Sizing Up the Buyers and the Sellers
With the draft officially behind us, MLB’s calendar has officially flipped to Trade Season. With six weeks before the non-waiver trade deadline, teams now have to get serious about deciding which direction they’re going to go; trade talks can often take a while, and teams generally want to get looks at guys they may get in return, which necessitates knowing whether to send additional scouts to cover the majors or the minors.
Of course, no one has to cement their decision on June 19th, and the results of the next month or so will move some teams from one side of the ledger to the other. But as trade talks begin to begin in earnest, let’s take a look at where all 30 teams stand now, and what we should expect them to do before July 31st.
| Team | W | L | Win% | Proj. Wins | Playoff% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Astros | 46 | 24 | 0.657 | 98.7 | 99.8% |
| Dodgers | 44 | 26 | 0.629 | 99.4 | 99.8% |
| Nationals | 42 | 27 | 0.609 | 95.1 | 98.4% |
| Indians | 36 | 31 | 0.537 | 91.6 | 95.4% |
| Rockies | 46 | 26 | 0.639 | 90.8 | 88.0% |
| Red Sox | 39 | 30 | 0.565 | 90.4 | 88.0% |
| Diamondbacks | 44 | 26 | 0.629 | 90.0 | 83.5% |
| Cubs | 34 | 34 | 0.500 | 88.8 | 83.2% |
| Yankees | 38 | 29 | 0.567 | 87.8 | 74.6% |
It’s almost impossible to see any of these nine teams moving into seller mode over the next month; every team here has at least a 3-in-4 chance of reaching the postseason, according to our playoff odds, and besides last year’s two World Series teams, they’re all off to such strong starts that even a summer fade will still leave them in a position where they remain in a spot to add for the stretch run. The Cubs and Indians haven’t played like World Series teams yet, but just as our forecasts take into account more than just first-half record, so too will these teams factor in their recent postseason success when evaluating the quality of their 2017 roster.
| Team | W | L | Win% | Proj. Wins | Playoff% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Blue Jays | 33 | 35 | 0.485 | 82.8 | 35.6% |
| Rays | 37 | 35 | 0.514 | 81.1 | 22.5% |
| Rangers | 34 | 34 | 0.500 | 80.4 | 18.5% |
| Cardinals | 31 | 37 | 0.456 | 81.1 | 18.3% |
| Tigers | 32 | 36 | 0.471 | 79.4 | 14.2% |
| Mariners | 34 | 37 | 0.479 | 79.6 | 14.0% |
| Orioles | 34 | 34 | 0.500 | 78.8 | 11.4% |
| Mets | 31 | 37 | 0.456 | 80.1 | 9.7% |
| Brewers | 38 | 33 | 0.535 | 79.3 | 9.3% |
| Royals | 33 | 35 | 0.485 | 77.4 | 7.1% |
| Twins | 34 | 33 | 0.507 | 77.1 | 6.5% |
| Angels | 36 | 37 | 0.493 | 77.7 | 6.4% |
And here is the muddle. 12 teams are within shouting distance of .500, and based on our rest-of-season forecasts, all of them are expected to finish between 77 and 83 wins. You’ve got three teams that had pre-season rosters that looked playoff-caliber but have struggled thus far (TOR, STL, NYM), but still might have enough hope left for a strong finish to add instead of subtract. You’ve got two expected also-rans (MIL, MIN) who have played well enough to force their teams to begin thinking about whether it’s worth changing course for this season. And then you’ve got the seven mediocre teams who entered the year with hopes that things would break their way, but so far, are right around where the projections forecasted them.
Individually, you could make a pretty good case for all of these teams selling. The upside for most of them is an invite to the single-elimination Wild Card game, where they would be facing a superior opponent and most likely would be the road team as well. Wild Card teams can win the World Series, of course, but how much of your farm system do you want to give up to chase a chance at playing one game with your season on the line?
But in reality, there’s at least one playoff team here. Our definite buyers tier only comprised of nine teams in a sport with 10 playoff spots, so even if none of the teams currently in strong playoff position have a second-half swoon, there’s a spot open for one team in this group. And usually, a team in strong playoff position in mid-June falls apart by season’s end, so in reality, we may see two or even three teams from this group end up in the playoffs.
And a lot of these teams already have their chips in on the short-term. The Mariners and Tigers are old, and each have several high-priced contracts that couldn’t easily be moved. The Rangers only have Yu Darvish signed through this season, and the Blue Jays only have Josh Donaldson through next season, so neither really wants to try to rebuild right now.
The Royals have, perhaps unfortunately for their franchise’s best interests, played themselves back into a dilemma; a fruitless run at a playoff spot that kept them from trading any of their impending free agents could make the coming rebuild even more challenging, but with recent playoff success with this group still in everyone’s memory, it’s not that hard to justify a “one last run” mentality.
So, this is the group where the interesting decisions lie. Most likely, the next month will help sort a few teams out of this group into either the definite buyers or sellers tier, and then a few of these teams will end up just sitting out the trade season, neither buying nor selling, and just see what happens with what they have. But this is also where the potential logjam lies, because these teams have players who would be in high demand if made available for trade.
Besides the short-term guys like Darvish or J.D. Martinez, this is where teams can dream of acquiring a guy like Chris Archer. Until there’s more clarity on what these bubble teams might do, you might see buyers holding off, not wanting to commit too early to paying a premium for Jose Quintana if they think an Archer or a James Paxton might hit the market a few weeks later.
With 12 teams in this big middle-ground area, it seems like we may not see a lot of short-term trade action. There are just too many teams who don’t know yet what they’re going to do.
| Team | W | L | Win% | Proj. Wins | Playoff% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Athletics | 31 | 38 | 0.449 | 77.4 | 6.0% |
| Marlins | 30 | 37 | 0.448 | 77.9 | 4.5% |
| Pirates | 31 | 38 | 0.449 | 76.7 | 4.3% |
| Giants | 26 | 45 | 0.366 | 72.5 | 0.5% |
| Braves | 31 | 37 | 0.456 | 71.6 | 0.3% |
| White Sox | 31 | 37 | 0.456 | 69.2 | 0.1% |
| Reds | 29 | 39 | 0.426 | 69.0 | 0.1% |
| Padres | 28 | 42 | 0.400 | 65.6 | 0.0% |
| Phillies | 22 | 46 | 0.324 | 62.7 | 0.0% |
I’m not using definite here, like with the buyers, because it’s just too easy to go on a bit of a run and talk yourself into holding your chips. And sometimes, the offers aren’t to the seller’s liking, so they just decide to wait until the winter, like the White Sox did with Chris Sale last year. But given where things stand now, I think these nine teams will be open for business over the next six weeks.
Just looking at the playoff odds, you could argue that the A’s, Marlins, and Pirates belong one-tier up, as each of them also project for 77-78 win range that would put them right in line with the Twins, Angels, and Royals at the bottom of the bubble team tier. But in each case, that projected win total is based on a second-half improvement, much of which would have to take place after the trade deadline. It’s a lot easier to buy or hold with a .500 record, thinking the projections are wrong, then it is to do so with a .450 winning percentage based on a belief that the projections are right and the team should start playing better any day now.
Five of the other six teams in this group are the ones that everyone basically knew weren’t going to win this year. The White Sox, Reds, Padres, Phillies, and Braves were pretty clear rebuilders heading into the season, and their first-half performance has just confirmed that they need to continue to look towards the future, turning present value into future value where they can.
And then there’s the Giants. No expected contender has face-planted as hard as San Francisco this year, as they now have a better shot at the #1 overall pick than they do of getting back to the playoffs. Even with a projected .511 win% over the rest of the season — which feels quite generous given what they’ve done to date — we still have them finishing with just 73 wins, just a game ahead of the Braves. And that’s without accounting for a potential trade of Johnny Cueto, a decision to not hurry Madison Bumgarner back in a lost season, or any other future-oriented decisions they might make.
The Giants season is already over. There’s no digging out of this hole, so they’ll join the rebuilders and the struggling fringe-contenders in listening to offers for their win-now guys. It should help them that we’re only looking at nine teams as likely sellers right now, especially since teams like the Padres and Phillies don’t have a lot left to trade away, but they might want to be aggressive in trying to make moves sooner than later, because when some of those bubble teams start looking to sell, the supply of available talent could go up quickly.
In the end, it looks like the league will break down roughly in thirds, with at least one team likely moving out of the bubble into the group of buyers, so we’ll have something like 10 teams in each group as we head towards the deadline. This could make for a pretty fascinating trade season, with perhaps more action than we’ve seen in recent years.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
The Brewers may be the most fascinating team on this list. The front office is smart enough to not blow up the farm to go for it but I doubt they were anticipating the team being this good. They need to do “something” you can’t really sell or stand-pat when you’re in 1st place, it doesn’t send a good message to the fans. They were really counting on being able to flip their bullpen guys. I’m guessing they make some minor moves, maybe a Scott Feldman type of guy and hope they fall out of it enough to become sellers. However, the Cubs really don’t seem like they want to get their shit together
There are things that can be done. You could try, for example, to sell bullpen help to the Nats in exchange for a back end starter that won’t play for them in the post season anyway. MIL could always agree to take on some $$$ to get someone’s bad contract without having to give up prospects. Bad contract guys can also sometimes be moved during the non-waiver trade period later in the season if MIL fades from contention.
But it’s a tight rope to walk…
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The Brewers seem more fascinating in theory than they are in reality.
They don’t have a lot of obvious guys to trade; Braun isn’t healthy and their rental bullpen pieces have pitched poorly. And they don’t have any obvious needs crying out for repair, outside of shoring up their bullpen. I think you’ll see them mostly stand pat, which might have been the case regardless of their record, with the only change being they might be a buyer for low-end relief arms if they’re still in the mix at the end of July.
Maybe the Brewers are fascinating in the way that people will talk a lot about them doing something when actuality they’ll do absolutely nothing.
Knebel has dominated and Jared Hughes has been decent. Trading Thames right now would net them a much better return for an under-the-radar free agent signing than anyone thought 3 months ago.
Thames is signed to a very team-friendly contract thru 2019, and the Brewers are contending now with youth coming shortly. You don’t deal Thames.
Brewers are prob a big pen addition away from having to be taken very seriously. And thing about that is they have a deep system from which to make an acquisition. No idea how their odds could be worse than the Mets who’ve been pretty awful.
If I was the GM of the Brewers, I would be channeling my inner Billy Beane or Neal Huntington to buy and sell at the same time (like the Pirates did last year at the deadline). I’d see if someone was willing to give me some good prospects for Garza, Braun, and Hughes (and maybe some other guys in the outfield too just to clear room for the prospects). I don’t think they’d get a ton of interest, and I wouldn’t sell low, but I’d at least try. But I’d also be trying to cash in some guys who would need to go on the 40-man soon for rentals and struggling-but-talented guys you think need a change of scenery. And I’d definitely be willing to take on salary to facilitate a deal in either direction.
Might be a good idea to try and sell high on Travis Shaw. If they could induce a bidding war between NYY and BOS, it could prove unexpectedly lucrative.
Do you really think after last year Boston would want him back? Shaw would be great in Yankee Stadium, but would the Yankees really chase a guy without pedigree and who struggled that much last year? I don’t think they’d be willing to pay up for that much control either.
I dunno. If you’re chasing a WS, saying you don’t want a player today simply because you didn’t want him six months ago when circumstances were different seems like a poor way to run a franchise. I don’t really think Shaw’s going to fetch A LOT from anyone, but he’s a useful bat playing a position of need for a number of contenders.
the Yankees couldn’t be induced to offer more than a a handful of (non-magic) beans for Shaw.
Tell that to the first-place (by 20 games!) 2001 Mariners, who stood Pat (Gillick) at the deadline. (And, yes, look where that took them.)
That’s called a “small sample size.” As a Giants fan, I’m glad you weren’t in charge there.
They should do very little and stick to their plan.
I suspect it was just an aside, but I’m having trouble coming up with a situation where James Paxton becomes available. He’s exactly the sort of asset the M’s should dream of acquiring to help them win in the short term. What reasonable package could possibly convince them to part with him?
I think it’s possible Dipoto would listen on Paxton if only because he would fetch a premium and the deadline to a definite contender, and his long and frequent injury history makes it very unlikely that he’ll ever be able to contribute enough innings in a season for the Mariners to really rely on him in their short window.
I think it’s possible that Dipoto would listen on Paxton because he likes trading, but there if you want to win in the next two years there is almost no situation where trading him gets you closer to that goal.
Is Paxton a FA after 2018 or 19? If after 2018, a deal for him could look like the Pomeranz deal.
This is just Paxton’s first arb year. With about 3 years of service time, he’s not a free agent until the offseason after 2020.
There’s no digging out of this hole….
never is
Oakland is most definitely selling. Their pieces are not going to return as much as past, so they need to make the moves count. So many holes in the field now, cannot protect the young arms. Even if they were around .500, the chances any of their top 7 SPs can take the innings load is too low. If Gray and Graveman had stayed healthy, it would have been worth considering. This is really an experience building season for Cotton, Manaea, Hahn, etc, so they can be at 180-200+ innings next year. And as much as I like Gray, he gives me the Rich Harden jitters.
Agree with A’s being sellers — makes me wonder if they re-sign Alonso to a low price, then deal him after contract is signed?
That sounds like a good way to make sure nobody would ever want to sign an extension with the A’s again.
Everyone talks about Detroit trading J.D. Martinez, but, I’m not sure the market wouldn’t be bigger for Justin Wilson.
A power lefty with 13K/9 innings under control until after 2019. I could see a team dreaming on him playing the Andrew Miller role.
Why not trade both?
Aside from more pitching (which almost all of these teams are going to look for), it’s hard to know what some of these buyers are going to want. The Dodgers could use a right-handed outfielder and the Red Sox could use someone at third, and maybe the Yankees try to plug their hole at first. But a lot of these teams like the Nationals and Dodgers are so loaded I don’t know what they would do aside from bolster the bullpen or the back end of a rotation.
On the other side, it’s not obvious what a lot of these teams are going to be selling. The A’s and White Sox have some pieces. But the Giants and Pirates probably want to compete next year and don’t have many expiring contracts, while the Braves/Reds/Padres/Phillies have already strip-mined their roster to build up the farm systems. Aside from a hot reliever (and maybe a back-end starter on an expiring contract) on each team there’s not a lot to sell. And the Marlins are trying to sell the team, so who knows what they’ll do.
This will probably become clearer in the next month but I have a hard time piecing too many trades together other than those that involve the bullpen or back-end starter.
The Nats are loaded elsewhere, but clearly need bullpen arms. They are most assuredly true buyers. And I would only be mildly surprised if they were to acquire another OF to play in center. Not that they actually need it but with Taylor being merely adequate, Eaton hurt, Werth about to go FA, and Harper gone after 18 I think they’d move if the right guy became available for the right price.
Gonna add Yankees 3B to the list after Gleyber Torres TJ news. See, all I had to do was wait a couple of hours and now we’ve got a new need.
Yankees have a 3Bman.
and he’s signed thru next season.
I hope you’re wrong about my Giants. Time to fix the farm system, bite the bullet for a couple of years. Don’t need a complete reboot, but they need to develop some players, maybe even acquire a good prospect or two.
the Braves have many trade-worthy pieces still: Jim Johnson, Jaime Garcia, Matt Kemp, Tyler Flowers, Kurt Suzuki, a few of the bullpen pieces, etc. Nothing special, but quite a lot of possibilities exist.
This is a great analysis. “how much of your farm system do you want to give up to chase a chance at playing one game with your season on the line?”
I don’t understand why more people don’t get this. Cubs are a great example of a team I would expect to NOT give up real assets for a limited chance to capitalize this year – when those same assets might buy 2-4 years of pitching to compliment a position core not even realizing it’s ability yet.
With the Cubs though their target would be winning the division. They are 9 games out of the WC, but only 2.5 out of the division lead. Seems they are in a much better position to add something than the others in the discussion. They will still need their guys to step up, but adding something could be beneficial.
I agree with jtmorgan, and the logical move for the Cubs is a trade that helps them not only this year but also in future years. Specifically, it makes ton of sense for the Cubs to acquire a starting pitcher with additional years of control, such as Quintana, Archer, or Paxton. Lackey and Arrieta are both free agents after this year, and another starter would bump Eddie Butler out of this year’s rotation.
Archer or Paxton would cost the Cubs an insane amount, because you first have to even convince the GMs to deal, and then you have to pay for a top-of-the-rotation pitcher on an affordable contract at the trade deadline. There are a few teams that could make a deal like this without completely wiping out the farm system, and the Cubs probably aren’t one of them.
No idea why Dave keeps floating the idea of the Rays dealing Archer. Makes no sense that a team on the verge of contention would consider dealing their below market ace who’s locked up for several more years. Dealing him would be a sure way to keep the seats empty in Tampa.
This. Unless the Rays get an absurd return (Herschel Walker kind of trade) there is NO WAY they’re trading Archer. The team has 5 years left of control with a well below market salary, it makes no sense to move him.
Shows you how important a hot start is.
Last year the Yankees started off 12-18 and then went 21-16 and continued playing well up till that last series at the TD. They sold.
This year they started 21-9 and then went 17-20 yet are definite Buyers.
Well in one case they are a game below .500 and probably had playoff odds of around 5-10%, whereas in the other case they’re 9 games over .500, in first place, and have a 75% chance of reaching the postseason, so…
The Marlins are a team i’m really curious in what they’re going to do. By BaseRuns they’ve actually been pretty solid this year but it hasn’t worked out and the hill looks too steep and i’m pretty sure they could use the upgrades to the farm. But besides Stanton’s massive contract they have a really solid set of relatively young and valuable position players. Ozuna and Yelich obviously but also Justin Bour, J.T. Realmuto, and even Dee Gordon whose base running and defense probably makes him at least average. I also think Straily is a keeper but pitching wise things are mostly pretty bare minus him. So do they sell off some of those valuable and young position players to boost their farm system or hold out, maybe trade someone lesser and hope that next season they’ll be able to compete? If they do full sell there’s some solid value to be had.
They could theoretically sell off some bullpen pieces, which are what everyone is going to be seeking. They’ll most likely keep their core pieces.
If a team picks up Stanton’s entire contract, what type of prospect/player has to go back? I assume not much given the size of the future commit
If I’m a GM, I only look at my division chances. The wild card essentially halves your “playoff” exectancy (if you are out of division contention.
For example, Im assuming the Rangers 18% is almost entirely wild card. Realistically, that’s a 9% chance at a real run. It’s 18% to get to a 50/50 wild card. Not worth trading future value for imo.
Also, if I’m the Astros (or a team with a similarly large lead), I don’t trade one of my top 10 prospects for a negligible difference in division odds. The playoffs are a crapshoot so that’s not likely to matter either.
As a Braves fan, it feels like we really blew our chances at the Deadline last year to land some quality prospects. Julio Teheran was pitching probably one of his best years, nearly every team was trying to buy pitching at the deadline, and very few quality starters were available. Unfortunately, I think the Shelby Miller trade was still coloring their decisions at the time as Coppy and Co. seemed convinced that they could land a similarly lopsided deal for Teheran.
It depends on what kind of offers they were actually getting for Julio and how GM’s around the league actually value him. With his contract he’s insanely valuable to the Braves, even if he’s really only a #3 at best. For me to have wanted to see him moved someone was going to have to offer at least one elite position prospect, and honestly I don’t think anyone was giving that up for him. The Sox weren’t going to offer Benintendi or Moncada, the Astro’s weren’t going to offer Bregman, and quite honestly the Braves didn’t really need to move him for a package of 3-4 fringe/middle tier prospects because they’ve got more of that in the farm system than they really know what to do with.
I know no one in Baltimore wants this, but they have to trade Machado, don’t they? That team has no pitching, and is not exactly young all over the field. No one wants it, but it seems like it really needs to be done.
Maybe this is a silly question for a team that’s 36-31, but what are the Indians even in the market for?
The bullpen is fine, their position players are all entrenched (Jan Gomes has been OK, between Zimmer/Chisenhall/Brantley the OF is unspectacular but OK)
Maybe a back end starter?
I’m just not seeing what they would buy that would be enough of an upgrade over what they have to be worth the cost.
Barring injury, probably a back-end starter only. They could upgrade in the outfield, but have been ok there. Rebuilding teams aren’t going to want a Lonnie Chisenhall + mid-level prospects, but he’s good enough for the Indians not to dump for nothing.
That aside, Chisenhall has been solid this year; the Indians aren’t going to want to give him up easily. Maybe they trade for Jeremy Helickson or someone like him, but even then, I doubt it. Francona likes the current rotation, and Clevinger is there if the Indians need another solid starter.
I was so happy when the Royals started the year off terribly because it meant that this situation would never come up. Being awful would make it easy to do the smart thing and sell. Then everything had to go well for them, dammit.
(FTR they should still sell)
“Wild Card teams can win the World Series, of course, but how much of your farm system do you want to give up to chase a chance at playing one game with your season on the line?”
Billy Beane has shown that he will give up the future of the franchise to do this.
Mets at 9.7% – LOL!
Lots of stuff to digest here, and some quality. I do really disagree with the “Middle” group of teams though, as the claim “Very mediocre is Seattle & so on..” is right for 1st part of the season, they now are now blessed with some health and I’m pretty sure they’re the best of that group when going near full strength.(Some may say TB, who I consider probably 2nd/3rd of that group, but I watched their series @ Seattle were they got swept, and destroyed while basically being dominated in every facet of the game, from the 1st inning in each series. The most thorough beating in a while.(most of what I just wrote is simply what Kevin Cash said himself after the series. Was impressive stuff)