own observations. This is the second year we’re delineating between two anticipated relief roles, the abbreviations for which you’ll see in the “position” column below: MIRP for multi-inning relief pitchers, and SIRP for single-inning relief pitchers.
A quick overview of what FV (Future Value) means can be found here. A much deeper overview can be found here.
All of the numbered prospects below also appear on The Board, a resource the site offers featuring sortable scouting information for every organization. It has more details than this article and integrates every team’s list so readers can compare prospects across farm systems. It can be found here.
| Rk | Name | Age | Highest Level | Position | ETA | FV |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Julio Rodríguez | 21.4 | MLB | CF | 2022 | 65 |
| 2 | Noelvi Marte | 20.6 | A+ | SS | 2023 | 60 |
| 3 | George Kirby | 24.3 | MLB | SP | 2022 | 55 |
| 4 | Matt Brash | 24.0 | MLB | SP | 2022 | 50 |
| 5 | Harry Ford | 19.2 | A | C | 2026 | 45+ |
| 6 | Emerson Hancock | 23.0 | AA | SP | 2023 | 45 |
| 7 | Edwin Arroyo | 18.7 | A | SS | 2026 | 40+ |
| 8 | Lazaro Montes | 17.6 | R | RF | 2027 | 40+ |
| 9 | Bryce Miller | 23.7 | A+ | MIRP | 2025 | 40+ |
| 10 | Adam Macko | 21.4 | A+ | SP | 2024 | 40+ |
| 11 | Taylor Dollard | 23.2 | AA | SP | 2024 | 40 |
| 12 | Alberto Rodriguez | 21.6 | A+ | RF | 2024 | 40 |
| 13 | Travis Kuhn | 24.0 | AAA | SIRP | 2022 | 40 |
| 14 | Levi Stoudt | 24.4 | AA | MIRP | 2023 | 40 |
| 15 | Gabriel Gonzalez | 18.4 | R | RF | 2026 | 40 |
| 16 | Jonatan Clase | 20.0 | A | CF | 2024 | 40 |
| 17 | Michael Morales | 19.8 | A | SP | 2026 | 40 |
| 18 | Juan Then | 22.3 | A+ | SIRP | 2022 | 40 |
| 19 | Prelander Berroa | 22.1 | A+ | SIRP | 2023 | 35+ |
| 20 | Spencer Packard | 24.6 | A+ | LF | 2025 | 35+ |
| 21 | Penn Murfee | 28.0 | MLB | SIRP | 2022 | 35+ |
| 22 | Cade Marlowe | 24.9 | AAA | CF | 2023 | 35+ |
| 23 | Jimmy Joyce | 23.3 | A+ | SIRP | 2025 | 35+ |
| 24 | Zach DeLoach | 23.7 | AA | RF | 2024 | 35+ |
| 25 | Riley O’Brien | 27.3 | MLB | SIRP | 2022 | 35+ |
| 26 | William Fleming | 23.2 | A | SP | 2025 | 35+ |
| 27 | Charlie Welch | 22.3 | A+ | C | 2026 | 35+ |
| 28 | Yeury Tatiz | 21.5 | A | SIRP | 2024 | 35+ |
| 29 | Kaden Polcovich | 23.2 | AA | 2B | 2024 | 35+ |
| 30 | Natanael Garabitos | 21.8 | A | SIRP | 2024 | 35+ |
| 31 | Bryan Woo | 22.3 | R | SIRP | 2025 | 35+ |
Other Prospects of Note
Grouped by type and listed in order of preference within each category.
On the Complex
Michael Arroyo, SS
Milkar Perez, 3B
Martin Gonzalez, SS
Edryn Rodriguez, SS
Victor Labrada, CF
Starlin Aguilar, DH
George Feliz, RF
This group is either currently in extended spring training down in Arizona or still in the Dominican Republic. Most of the players in this subgroup have also already filled out quite a bit. Arroyo (in the DR) is a skills-over-tools Colombian middle infield prospect with a maxed out frame and advanced feel to hit. Perez, 20, had a good 2021 on paper but lacks great feel to hit and may have given up switch hitting already, as he’s been seen taking right-handed at-bats against righties on the complex. He looked like an advanced, young, switch-hitting infielder during parts of last year, but it’s been a rough look so far in 2022. Gonzalez is the other relatively projectable prospect here, a collection of 40s and 50s with a chance to grow into more than that. Rodriguez, 19, had huge numbers in the 2021 DSL but is another maxed-out, skills-over-tools infielder who’ll have to prove it at each level. Labrada, 22, is a 70-grade runner who plays really hard, but he’s striking out a ton and there was no external scout support for him. Aguilar was a big dollar international signee a couple of years ago who is at risk of ending up a DH-only prospect because of the way he’s trended athletically. Feliz is similar to Gonzalez, except with a corner outfield profile.
Bench Ceilings
Robert Perez, 1B
Marcus Wilson, CF
Ben Ramirez, 3B
Axel Sanchez, SS
Perez generated some of the bigger peak exit velos in the org in 2021 and is pretty athletic in the box for a first base-only guy. He was sent back to Low-A after spending all year there in 2021. He could conceivably be a power-hitting bench option in the Ryan McBroom mold but is more likely a candidate for pro ball in Asia. Wilson can play center field and he has some power, but he strikes out too much to be a consistent big league option. Ramirez had a big time profile in high school as a projectable SoCal shortstop headed to USC. He didn’t hit for meaningful power in college. He has a strapping 6-foot-3 frame and can pick it at third base. Sanchez is all projection, a 19-year-old infielder with a glove-first toolkit for now.
Is There Enough Velo?
Joseph Hernandez, RHP
Leon Hunter, RHP
Isaiah Campbell, RHP
Devin Sweet, RHP
Juan Pinto, LHP
Sam Carlson, RHP
Hernandez, 22, is a funky, low-slot righty whose slider is death to right-handed hitters. He was living in the low-90s during the spring of 2022 and touching 94 mph, though it was during an early morning intrasquad; there might be more in the tank. Hunter, 25, is a super loose 250-pound reliever with big carry on a 90-91 mph fastball. Campbell, 24, was sent back to High-A to start the year. He was a reliable pitchability guy at Arkansas and dealt with some injuries there. He looked like a No. 4/5 starter at his best but more like an emergency spot starter more recently. Sweet was on the main part of the list in the past with the hope he’d find more velo in the bullpen to pair with his plus changeup, but he’s still sitting about 92 mph. Pinto, 17, was a high-profile 2021 signee who looked like he had filled out without adding any velocity, sitting about 87 mph during that same early morning intrasquad. Carlson sat about 90 mph the two inning he threw at Modesto before list publication; it’s fine to move on now.
System Overview
This is an extremely top-heavy system that has been able to actualize its high-profile prospects into big leaguers at a high rate. While we’re still waiting on some of them to be good big leaguers, the fact that this will still be one of our higher-ranked farm systems even after Jarred Kelenic, Logan Gilbert, Cal Raleigh, Kyle Lewis and others have graduated in the last two seasons is encouraging, even though Seattle lacks great prospect depth.
The Mariners’ ability to develop pitching is the org’s core competency right now. The shining example of this is obviously Matt Brash, who the Mariners traded for after he had barely thrown a pro pitch. They saw something San Diego didn’t (the same is true for me — I called Brash a “developmental relief prospect” at the time of the deal) and turned him into a monster. There are also lower-round draft picks spread throughout this list. Both the amateur and pro departments seem to be interfacing with the dev group well enough to hand them pitchers who are candidates for meaningful tweaks.
Seattle’s last couple of international amateur classes not been great upon their initial entry into pro ball. The team made changes to the top of their international scouting department at the end of 2018, a group that had been led by Tim Kissner and oversaw the signings of Julio Rodríguez, Noelvi Marte, Juan Then, and a lot of other players who were traded to other clubs while they were prospects, most notably Freddy Peralta. It’s possible that group had some hand in agreeing to deals with the players who Seattle would sign in the next couple of classes, and because of how the international market works, there is always a lag between when a new group gets its footing and when the players they target actually sign and begin low-level play in the states. But part of the reason this system is short on depth is because the early returns from the recent couple of classes aren’t that good.
Obviously a big part of it is also that Seattle traded two prospects who would have been in the 45 FV tier or above (Brandon Williamson and Connor Phillips) to add Jesse Winker and Eugenio Suárez to the fold just before the season. There are 10 prospects on other teams’ lists who were originally drafted or signed by Seattle, most of them guys who have turned into 40 FV backend starter or relief types, like Tommy Romero and JP Sears.
Is there enough ammunition to make another trade? The team’s 40-man starting pitching depth is thin and the Mariners aren’t in a position to withstand the typical rate of pitcher injury given the current state of their roster, especially as they seem committed to Brash, Justus Sheffield, and Riley O’Brien as relievers. They have viable spot starters in Tommy Milone and Darren McCaughan at Tacoma, but most teams need 10 or so starters throughout a season. It’s possible they will need to add depth, or might be motivated to improve on their current group (sorry, I know everyone loves Marco Gonzales), and have to do so with a trade. If last year’s deadline is any indication, in a blockbuster deal for a huge name, teams are going to ask for at least one of the 50+ FV guys, and because moving any of the others means taking from your current big league group, that makes Marte the more likely arm-twisting target for opposing teams. Unless several of the players in the 45 and 40+ FV tiers have huge breakouts, a more modest trade is much more likely.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
One of the funny things about this list coming out so late is that Julio Rodriguez’s scouting report already looks a bit dated. He looks like at minimum a 50 in CF (OAA loves him even more than that, I’m not sure I buy it) and after a horrible start he’s turned it on and looks fantastic.
Pretty much anyone with five tools and is tall and plays the outfield gets comped to Dave Winfield, but Winfield was far more cautious at the plate. Rodriguez reminds me a lot of Andre Dawson, although obviously you can’t have Dawson’s career without insane longevity which is no guarantee (seriously, 10K PAs is a lot for anyone no matter talent level). I think he’s got potentially three or four 6-win seasons in him, but he’s going to get there as a pretty free swinger. Not anything like, say, Avisail Garcia or Tim Anderson, but he’s probably a bit more free swinging than average.
Thing that’s off is his run grade more than anything, it’s easy 70 speed at the present, and it’s closer to a 80 than a 60.
This is probably also why he’s also doing better in CF than expected.
Sprint speed is 29.8, which is top 10 in the league. His HP to 1B is only 4.25, though, which is 26th. Either way, he’s comfortably ahead of a bunch of other people who we think of as having elite speed like Victor Robles, Adolis Garcia, and Luis Robert (who must have lost some speed when he bulked up–he’s 2.5 seconds behind Rodriguez). A 70 sounds about right.
Yea per statcast he has the 6th highest average sprint speed.
Weirdly enough, #1 is Bobby Witt, who also has a 60 speed grade here
Dawson’s a super comp – I was thinking that Rodriguez has a lot of Javy Baez in him at this moment on offense, but his ability to look like a no-brainer CF had me scrambling for a Heyward/Gallo type for his defensive profile. Dawson is exactly that guy.
The one caveat to this comp, and I’m glad Eric expounded on this a bit – it’s downright rare, and surely an 11 on a 1-to-10 scale of difficulty, for a college-aged prospect to improve his numbers across the board after being promoted mid-season within the upper half of the minors. When I see that a young player has done something like this, it sets off bells in my head that the kid is almost toying with baseball at that level, which in turn means we might be talking about a generational prodigy here. Because of that possibility, and Rodriguez’s makeup and work ethic, I can’t rule out the possibility that he overcomes his swing-and-miss proclivity by his third or fourth MLB season, much like Mike Schmidt did. If that scenario plays out, along with the good health to ensure longevity, then we can upgrade from a replay of Dawson’s career to a replay of Schmidt’s career (only with the Gold Gloves coming in right field instead of third base.)
Can’t believe it just dawned on me, but after factoring everything above, the best 21st century comp for Rodriguez is George Springer.
More precisely:
George Springer, but with a 3-year head start.
These reports coming out so late make them look a little dated. Next year, please try to have all of them out preseason- i know you’re incredibly thorough and the content is incredible, but its a bad look to be so far behind in your coverage
Homie you don’t even have a subscription
And? lol maybe I would if the mets prospect list was out before June
So you can honestly say you don’t mind when they’re still pumping out prospect lists after the draft? They just copy-pasted J-rod’s report from a few months ago without mentioning anything they learned from the month of major league baseball he’s played, for example.
Justin Choi did an in depth article about him on 4/22 in addition to the top 100 and now the Mariners team write up. What do you want this to be? The Julio Rodriguez daily update site? There’s 30 teams and 1200 players (give or take) on the 40 man rosters.
It’s not about J-rod, he’s just emblematic of the problem. All other prospect websites/ books get it done preseason. and Baseball america is just as thorough, and they still get it done. I just want to be able to go to a minor league game and see who i should look out for, because i love FG’s content. Its not a hot take to just wish it didnt come out in freaking June.
We also just had a full offseason with nothing else to cover.
Love the lists but I’d wager that the majority of readers rely on these for fantasy leagues and they are not very useful when they come out during the season. If not for dynasty leagues I know for one, I could care less who SEA’s 25the best prospect is.
And again, what do you pay for Baseball America and what do you pay for FG? You’re placing subscription level expectations on free content. The carping about this every year is pure bad form.
Nothing more than advice from a consumer. It’s not bad form lol this isnt a charity website.
You’re a consumer the way the deer in my neighborhood are consumers of my foliage. I don’t entertain their requests on what I should plant or how I can make it more accessible.
A message of “please deliver my high quality free content sooner” — which is what yours boils down to — is bad form. You’re also far from the first person to complain, so do you imagine Eric and team are simply oblivious, or are they maliciously thwarting your desires?
Or, are they perfectly aware that folks would like it sooner but this is as fast as they can work? If it’s this, and I think it plainly is, why are you acting as if yours is the voice they’ve been waiting to hear? “Well $&!?, I wish cwood41 had spoken up sooner. We can’t let HIM down. Redouble your efforts, team!”
By that logic, people shouldn’t complain about their “free” healthcare. Just bad form, right?
This website is free to no one. If I don’t pay, the website can still sell my “eyeball” time to any advertiser they see fit, or more commonly, can simply collect data on my viewing habits and monetize it.
I don’t follow many baseball outlets other than this one, but it’s quite plain this is a much smaller shop. And that the prospect lists have slowed down substantially since KG left. So I’d imagine they’re trying to find a suitable replacement to speed up the quality content.
The bottom line is you ain’t much of a consumer if you ain’t a subscriber, champ. Imagine…more people who subscribe may add another prospect analyst to the staff!
baseball america basically has a different writer doing each org, fangraphs has like two people doing everything. come on
You mean they didn’t mention things like:
Or…
Or…
Or anything else about him currently such as his >ahem< his current swing?
You found no mentions at all about any of this? Go back and read it again if so.
YUCK
This is something that has irritated me for a while. I love this content but I would definitely prefer that they all came out before opening day. I don’t know what needs to change to make that happen, but if it means that we only get anything about guys who are FV40 and up, I think it would be worth it.
Looks like 2019 is when they started adding 35+ prospects to the lists. Prior to that, FV 40 was the cutoff. Increases the workload by about 25% but I’m not sure it adds 25% more value to the output.
I think the reason for this is that as long as Eric is getting sources on an organization, he figures he might as well get information on all of them. But (1) I think that it’s fine to say “I don’t need that many sources on guys playing in the DSL” and (2) I don’t think they all need to be written up. So there might be an opportunity to stop getting sources a little earlier in the process (and not get info on every single teenager in the DSL), and the “others of note” section could be longer.
Because Eric et al do a bang-up job with the in-season prospect updates, I think that your idea of quicker but less expansive offseason top prospect lists works perfectly for everyone (save maybe folks playing in a 200-keeper roster fantasy league ;))
(btw – the only reason I’m not a member is that I’m a luddite on how I pay for things….if I could mail David A. a check payable to Fangraphs in some form or fashion I’d do so in a heartbeat. So my commentary is strictly for the benefit of this site’s sustained existence, not any expectation of a “free lunch”)
I don’t like critiquing this because Eric has had a lot of his collaborators leave at inconvenient times, we’re still in a ridiculous pandemic where everyone’s life has been turned upside down, and the depth and quality of analysis here has always been excellent. I’m not planning on canceling my membership or anything like that. I just think that it might not be possible for one person to have something written up about every single prospect in the entire world with this level of analysis.
This system is bottom 10 level. The name of the game is quantity of prospects that are 40+ valuation due to prospect entropy. Unless you have a generational talent that can carry a system depth is required. If even one of their 50’s and higher busts (which is likely) they have almost nothing to fall back on (developmental breakouts). People get too caught up in the top, but its empirically obvious success is more tied to fielding a team of above average players. Stars and scrubs almost never works. Be like the Dodgers, Rays or Yankees when it comes to farm systems.
“Empirically”
Source?
Yeah, empirically it’s the exact opposite. Empirically, an FV50 pitcher is worth five times as much as an FV45 pitcher, seven times as much as an FV40+ pitcher, and 21x more than an FV40 pitcher.
FV50’s and up dont come into being most times at that valuation (outside of top 10 picks and $$$ J2s). To get a lot of guys who end up being 50’s and better you need a huge cadre of 40/40+ guys. Being a Rays fan Brujan, Mead, Johnson, Bradley, etc. didnt just pop into being as 50’s+. They were 40s that with good development blossomed. You need a ton of those guys because most prospects even highly touted ones bust. Its a numbers game. Y’all looking at the endgame and not the process. Its why systems that have a few 50s and almost no depth suck. How many Reid Brignacs before people understand this.
Source?
Yes, prospects bust. That’s what they do. But most 40s and 40+ types never turn into 50s either. So there’s the 1/10 chance or whatever of becoming a 50 and the chance that they bust even if they are a 50. This is why 40+’s are worth 15% as much as 50s and 40s are worth 5% as much.
The Dodgers and Yankees essentially print their own money so they can maintain great systems while they’re contending every year, they also can develop fringe players into solid or better regulars. The Rays trade major leaguers for prospects even when they’re on pace to win 100 games, but they do that out of necessity because they’re a very small market team. The Mariners are like lots of other teams, who spend a couple of years building their system and then spend the next couple of years dismantling it to try and field a competitive MLB roster the minute they think they might win. The problem is they don’t take as much time to load up on top draft picks as other tanking teams, and they don’t spend a ton of money on free agents and/or take on big salaries in trades to field a contender while hanging onto their top prospects. The result has been over 20 years of middling baseball.
“Printing money” has a pretty limited impact on direct spending to acquire prospects. Their continuing success actually puts the Dodgers and Yankees at a competitive disadvantage for raw prospect talent – both IFA spending and draft spending and added bonus round slots are pretty regulated and their success leaves them as smaller pool holders and with lower slot picks. Their international advantage that remains is likely due more to branding – a draft will largely kill that too. And the expanded opportunities to trade for pool space and comp picks are strategies they’ve dived into.
Where they may have a monetary advantage is in acquiring development team talent and perhaps scouting – but that’s not nothing.
Money comes into play big time at the majors level of course in free agency and trade flexibility.
The big thing is that they don’t have to trade prospects for reasonably cost-controlled players, which has a number of other downstream impacts.
The Dodgers and the Yankees spend a whole lot more on scouting and development than most teams (more coaches, more scouts, better facilities, etc). That has clearly more than made up for any disadvantages in the reduced bonus pools due to their success. Of course I don’t doubt that every MLB team could afford to fund their infrastructure the way the Dodgers and Yankees do, but they don’t.
Kiley’s argument is that the FV40+ valuation is the lowest level prospect that return anything in a trade. But I certainly wouldn’t think that this implies any sort of equivalency (or even close to it) of prospects between FV40+ and FV65. Far, far from it.
Also, your choices for systems with lots of FV40+’s is weird. The Dodgers have 19 players in that category; the Yankees have 17 (and some of those are very generous, IMO); and the Rays have 19. The systems with the most in that category (so far) are the D-Backs (22), Marlins (22), Giants (24). The Rangers are probably going to be up there too (they had 25 at the end of last year).
Recency bias. The Rays, Yankees, and Dodgers consistently churn 40s into 50s and 55s. They produce depth and MLB regulars of all stripes. Thats how you build good systems. The teams you mention dont do that consistently which is why I didnt mention them. Everyone looking for gotcha’s. My point being Id rather have a system with 20 40/40+’s and up than a system like the Mariners. Top heavy systems suck because of the rate of prospect bust. Its a numbers game.
In 2019, the Dodgers had roughly 27 prospects that were rated a 40+ or 40. Of them, the only two that became a 50 after that time that I can see is Diego Cartaya and Jacob Amaya (both 40+’s).
In 2019, the Rays had roughly 25 players who were rated a 40+ or 40. If I’m not mistaken, not a single one has turned into a 50 since then (although Taj Bradley was a 35+ and will probably get there, but then the denominator will also get bigger).
In 2019, the Yankees had roughly 25 players rated a 40+ or 40. Since then, only 2 (Vargas and Alcantara) have turned into FV50s. They would have gotten 3 if they had gone to 35+, but again, that would have added another 5 to the denominator.
Is that a gotcha? I don’t think that’s a gotcha. I think it shows you’re wrong. I picked 2019 because that was the first year we had 40+ as a rating on Fangraphs, but a 3 year period is a pretty long time to go 3 for 77. And this is for the three organizations that you picked to illustrate this phenomenon.
Now, if you were to talk about the importance of 45 and 45+’s, your argument gets much better. But we would expect that, since 45 and 45+’s are like 5x better than 40 and 40+’s.
Is it that “everyone” is looking for gotchas or is it that you have weak measurements and keep moving the goalposts?
Even by the line you most recently drew of “20 40/ 40+’s and up” cuts off the “top-heavy” Mariners by all of… 2 (they have 18 that are ranked 40 or higher on this very list).
Make note that (of course) no one has been argued the Mariners aren’t top heavy or that there aren’t better systems right now. The entirety of the “gotchas” have been that the lines you’ve drawn (and keep trying to re-draw) aren’t particularly good.
You’ve been called on to support your “empirical” argument and ignored it not just once, but twice. You’ve referred to organizations that don’t mean your own qualifications as examples.
Would you rather have Noelvi Marte (60 FV) or Ezequiel Tovar (45 FV)?
I’m going to go ahead and guess that the 45 FV on Tovar (as well as his 40 raw and 35 game power) is severely outdated by now. The way he’s mashing AA (with a noticeable improvement to his plate discipline) while being 4 years younger than average AND playing his usual plus defense at short, I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get at least a 60 FV on the next update. Personally I’d rather have Tovar, and I’m not sure it’s close as of now for me. That’s partly my preference for defense speaking, but he’s virtually the same age and is hitting better than Marte at a far more challenging level. He’s also a clearly superior defender at short.
“I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get at least a 60 FV on the next update.”
So next June.
Hell, he could be in the majors by the time we get Colorado’s next update.
This is mostly snark, but I also find the in-season prospect lists to be frustratingly late.
Bal: 375
TB: 362
Pitt: 326
Cleveland: 319.5
CHC: 271.5
AZ: 255.5
NYY: 253
SF: 248.5
Boston: 237.5
Det: 221
Seattle: 215.5
LAD: 215
Min: 205
Cin: 194
Oak: 178.5
Tor: 148.5
Phi: 141
Mil: 137
Colorado: 112
LAA: 79
CHWS: 60.5
Based matt. Appreciate you updating this every time
It’s wild to see Seattle and Detroit so close to the Dodgers, since Seattle and Detroit are so top heavy and the Dodgers aren’t like that at all.
Quick question–where is Miami? I think they already did that list.
At the top of the article they have a table of which teams they’ve published lists for. The ones that haven’t been published are grayed out. So far this year, fangraphs has only published one list from the NL East, the Phillies. I assume Miami is going to be one of the stronger systems. They’ve been in rebuild mode for a while.
I must just be confused.
Woof.
Why are they so incapable of developing prospect hitters into above average major leaguers?
The jury is still out on Rodriguez, and I think he’s going to be really good. But Kelenic looks awful. Kyle Lewis is a huge question mark (though he’s hitting in the minors).
Taylor Trammell has regressed, and Cal Raleigh and Jake Fraley look barely worth being on the 40-man.
Are they just over focused on pitching? Have they been more harmed by the missed year of development than other teams? Does their park disadvantage them this way?
I get that it’s still early with some of these guys, but it looks awful so far in terms of future hitting.
Kelenic had been awful, but Lewis has at least put up nearly 3 total WAR over roughly 75% of a season. He’s a question mark, but I feel that’s more health related rather than a development issue. Also Trammell wasn’t really that hot in the minors even before he came over via trade.
I dunno, hitting seems more difficult than ever right now, especially in terms of development. The gap between the minors and the majors seems more stark than ever.
I guess, but Lwwis’s 2020 was really not that special. High K rate paired with average power, buoyed by an unsustainable BABIP.
2021 was nearly identical but without the high BABIP, and I think that’s what he is. A slightly above average hitter.
I wouldn’t call his Plate Discipline numbers “nearly identical”
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/kyle-lewis/19508/stats#pitch-info-plate-discipline
There was actually quite a notable improvement there that didn’t reflect accurately in his more sample-size prone full profile. He swung at 4% fewer balls out of the zone and 8% more in the zone.
In reality, the end line that he was able to put up in his shortened 2021 was under expectations. His 2020 wOBA (.349) and xwOBA (.343) were nearly identical. his 2021 wOBA (.320) was 30 points expectations (.350). Were he to keep up his peripheral profile, he was much more likely to be closer to where he ended in 2020 than where his 2021 got cut off.
The spelling of “Murfee” really, really bothers me. I know it’s right. I just want to talk to his family and find out what happened.
First-ever Firstname:Penn in MLB history!
A little confused – DeLoach was a 40 FV in yesterday’s Prospect Notes, today he’s a 35+?
Any chance we could get a color code on the FV numbers to show change from last year, or even just a +/- in parentheses after the ranking along with the numerical change?
How is that Ford doesn’t have a single Future tool under 50 (and some a good chunk higher), yet his FV is 45+? If we really believe those Future tools (i.e. he has no weaknesses, he’s good at everything), he should be what, an easy 55? A 60? Which leads me to believe we don’t really believe them.
Catchers that young tend to break down.
He has one pro season.
This system seems weaker than it should be, and that’s a bit concerning since they’re supposedly rebuilding. They have young players graduating and have made a few win-now trades, but even those don’t seem like enough. They didn’t exactly tank really hard like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Arizona have. They don’t trade for prospects even when they’re winning 100 games a year like the Rays do. They don’t have the crazy elite player development system like the Dodgers do. I wish the Mariners would do more one way or the other, rather than half-ass it every 2-3 years.
Are they rebuilding? They won 90 games last year, even if it doesn’t feel like it. They’re kinda pst that stage, no?
They’re past the “rebuilding” stage; as indicated by:
I appreciate the comments about Alberto Gonzalez and visual evidence. Having heard rave reviews and seem his numbers I expected more. Didn’t love the swing, and while he may have slimmed down he just doesn’t look particularly athletic. Plenty of players can fool you on that — Nelson Velasquez is a current example — but I’m not seeing it here.
In preseason research I was much more intrigued by Gabriel Gonzalez. He’s three years younger and many levels behind Gonzalez, but his swing is extremely promising and his defensive instincts and actions have looked good since his IFA days. His body could go in a variety of directions, but he’s a good runner underway with clean strides. If he takes care of himself he may surprise. If if he does thicken up he’ll only build on what looks like future plus power which he should access based on his current feel for hitting . Can’t wait to see him stateside.
Right now, prospects actualized are Julio and Gilbert (mayyyybe Kirby), and the rest are uh, lower on the Maslow pyramid.
Where they’ve been really good in recent years is finding undervalued/blocked/post-hype guys. France, Crawford, Flexen, Gonzales, Haniger (the latter two came over all the way back in 2017), and so on. Those players have succeeded as average or better regulars. I think if they continue to pluck more of those types off the scrap heap often enough, they could contend someday. The problem is that you can’t completely rely on that strategy and expect to win the division. You have to be able to develop your own players, you have to spend the money on good free agents/eat contracts on solid players through trade without giving up too many top prospects. If you plan on tanking for high draft picks, you gotta go all out and really suck for several years like the Orioles, DBacks, and Pirates have. No half measures.
The system is evidently weaker than I thought. The biggest difference: I expected Carlson, Isaiah Campbell, Sweet, and others to still be in the 35-40 range. I also have seen much stronger ratings for DeLoach than this take, which sounds like not even a viable throw in on a trade.
To be fair, he wasn’t really ever considered highly valuable here considering the whole “… potential multi-positional platoon outfielder…” status he “fell” from.
If he’d lit up AA like high-A or didn’t have the K-rates, I could see him higher. If he’d corrected those so far repeating AA (at age 23) this year, I could see an in-season update ticking him up, but as it is, age plus level plus mediocre offense at an offense-first position hurts.
Can we put Kelenic back on?
I’m super excited about Logan Gilbert, who obviously does not qualify for this post, but has been very consistent so far in MLB and just turned 25. He’s a fellow alum of Stetson University – which has produced the likes of Jacob deGrom, Corey Kluber (and me – who is not a major league baseball star).
“Idaho” and College of Idaho are two very different things. “Idaho” implies he went to the D-I University of Idaho instead of the NAIA school.
The latter is a Private Idaho