The 2015 American League Gold Gloves, by the Numbers

The Gold Glove Awards are getting better. They really are! Two years ago, when I did this post for the first time, the numbers and the MLB finalists agreed on 28 selections. Last year, it was 30. This year, it’s 32. Furthermore, there appear to be fewer notably egregious selections. There are still a couple here and there, and we’ll get to those, but the days of Rafael Palmeiro — or even Derek Jeter, for that matter — winning Gold Gloves are behind us. When MLB decided to begin folding advanced defensive metrics into the selection process, everything improved markedly.

For the thousandth time: no defensive metric is perfect. However, they’re the certainly better than fielding percentage, the eye test, and “who is the best hitter,” and they’re currently the best public way we have to evaluate defense, so they’re what we use. For a while, Gold Gloves were held to a high standard. It was an honor to win them. They meant something. Then, there was a stretch when the Gold Glove became a farce. People realized they weren’t being given to the best defenders — they weren’t being given to good defenders, even — and it was all a joke. Now, the Gold Gloves are earning their back their status, and that’s a good thing. The awards should matter. It’s nice to see the players who deserve to be recognized, recognized.

So let’s recognize. The way the finalists are determined now is part manager/coach vote, part metrics. But what if it was all metrics? Just the objective numbers, and no human bias. That’s what I aim to do here.

Regarding eligibility, I used the same qualification rules used by Rawlings for the official award. If you’d like, you can find those here. Once having my player pool, I pulled three advanced defensive metrics for consideration: Defensive Runs Saved, calculated by Baseball Info Solutions, Ultimate Zone Rating, calculated by Mitchel Lichtman and used as the in-house FanGraphs metric, and Fielding Runs Above Average, calculated by BaseballProspectus and used as their in-house defensive metric. I summed the three, then averaged them together to figure a “total” defensive runs saved number.

You already know this, but the numbers don’t always agree. Sometimes, people don’t like that, but it is what it is. That’s why it’s better to use them all. I’ll always be confident in the defender who’s rated as positive by all three, moreso than the guy rated positive by two and average or below average by another. By the same token, I’ll always be confident in the defender with one excellent grade and two average grades, moreso than the guy with three average grades, because the numbers see something excellent in the first guy that isn’t apparent in the other. That excellent grade isn’t coming from nowhere. The numbers are subject to noise, but they’re not liars.

For catchers, things are a bit trickier, so instead I’ve just broken it down to the three major components of catching: controlling the run game (rSB, from FanGraphs), framing (from BaseballProspectus) and blocking (also from BP). These numbers are all represented in run values above or below average, and summed to give us a total defensive runs saved figure for catchers. UZR doesn’t exist for pitchers, so only DRS and FRAA are used.

OK, these last three paragraphs have been horribly boring. Let’s get to the fun stuff.

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Pitcher – Dallas Keuchel

Player Inn. DRS FRAA tDEF
Dallas Keuchel 232 13 10 12
Wade Miley 193 5 1 3
Masahiro Tanaka 154 5 0 3

Since I mistakenly snubbed pitchers last year, we’ll start with them this time. Or you could view it as “getting them out of the way,” because pitcher defense is kind of boring. Except when Dallas Keuchel is doing it! Keuchel, over the last two years, has been worth 23 Defensive Runs Saved, more than 10 runs higher than the next pitcher, and nearly all of that comes from fielding his position, rather than controlling the run game. The number of weak ground balls in front of the mound generated by Keuchel gives him ample opportunities, and he routinely turns them into outs. Look at the way the follow-through in his delivery is already taking him towards this ball before it’s hit. He recognizes the ball off the bat so quickly, there’s actually a frame in this GIF where he’s got both feet off the ground, momentum already taking him towards the ball. Keuchel is excellent in many ways, this is one of them, and he should win his second consecutive Gold Glove, likely with many more to follow.

Iron Gloves: CC Sabathia (-5), Edinson Volquez (-5), Jeff Samardzija (-4).

Catcher – Russell Martin

Player Inn. rSB bpFRAME bpBLOCK tDEF
Russell Martin 994 4 13 1 18
Chris Iannetta 718 -1 15 1 15
Jason Castro 883 3 13 -2 14

The Blue Jays signed Russell Martin in the offseason to handle their pitching staff and serve as the elite defensive catcher that seemingly every good team in baseball is required to have. Given Martin’s reputation and track record, it’s no surprise that he did exactly that. Martin, of course, is an excellent framer/receiver/presenter/whatever we’ve decided to call it this week. Where he gains his edge, though, is in helping to control the running game. I do want to issue one correction, with regards to Martin’s blocking numbers. Last month, I published a post on Martin and R.A. Dickey, in which I noted that Martin’s blocking numbers, even after adjusting for the knuckleball, ranked near the bottom of the league. I’d had this confirmed by members of the BP staff prior to publication, however, after further review, the inquiry brought to their attention a glitch in their model that needed correcting. This has since been fixed, and Martin, it turns out, was actually at least an average blocker this season, if not above average. Put it all together, and you’ve got the complete package.

Iron Gloves: Kurt Suzuki (-7), James McCann (-7), Stephen Vogt (-4).

First Base – Albert Pujols

Player Inn. DRS UZR FRAA tDEF
Albert Pujols 804 4 3 4 4
Mike Napoli 899 -1 4 2 3
Mark Teixeira 913 3 0 3 3

Pujols was absent from the three finalists chosen by MLB, likely due to the amount of time he spent serving as Los Angeles’ designated hitter. His time at DH does not appear to be indicative of his defensive abilities, however. Rather, it was more likely a way for the Angels to keep the 35-year-old off his feet as often as possible, as he plays the fourth year of his 10-year contract. Pujols may have slowed considerably on the bases, but he can still pick it at first.

Pujols’ spot as a finalist was instead given to Eric Hosmer, who has won the last two Gold Gloves, though has typically graded as an average defensive first baseman. Teixeira or Napoli are probably better choices, but Hosmer does deserve credit for playing 500 innings more than any of our three finalists here, and the spread of the defensive impact at first base is slim enough to where it’s probably not worth quibbling over.

Iron Gloves: Logan Morrison (-4), Chris Carter (-3), James Loney (-3).

Second Base – Ian Kinsler

Player Inn. DRS UZR FRAA tDEF
Ian Kinsler 1324 19 6 0 9
Eric Sogard 775 5 1 6 4
Logan Forsythe 1073 8 1 -2 3

This was the position, across either league, with the most confusing finalists selected by MLB, in my opinion. They got Kinsler, who should be a lock for what would somehow be his first Gold Glove, but the inclusions of Jose Altuve and Brian Dozier are puzzling, to say the least. Dozier has never had a reputation as a strong defender and this year was no exception, as he finished sixth-to-last in a pool of 32 qualified second baseman with -4 runs saved in the total defensive metric used in this study. Altuve did appear to have improved his defense this year, but he improved it from “maybe worst in the league” to “about average.” Despite the advancements made toward considering pure defenders like Sogard for the Gold Glove, picks like Dozier and Altuve show that there’s still some work to be done to further remove ourselves from the popularity contests of year’s past.

Iron Gloves: Johnny Giavotella (-8), Robinson Cano (-7), Ben Zobrist (-6).

Third Base – Manny Machado

Player Inn. DRS UZR FRAA tDEF
Manny Machado 1367 14 8 20 14
Adrian Beltre 1237 18 12 -3 9
Josh Donaldson 1317 11 9 4 8

We’re currently in what seems like a golden era of defensive third baseman, and all three of these guys are certainly Gold Glove caliber. Donaldson won’t win, as his spot was given to Evan Longoria who was next in line with +6 runs saved, so regardless, we’ll have a deserving winner. The most deserving is probably Machado, who is unanimously seen as at least a one-win defender across the board and can make truly jaw-dropping throws like the one seen above. Machado should get this one, however, it’s probably close enough that if Beltre were to win his fifth career Gold Glove, you’d hear no qualms from me.

Iron Gloves: Pablo Sandoval (-12), Nick Castellanos (-6), Brett Lawrie (-4).

Shortstop – Didi Gregorius

Player Inn. DRS UZR FRAA tDEF
Didi Gregorius 1330 5 7 4 5
Alcides Escobar 1306 -1 7 5 4
Elvis Andrus 1404 -1 0 10 3

American League shortstop may be where this year’s biggest Gold Glove snub lies, but the snub wasn’t made by the selection committee. Instead, the snub was made by the rules for qualification. Cleveland’s Francisco Lindor, whose +8 tDEF grade would have made him the clear favorite, far surpassed the 690-inning minimum set by Rawlings to be eligible for the award. However, the qualifications also specify that a player must have met that inning requirement within his team’s first 137 games, and Lindor fell short of that requirement by 35 innings.

Had Lindor been called up four games sooner, he’d be the favorite to win his first of many Gold Gloves in the AL. Instead, our most deserving candidate becomes Gregorius, who lived up to his reputation as a plus defender in his first full season as an everyday shortstop. The ability to make a cross-body throw on the run with the sort of zip on it like the one shown above is decidedly remarkable.

Iron Gloves: Erick Aybar (-6), Asdrubal Cabrera (-6), Jose Reyes (-5).

Left Field – Yoenis Cespedes

Player Inn. DRS UZR FRAA tDEF
Yoenis Cespedes 1022 15 19 5 13
Eddie Rosario 742 10 7 -1 5
Alex Gordon 864 7 7 2 5

Cespedes’ gaffe in center field to kick off this year’s World Series may have painted a poor picture of his defensive abilities as an outfielder on the national stage, because you shouldn’t get it twisted: Cespedes holds his own out there. Maybe not in center field, where he’s assuredly out of position, but over the past three seasons in left field, only Gordon and Starling Marte have a higher DRS than Cespedes. Only Gordon leads him in UZR. Most of Cespedes’ value comes from his arm, but this year both measures agreed he had the best range of any left fielder in baseball. He’s always had the speed — you can see it in the GIF above — it was the routes that seemed to get him in trouble. Perhaps, now with another year of experience under his belt, Cespedes has improved his reads off the bat to the point where his speed actually leads to plus range, rather than offsetting one another. If this year’s range scores aren’t a fluke, then Cespedes becomes a perennial threat to Gordon’s throne as the best defensive left fielder in baseball. He should have it this year, at least.

sidenote: please just look at Hanley Ramirez and vow to never forget The Great Left Field Experience of 2015 before moving on

Iron Gloves: Hanley Ramirez (-16), Melky Cabrera (-5), Michael Brantley (0).

Center Field – Kevin Kiermaier

Player Inn. DRS UZR FRAA tDEF
Kevin Kiermaier 1174 42 30 25 32
Lorenzo Cain 1173 18 14 18 17
Kevin Pillar 1236 14 14 14 14

The numbers in this table are just hilarious compared to every other position. Pillar and Cain are truly spectacular in their own right and Cain was snubbed in favor of Mike Trout, but Kiermaier may have just had the best defensive season that we know of. Every metric agrees that Kiermaier was worth something like three wins with his glove alone, which is astounding. The Statcast numbers agree. There’s a lot to like about Kiermaier’s defensive game, but the thing that always strikes me is how quickly he accelerates to his top speed, as evidenced in the clip above, allowing him to get to balls that other outfielders wouldn’t have a chance at. Kiermaier is essentially the Andrelton Simmons of the outfield, a true generational defensive talent, and he should be winning Gold Gloves until the day he retires.

Iron Gloves: Adam Eaton (-7), Anthony Gose (-6), Delino Deshields Jr. (-5).

Right Field – Kole Calhoun

Player Inn. DRS UZR FRAA tDEF
Kole Calhoun 1383 6 14 10 10
George Springer 811 5 2 2 3
Alex Rios 914 -6 5 5 1

The defensive class in right field was particularly weak this year, but Calhoun stands out above the pack as a more-than-deserving candidate. Neither Springer or Rios were recognized, with the other two selections being given to perennial candidate Josh Reddick and J.D. Martinez, who seemed, by DRS and UZR, to have improved his defense drastically this year, though not if FRAA has anything to say about it. Calhoun should be the easy winner this year.

Iron Gloves: Carlos Beltran (-11), Avisail Garcia (-8), Jose Bautista (-6).

Stay tuned for the National League edition of this post, coming tomorrow.





August used to cover the Indians for MLB and ohio.com, but now he's here and thinks writing these in the third person is weird. So you can reach me on Twitter @AugustFG_ or e-mail at august.fagerstrom@fangraphs.com.

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Opie Curious
10 years ago

That Machado throw is the best I’ve seen all year. I’ve now watched that gif like forty times in a row. He doesn’t even see first base until he’s on the verge of releasing the ball, and yet there’s no hesitancy in his motion. Your average player sends that throw fifteen feet high and wide or else is three steps late. Just phenomenal.

tz
10 years ago
Reply to  Opie Curious

I go back and forth between that one and a play Simmons made on a Travis d’Arnaud grounder in the hole. Both guys throw laser beams with a super quick release and are right on target.

Like you said, worth rewatching.

BCHolm
10 years ago

Wow – – Cabrera, Eaton, Garcia – – White Sox outfield defense suuuuuuucked this year!

Yirmiyahu
10 years ago
Reply to  BCHolm

That combined -20 runs is nothing. Hanley Ramirez, all by his lonesome got -16 runs in just 92 games.

RIP Hanley Ramirez’s outfield glove. Never forget. †

Lenard
10 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

I feel as it’s almost legitimately possible that the Red Sox’ outfield defense would have been better with JBJ and Mookie playing left and right center field.

MikeS
10 years ago
Reply to  BCHolm

As a White Sox fan, I feel this does not do them justice. They were far worse. I don’t think any of this takes things like throwing to the wrong base or turning a single into a double by taking a bad route or a bad decision on a dive. That was a near daily occurrence in the White Sox outfield.

Also, the only reason their infielders got stiffed for Iron Gloves was probably a lack of regular playing time.

pr
10 years ago

August, how would Jackie Bradley compare to those other guys? no Iglesias at SS?

A cat
10 years ago

Rusney may be as good as JBJ in the corners.Betts the “worst” of the three, maybe average overall.

GoOppo
10 years ago
Reply to  A cat

Great work as always August. This comment made me wonder, if giving a FG award for “Best defensive OF” or infield, pitching staff, etc. at years end might be in the works. Bc the OF in Boston split so much time with each other and Brock Holt taking innings as well as the human lowlight film that was Hanley (When he did try he hurt himself I’ll give him credit for that), the obvious splitting of time with Rios\Dyson\Cain I realize it might be difficult. Still would be great to see.

Rauce
10 years ago

“For the thousandth time: no defensive metric is perfect. However, they’re the certainly better than fielding percentage, the eye test,…”

I’m not so sure that our scientific understanding of defense has surpassed scouting. Lucas Duda grades out as better or equal to Eric Hosmer. Any reasonable observer of both teams would say that does not reflect reality.

TerenceMember since 2016
10 years ago

The main problem with UZR of course it that it does not see every play. It closes its eyes, puts its fingers in its ears, and sings La La La, any time a shift is on. For a player like Altuve who has probably fielded more balls in the shift than any other player in baseball history, and has been doing so for his entire MLB career, we can’t act like these numbers genuinely reflect his true defensive value.

Slugerrr
10 years ago
Reply to  Terence

So, in a time where shifting occurs more than ever, don’t you think that basically makes ALL of these defensive metrics useless?

Yirmiyahu
10 years ago
Reply to  Terence

But, August, even if the coaches are (theoretically) telling the players precisely where to stand each pitch, the players can still make good or bad plays during a shift. A shifted player can miff a grounder, make a leaping catch, make an errant throw, etc. In this era, especially w/ a team like Houston, we’re ignoring a ton of data by ignoring shifts.

Not only that, the algorithms completely ignore positioning if there isn’t an extreme shift. Sometimes the 1B has to cover the bag. Sometimes the infield comes in to account for a potential play at the plate. Sometimes outfielders play deep (“no doubles”). So the stats can reward/punish a player for a positioning choice that he had no say in.

A proper defensive metric would measure the probability of an average player successfully making the play based on where the player was positioned. I’m sure we’ll have that sometime in the future. But, for now, it’s a stretch to say that the metrics “see every play.”

joser
10 years ago
Reply to  Terence

We’re worried about the big impact shifting has on the defensive reputation of FIRST basemen?

TerenceMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Terence

For those of us in the public, it’s hard to argue data because we don’t really have it or have access to it, but with a team like the Astros they’re shifting significantly more than 10% of the time and they’re saving significantly more than 10 runs a season and I don’t think it’s fair to give players a 0 for plays they’re making.

Anecdotally I’ve seen Altuve and Correa make numerous plus plays from shifted positions. Are they actually creating defensive value? I don’t know. But with as detailed and systematic the process is for recording and analyzing defensive data is at this point, I feel that we can do a lot better than just throwing our hands up in the air and giving everyone on the field a zero.

Rauce
10 years ago

I’m not referring to just the World Series and I was using DRS (Duda 9, Hoz 4) and UZR/150 (Duda 0, Hoz 0.4).
I agree that the metrics are not useless – they can definitively say that kiermeyer is considerably better than eaton. However I don’t trust them to tell me who is better between two candidates whose skills are not so obviously separated (but are still clearly in different, albeit closer, classes) such as hosmer and duda.

Math prof
10 years ago

It seems to me that all the excuse making for defensive metrics is the very antithesis of saber metrics.

tz
10 years ago

Kiermaier reminds of those dogs that win Frisbee-throwing championships. If you’ve ever seen them, it’s uncanny how quick they get to where the Frisbee is going, with no hesitiation.

Hurtlocker
10 years ago
Reply to  tz

I’ve got to watch more AL baseball, I’ve literally never heard of this guy.

joser
10 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlocker

I watch a lot of AL baseball, and I’ve barely heard of him. That’s what happens when you’re on a small market team that isn’t punching above its weight in a division with the two teams that suck up all the available media oxygen.

firecrotch
10 years ago
Reply to  joser

Betts plays in a bigger market and it seems like there’s a lot of people who don’t realize how good he it. (I’m a fan of the Chicago National League Ballclub)

GoOppo
10 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlocker

I don’t like the Rays, but KK is awesome. Speed, arm, routes, everything. jBJ is my favorite to watch but Keirmaier is like the human vacuum

CircleChange11
10 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlocker

I was thinking the same thing about Kole Calhoun … everything he does he seems to do with some style and abandon.

Stinky Pete
10 years ago

“The ability to make a cross-body throw on the run with the sort of zip on it like the one shown above is decidedly remarkable.”

Unimpressed. Every Yankee fan knows you’re supposed to jump to make that throw.

joser
10 years ago
Reply to  Stinky Pete

The important thing is to look pretty while doing it. And then send a gift basket afterwards.

Jacob
10 years ago

As an Indians fan, I realize Brantley isn’t a gold glover, but why does he continually rank at bottom of defensive metrics? From eye test he seems fairly average

troybrunoMember since 2016
10 years ago

I have never seen a post more thoroughly responded to:

1. hey, let me clarify your misunderstanding b/c we agree
2. here’s a holistic review
3. and-oh-by-the-way I wrote about this 12mos ago, here’s a link

I mean… FG4EVA!

Hurtlocker
10 years ago

Hanley and Pablo, that is really pretty sad for the left side of Boston’s defense.

Andy
10 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlocker

Albert and Kole, the Angels have the extreme right side covered.

joser
10 years ago

the qualifications also specify that a player must have met that inning requirement within his team’s first 137 games

Obviously it’s Rawlings’ award and they can put whatever restrictions on it they want, but what is the ostensible reason for this one?

Ruben Amaro Jr.
10 years ago
Reply to  joser

Because that’s when the season ends for regular players. The last 25 games are for playing the guys coming up from Lehigh Valley.

joser
10 years ago

The players coming up in September are not going to meet that inning requirement, and most of the best players are still playing, so I guess I still don’t understand the point.

Barney Coolio
10 years ago
Reply to  joser

Yeah, I know. I think it might have to do with voting. As in, the ballots are distributed in September, rather than after the season. Perhaps this is done so as not to burden the voters with a rather large “homework assignment” during the playoffs. Anyway, that is just my guess.

Damaso
10 years ago

So does it say something bad about the stats, or about Yost, that Rios kept getting pinch-fielded for?

tz
10 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

It probably says more about having a 4th OF who’s been +43 on both DRS and UZR over about 2 season’s worth of playing time (to say nothing of his +28 runs baserunning in that same time).

It should have been a Dyson/Rios platoon all along, IMHO.

KCExile
10 years ago
Reply to  tz

Rios didn’t pass the eye test that’s for damn sure. Orlando/Dyson both had superior range and Dyson’s arm is far superior to Rios’ at this point. It just always seemed like we were waiting for the other shoe to drop with Rios. I could never tell all year if Rios looked bad next to Gordon, Cain and Dyson or if he was objectively bad. I guess it was mostly by comparison as it seems he held his own.

Jetsy Extrano
10 years ago

It strikes me as weird that the best shortstops, in well over 1000 innings, are worth just +3 to +5 runs. Are there no bad ones in the pool to create a spread around average?

Anon21
10 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

Andrelton Simmons reached across the league boundary and nabbed all their runs saved. He is hoarding all the shortstop defense for himself.

radivel
10 years ago

What about Tulo?

Adam
10 years ago
Reply to  radivel

Tulo had 5 DRS, 3.9 UZR, and FRAA split between teams with 4.2 with the Jays and -2.2 for the Rockies. My assumption is that you’d weight FRAA by games played giving him he about a FRAA 0, and giving him ~3 tDEF.

It was however a big change to the observer from the Iron Glove contender -5 Reyes.

Sonny Gray
10 years ago

My favorite pitcher to watch field his position is Sonny Gray. He is ridiculously athletic.

Bill Plaschke
10 years ago

Kiermaier is a terrible hitter. That procludes him from winning defensive awards.

Brad
10 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaschke

If by terrible you mean 106 wRC+ (6% above average) over his 900 PA at the major league level, then sure.

cktai
10 years ago
Reply to  Bill Plaschke

Yes, we are very lucky Simmons is a hitting god or he would have no gold gloves.

cktai
10 years ago
Reply to  cktai

I stand corrected. Simmons is a terrible hitter. That procludes him from winning defensive awards.

Carlos Baerga
10 years ago

An article like this with 2015 Inside Edge Fielding data would be incredible.

Andy
10 years ago

Correlations of defensive metrics between sites (2014 data):

FG vs. BBRef: 0.68
FG vs. BBPro: 0.35
BBRef vs. BBPro: 0.45

These correlations only used the top 20 FG defenders vs. their ratings on BBRef, and only the top 15 at either of those sites vs. BBPro, because going further down the list, one runs into negative values, which of course greatly complicates determining correlations.

Generally speaking, the correlations are best for the elite defenders; they’re recognized as great or very good at all three sites. As one passes to the somewhat lesser defenders, large differences at the site start to crop up. This frequently isn’t a problem for overall WAR calculations, because the difference between a good and average, or average and poor, defender is not that many runs in an absolute sense.

But occasionally there are much larger differences. The most problematic one IMO is with Trout vs. Donaldson, which obviously is very relevant to the MVP award this year. FG and BBref give Donaldson an edge in defense (their positional runs are about the same for their two positions), while BBPro rates Trout higher. As a result, while Trout finished with roughly 0.5 WAR more than Donaldson at FG and BBRef, he is almost 2.5 WAR ahead at BBPro. A difference of < 1.0 WAR is generally considered not significant in considering a player's value, but 2.5 WAR obviously is.

kamikaze80
10 years ago

They should just have 3 OF Gold Gloves, as most years, it would probably be three CFs getting the awards. Kiermaier, Cain and Pillar as the 3 AL Gold Glove OFs sounds about right to me.

KCFan
10 years ago
Reply to  kamikaze80

…and Cain did not even make the 3 finalists for CF… How can this be?!?! BUT…we did get one Trophy that matters!!

matt w
10 years ago
Reply to  kamikaze80

I disagree with this–why have 3 OF Gold Gloves and not 4 IF Gold Gloves, which would mostly go to shortstops and third basemen whose names end in -ado? The second-best defensive CF could usually shift over to RF and be the best defensive RF, but the second-best defensive SS could shift to 2B and be the best there.

thn
10 years ago

The Teixeira tDef should be 2 instead of 3: (3 + 0 + 3)/3 == 2

Alex ChamberlainFanGraphs Staff
10 years ago

Kiermaier in center is borderline porn

radivel
10 years ago

Kiermaier is the black hole where baseballs go to die. We Jays fans all love Kevin Pillar highlights, but we’re never going to kid ourselves, Kiermaier has the sort of talent that shouldn’t exist.

DNA+
10 years ago

“But what if it was all metrics? Just the objective numbers, and no human bias. That’s what I aim to do here.”

Such numbers do not exist. The numbers come from the subjective evaluations of human scorers.

Ranking players on metrics where the majority of the variance in the metric is error is just silliness. We know that most of the variance is error because the three measurements use the same data and only weakly agree with each. The correlations between the various measures of supposedly the exact same thing is about 0.4. If the remainder of that variation is error (not unreasonable since the input data is identical), then 60% of the variation in these numbers is error. If so, these numbers are worse than useless because they are entirely misleading for comparing between players.

Also, the argument that you can be more confident when the three measures agree with each other is absolutely false. You have three measurements, each with massive measurement error. If that measurement error is normally distributed around the true value that we are trying to measure, then the measurements are equally likely to be over measurements as they are under-measurements. You are expected to get three over-measurements or three under-measurements 2(.5^3) = 25% of the time just by chance.

Who_Is_Zorbist
10 years ago
Reply to  DNA+

Defense is essentially time and distance. Why do you say humans have anything to do with determining it? You give me an exit angle, and exit velocity, and I can tell you where it will land. You give me the distance covered by a player, in a certain amount of time, and I can tell you how many other players get to that ball. You give me time remaining til a player touches first, and with accurate data, I can tell you who can make the throw to get him out, when the ball is rolled to SS.

I fail to see how fielding metrics, done properly, aren’t excluding human “eye tests”.

mattbrown006
10 years ago

AL 2nd Base: When the GG finalists came out, the first thing I did was go to the FG leaderboards, filter for AL and 2B, and sort by defensive value. I didn’t think Altuve made sense, but there he was… 2nd… right behind Kinsler, and just ahead of Kipnis and Dozier. Seems odd that this FG article would question Altuve and Dozier when the FG metrics put them at 2nd and 4th in the league (among full-time players).

Randy
10 years ago

Sorry, but when statistics don’t show Salvy as a Gold Glover, then you’re using the wrong metrics. Besides, metrics don’t reflect player judgment, such as when a catcher lets a ball go by him because no one is on base and it’s the 5th inning of a day/night doubleheader when conserving energy makes sense, or when an outfielder plays a ball on a hop instead of going for ESPN’s top ten because it’s better for the team, or when a player’s range increases both his chances and his error rate because his speed got him far enough to touch ball and glove. Metrics measure mechanics at the expense of such things as judgment, situation wisdom and field/walls/foul ground obstacles (like warmup mounds and benches along the sidelines). It’s fun to use metrics as a minor component, but until the game is played by robots instead Of humans, even the eye test of players, managers and coaches is superior in assessing quality and awards.

Who_Is_Zorbist
10 years ago
Reply to  Randy

Randy? Randy Reynolds? I watch your brother Harold on TV all the time.

“metrics don’t reflect player judgment, such as when a catcher lets a ball go by him because no one is on base ”

Correct. Nor should they.

“or when an outfielder plays a ball on a hop instead of going for ESPN’s top ten because it’s better for the team”

It’s never better to not make a catch, than make a catch.

“or when a player’s range increases both his chances and his error rate because his speed got him far enough to touch ball and glove.”

You pretty much defined why metrics are better than the eye test, without knowing it. See Kiermaier up there? No other player in baseball gets to that ball. Metrics prove it. That Kiermaier catch is one of those situations you touched on, where it’s better to catch the ball, than not catch the ball.

“Metrics measure mechanics at the expense of such things as judgment, situation wisdom and field/walls/foul ground obstacles (like warmup mounds and benches along the sidelines).”

Judgement? Like whether to catch the ball or not? If you mean throwing to the wrong base, metrics account for that. It’s not making an out, when an out is possible. Metrics are good for that. Our memory of a game we never watched between the Rays and Twins, played in April, which is bad at accounting for these types of things. I don’t know what “situation wisdom” is. Metics account for balls that are playable. Red Sox outfielders aren’t penalized for not catching a ball 12 rows deep in foul territory, if that’s what you are saying.

Michael
10 years ago

He wasn’t eligible, but while you consider “The Great Left Field Experience of 2015”, consider what sort of Iron Glove Chris Collabello would wear in LF. He had 33 games in LF for 257 innings, another 108 in RF for 365 OF innings. There’s no doubt in a per inning basis he makes Hanley look good at fielding, and in the limited innings might still challenge him for negative fielding value.

Hucked on Fhoniks, U.S.Aint
10 years ago

I’ll believe your nonsense about Pillar losing out on the day you realise (correct spelling) that “metric” is not a noun, but is instead an adjective that describes a system of measurement based on the metre (correct spelling) and that “metrics” is not a word.