Skin in the (Ball) Game: Do Teams Underperform When They’re Out of the Race?

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Recently, I was listening to one of my favorite non-baseball podcasts when baseball unexpectedly cropped up. Well, the theory of skin in the game cropped up. The idea, espoused by many people but notably by Nassim Taleb, is that actors perform better when they get rewarded for a good outcome and punished for a bad outcome. Want a better doctor? Fine them if they misdiagnose a patient, but give them a bonus for prescribing the correct treatment. Better money manager? Force them to invest all their own money alongside their client. You get the idea.

Anyway, one example of skin not being in the game is a sports team playing out the string. For most teams at most times, sports is a very skin-in-the-game-intensive field. If you hit well, you get paid more. If you don’t, you might get sent to the minors. If your team wins, they make the playoffs. If the team doesn’t win, no postseason. The incentives are straightforward.

At the end of a long season, however, it might not feel that way. If you’re 50-100 in late September, the rewards of a good game aren’t that high, and the cost of a bad game is quite low. If you’re 15 games out in the race, being 16 games out won’t suddenly bring out the detractors. You can think of these teams as having no skin in the game; the result of one game won’t change anything for them.

To some extent, you can think of teams that have already qualified for the playoffs as being in the same boat. If you’re 15 games up in your division, you might be more willing to experiment with a new pitch, or perhaps take it easy in the field to avoid injury. After all, winning or losing today matters less when tomorrow is already assured. That’s not to say nothing matters – playoff positioning is important, teams like carrying winning streaks into postseason play, and poor performance could lose a player his spot on the playoff roster – but a lot of the pressure is off.

That makes the teams in the middle, fighting for but not assured of a playoff spot, the ones with the most skin in the game. Winning is vitally important if you want to keep playing. Perform poorly, and that’s it. Doing well as a team is the only way to advance, which means your teammates will likely also hold you accountable.

Does all of this stuff matter? I could see it going either way. On one hand, I’ve seen bad teams sleepwalk through September with putrid records. On the other hand, the Pirates just swept the Dodgers. Bad baseball teams beat good baseball teams all the time, even if they seemingly have less to play for. I decided to conduct a study to see whether reality checks out with intuition.

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The setup for this is fairly simple provided you have access to FanGraphs game and playoff odds for the last eight years, which I luckily do. I decided to focus on the last month of the regular season, because while we can call a team out of the race in the first month of the season, it probably doesn’t feel that way to players on the team. At 7-10, say, or 5-15, you might be unlikely to make the playoffs, but the lived experience won’t feel that way. By September, reality has likely set in.

I took our playoff odds for each team on each day of the last month of the regular season for the 2014-21 seasons. I grouped teams into three camps: likely out of the playoffs (less than 25% odds), in the hunt (25-75% playoff odds), and likely in the playoffs (more than 75% odds).

From there, I checked how each group did against each other group. For example, the teams that were likely out of the playoffs played to a .410 winning percentage against teams that were in the playoff hunt. That’s only 463 games; as it turns out, most games in September are played between teams that are both out of the hunt, and the other groups are somewhat less common.

How much should we expect those out-of-the-race teams to win? There are two ways of looking at this. I’ll detail them both before letting you know which I prefer. First, you could use season-to-date winning percentage for each team to come up with a naive win probability for the game. If a .600 team plays a .500 team, their expected win percentage should be .600. If they play a .400 team, their expected winning percentage should obviously be higher – .692, per Bill James’s Log5 approximation. We could even add home field advantage to clean the projections up a bit.

Next, you could use our projection-based odds. Those use the lineups each team submits, the scheduled starters, and a composite picture of each bullpen to create a team’s expected runs scored and runs allowed. Those are then converted to a winning percentage, and with a little home field advantage sprinkled in, you get projections for every game.

I’m partial to the second method. Using the first method, you could find that teams out of the race systematically underperform their season-to-date records and still not say anything about the skin-in-the-game theory. Why? Teams that are out of the race often run out weaker lineups on purpose. Want to see what you have in a rookie who blitzed Double-A at 21? Give him a shot! Want to give your star an extra day of rest, or skip your ace’s turn in the rotation for workload management? There’s no downside. Teams that are out of the playoffs often play weaker than their record, regardless of whether or not there’s some skin-in-the-game effect. They’re just using worse players!

Using the roster-aware odds accounts for that issue. By looking at the odds projected for each lineup, we can theoretically isolate how frequently a team should have won and compare it to what actually happened. That will give our answers more intellectual heft than just saying “oh they didn’t win too much, that seems bad.” Clearly, I chose to use our lineup-adjusted odds, though you could repeat the study with naive odds as well.

With our pregame predictions settled, I took every game contested in the last month of the regular season starting in 2014. For each game, I noted four things: the home team’s playoff odds coming into the day, the away team’s playoff odds coming into the day, the projected home team winning percentage, and which team won.

I then discarded games played between teams in the same group – two out-of-the-race teams can’t tell us much about skin in the game by playing each other, nor can two teams with similarly uncertain playoff futures; each team’s motivation is presumably equal. All we care about is what happens when one group plays another.

I’ll tell you my hypothesis: before I ran the numbers, I expected teams that were out of the race to underperform their expected winning percentages in every case. I also expected teams with their playoff berths secured to do slightly worse than expected against teams playing for their playoff lives, for similar reasons. Next, the results:

Skin in the Game – Results
Team Opponent Proj W% W% Difference Games St Devs
Out of it 25-75% .443 .410 -0.032 463 -1.4
Out of it Locked in .414 .386 -0.028 1319 -2.1
25-75% Locked in .463 .418 -0.045 165 -1.2

Ok, kind of what I said! But there’s standard error to consider. If you use a binomial estimation of standard deviation, teams that are out of the playoffs perform 1.4 standard deviations worse than you’d expect against teams in the hunt. In other words, they’ve won 15 fewer games than we’d expect out of the 463 contests they’ve played against those teams whose playoff destinies can change.

When out-of-the-race teams play against teams that have already secured their playoff berths, they don’t do as well as projected either. In fact, it’s a larger shortfall by standard deviation; out of the 1,319 times that down-and-out teams have faced off against playoff locks, they’ve won 37 fewer games than our odds predict. Finally, when teams that are already in the playoffs faced off against teams playing for their future, the locked-in teams comfortably outperformed their expectations.

The end takeaway of all this? I think you can say with some certainty that teams that are out of the playoffs play worse than their projected talent level down the stretch. Maybe that’s because they’re coasting, maybe that’s because their managers use lower-leverage relievers and generally protect their best arms, maybe it’s because they’re more likely to go out the night before and eat some fried food. I couldn’t hope to figure out why from this study. But the effect does feel real to me, even if it’s not a complete no-doubt lock.

There are a few other interesting effects – for example, this down-and-out penalty seems to apply more in road games than in home games, though the sample size is necessarily smaller there. Additionally, when down-and-out teams play each other in September, the home team massively outperforms expectations. Perhaps the crowd can keep teams in games that they’d otherwise give up on? Perhaps it’s less fun to stay out the night before when you have a chance to sleep in your own bed? Sounds like a fun thing to investigate sometime.

Overall, I’ll say this: I think that the skin-in-the-game effect exists in baseball. Teams that are out of the playoff hunt mostly play worse than you’d expect, even after you account for their diminished rosters. The exact composition of the effect is uncertain – and hey, I have a pile of data to play with, so if you have any other ideas for how to split this up, please let me know – but it seems very real.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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SertoriusMember since 2023
4 years ago

Interesting! I wonder if there is a strong enough effect there that should change how we evaluate players on bad teams. For example, in most basketball advanced stats they need to control for average deficit in games played.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago

I think this is a multi level model- you have to account for the fact that different players have different incentives and that probably impacts performance. Guys in a walk year are probably going to play hard regardless of their team’s position. Same with people whose position on the team is uncertain- rookies and fringe vets. I bet the different player level effects totally eliminate any team level effects

Last edited 4 years ago by dukewinslow
dl80Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

I think guys coming off a major injury, one whose injury-prone, or one who is nursing a minor injury are also likely to play less hard, and, therefore, worse.

I have no idea how you could identify them, though.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dl80

You can build an injury hazard model, but the last time I wrote one like 2-3 years ago I wasn’t super confident in it because of the relative lack of observations. I was just tooling around with it, and I know some more serious people have better models they like. So you could see how an “injury risk/recovery” parameter correlates with stuff, but I’m not sure how confident you can be in what goes into that parameter

Last edited 4 years ago by dukewinslow
PC1970Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

You beat me to it by 8 minutes. Darn work getting in the way again!

Mahoney
4 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Lol, work ALWAYS gets in the way!

Mahoney
4 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Agree this should be looked at, but not entirely sure about impact. One example would be the walk year – you might see guys in their walk year fully locked-in at the plate, even in a blowout, but they might NOT be as inclined to risk injury on certain types of plays even in a tight game (ex. – fly balls hit close to the OF wall or in foul territory).

dl80Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

The Bryce Harper Experience

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
4 years ago

I’d double up on your conclusions, actually. The bit about fielding intentionally worse lineups is literally not playing to win. This is a thing teams with skin in the game do not do. So teams that are out of it are (a) setting out to accomplish things likely detrimental to winning today, as well as (b) underperforming even the lower expected standard.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I think that this is technically true, but if you’re implying that they’re tanking I doubt this interpretation of this team is right. Teams do trade established players for prospects at the deadline, but that’s not intentionally trying to be bad. Playing younger players to see what you have is not intentionally trying to be bad. These are intentional decisions that make the team worse in the present but it’s not inherently a goal.

And in cases where players are so horrible they actually would decrease the likelihood of winning, they seem to be pretty likely to be sent to the minors or DFA’d or benched. The Brewers dumped Ramon Flores in 2016; The Marlins dumped Lewis Brinson. The one exception I can think of is Chris Davis, but even they benched him. There’s something really viscerally unpleasant about tanking that teams generally don’t do it in baseball. This is especially true for pitchers.

dl80Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Trading mediocre/cromulent veterans for a lottery ticket, salary savings, or international signing money is the kind of tanking that doesn’t get criticized enough.

I’m talking about trading Josh Bell for a non-prospect (Eddy Yean) and a mediocre reliever (Will Crowe) because he was going to get expensive and then playing Colin Moran for 100 games at first.

Or trading Adam Frazier for 3 35 prospects.

None of the guys they got back in either deal make them any better or more likely to contend (and never were), so the only thing it did was save the owner money, which he then didn’t put back into the team.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Hey, Tucupita Marcano is currently rocking a 148 wRC+ for the Pirates. Don’t laugh! Jack Suwinski is also somehow holding his own both in right field and at the plate. I am skeptical either one will continue but that deal looks better than I expected.

I think the real issue is that the Pirates have often been more interested in acquiring bulk than higher-level prospects in those trades with the Padres. The Frazier and Musgrove deals were both sort of like this–the only guy who really looked good in either deal was Endy Rodriguez (who didn’t even come from the Padres and was part of a complicated deal with the Mets). I didn’t like those deals at the time, and even with Bednar, Marcano, and Suwinski emerging I’m still skeptical of them holding. But that’s a quibble with execution rather than overall direction.

The Bell trade was a little different in that it was seen as pretty reasonable at the time. Eddy Yean and Wil Crowe didn’t work out but they were viewed better at the time than the guys the Pirates got from the Padres. They were seen as 40+ prospects, and Colin Moran was seen as equivalent to Bell. Obviously it didn’t work out that way but that was a reasonable deal at the time.

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NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Crowe has been a decent reliver for the pirates. He is .5 fWAR this season in 36 IP as of today. Assuming Bell was not going to resign with the Pirates and Crowe continues to perform, it’s not a bad trade considering the more years they will get out of Crowe. Bell is a bad defensive player.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Tanking happens, but I don’t consider typical late season non-contender behavior to be tanking per se. Tanking is closer to intentionally losing and is more of a season(s) long organizational objective. It’s setting out to be bad in order to increase the chances of acquiring better talent in the future. When non-contenders call up prospects and run them out there to see what they can do, it’s going to cost your team ballgames, but it’s not tanking. When non-contenders sell off expiring contracts it’s also going to cost your team games, but not nearly as many as never signing them in the first place.

Last edited 4 years ago by HappyFunBall
PC1970Member since 2024
4 years ago

Good stuff Ben. It would be a heck of a project, but, I’d love to see player performance broken down for these teams by length of player contract.

The thought is veterans that have guaranteed $$ & a roster/lineup spot locked in play worse when there is nothing to play for whereas those who are fighting for a spot or pending FA’s may still have the internal motivation to play well.

toothless
4 years ago

Love the article and idea!

I also expected teams with their playoff berths secured to do slightly worse than expected against teams playing for their playoff lives

Doesn’t the last row of the table sort of disprove this part of the hypothesis? To me it looks like the common factor is that the Proj W% is overestimating the underdog’s chance across the board.

JohnThackerMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  toothless

Yeah, although if I understand correctly, “Locked In” here just means “greater than 75% chance,” because Ben divided the teams into three groups, not literally “locked into a spot.”

Naively, I would expect a big difference in motivation between “75-95% chance to make the playoffs, but still trying to clinch,” and “literally already clinched a playoff spot.”

Even though a 75% chance in September feels more locked in than a 75% chance earlier (only the Phillies in the 2020 short season have been over 75% in September and not made it, though Toronto was extremely close to 75% last year in September), I would see teams playing hard until they’ve literally clinched the spot.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  toothless

I had/have the same thought – Ben states that “I also expected teams with their playoff berths secured to do slightly worse than expected against teams playing for their playoff lives” – in which case, the locked-in win% would be worse than expected against the “fighting for their lives” contingent. Instead, the “fighting for their lives” team is winning only 41.8% of their games against the locked-in teams when they were expected to win 46.3%?

Mahoney
4 years ago

Thanks for looking at this Ben – confirming a common-sense hypothesis has a lot of value. In particular, it shows the danger of having unbalanced schedules combined with a high % of teams that don’t have skin in the game. This has long been a problem in the NBA, to the point where teams that were comfortably in the playoffs would often sit their big-name stars for road games late in the season, depriving fans of those teams of the chance to see the stars they paid crazy money to see live.

Baseball needs to add some more incentives for teams to win late in the season. Giving preferential treatment within the postseason to the top 2 division winners is a good start, though I’d like to see something like the NBA play-in for the wild-card teams to keep them from coasting if they’re safely in for the WC but out of the running for their division title.

Incentives for the teams out of contention get trickier. You could of course put together a lottery for the amateur draft, but realistically it would likely only include a few teams near the bottom. I think if you were to make the Rule 5 draft more relevant by dropping the control roster to say 30 players, but allowing teams to protect additional players whenever they lose one (like the typical rules for an expansion draft), then you can set up the Rule 5 draft order to go from the winningest non-playoff team down to the team with the worst record, then the playoff teams in reverse order of record. Something like that might nudge a middle-of-the-road team to play a decent lineup even if their playoff odds have fallen to the low single digits.

joe_schlabotnik
4 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

bring relegation to the MLB!

dl80Member since 2020
4 years ago

The Dayton Dragons and the Reds switch!

joe_schlabotnik
4 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Hmm.. i’m trying to imagine how this would be constructed in a perfect scenario. Obviously, in this world theres no antitrust exemption. And therefore no draft. And probably no college baseball because its my dream world and college sports are abhorrent. So elite prospects form undeveloped – but teeming with potential – junior superteams that scout and develop them. Kinda like dortmund. I guess it would be as simple as forming a senior and junior circuit. It would be amazing, periodically teams would emerge that would have just an entire core of 20-23 year olds that click perfectly and make it to, and excel in the senior circuit. Immediately upon making the senior circuit, those teams appeal more to free agents. The coolest benefit would be that the junior circuit would be such an intriguing league, just young players desperately working to make it into the big leagues. every game would matter so much.

after starting to follow the premier league a bit this year i’ve started to think of the mlb as a chuck e. cheese professional sports league. it is lacking in so many ways. but i just love baseball too much to fully abandon it

achidesterMember since 2020
4 years ago

You’re right to say that a pro/rel model exists only if both the antitrust exemption and the reserve clause never existed or ceased to exist in, like, 1940.

It also assumes that MLB’s westward expansion in the late 1950’s happens parallel to the so-called minor leagues being successful enough to independently maintain a full league worth of teams as the MLB expands.

But of all the North American leagues/structures that best mirrors European “soccer”, baseball is the one I think of. It’s not perfect, and the idea of loans and academies replacing farm systems and drafts is so foreign to how we conceptualize sports in North America.

joe_schlabotnik
4 years ago
Reply to  achidester

regarding the ability to maintain a full league worth of teams, I think introducing something like relegation would dramatically change the way the senior circuit was composed. a lot of middling veterans wouldn’t be rostered by truly competitive teams – those guys would end up supporting the junior circuit. And quad A types might actually thrive. I think there’d be more than enough – and that there was more than enough in 50s.

I agree that its a foreign concept, but we have accepted much crazier notions to be suddenly introduced to us. lifting the antitrust exemption alone would force baseball fans into an incredibly exciting period of creative thought about how the game will change. that alone could weirdly end up being the MLB’s saving grace.

achidesterMember since 2020
4 years ago

I would love to see it, and I think it would expand baseball’s popularity.

Ostensibly RidiculousMember since 2020
4 years ago

I would love this!

samuraihelmet
4 years ago

Do the roster aware calculations take into account year-to-date performance? If not, my thinking is that some part of out-of-race teams performing worse than projected could be the players performing worse than projected, agnostic of the playoff situation.

eastmanMember since 2022
4 years ago

This is cool. Thanks. It seems to me that a league with relegation on the table could be interesting to look at to test this hypothesis as well. That would (I think) let you have a group of bad teams with “skin in the game” – kinda the inverse of the good teams with no skin 🙂 here.

JohnThackerMember since 2020
4 years ago

One more reason why roster-aware odds are more appropriate – teams out of the race might have traded away their better players before the trade deadline (and vice versa for teams aiming for the playoffs.)

Mahoney
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

I’d like to see the roster-aware odds vs. an appropriate “roster-neutral” model’s odds, just to see how much of any impact is due to front-office decisions vs. managerial decisions of whom to play from the available players vs. the impact of performance differences from the players themselves. Might be some heavy lifting to have this analysis be apples-to-apples

JohnThackerMember since 2020
4 years ago

I grouped teams into three camps: likely out of the playoffs (less than 25% odds), in the hunt (25-75% playoff odds), and likely in the playoffs (more than 75% odds)… I then discarded games played between teams in the same group – two out-of-the-race teams can’t tell us much about skin in the game by playing each other, nor can two teams with similarly uncertain playoff futures; each team’s motivation is presumably equal. All we care about is what happens when one group plays another.

Am I correct then to think that that “Locked In” in the table doesn’t mean teams that have literally locked up a playoff spot, but is all the teams that have more than 75% odds? I would assume naively that the skin in the game and motivation is quite different between a team that still needs only a few more wins to clinch a spot and a team that has literally already clinched.

KennyMember since 2017
4 years ago

I think this result suggests something very different than you think it suggests. In fact, while the data presented in this article is insufficient for robust conclusions, I think the suggestion here demonstrates the opposite of what, in a narrow economic sense, one would expect from a “skin in the game” effect. It demonstrates something much more akin to a community effect.

In order for your argument in this article to make sense, you have to assume that the primary motivation for a baseball player is for their team to win enough games for the team to make the playoffs. Certainly I accept that this may be one among several motivations. But obviously this is an insufficient account of motivation among baseball players, the whole middle swath of whom move from team to team, spend a lot of years as hangers on, and never become the players associated with championships even when they happen to luck out and fall on a championship team one year. Sure they like to win, and sure they like the bonus money that comes with it. But the primary motivation for most players at most times, and for all players on noncompetitive teams at the end of the season, is their next job, and for young players, their next raise. Underperforming at the end of a season doesn’t help them get that next job or raise.

[Note: we are finally used to asking the question of whether the owners of small market or simply lackluster teams are actually trying to win, rather than trying to find ways to profit regardless of whether they win. It took analysis forever to get to what should have been a pretty obvious point from an economic point of view. The player situation is not a perfect mirror of this, but given that most players at most times demonstrably don’t care what city they play in or who washes their laundry, we should obviously be thinking of player motivation beyond the question of winning as well.]

The results of your study suggest that we should retain the motivation to win as a real thing, since in spite of my implied expectations – that players have motivation to do about as well regardless of whether their team is “in the race” – your numbers suggest that where players are in the race matters a lot. And of course you are right about this. Players do in fact play differently, and better, when they are motivated to win than when they are only playing for their next paycheck. The difference between your claims and mine concern what this suggests about human motivation. From my point of view, this does not in any way prove any version of a “skin in the game” hypothesis; it does the opposite. Players always literally have “skin in the game”: the next pitch might hit them, they can have a career ending injury, etc. They also in the economic sense have skin in the game, in regard to their future employment. If, in spite of these things, which are individual interests, team performance nevertheless has additional effects on their individual performance, that could plausibly send us in the direction of exploring all those other things that analytics is perhaps not so great at exploring: comradery, the skill and importance of field management, collective will, momentum, and other social concepts outside the strictly economic.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  Kenny

This is the key problem with relegation in baseball: even bad teams have good players and relegation would send down good players under contract.

Baseball teams may or not be incentivized to play to win every single day but individual players alnost always are incentivized to perform. They in effect “sing for their supper”. Or in the case of marginal players, their pension.

The matter isn’t just of team integrity but of player integrity. For the majority of players their performance defines them and being out is essential. Which is why players will so often play hurting. Nobody wants to be seen as a failure.

Shirtless Bartolo Colon
4 years ago

You can never have enough skin in the game.

johndarc
4 years ago

I think the thing that is hardest to quantify is pride. Players don’t get to MLB if they don’t care, generally. So they don’t want to lose even if they’re 50 games back.

I’d say it’s record, then individual numbers, then pride. You wanna win, and barring that, you wanna do well for your own arbitration case/keep a job.

dl80Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  johndarc

That’s fair, but I think we’re talking about the difference between 90% effort and 100%.

Is a guy going to run super hard out of the box on the 0.5% chance of a fielder making an error when the season is all but over? Or bust it trying to stretch a single into a double? Or lay out to try to make a catch on the outfield?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  johndarc

I think this is an interesting point. I don’t think there are many players who throttle back their effort if they’re on a bad team, and the ones that do probably only do so in the field (a la Bryce Harper).

I think the better question is whether players can focus if they’re unhappy. For some players, maybe it doesn’t affect them. But for others, it’s not so much that they’re not giving everything, it’s that it’s distracted if they’re losing all the time. I think that’s how I’d interpret these findings.

joe_schlabotnik
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

soto seems to be an interesting case of this. I doubt for a second that he “isn’t trying”, but his wheels seem to be spinning when hes in the batters box cause i think he just recognizes that his at bats are just that much less valuable now. He’s simultaneously overexerting himself and resigned. when the stakes are high, he’s always been the first guy to just do anything to make contact and find a hole. i wouldnt blame him for swinging for the fences more often this season, but it doesn’t seem to be working.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

The guy that came to mind when I wrote this was Trevor Story, who was miserable in Colorado last year and frustrated and it definitely showed up in his game. I assume he was trying but he was a mess.

D-WizMember since 2019
4 years ago

I wonder if the 75% threshold is too low for “locked in”. Even though those teams are likely to be in the playoffs, I’d have to think the majority of the teams in that bucket are still playing to secure a division title or better wild card spot, etc. Seems weird that the middle category teams would underperform against the “locked in” category, but I wonder if that still holds against the true postseason locks – 95%+ playoff odds or something, or maybe just those that have already clinched their spot, whether that’s a division title or a wild card with no hope of catching the division leader.

Last edited 4 years ago by D-Wiz
Groundout
4 years ago
Reply to  D-Wiz

This — and that 25% is too low for out of it.

A quick and arbitrary search shows that on 9/10/21, both Seattle and Oakland were 77-66, only two games in the loss column behind New York and Boston. Oakland’s playoff odds were 17%, and Seattle’s were around 9%.

The idea that a game only two losses out of a playoff spot in September would consider themselves “out of it” doesn’t really pass the smell test. And I doubt those Red Sox, at 75% but in the last spot with three teams within striking distance, felt terribly safe.

Ostensibly RidiculousMember since 2020
4 years ago

This doesn’t explain why the White Sox are underperforming so much when they should have skin in the game

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago

something something Tony LaRussa something something “YOU NERDS HATE OLD PEOPLE!” 😀

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Tony LaRussa has one of the most experienced guts in the business, To bad it takes naps in games so much lately.

szakylMember since 2024
4 years ago

These game day odds assume a “composite picture of each bullpen”. Wouldn’t a team with skin in the game be more willing to put in their best relievers on consecutive days more often, particularly high-leverage situations? Or is this taken into account in the Depth Charts innings pitched?

Ben SchneiderMember since 2020
4 years ago

Why do you think the best teams are overperforming against teams in the hunt? Is it really just because they are better?

voxpoptartMember since 2016
4 years ago

Very interesting study, thanks! The first re-examination I’d suggest is what if you sorted the teams differently – say, 0-5%, 5-90%, 90-100%? I’m interested that you got results as strong as you did when you include Locked Out/ Locked In teams that still have so much ambiguity.

Also, August is post-trading-deadline. Would the effect already be detectable? Another possible study topic. If you’re interested, obviously.. 🙂

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago

To me this is purely common sense, but it’s nice to see some math supporting it. I think it helps to explain why players play differently after a trade (they try harder which may lead to pressing).

I personally think a player’s defense is worse when he plays for a team that is out of it! Why because they do not want to risk injury when going all out won’t change the standings.

chewbaccaMember since 2019
4 years ago

These are the types of articles for which FanGraphs is best situated. This article addressed fundamental issues. Any website can discuss an individual player’s recent trials or tribulations. It takes some FanGraphs-quality thinking and analysis to address this level of baseball zen. Congratulations and thank you once again, Ben.

JoeyVottoIsGoneMember since 2016
4 years ago

“I don’t know the answer to this question, but I’m about to find out.” – Phil Castellini

fmhemker
4 years ago

I wonder if you could apply this analysis to various international soccer leagues that use promotion/relegation.