The AL Is Stomping the NL Again

I read a FiveThirtyEight article not too long ago from Michael Salfino, and it had the following headline:

Who Needs A DH? The NL Is Outhitting The AL, Somehow

Now, I’d never actually thought before to just look at league-by-league OPS. And, since that article was published, the point around which it was built has become untrue. Nevertheless, by OPS, the leagues are close. Courtesy of Baseball Reference, here’s how the leagues have compared over more than the past century:

I know that’s a little hectic, but right now, the AL has an OPS just four points higher than the NL OPS. Since 2000, on average, the AL has had the higher OPS by 14 points. Hey, it’s something. And it’s enough to make you wonder, is the NL finally closing the gap? Has the National League basically caught up to the American League, in talent and performance? There’s really only one good way for us to easily investigate, and it’s a little early to be conclusive. We’re barely a third of the way into the season and into interleague play. But based on the evidence to this point in 2017 — well, you saw the headline. The NL has gotten stomped. Surprise!

Every year, there are 300 interleague contests. At this writing, there have been 103 this season, and the AL has won 61 of those. That’s good for a .592 winning percentage — essentially the Yankees’ winning percentage — and here’s how things have gone since the concept was put into action roughly a couple decades ago:

The same fact remains the same fact. The last time the NL won the majority of the interleague games was in 2003. This would stand as the 14th consecutive year of AL supremacy, and although that winning percentage is obviously far from locked in, it would be the second-highest winning percentage we’ve observed. Back in 2006, the AL won 61% of the time. In 2008, the AL won 59% of the time. That’s happened again, as the AL has refused to allow the gap to shrink to nothing.

There are levels to be analyzed, of course. Always the usual levels. Has the AL just outplayed its own performance, or something? Here’s a similar plot, only this time showing Pythagorean winning percentage, which is based on run differential instead of, you know, wins:

That’s a little less noisy, but then, that’s what you’d expect. This year, the AL is still up at .565. That would be the sixth-highest AL Pythagorean winning percentage. And the last time the AL was outscored was in, well, 2003. This is the evidence to point to when people suggest that the NL suffers from some systemic interleague disadvantage. There was no meaningful, observable disadvantage over the first seven years. A gap has just developed, and the NL hasn’t been able to close it.

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There’s one more area to look at, and it’s actually my favorite area to examine, with just a third of the games or so in the bank. Wins and losses can be noisy, but runs scored and allowed can also be noisy. This, therefore, is a simple plot of OPS differential, or NL OPS subtracted from AL OPS. This would closely mirror BaseRuns performance, and any positive result shows an AL advantage. To the data!

Right. The last time the NL had the higher OPS in interleague play was in 2002. That particular advantage was all of two points, or, if you prefer, two-thousandths of one point. Last year, the NL closed to within 12 points, but the gap has since widened to 52. If finalized, that would stand as the AL’s fifth-largest advantage in the 21 seasons, although as recently as 2015, it was a pinch higher. The point simply being: The AL is still better. If you believe, that is, the results of the games played between teams in each league.

One note about that. By the end of the season, everything should be more or less equivalent. Now, though, not all teams have played the same number of interleague games. Here is the landscape of AL participation:

Meanwhile, here’s the NL picture:

Something probably stands out there. The Dodgers are the only team that has yet to participate in interleague play. And the Dodgers are good! Their so far being absent would stand to make the NL look worse than it is. But that’s making too much of the influence of one ballclub. After running the math, the AL teams have averaged a weighted .497 winning percentage against other AL opponents. The NL teams have averaged a weighted .501 winning percentage against other NL opponents. The scales, then, haven’t overall been tipped. Each league has faced roughly equivalent strengths, Dodgers be damned, and the NL has lost a whole bunch.

This isn’t anything shocking. This probably doesn’t even count as anything interesting, not now, not after so many years of writing the same articles. I think we all assumed the AL would remain the superior league, for many of the same reasons as always. How to explain how the NL is close to the AL in overall league OPS? That’s probably as simple as asserting that the pitching in the NL is weak. So it inflates the hitting numbers, which subsequently suffer when they face tough interleague opponents. Pitching might be the NL’s greater weakness, and it’s not a coincidence the NL is where the majority of the rebuilding ballclubs are found. Eventually, the NL will be better. They’ll have an advantage in talent, if not in resources.

They just haven’t had that advantage for a while. And it sure doesn’t seem like they have that advantage in 2017. There’s plenty of interleague baseball still to go. There are plenty of interleague baseball updates still to be written. If I had to guess, you probably won’t need to read them, because you’ll probably be able to guess what they say.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Yirmiyahu
9 years ago

I wonder what the breakdown for home winning% is for interleague games. The explanation we usually hear is that NL teams are not built with a DH in mind, so they start a bench-caliber player when playing under AL rules. But is the AL’s advantage in interleague play solely due to a high home winning%? Or do they outperform typical road teams in NL parks as well?

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

Every year its the same article and every year the same question is raised and goes unaddressed.

Runaway ToasterMember since 2016
9 years ago

From 2005-2016, the AL won 50.2% of interleague games in NL parks. So about even, but you have to consider that home teams in non-interleague games win about 53-55% of games. The NL is doing worse than expected, even in home games.

So far in 2017, the NL is 25-29 at home in Interleague play.

(interesting side note – League-wide home win% is surprisingly stable year-to-year, but has slipped slightly since around 2010)

I hate this discussion because it can be upsetting to fans of NL teams. Overall Interleague record doesn’t mean your favorite NL team is bad, or is a paper-champion, or anything like that. I like to think of it as someone saying something like “third basemen really suck this year, especially compared to left fielders” – even if my favorite player is a third baseman, that statement doesn’t mean *my* third baseman is bad or worse than all/most/some/any LF.

TKDCMember since 2016
9 years ago

I wholeheartedly don’t understand being a “fan” of a league. Is it just so you have the laziest way possible to pick a side in the World Series if your team doesn’t make it?

DayNife
9 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

It’s exactly as arbitrary as deciding to be a fan of a team.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

It just makes your team seem less legitimate if it ends up being the champion of the “inferior” league.

Troy
9 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

I had looked into that several years ago. I don’t have the numbers anymore, but what I found was that the AL had winning records playing in NL parks suggesting talent gap had more to do with the AL’s dominance rather than a DH advantage.

AaronC
9 years ago
Reply to  Troy

One could also suspect that AL clubs play their DH in the field in NL parks (1B/corner OF usually), dropping one of their lesser hitters.

Basically, the NL has 8 regular hitters to fill 8 or 9 spots, while AL clubs have 9 regular hitters to fill 8 or 9 spots. The NL is at a predictable disadvantage when they need 9 hitters, but also at a disadvantage because AL teams have a spare in NL parks.

The sample size is probably way too small to say anything definitive, but if this were true, you’d expect AL teams to have worse defense in NL parks.

jianadaren
9 years ago
Reply to  AaronC

The NL certainly isn’t at a disadvantage in NL parks: they need 8 starters and they invest handsomely in 8 starters (plus depth).

The AL’s “spare” is a DH which takes away resources from every other part of the roster.

The AL’s advantage, as it has always been, is that it simply has higher average payrolls (e.g. from 2006-10, it was nearly $13M higher, on average)

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/designated-hitters-and-the-economics-of-baseball/

johansantana17Member since 2026
9 years ago
Reply to  jianadaren

The AL has the Red Sox and Yankees. The NL doesn’t. That explains most of it.

mikejuntMember
9 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

There’s a missing element in this discussion and that is that in a given year, each division only plays one other division. This year’s matchups are:

NL East vs AL West
NL Central vs AL East
NL West vs AL Central

Not only have the Dodgers played no interleague games, few NL west teams have played their divisional matchups, as opposed to their regional rival matchup.

The AL West vs NL East matchup has been most played thusfar. This matchup favors the AL, as there is a good team (hou) and two decent teams opposed by 1 good team and 3 of the 4 worst teams in the NL plus the Mets.

AL East vs NL Central should favor the AL. The ALE is the strongest division in baseball and the NLC is mediocre.

The NLW has 3 strong teams and the ALC has probably one. I’d expect the NLW to win more than 50% of its games vs the White Sox, Tigers, Royals, Twins and Indians. Even the giants should do well vs the bottom of that barrel as CHW, Detroit and KC are poor teams.

I suspect it will end a lot closer than it is now, even if it doesn’t end even. The games most favorable to the NL haven’t been played at all yet.

It’s not just that the Dodgers are a team that we think should win 60% of their games and they haven’t played and by. Their opponents quality will be so low they should probably win 2/3 or more of their interleague slate of 4 LAA sans Trout, 3 Cle next week, 3 KCR before the all star break, 3 Det post-trade deadline, 4 cws and 3 min.

And this is also true if less dramatically for Col and Ari.

TKDCMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

The Marlins are better than the Padres and Reds, at least.

benbenson
9 years ago

“There was no meaningful, observable disadvantage over the first seven years.”
Wait, is this argument saying that because the NL won over half the games for some of the years consecutively, there’s no disadvantage to the NL in interleague play? I don’t follow that logic.

Joe Joe
9 years ago

Looks like AL East is stumping the NL Central. I would assume AL East has some great interleague records and may account for a significant part of the AL advantage through the years. AL West is stumping NL East. Astros stomping everyone except Indians and Royals. Rest of division looking great in interleague play and looking close to average when not playing Astros. Nationals are only team doing well in the NL East, though. NL West is stumping the AL Central.

Momus
9 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

Yeah, the AL East has so far run up a 32-16 record against the NL Central, good for a .667 winning percentage and that’s probably skewing the results since they’ve also played a lot of games relative to the other divisions.

silvashoots
9 years ago

Alternative title: Miami getting stomped, Dodgers waiting impatiently for meatball interleague schedule

baubo
9 years ago
Reply to  silvashoots

Except in the article it stated that in aggregate AL teams and NL teams are currently basically .500 against teams in the same league. As well as the fact that this has gone on for over a decade.

In the end there’s no reason to think AL dominating the interleagues to be a fluke or a sample size bias. Or that the close gap in OPS is somehow indicative of any particular trend between the two leagues.

Da Bum
9 years ago

It makes you wonder why this is. Why has the AL won so consistently for so long? It seems odd but it’s actually not.

In the NBA the West had been far superior to the East ever since Jordan retired from the Bulls. In the NFL the NFC won the Super bowl for nearly 20 years straight in the 80s and 90s.

An argument can be made that in sports the rich get richer and it’s very hard to climb up and sustain. This is due to fan support, free agent attraction and a bunch of other smaller things. It would seem normal then that eventually one league gets the upper hand and can keep it because it’d take multiple teams in the opposite conference/league to climb up and sustain at the same time.

By sustain I mean not building a bubble of talent that gets you that small window to contend but after a 2-3 year time period you have to rebuild due to aging or young players getting expensive.

JimmieFoXX
9 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

“in sports the rich get richer”

Fred Wilpon has been stuffing at least $150 million per year in after tax thievery from the Mets fan base into his bank account for many years.

The Phillies owners are buying mansions with their TV revenues that should have been spent on signing talents like Yoan Moncada.

Jeffrey Loria gets around $60 million a year in revenue sharing that goes right into his bank account.

Greg B. Maffei, an owner of the Atlanta Braves took home $391 million as an executive of Liberty media in 2012. How many years does it take the Atlanta Braves to spend $391 million on baseball talent?

Look at the A.L. East and then look at the N.L. Least.

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

“The rich get rich sport”

Fred Vilpon charge at least $150 million a year after escaping from the tax base of the Mets their account for many years.

Owner of Philadelphia bought with their television income do not need to spend on signing talent as Ioan Moncada.

Jeffrey Loria has about $60 million a year in the Division of revenues that go directly into your bank account.

Greg b. Maltese, owner of the Atlanta Braves home 391 million press freedom in directing in 2012. As long as it took the Atlanta Braves spent $391 million on a baseball team?

See al’s then at least n. ..

Ruben Amaro Jr.
9 years ago
Reply to  JimmieFoXX

The NL East. Where every team found a way to justify having Bruce Chen on their roster at some point.

(And I had absolutely nothing to do with the Phil’s doing this)

The Ghost of Stephen Drews BatMember since 2026
9 years ago

“This probably doesn’t even count as anything interesting, not now, not after so many years of writing the same articles.”

Jeff is definitely not going through a mid-life crisis right now. Definitely not.

caponehollywood
9 years ago

Assuming the DH issue doesn’t cloud things too much, doesn’t this put AL teams at a huge disadvantage for home field advantage in the World Series?

I don’t understand why baseball did away with the All-Star game being the deciding factor, it was a fun somewhat neutral way of deciding home field advantage. Now, a worse NL team with a better record because of the weaker league might benefit from the new rule.

RMD4
9 years ago

I think we’ll see the DH incorporated into the NL within 10 – it’s just a next step on what’s already been occurring. It’s just overdue. Right now it gives the AL a competitive advantage. The DH makes the offense better obviously but it also makes the defense and thus ERA better as well.

This means Matt Kemp wouldn’t be playing out of position by playing any position at all. Ditto Schwarber. And Zimmermann. Just as important, it allows team flexibility when obtaining players because if you want to have a crowded outfield as an NL team with lots of depth – you’re wasting resources because only 3 of them can play. The Dodgers would’ve won more games over the past several years if they could’ve actually played everyone on their roster (crazy notion, right?). The strategy component of the pinch hitting for the pitcher is intriguing but it’s so obvious the advantages outweigh the disadvantages – a more equal talent distribution between the two leagues and higher player salaries because but he time many players finally hit free agency they know they’re gonna have to DH during that contract and AL teams are the only ones bidding…

sturockMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  RMD4

RMD4 gets it right. The DH has made the AL stronger, especially since teams have evolved away from the full-time DH. Simply put, more guys get to play on an AL roster.

snapperMember since 2019
9 years ago
Reply to  sturock

There’s no reason the DH should make the AL teams systematically stronger. If an AL and an NL team both have the same budget and the same ability to evaluate players, the fact that the AL team has to pay a starting player salary for a DH means the NL team should be slightly better at every other position.

PC1970Member since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  RMD4

Good post. I was getting ready to type that it should be pretty easy to see which effect is greater- The difference between AL pitchers & NL pitcher in interleague games in NL parks OR the difference between AL DH’s & NL DH’s in interleague games in AL parks.

But, as you state, it’s not that simple. The DH changes a lot of what teams can do in roster construction, flexibility, hiding poor defensive players, etc. I think you could also add rest as a component. Detroit knows that instead of giving Cabrera or J.D Martinez a day off, they can still get the bat in the lineup at DH. Maybe not the same as full day off, but, used judiciously over the course of 162 games it gives them either more AB’s or just less wear & tear than playing in the field every game.

Choos on first
9 years ago

The problem is the pitcher. Just looking at this year’s numbers, MLB’s OPS, excluding pitchers, is .752, but the NL has been posting a .760 OPS when the pitchers are excluded. The number drops to .737 when you factor the pitchers back in. The AL meanwhile is at .744 with no pitchers, and only a .743 OPS with them.

It doesn’t take much of a stretch to assume that the benches are roughly similar quality between the two leagues. Giving the AL a DH on their bench during interleague play means that they have a distinct advantage when pinch hitting over an NL team, and let’s not forget that in an AL park, the NL teams have to rely on bench pieces who don’t play every day to fill in at DH, so you’re often looking at a fourth OF, or a utility IF rather than a bat first player.

It really doesn’t seem to be too much of an issue of talent levels as it is that you have guys who may end up with between 60-90 AB’s, and were not picked for their ability to perform at the plate rotating through every five days and laying down sac bunts to advance the runners.

Youppi!
9 years ago
Reply to  Choos on first

was wondering about the obvious question: are pitcher ABs included?

dustin0224
9 years ago

Totally off topic but since it’s your most recent article figured I’d post the comment here. Jeff, is there any chance you will do an Instagraphs post of Lester finally picking someone off? I really enjoyed your article about the yips from last year and even though it is a seemingly simple and insignificant event you have a rare ability to produce great work on singular events like this.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
9 years ago

And yet WAR is being evenly split between the leagues… More WAR should be going to AL teams than NL teams.

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago

Is there a Statcast differential between leagues? Does the AL hit the ball better, or does the NL field worse in some way?

Joe DonMember since 2023
9 years ago

Yesterday’s Dave Cameron contained this snide-sounding comment: “The AL is the land of mediocrity …”

If that is true, what does that make the NL the land of?