Spending $50 Million on Two Very Different Pitchers
Early in the off-season, Ricky Nolasco signed with the Minnesota Twins for $49 million over four years. Over the weekend, Matt Garza signed with the Milwaukee Brewers for $50 million over four years. While these contracts are nearly identical, the two pitchers could hardly be more different.
Over the last three seasons, Nolasco has averaged 199 innings per year, while Garza’s averaged just 152 innings per year. Nolasco has been reliably durable, avoiding the disabled list entirely for each of the last three seasons, while Garza has had three separate stints on the DL since the start of the 2011 season. Nolasco’s strongest selling point is his health track record; health is Garza’s weak point.
Nolasco has his own weak points, however. He’s consistently underperformed his FIP for nearly his entire career, as his 108 ERA-/92 FIP- is the largest spread of any active starting pitcher in baseball at the moment. While Nolasco’s BB/K/HR rates are all solid, he has a long history of giving up hits on balls in play and failing to strand runners, so his run prevention has never matched up with the estimators. Garza, on the other hand, has a below average BABIP for his career, and has a slightly positive ERA/FIP differential, though that hasn’t held true over the last three years.
On a per-innings basis, Garza is pretty clearly the better pitcher, but Nolasco has traditionally given his teams more innings. The choice between the two could be generally described as the age-old trade-off between quality and quantity. And the market has apparently determined that the difference in durability exactly offsets Garza’s difference in per-innings performance, as they signed the same basic contract in the same off-season with neither having free agent compensation attached.
That brings up the obvious question: is the market right?
Let’s start with what we know about predicting pitcher injuries. Jeff Zimmermann has done a lot of work on disabled list forecasts, and last year, the model he created to forecast DL stints did astonishingly well. If you look at the data he’s produced for 2014 DL predictions, you’ll see that, on average, starting pitchers are forecast to have a 38% chance of landing on the disabled list, with the spread ranging from roughly 30% — guys like Madison Bumgarner, Clayton Kershaw, and Mike Leake — up to around 50% — Tim Hudson, Brandon McCarthy, and yes, Matt Garza — at the higher end of things. Bartolo Colon stands out as something of an outlier, getting a 64% chance of landing on the DL, but the range is mostly 30%-50%, as 113 of the 127 pitchers fall within that span.
Zimmermann’s model definitely labels Garza as high-risk and Nolasco as low-risk, as Garza is forecast for a 51% chance of landing on the DL at some point in 2014, while Nolasco is just at 34%. This is a big gap, certainly, but what does it translate into in terms of expected number of starts going forward? Well, pulling Zimmermann’s data for disabled list stints by pitchers in 2013, I found that the average DL stint for a hurler last year was 69 days, though that is significantly inflated by pitchers who missed the entire season after recovering from surgery. The median is probably a better number to use here, since most pitchers who land on the DL don’t end up having season-ending surgery, so we’ll use the 51 day median instead of the 69 day average.
Taking Zimmermann’s DL forecast percentages and applying them to the 51 day median length of a DL stint for a pitcher, we’d find that his model would suggest Garza may be in line for something like 26 days on the DL next year. That’s basically a whole month of the season, and would cost Garza roughly five starts, plus some diminished performance on either side of the DL stay, so maybe the real cost is a loss of six or seven starts. That’s 20% of the season, and with that kind of risk, it’s easy to see why teams weren’t exactly bidding through the roof to land Garza.
However, Nolasco is still a pitcher, and even previously durable pitchers get injured too, so the difference isn’t five extra starts for Nolasco. The model projected him for a 34% chance of landing on the DL, after all, so applying the median DL stint of 51 days, it would suggest 17 DL days for Nolasco in 2014. Instead of a 26 day difference, we’re actually looking at a nine day difference in DL forecasts, or essentially two starts of the season.
Two extra starts. That’s roughly 12 extra innings. Even if you used the average DL stint instead of the median (to account for the higher chance of Garza actually needing surgery and missing the whole year), you’re still only looking at a 12 day DL difference, which is still only 2-3 extra starts over the course of the year. We’re talking about a forecast health difference of less than 20 innings, based on Zimmermann’s model at least.
If we’re really only looking at a 20 inning difference between a very high risk and a very low risk starting pitcher, then it seems that perhaps the price discount that injury prone starting pitchers are taking might perhaps be too high. After all, over 160 innings at something close to their career norms, Garza should be expected to allow roughly 70 runs, while Nolasco would be expected to give up something closer to 85 runs in 180 innings. Getting 20 extra innings and giving up 15 additional runs in the process isn’t so beneficial to winning games; any generic Triple-A arm can make up 20 innings while giving up fewer than 15 runs in the process.
Of course, these numbers are all estimates, and teams have far better access to medical data than we do. It is probably telling that a bunch of teams who have had Matt Garza aren’t interested in having him back, and they’re the ones who know the most about the red flags that doctors have raised. However, projecting future health is still mostly guesswork, and it seems like it’s possible that teams are putting too much of an emphasis on formerly durable pitchers and not enough on the quality of the pitcher when he is on the mound.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
Just a heads up:
“Nolasco is forecast for a 51% chance of landing on the DL at some point in 2014, while Nolasco is just at 34%”
I get the point that for 2014, the Garza contract is favored. But in a 4 year contract, injury risk may be considered somewhat cumulative since there is an increased chance he not only goes down for an extra 9 days, or the whole season even, but an increased chance of him being hurt this year in a career ending injury that must be priced into the contract. Right?
Agreed. The chance of injury is significant not only for the missed time but also the possibility of an injury diminishing future performance. That said, I’d still take Garza.
I think the signings had a lot more to do with WHEN they happened vs. what they were. I think even the Twins would have taken Garza’s deal.
You may have something there. Typically, players that sign early in the offseason generally get more favorable contracts than those that sign late. Of course, some of that may be that the ones that sign late have some drawbacks that make teams hesitant to fork over money for them. Draft pick compensation, injury history, inconsistency, age.
I like the Brewers went the high risk model. They’re not getting the the playoffs with Nolasco. But if 2011 Garza shows up and Pittsburgh and Cincinnati both take steps back, they can sneak into the Wild Card.
I would love to see an article discussing the way insurance on baseball contracts actually works as far the premiums/amount of coverage, how many teams actually use it, and what contracts they use it for (i.e. always if above a certain $ amount or on a case by case basis based on the player). That seems to me to be the elephant in the room in analyzing these two types of deals. If the Brewers are protected if Garza goes down to injury, that changes the analysis dramatically (of course, the cost of premiums also would need to be factored into the deal).
That would be fascinating, but that is rarely if ever made public, no?
I believe you’re right. I’ve looked for information on that before, and can only find vague statements about insurance coverage for professional athletes. Nothing specific or detailed enough to know just how it all works.
I think all of us would love to see that. Unfortunately, I don’t think that insurers take on large contracts like these much.
I can’t remember which players were being referenced, but the Giants GM has noted before that insurers don’t take on big contracts like that, or rather, the premiums are so high that teams are better off self-insuring.
do you (or anyone) know what self-insuring looks like? is there like actually a captured insurance set-up, or does that basically just mean trying to mitigate risk over all the contracts and therefore nothing actually formal?
self-insuring means you eat the contract yourself if an injury happens
Yeah, Garza’s good when he’s healthy. Nolasco is never good.
Give me Garza every time.
“Nolasco is never good.”
Nolasco is occasionally good, but almost never great.
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2008 is the only time in his career that has Nolasco prevented more runs than a league average pitcher would have.
He’s never good.
Except in 2008…
Good point, he was good 6 years ago.
Should Mike Mussina be the next target on their list? Or do you think it would be a better move to throw $49M at John Danks or Josh Beckett?
Jesus Christ, people. Refute me if you disagree.
It’s kind of funny that the best thing for the Brewers might be for Garza to blow out his elbow his first start of Spring Training. Then they get him for an extra year for 1M when the Brewers are (hopefully) closer to contending.
Steve, the Brewers are contenders this year.
Probably shouldn’t have traded away their dirt cheap 3+ WAR outfielder for a reliever then?
They’ve got some good pieces, but contender….please…
1.7 WAR last year and in decline, plus they only had 1 year of team control left so they need to balance long-term needs too. We’ll have to see what Khris Davis does over a full season before completely judging that deal.
I agree they need things to go right to contend but ruling them out for several years is not correct either.
he was still 3 WAR via Baseball reference.
They could have tried to move someone to first base instead of throwing a bunch of crap against a wall there instead. I say this without knowing a thing about Khris Davis though, other than his stat line last year…
I got the 1.7 from fangraphs, not sure what is right.
There was no one to move to first base. Davis is like 5’10 people were talking about him playing first last year and the team said it wasn’t going to happen. I know fans tend to think you can throw anyone at first base no matter if they’ve ever played there and they’ll be fine, but it isn’t that easy. Khris Davis and Caleb Gindl are both plenty competent in the corner outfield. Aoki is a nice player, but not significantly better than what they’ve got and Smith is a valuable piece to get in return. I would definitely question b-ref’s account of Aoki defense. He’s got a weak arm and he plays right field almost back at the warning track.
Davis being too short is pretty interesting, given that Fielder is about 5’9″ in real life..
@shoe Haven’t you realized yet that when you want to overrate a player you choose the higher of the two WAR values and when you want to underrate them you choose the lower?
Prince Fielder may be only 5′ 9″ but he also is not a good first baseman. If Fielder couldn’t hit like he does, he wouldnt play first base.
Contenders for what? 3rd place? Maybe. The playoffs? Keep dreaming, Brewers fan.
3rd place could be the wildcard. I’ll keep dreaming.
Connie Mack? Is that you?
I think you could also look at this as systemic vs. individual risk. If all front offices were as smart as they should be, they would be pricing in a base level of injury time in pitcher contracts. If this were true, then you really would only be discounting players based on their expected injury time above the baseline, which could to some extent justify the Garza and Nolasco deals at the same value despite the quality difference. Whether teams are actually factoring a 30% expected injury risk is the question, but recent deals such as the Felix Hernandez 1 year injury-related option show that, at the least, they’re starting to.
Seems to me like your approach is flawed here. When looking at injury risk, there are two different issues: risk of getting injured and how long the injury will last. Zimmerman predicts the former, but as far as I can tell, does not predict the latter.
I think the extrapolation of the median number of days for pitchers on the DL and dividing by the odds of going to the DL to determine the number of predicted days for next year lacks anything to back it up as a reasonable approach for predicting the number of days these guys will end up on the DL. Over a four year time period, this method becomes a little bit better, but then we have to start calculating the odds that at some point over those years a pitcher will have a career-changing injury.
Why not use their injury histories to try to figure that out? Obviously, the best way would probably be doctor’s reports, which we don’t have access to. In any case, the data presented here doesn’t much help for a long-term valuation of the injury risk.
Added to this, it seems reasonable to assume that a pitcher with an injury history, like Garza’s, will end up on the DL for a longer period of time if he gets injured, than a pitcher like Nolasco who has never been on the DL.
It also fails to take into account that any injury that goes into 2015 gets counted against the contract, but those injuries impact in the following season in the population don’t get factored into the median day count.
What about an analysis of the Garza contract, given all the injury protection provisions for the Brewers (an extra club option year at either $1M or $5M, depending on the specific injury). To me, it looks like the Brewers got a lot of injury protection, making this a very good deal for them.
There’s some serious problems with this analysis (some of which are mentioned above, but worth restating).
1) Zimmerman predicts injury probability, but not injury severity. It is possible that previous injuries predict longer stays on the DL.
2) There is no effort made to account for the fact that a DL trip may coincide with changes to the effectiveness of the pitcher. That is to say, Garza may be mildly injured for some time, show reduced fastball velocity, and reduced effectiveness as well. Or, post-injury, Garza may suffer lingering aftereffects which reduce his effectiveness.
3) and finally, as noted above, there are issues of long-term career survival for pitchers this old. It may be the case that injury probability predicts a greater likelihood of no longer being in MLB by age 32 or 33 or whatever. This survivor bias would be very difficult to detect or measure, but is a considerable factor, I imagine, over the life of a 4-year deal for a 30-something pitcher.
I think the author tries to address #2: “plus some diminished performance on either side of the DL stay”.
“It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” ? Yogi Berra
Dave, with the rise of the team option at near league minimum salaries, wouldn’t it seem like a no-brainer to bet on talent over durability?
You should also consider the depth the team has to draw from, for injury replacements. The Brewers have a fairly large number of low-end SP. As such, they can easily replace Garza with a competent player if he gets injured. So the gamble for higher upside is worth it, more so than if they did not have a number of potential injury replacements ready to go.
On the other hand, the marginal upgrade to Nolasco from a guy like Thornburg (or Nelson, Gorzellany, etc) wouldn’t be worth the cost.
The premise is flawed — this is not a trade-off between quality and quantity
1) “Garza is pretty clearly the better pitcher” — In terms of rate stats, they are nearly identical and its not a great argument to say, “but hey let’s throw out FIP and xFIP just this time cause it doesn’t suit the argument”. Pitching for the team with the lowest payroll in baseball likely means you have a below average defense, with the Marlins ranking in the bottom quartile for the last five (!) years. That may explain the whole “consistent FIP ERA gap” issue. Also, LOB rate doesn’t account for fielding, again a potential explanatory factor.
2) Efficient Market — The price that these teams paid for each player doesn’t necessarily reflect an efficient market transaction, as there were likely only a few teams vying for mid-rotation starters, but trapped in mid-market price range. To boot, a player is not required to take the highest offer, nor is every team going to value a player in the same manner. There was clearly some injury issue MIL saw, but doesn’t guarantee all teams view that same risk.
3) Specific to comparing these two, Garza was formerly a Twin, drafted in the 1st round and traded away. He was passed over by inferior talent Scott Baker and Kevin Slowey publicly for poor “make-up” and refusal to follow coaching on his pitch selection. It was also widely speculated by the media that Garza was traded for that attitude difference with the Twins front office. If you were Garza, I’d hardly expect you would want to go back to the team, and if you were the Twins, I’d doubt you’d want that guy back.
The problem with these models is that the analysis is based on a blended probability whereas reality is binary – each pitcher will either go on the DL or not. It is therefore exceedingly unlikely that the difference between the two will in fact be 20 innings.
I know this is obvious but the impication is that it favours taking the higher quality/higher risk route. All baseball teams have a range of possibilities going into a season, I would rather my team tried to make the top end as high as possible (unless they clearly cannot contend) rather than following an approach which may end up making mediocrity more likely
As MLB Rainmaker, I think this is kind of cherry picking stats to make your arguement look better. His whole “point number one” in his comment post is spot on. The Marlins have had terrible defense and the two pitcher’s FIP and xFIP in their careers are pretty close, but they favor Nolasco. But in this post about the two pitchers it basically ignores that because it puts a huge dent in your arguement. Their career numbers side by side do not show that Garza is “clearly the better pitcher.” In terms of “stuff”, probably yes, he is…but in his career he hasn’t been “clearly better.”
Their K/9 in their careers are also very close. Nolasco has been better at limiting HRs. LOB is definitely better for Garza, but again Nolasco had terrible D behind him so how much is that a factor? Garza pitched in front of a great defense with the Rays. I’m not sure about his other teams defense, but again…that’s a factor that hurts Nolasco and it’s not completely his fault, if it’s even his fault at all.
What hurts Nolasco is that he’s going from NL to AL. From my own observation, no research done to look into it, it seems like the guys who have at least a 8 or 9 k/9 in the NL do better in the AL than the guys who switch and they had a 6 or 7 k/9 in the NL. That number usually seems to take a huge hit and that’s a problem. Nolasco putting up a 4 or 5 k/9 in the AL probably would get crushed, so I’m hoping that does not happen. It’s just an observation I noticed, but again..no research done to know for sure.
Nolasco has provided more innings and that is valuable. I think they’re pretty equal pitchers. To me, the difference between the two may be 5 million dollars and you can pick either guy to give the extra 5M to and it wouldn’t be wrong either way. And honestly, the difference in value may not even be that high either.
As a Twins fan, I would have loved to get both, but the Twins were scared by Garza’s health risk and they have every reason to be scared of it. The Twins need innings. Getting innings from the SP has been a huge problem for several years now. They usually can get one guy to pitch at least 170 innings and the rest is “I hope at least one other can get to 150.”
There’s no guarantee Nolasco doesn’t get injured, but his past has shown that he is durable. That has huge value to a team like the Twins. I honestly think that the Twins are worried Garza’s arm is going to be an issue whether it is this year or next. Most of his injury stuff is recent so it may only be a matter of time for him..
I wish the Angels had signed Garza.