Sunday Notes: My Friend Sam Has an Interesting CBT/Bird Rights Idea

Last Sunday’s column included my opining that Joey Votto should retire rather than sign with a team other than the Cincinnati Reds, thus making him a one-franchise player. My friend Sam — a bona fide baseball nerd — read the column and proceeded to share an interesting thought when I ran into him at the coffee shop we both frequent. Being of the belief that players sticking with one team is a good thing — I think most fans would concur — Sam wonders if tweaking the Competitive Balance Tax in a manner that would incentivize teams’ ability to re-sign their free agents might be possible. For instance, if player X were to sign a one-year $20M contract with a new team, the entire amount would factor into the team’s payroll. Conversely, if Player X re-signed with his old team, a lesser amount ($10M?) would count toward it.

Sam didn’t mention Mookie Betts, but he may well have had him in mind. With their superstar outfielder one year away from free agency, and the CBT an acknowledged factor, the Red Sox traded Betts, along with David Price, to the Dodgers, thereby slashing over $40M from their forthcoming 2020 payroll. The deal put them a reported $18M below the threshold. Whether or not Betts would have opted to re-sign with Boston is another question, but the CBT clearly played a role in his departure.

Ben Clemens brought up basketball’s “Bird Rights” as a parallel when I asked for his thoughts on Sam’s idea. As my colleague pointed out, NBA teams get to exempt hometown stars from the salary cap in some situations. Of course, MLB doesn’t have a ceiling. Nor does it have a floor, which further complicates the issue.

There are admittedly imperfections in Sam’s idea. Most notably, teams like the Red Sox whose payrolls are near the luxury tax threshold would be most directly impacted. Giving them an opportunity to re-sign an attractive free agent and still remain under the threshold would disadvantage smaller market — i.e. lower-payroll — clubs who might otherwise ink him to a contract. That said, how often would a smaller-market club, as opposed to a deeper-pocketed one, be signing said player? Probably not too often.

Finding a way to better enable smaller-market/lower payroll teams to retain (ditto obtain) players is itself a huge challenge, largely because we’re typically talking about billionaire owners who prioritize pocketing money over spending it. (That’s not to suggest the Dodgers don’t have significantly more resources than, say, the Guardians or Pirates, but a billionaire is a billionaire.) What baseball really needs is the aforementioned salary floor. Might that keep more players with one team longer, as opposed to their essentially being waved goodbye because Scrooge McOwner can’t “afford” them? Regardless, the CBT only does so much, and it is far from perfect. Baseball’s entire economic system is far from perfect.

———

You Aren't a FanGraphs Member
It looks like you aren't yet a FanGraphs Member (or aren't logged in). We aren't mad, just disappointed.
We get it. You want to read this article. But before we let you get back to it, we'd like to point out a few of the good reasons why you should become a Member.
1. Ad Free viewing! We won't bug you with this ad, or any other.
2. Unlimited articles! Non-Members only get to read 10 free articles a month. Members never get cut off.
3. Dark mode and Classic mode!
4. Custom player page dashboards! Choose the player cards you want, in the order you want them.
5. One-click data exports! Export our projections and leaderboards for your personal projects.
6. Remove the photos on the home page! (Honestly, this doesn't sound so great to us, but some people wanted it, and we like to give our Members what they want.)
7. Even more Steamer projections! We have handedness, percentile, and context neutral projections available for Members only.
8. Get FanGraphs Walk-Off, a customized year end review! Find out exactly how you used FanGraphs this year, and how that compares to other Members. Don't be a victim of FOMO.
9. A weekly mailbag column, exclusively for Members.
10. Help support FanGraphs and our entire staff! Our Members provide us with critical resources to improve the site and deliver new features!
We hope you'll consider a Membership today, for yourself or as a gift! And we realize this has been an awfully long sales pitch, so we've also removed all the other ads in this article. We didn't want to overdo it.

RANDOM HITTER-PITCHER MATCHUPS

Matt Holliday went 5 for 12 against Ervin Santana.

Juan Gonzalez went 6 for 7 against Johan Santana.

Will Clark went 8 for 8 against Julio Santana.

Danny Santana went 9 for 14 against Gerrit Cole.

F.P. Santangelo went 9 for 11 against Frank Castillo.

———

The Dodgers opened their coffers to the tune of a reported $1.2 billion in recent weeks, signing Shohei Ohtani and Yoshinobu Yamamato, and also trading for and extending Tyler Glasnow. With those expensive expenditures in mind, I ran a Twitter poll on Friday asking the degree to which you [the person voting] will root for the Dodgers in 2024 relative to previous seasons. The three options were increased, decreased, and no different.

The results suggested that neutral fans aren’t prone to root for… well, MLB’s equivalent of U.S. Steel, be it located in New York, Los Angeles, or wherever. Only 18.5% of voters opted for “increased,” while 34.3% went for “decreased” and 47.2% settled on “no different.” With the caveat that the top choice was itself neutral, potential bandwagon jumpers were outpaced by naysayers nearly two to one.

It was once said that rooting for the Yankees was like rooting for U.S. Steel, and that decades-old quote seems appropriate today — albeit with an impeccable timing twist. In the very same week that the Dodgers signed the second of their two Japanese imports to a record-setting deal, Nippon Steel reached an agreement to acquire U.S. Steel.

———

A quiz:

Which position (right field, center field, and left field counted separately) has accounted for the most MVP awards?

The answer can be found below.

———

NEWS NOTES

C.J. Nitkowski is leaving the Texas Rangers’ broadcast team and will be serving as the primary analyst in the Atlanta Braves television booth beginning next season. The former big-league left-hander has been in his Rangers role since 2017.

The Chicago Cubs have hired Matt Hinkley as their Arizona-complex pitching coordinator. Hinkley has spent the past two years as a pitching coordinator at Cressey Sports Performance.

The Arizona Diamondbacks have hired Kyle Driscoll as their minor league pitching coordinator. A Former pitching coordinator at Cressey Sports Performance, Driscoll was a coach with the New York Mets Triple-A affiliate last season.

Larry Miggins, an outfielder who appeared in one game for the St. Louis Cardinals in 1948, and 42 more in 1952, died earlier this month at age 98. The Bronx native had two big-league home runs, one each against Preacher Roe and Warren Spahn.

Ryan Minor, an infielder who played for the Baltimore Orioles from 1998-2000, and for the Montreal Expos in 2001, lost his life to cancer this week at age 49. The Canton, Ohio native replaced Cal Ripken Jr. in the Orioles lineup on September 20, 1998, ending the Iron Man’s record 2,632 consecutive-games-played streak.

——-

The answer to the quiz is first base, with a total of 37 MVP seasons. Right fielders are second, with 30 MVP seasons. (Hat tip to MLB.com’s Thomas Harrigan, whose November article on the subject was the first that came up when I did in search after coming up with the quiz question.)

———

Left on the cutting-room floor from my quote-driven feature that ran here at FanGraphs on Wednesday was Craig Breslow’s response to a question about the pitching-development program he’s instituting in Boston. I asked the club’s new Chief Baseball Officer if vertical approach angle and deception are being baked into their assessment process.

“Vertical approach angle is something we can very comfortably measure,” replied Breslow. “Deception is a little bit more nuanced, but technology is emerging that allows us to account for what we think might contribute to deception [and] to be able to model that and create some quantitative contribution of deception. Intuitively, one way to approach that is, ‘Who are the pitchers who consistently outperform expected outcomes, or underperform expected outcomes?’ You try to drill down into where that’s coming from.”

A few of Boston’s more-promising pitching prospects possess plus stuff, but are lacking in command. The Athletic’s Jen McCaffrey followed up my question by asking how that all too common shortcoming can be addressed .

“It’s difficult to articulate how you improve command in the same way we can talk out improving velocity or pitch shape,” said Breslow. “I think command is something that takes more time; it’s something that compounds over time. But from a physical perspective, it’s providing immediate feedback on whether you accomplished a task, whether that’s throwing to a target or to strings. There are also mechanical markers that we’ve identified that are strongly correlated to command, and ensuring that we hit those benchmarks. And then, I think there is a mental component, a willingness to trust and to challenge the strike zone with your stuff.”

———

My November 22, 2015 Sunday Notes column included the following:

Yuki Matsui won’t be coming stateside any time soon. The left-hander turned 20 years old three weeks ago and he’s only pitched in the Japanese Pacific League for two years. Even so, he is a name worth knowing.

Three more paragraphs followed those lines, the last of which cited a scout’s opinion that Matsui would likely be a fourth-round pick were he eligible for the amateur draft.

Eight years later, the now-28-year-old reliever is now a San Diego Padre, having signed a five-year deal with the Friars yesterday. He’ll come to MLB with an impressive résumé. In 10 seasons with NPB’s Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles, Matsui logged 236 saves and allowed just 436 hits while fanning 860 batters in 659-and-two-thirds innings. A name worth knowing indeed.

———

FOREIGN AFFAIRS

Takahisa Hayakawa is 4-0 with a 1.00 ERA and 46 strikeouts in 27 innings for the Australian Baseball League’s Perth Heat, The 25-year-old left-hander went 6-7 with a 3.44 ERA for Rakuten this past season.

Yuhi Sako allowed two hits and one run over seven innings on Wednesday as the Australian Baseball League’s Canberra Cavalry crushed the Sydney Blue Sox by a count of 10-1. The 24-year-old native of Japan pitched for the independent Frontier League’s New Jersey Jackals this summer.

Miguel Sanó is slashing .225/.346/.405 with two home runs in 107 plate appearances for the Dominican Winter League’s Estrellas Orientales. The 30-year-old corner infielder last played professionally with the Minnesota Twins in 2022.

Max Murphy is slashing.279/.380/.570 with 12 home runs in 208 plate appearances for the Mexican Pacific Winter League’s Mayos de Navojoa. A 31-year-old outfielder who played in the Minnesota Twins and Arizona Diamondbacks systems from 2014-2019, the Robbinsdale, MN native has spent the last three summers with the American Association’s Winnipeg Goldeyes.

Jeff Kinley is 5-0 with a 2.70 ERA over 53-and-a-third innings for the Mexican Pacific Winter League’s Algodoneros de Guasave. A 31-year-old southpaw from Saginaw, Michigan who pitched in the Miami Marlins system from 2015-2019, Kinley last played stateside with the Atlantic Association’s Chicago Dogs in 2022.

Adael Amador — the top prospect in the Colorado Rockies system — is slashing .243/.372/.300 in 86 plate appearances for the Puerto Rican Winter League’s RA12. The 20-year-old shortstop spent most of this season with High-A Spokane.

———

Earlier this month, The Boston Globe’s Matt Porter wrote about New England-based sports teams that almost relocated to other cities — as well as a few that actually did. His mention of the Boston Braves, who moved to Milwaukee prior to the 1954 season, included a fact I was aware of but had never really put much thought into: Henry Aaron debuted that year, and had he done so in Boston, both he and Ted Williams would have played in the same city at the same time.

Porter didn’t present this specific scenario in his column, but I can’t help but wondering what might have happened had the relocation — driven by economic factors which included attendance issues — not happened when it did. The Braves were coming off a pair of losing seasons when they departed Boston, but promptly won 92 games after arriving in Milwaukee. Moreover, by the end of the decade they’d played in two World Series, winning one of them. The roster on the championship club included not only Aaron, but also fellow Hall of Famers Eddie Mathews, Warren Spahn, and Red Schoendienst, as well as eight-time All-Star Del Crandall.

As for Boston’s other team, the Red Sox were routinely middle of the pack during this period — despite the presence of The Splendid Splinter — and never seriously contended at a time when the New York Yankees were dominating the American League. With that in mind, suppose a young superstar like Aaron had been leading a high-quality, Boston-based National League squad while the Red Sox were treading water in the junior circuit? Might the Braves still be in Boston and the Red Sox elsewhere? Or could the city have continued to support two teams? If so, for how long? We’ll never know.

———

LINKS YOU’LL LIKE

At The International Examiner, Emily Hawks talked to Kerry Yo Nakagawa — the founder of the Nisei Baseball Project — about the little known history of Japanese baseball.

At Northwest Baseball History, Amanda Lane Cumming presented us with a tribute to the extra-inning games of yore, including a 20-inning affair between the Mariners and Red Sox in 1981 that helped forge her fandom.

DRay Bay’s Elizabeth Storm wrote about Tyler Glasnow’s departure from Tampa Bay.

Royals Review’s Preston Farr feels that Kansas City’s 2024 offense could be better than you think.

Hall of Fame voter Bill Ballou put checkmarks next to just two names — Adrian Beltré’s wasn’t one of them — on this year’s ballot. He explained his reasoning at The Worcester (MA) Telegram & Gazette.

———

RANDOM FACTS AND STATS

San Diego Padres batters had 1,316 hits and 1,311 strikeouts this past season. Minnesota Twins batters had 1,336 hits and 1,654 strikeouts.

Minnesota Twins pitchers had 1,560 strikeouts and allowed 1,294 hits. Colorado Rockies pitchers had 1,129 strikeouts and allowed 1,599 hits.

Chase Utley had 1,885 hits, 3,189 total bases, and 61.6 fWAR.
Robin Ventura had 1,885 hits, 3,133 total bases, and 56.7 fWAR.

Ken Griffey Jr. had 1,662 runs scored and 1,836 RBIs.
Rafael Palmeiro had 1,663 runs scored and 1,835 RBIs.

Vinny Castilla batted .304 with 40 home runs, 113 RBIs, and a .548 slugging percentage in 1996. He batted .304 with 40 home runs, 113 RBIs, and a .547 slugging percentage in 1997.

Robin Yount had 21 home runs, 103 RBIs, 19 stolen bases, nine triples, and nine GIDPs in each of the 1987 and 1989 seasons.

The New York Yankees signed David Wells to a free-agent contract on today’s date in 1996. The well-traveled southpaw — he played for nine different teams — went 34-14 over his initial two years in pinstripes. Wells went on to have a second two-year stint with the Yankees and went an identical 34-14 from 2002-2003.

The Detroit Tigers traded Happy Townsend to the Cleveland Naps in exchange for fellow right-hander Red Donahue on today’s date in 1905. Donahue proceeded to go 13-14 in 1906, while Townsend went 3-7 in what was the last of his six big-league seasons. A native of Townsend, Delaware, “Happy” had gone 5-26 two years early pitching for a Washington Senators squad that finished 38-113 with five ties. Two of the tie games were extra-inning affairs against the Tigers in which neither team scored. Townsend tossed 11 scoreless frames in one of them.

Players born on today’s date include Kirt Ojala, who pitched in 56 games for the Florida Marlins from 1997-1999. A left-handed knuckleballer, the Kalamazoo, Michigan native finished his MLB career 3-10 with a 4.71 ERA.

Also born on today’s date was Keith Luuloa, an infielder whose MLB career comprised six games with the Anaheim Angels in 2000. The Honolulu native went 3-for-4 in his final game and had six hits in 18 at-bats in all.





David Laurila grew up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and now writes about baseball from his home in Cambridge, Mass. He authored the Prospectus Q&A series at Baseball Prospectus from December 2006-May 2011 before being claimed off waivers by FanGraphs. He can be followed on Twitter @DavidLaurilaQA.

41 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago

The best way to get small market teams to compete for players is to open their baseball operations books using the same accounting standards for each team. Atlanta is the only team that needs to disclose their finances. This allows most teams to claim poverty without anything to back it up.

CC AFCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  dangledangle

Sounds awesome, but good luck trying to get the owners to agree to do that

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  dangledangle

I’m going to throw a wrench in your idea. There are a large set of teams that have poisoned their relationship with the fans through crying poverty, which then hurts their revenues. The Athletics, Pirates, Guardians, Marlins, Reds, and (maybe) the Rays are in this position. Fans don’t like whiners. If those teams open the books, and I think it’s likely that we’re going to see that they can’t spend that much more than they really are. But it’s still kind of their fault.

Interestingly, the reverse isn’t necessarily true. There are models for teams that punch way above their market size / tv contracts in fan engagement like the Twins, Brewers, and (especially) the Cardinals because they aren’t out there trying to work the refs. But aside from the Cardinals, who took something like 3 generations to get to this point, they haven’t seen the same upside as the A’s / Pirates / Guardians / Marlins have seen downsides. (You could also theoretically put the Padres in this latter category but since they spent so much money they nearly ran out of it, it’s probably a better reflection of the diminishing returns to big contracts for driving revenues)

Last edited 2 years ago by sadtrombone
fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Dolan wiped out a decade of Jacobs good will with one statement: that the team’s following year budget would not grow and in the future only depend on attendance revenues. The statement came *after* season ticket sales were completed and before a losing season.

A friend of mine fronted a group that collectively bought four season tickets and then divided the dates equally for 7 years. That was the end of that.

Even after 2016’s run they’ve never come close to selling out the season despite reducing park capacity to 34,850 from 42,865.

Dolan’s tight fists aren’t the only (or even main) reason for the team’s budget limitations but he hasn’t helped at all.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

But the issue is that these teams are running payrolls below what each team receives from MLB central funds and revenue sharing. Each team receives over a hundred million before local revenue. Oakland for example is the lowest ranked team in terms of revenue at $212m according to this source. https://www.statista.com/statistics/193645/revenue-of-major-league-baseball-teams-in-2010/

They had a total payroll of 49m to 66m depending on how you measure it. Obviously there are costs in addition to payroll.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/oakland-athletics/payroll/2022/

All of this should come with an asterisk because there isn’t a standardized accounting framework. But it’s clear that their revenue could support a larger payroll even without an attendance bump.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  dangledangle

That is definitely not correct. Someone is taking raw numbers without taking into account how much they are paying in—it’s complicated. The Captain’s Blog (the author is a commenter here occasionally) has the Rays and Marlins getting the largest share at about $55M. The A’s only get about $10M. Everyone else is somewhere in between.

MattMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If you don’t think the Brewers are whiners you are unfamiliar with their production of the second biggest lake in Wisconsin with his stadium hostage situation. He got hundreds of.millions approved and they will now trade Burnes, Adames, and if he could find a taker one thinks Yelich. He is so poor he bought a foreign soccer team.

hofisajoke
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

A’s have had more really good teams that many franchises, in the last 20 years, despite their smaller fan base.

Would the A’s have been better for longer, if they’d signed more of their stars to long term contracts?

maybe, but the Eric Chavez deal didn’t work out.
Miguel Tejada was only a star for 3 seasons after leaving.
mulder was basically done a year after being traded.
zito wasn’t so good in SF.

Tim Hudson maintained value.
Donaldson did, too.

Obviously recent trades haven’t worked out well for oakland (yet) and my guess is that Atlanta will be happy with their 1B and Catcher for a while.

I don’t doubt they have a smaller margin of error when making decisions on who to sign long term or trade away, compared to most franchises.

If the website I just pulled up is accurate, A’s have been around 200 million in revenue lately. dodgers are closer to 600 million.

according to a different site teams spend more on payroll than other expenses (while making a net 1.2 billion income).

“Of that expense, $4.6 billion went to paying player salaries, and $4.1 billion went to “other” expenses — which include front office and staff payrolls, minor league costs, stadium expenses and the cost of operating MLB’s central office.”

based on that, a’s should be able to maintain a payroll of $100+ million (with the dodgers being able to triple that payroll).

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  hofisajoke

Yes and this gets to my point that because we do not know for sure there isn’t a definitive answer and it’s speculation. Owners essentially can say whatever they want or not say anything except to their GM.

Resigning players is one thing but being able to add where needed to a competitive team is where the most marginal gain can be captured. The O’s are a perfect example if they have a great young core, but they have an obvious hole in their rotation that they can’t fill with in house options. Being able to add a couple of middle of the rotation starters would make a huge difference for them in the upcoming season.

JohnHavok
2 years ago
Reply to  dangledangle

You’re forgetting the other team in MLB that is also publicly owned, the Blue Jays

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  JohnHavok

Publicly traded.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  JohnHavok

Fair

DH
2 years ago

If the Braves had stayed in Boston, would Ted Turner have bought the team?

if he hadn’t, then the Braves wouldn’t have been on TBS all the time in the 90s.

And if they hadn’t been on TBS all the time, they’d probably have a lot fewer middle-aged fans, likely including me.

PhilMember since 2016
2 years ago

One team stars are pretty cool, however, changing the rules by reducing the CBT hit will only benefit the richest teams, as you mentioned, and these teams are the ones who aren’t struggling to retain their stars. Should the Yankees reduce their CBT number by $20 million because they resigned Aaron Judge – giving them more CBT space to sign the star players of small market teams? (Or the Dodgers when Kershaw signed his big extension, or the Red Sox and Devers, or…)

What the smaller market teams care about is actual dollars, so I don’t know if you can do something where any non-luxury tax paying team who have a player who have played for only them (in the majors – so Tatis Jr would count for the Padres), earning more than the qualifying offer, gets a higher proportion of shared revenue? So the Reds get a bonus for giving Joey Votto a big contract (as well as the actual bonus of having Votto play for them)

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Phil

I have long thought that the best way to do this while also balancing competitiveness is to (1) increase revenue sharing and (2) only allow them to use the money for guaranteed contracts above the minimum. So for example, if a team gets $50M in revenue sharing, $50M of it has to go to guaranteed deals given through free agency or extensions. Not team options, not arbitration, not the pre-arb year-to-year…just in new money. If they don’t spend it, they lose it.

This is essentially a salary floor by another name. The big downside to this is that you’d have to start at a much higher level than whatever teams are getting now, and you would have keep increasing the revenue sharing over time. That’s a lot of maintenance and I don’t think either the owners or the players want to bargain over this in addition to everything else, so it’s not likely to happen.

MikeSMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The problem with revenue sharing is the same as the problem with a salary cap – what revenue counts? If the owner sells off the parking lots around the stadium or the concession stands in it to a company he owns, does that count? If he owns the stadium and leases it out for Taylor Swift concerts, does he have to share that? If he builds an offsite practice facility that also has a shopping mall, food court, and amusement park, is that baseball related revenue? What if they buy a share in the RSN? Or build a hotel/entertainment district across the street from the stadium that just happens to do it’s best business on game days?

The only real difference is that then you have the owners suspicious of and policing each other instead of creating an even more adversarial situation with the players. MLB/MLBPA could also look at other sports to learn what tricks might be tried. Guys like Jerry Jones seem to be pretty good at generating revenue that they don’t have to share with the other NFL teams and Dan Snyder was fined for hiding something like $11M in revenue.

Last edited 2 years ago by MikeS
g4Member since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

While I’m sure Jerry is adept as anyone at concealing ancillary revenue, it doesn’t hurt the competitive balance of the NFL because the biggest slice of the pie — TV revenue — is legitimately shared. Perhaps the Cowboys can afford to invest more in facilities than other teams, but no NFL franchise cannot afford to buy/extend the best players. Every team is on equal roster-building footing and all finish each year in the black because of generous revenue sharing.

Billionaires or not, I’m so sick of the argument that it’s reasonable to structure a pro sports league so that Owner in City X can compete on the field as long as their franchise loses money (at least on an annual basis) while Owner in City Y can compete with profit-protected impunity. Stop pointing to Fisher and Nutting as proof nothing need change . Those guys suck but are outliers, and ALL the owners run their teams as businesses first. There’s a dozen-plus mid-payroll teams in MLB that do what they are able to win, short of risking a financial loss, and those teams start every offseason behind the 8 ball.

If I have any takeaway point to make it’s this: The Steinbrenners, Henrys, Lerners, Liberty Media, Dodgers Corp, Middletons, Johnsons, Rodgers Media, and Cohens of the world are NOT sacrificing a single cent of personal wealth to land the best players. (OK, maybe crazy Cohen.) TV revenues fully fund their massive payrolls. Expecting only small market owners to make such a sacrifice to create competitive balance is a trash league design.

John ChurchMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  g4

I’ve often wondered if broadcast rights fees should be split between home and away teams for each broadcast, say 60/40. You need both teams to show the game, after all.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  g4

I feel like we keep falling into the same trap on this. Everyone wants more payroll parity across the league (by which we mean that small market teams spend more, not that big market teams spend less), but without doing the one thing that creates payroll parity: revenue smoothing.

The NFL and NBA have given us clear examples of how these systems can work, in markets MLB would never enter because in the MLB system they aren’t financially viable. And MLB would kill to have either of those leagues’ futures. You’re not going to get a salary floor without a salary cap. And you’re not going to get either without assuring teams that they’re going to be financially solvent.

PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

Yeah, that’s the elephant in the room. Just look at the NFL:

Kansas City has won 2 of the last 5 SB’s & has the best player in the league (Mahomes) signed for over a decade.

Buffalo- (smaller than any MLB city) – has a QB making over $40M/year & is a consistent playoff team.

Green Bay- Had 25 years of Brett Favre & Aaron Rodgers, paying them big $$ along the way. Only got rid of Rodgers because they found his replacement.

Tampa- Signed Tom Brady as an FA away from New England.

Pittsburgh- Always a solid team & have had a bunch of big name, big $$ players- Ben Roethlisberger, TJ Watt, etc.

That’s 5 markets- 2 of which are too small for MLB, 3 of which can’t compete with big market teams that are hugely successful..meanwhile, the NY teams are laughingstocks, so is Chicago.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

And in the NBA we’ve got teams in Orlando, Indianapolis (along with the NFL), Charlotte, Cleveland (where MLB is failing), Denver (ditto), Oklahoma City, Memphis, Portland, and Sacramento. Markets MLB would be horrified to enter. All making money, all paying superstar salaries, and all of whom are worth more than most MLB teams (the average NBA franchise is worth $4b, the least valuable being Memphis at $2.4b, which would make them the 11th most valuable MLB team – the average MLB franchise is worth $2.32b, with the least valuable being Miami at $1b… where there also happens to be an NBA team, which is worth $3.9b).

Whereas in MLB everyone wants small market teams to spend more, but also don’t want to give up their financial advantage. You get one or the other. Pick.

Last edited 2 years ago by synco
TonyMember since 2017
2 years ago

Eddie Mathew’s was the only player to play for the Boston, Milwaukee and Atlanta Braves.

docgooden85Member since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony

Eddie Mathews is right behind Schmidt and Chipper for me as best all time 3B. Then probably Beltre unless I’m forgetting something.

MichaelMember since 2017
2 years ago

Regarding the Boston baseball teams there was a trivia question that tangentially involved them from years ago. What do Babe Ruth, Henry Aaron and Willie Mays have in common besides being the only players with 600 HR’s?
They all started and ended their careers in the same city but with different teams.
Red Sox-Braves
Braves-Brewers
Giants-Mets

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Excuse me, my brain just exploded. Gonna have to go get the mop.

BreadbakerMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Would you please add “in the 20th century” to the end of your question.

CC AFCMember since 2016
2 years ago

The thing with the NBA making it easier for teams to re-sign their own free agents is that it hasn’t really had the effect of keeping star players in one city. It’s just shifted player movement from happening in free agency to happening via trade. The NBA’s system was much more favorable to the current team re-signing a player than the suggestion here, but that’s what happened. And that’s what I’d expect in baseball if they got heavy handed with it too. Players are humans and don’t always want to stay in one place and you’ll never get them to do otherwise.

NeauxbrainersMember since 2016
2 years ago

If MLB truly wants to improve the possibility of players staying with their team as they mature to a dollar value beyond what the hometown can justify, why not consider that the league would pay a portion of the salary. The best players have a value to all the cities where they play. It’s worth considering. The NBA comes to mind, Michael Jordan’s belief that the whole NBA should contribute to his salary in later years.

maumanntsMember since 2022
2 years ago

Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna 1-for-1 vs. Alamo, 1-for-1 vs. Goliad, 0-for-1 vs. San Jacinto

si.or.noMember since 2017
2 years ago

Man, some of these HOF voters.

I mean, I guess Bill Ballou gets some credit for publishing his ballot? And I appreciate his simple Manny + ARod logic. But his curt dismissal of Beltre’s candidacy is embarrassing. And I’m guessing he’s Boston-based, but the amount of words spent on the lack of HOF candidates who spent time in Red Sox’ farm system is silly.

How about we vote in/out the HOF voters?

PhilMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  si.or.no

His logic of voting only for the elite of the elite… and deciding that David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez are this, and Beltre isn’t.
I guess he really likes big bats and he cannot lie.

But why isn’t he then voting for Gary Sheffield? 500HR, terrifying bat, terrifying defence… the only real difference is he didn’t play on Boston.

John ChurchMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Phil

I think Gary Sheffield should be inducted, but if you are only checking the box on Barry Bonds, Derek Jeter, Manny Ramirez, and Alex Rodriguez, then I don’t think Sheffield makes the cut. That’s a high bar.

In that case, Ortiz shouldn’t either, but, you know… Boston writer.

AlbyMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  Phil

I was particularly bothered by his spurious claim that the “elite of the elite … is what Cooperstown is supposed to be all about.” Says who? Nobody but this evidence-resistant clod. Nothing like ignorance paired with arrogance.

If this guy gets paid to write about baseball, I have to reevaluate its status as a thinking-person’s sport.

Greg SimonsMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Alby

Bill Ballou’s ballot is bizarrely bad.

Chip LockeMember since 2016
2 years ago

That Vinny Castilla fact is pretty bonkers

Raincheck
2 years ago

Or, put another way, vast majority, 65.7% of fans, will be as or more likely to root for the Dodgers next year.

Chip LockeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Raincheck

Yeah I think the real take away is that the negative reaction is not as strong as is being reported.

Chip LockeMember since 2016
2 years ago

I think the fall of the One-Team Player is an unfortunate but necessary part of player freedom. Trying to think up ways to make it easier for teams to keep players is moving backwards, and we should instead just let this desire go and appreciate the rare One-Teamers we have. It is not all that impossible for teams to keep their guys as it is, and at any time we have 5-10 good-to-great players who might do it – Votto, Kershaw, Judge, Altuve, J-Ram, Trout, Buxton, Nola… This is just off the top of my head and not counting young players on extensions like J-Rod, Carroll, etc. It’s just that the cheapest ones choose not to, and this whole exercise of thinking up other options is allowing them to keep doing so.

Chip LockeMember since 2016
2 years ago

Adding on to my previous comment, I don’t even think the One-Team Player was as prevalent as people remember nor do people really care as much as they think. Aaron, Mays, Ruth, Ortiz, Billy Williams, Frank Thomas, Trevor Hoffman…. The list goes on. None of these guy played for just one team, but we remember them well on just that team because their value was mostly derived there. The same will be for Kershaw or Votto if they do eke out one last year or two. If Votto takes 300 PA as a platoon-DH in Toronto this year, no one will ever talk about it except as some trivia.

To paraphrase my first girlfriend during our break up, we don’t love One-Team Players, we just love the idea of them.

advisor1
2 years ago

I like the idea of having the salary floor. If a team chooses to keep the payroll below floor, that amount is taxed as a CBP tax. That gives teams the choice to spend on players or spend on tax. Seems like a no-brainer!!

mvrd
2 years ago

Some teams put their $$ on the field, some teams put their $$ in the owner’s pocket. No MLB team legitimately loses money. If that were the case, why do billionaires trip over themselves to buy a team when one is available? Billionaires aren’t in the habit of losing money.

Last edited 2 years ago by mvrd